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October 27th, 2007 at 11:58:54  From: manic depressive
"At the time, the DEA special agent in charge of the Rocky Mountain Field Division said federal agents were “protecting people from their own state laws” by seizing such shipments." ----- Just what we need, Freaking cops protecting us from our own laws passed by the citizens themselves. This bastard should be kicked squarely in the balls, if one can FIND them. A BIG FUCK YOU to the DEA, and all their goddamned minions. Is THIS how a compassionate, justice seeking society treats it's weakest, most ill citizens? So, BBShithead, are you going to tell us all how she had "personal problems" and didn't NEED the drug? It's just a crutch? And funny how your BB stands for beer bellied, but you don't need a crutch, yourself? Hypocrite bastard. You have to drink alot of beer to get that gut. I drank A LOT of beer for years and never got one. Fucking hypocrite. RIP Robin, you are no doubt in a kinder place than the hell hole you left. I wish it hadn't come to this, but the goddamned feds seem to think that they are far kinder by forcing you into an unliveable situation than tojust leave you alone. Fucking PIGS! May they ALL end up in a situation just like yours, and be forced into the same thing you were. May they all rot in hell. And I'll bet they all drink like fish, too. Fucking bastards!
October 27th, 2007 at 12:02:31  From: al
Many people are forced to surender to unbreable pain
The sad part is that the opium flower grows as easily as the weed hemp. It is a powerful suppressant of pain. Morphine and heroin and codeine all are derivatives of opium. The laws in this country force people to f=get their pain meds from the big drug companies at costs well beyond their means. Again, it is about control and profits. If you cannot be squeezed for more money they will let you die from the pain and suffering and quickly pick over anything you left behind.
October 27th, 2007 at 12:05:17  From: Thomas Van Orden
I'm against legalization of marijuana but I certainly support a state's right to provide an exception for medical prescriptions.
October 27th, 2007 at 12:13:07  From: Toon
My heart goes out to the family. I've been there, and know how it hurts.
October 27th, 2007 at 12:17:02  From: Elsa
pain relief
The goverment also think they have the right to decide how much pain medication a doctor can perscrib to patients with chronic pain. Most of these laws are put in place by radical conservative who don't like safety and labor and other laws that protect the health of employees, individuals and the environment and but think nothing of interfering with the treatment of the diseases and injuries that result in a life time of pain. Oh, and how about vetos for health insurance for poor children. And all this in the name of their god. They are real sickos.
October 27th, 2007 at 12:26:13  From: manic depressive
And if any of us were to go around interfering with a doctor's orders or tried to tell others to even take an aspirin, we can be charged with "practicing medicine without a license". Why is it that Congress can do it with impunity? I think charges are required.
October 27th, 2007 at 13:02:27  From: just say no
don't you fools realize we are in a WAR against drugs! she is one of the bad guys and she got what she dserves! I'm glad to see our brave men going after these homegrown terrorists! either your with us or your against us!
October 27th, 2007 at 13:25:03  From: kikz
behold...
the binary mentality, in all it's glory. @just say no... does your mental derangement include xtianazi religious dogma as well? if so, i pray the godz grant your rapture without delay.
October 27th, 2007 at 13:36:17  From: BB Sharecropper
BTW, suicide is a side effect of smoking dope, maniac depressant, pay attention....
October 27th, 2007 at 13:39:34  From: BB Sharecropper
You seem irritable and agitated, a sure sign you did not get your daily toke of dope, this is what it is like for you without your artifical personality.Did your stash run out today, was it intercepted by the law?? I sure hope so, for your own good, you need to be protected from yourself.
October 27th, 2007 at 14:10:20  From: Proud American Liberal
Just say no to just say no
"At the time, the DEA special agent in charge of the Rocky Mountain Field Division said federal agents were “protecting people from their own state laws” by seizing such shipments." Excuse me? Protect us FROM OUR OWN LAWS? How much more proof do you need that we are now living in a fascist police state.
October 27th, 2007 at 14:25:22  From: Dan
Liberty is a joke
This is explicitly for BB Sharecropper. Your ignorance of freedom is astounding. And you have the temerity to lash out at others? What on earth makes it anyone else's business what they do in their own lives. Get the FUCK out of other's lives NOW asshole. You and others like you will be the downfall of this nation, and the dreams and lives of hundreds of millions the world over. You are SO IGNORANT that you can't even see the evil you perpetrate. You represent everything that is WRONG with America. I abhor everything you stand for. Read the fucking constitution asshole. And stay the hell out of my life. Ignorant, heartless prick.
October 27th, 2007 at 14:40:23  From: Cobra Commander
BB Sharecropper: If as you say "BTW, suicide is a side effect of smoking dope," then I and my friends would have been dead years ago. In my childhood, I was pumped full of every drug known to man, legally. You name it, I took it, paxil, ritalin, prozac, wellbutrin, adderral etc. etc. (many of these have opposite effects and treat completely separate illnesses.) When I was 18 I gave my therapist the finger and walked out. It took years to get past that hell (what 9 year old contemplates suicide?!) I'm better now, in no small part due to... marijuana. Thats right mo'fo, I use marijuana to fight depression and if you did ten fucking seconds of research, you would know a: I'm not the first, and b: studies have show that it works better than many prescription drugs for many medical ailments including depression. Your opinion of marijuana was invented inside a big pharma think-tank. Grow the fuck up and learn to ask a few questions now and again. Also, my heart and those of the rest of my friends go out to the family of Robin Prosser.
October 27th, 2007 at 15:15:38  From: Former Republican
To: BBSharecropper
It is not only medical marijauna that the preceeding four or five Administrations have fought to abolish. They have fought hard to abolish ANY hemp products, rope, fabric, etc. Anyone that stands behind a decision to subject an individual to chronic pain and endless torment by prohibiting something that harms no one and eases their pain is quite simply an unsufferable Asshole! The U.K. recently decriminalized marijuana and low and behold, use of same decreased across the board. There is only ONE reason for this administration to succeed in outlawing all hemp products. Once it becomes illegal to possess hemp we are in Deep Kimchee. The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are BOTH written on hemp.
October 27th, 2007 at 15:18:18  From: Bobo the Clown
It's no use
All of the logic you put forth to BB Shitcrapper does no good. The guy has a brick where his brain ought to be. Or silly putty. He's probably paid by the GOP to come up here & stir up trouble.
October 27th, 2007 at 16:01:23  From: dumb ass trailer trash
whut?
all yew nasty librul pot smokin hippies are runing the world cause your dope feends. yew shud all just chug down a case of Miller Lite ever day like whut I do and be a real american not a stupid brain fryed stoner. Yall is a bunch of reefer crazies.
October 27th, 2007 at 16:10:31  From: Raven
The irony is Dupont and various pharmaceutical companies supported outlawing marijuana with the help of newspaper family Hearst (http://tinyurl.com/6sh6f) in the early 20th century. Fast forward to the late 20th and 21st century, and we have the same interests profiting from keeping marijuana illegal - including pharma making billions of dollars on their dangerous drugs with the help of the FDA and DEA. Just legalize marijuana, otherwise people will desire what is illegal and exotic.
October 27th, 2007 at 16:25:51  From: 
Did he shoot himself in the back of the head 5 times and then jump in the pool and drowned? Seems like those kinds of suicides have skyrocketed under the Bush years
October 27th, 2007 at 16:48:18  From: Loonie
Tragic and disgusting. How much more damage will the stupidity of prohibition be allowed to wreak? BB Sharecropper, I hope one day you manage to locate even a microscopic trace of humanity.
October 27th, 2007 at 16:58:35  From: manic depressive
Loonie
It won't happen. Beer Bellied shithead thinks that everyone should be raging alcoholics like he is. He also can't read an article either at all or well enough to understand that it was her condition and the DEA that drove her to suicide, not her cannabis use. He no doubt gets paid to come here and be an asshole. There isn't and won't ever be anything but love of money and booze in his soul. I would suggest that everyone write to their congresscritters and senators and ask them why, since cannabis has been used medicinally for over 4500 years without a single death it is not allowed in the US. Also ask them why the AMA was one of the only groups to testify in congress in 1937 AGAINST it's prohibition. And ask them why the feds prosecuted over 10,000 DOCTORS for the first three years of that prohibition. Ask them if they even understand how much damage the law is doing to sick and injured people. A law should never make a situation worse, and that is all this drug war bullshit is doing. And then wait for the lying to come right back in your face. And it WILL, believe me. Time for a clean sweep of congress. This declaring war on the citizens of this country has to end and damned soon. Don't kid yourself. Go to jackherer.com and read his book on the entire subject. You will finally understand what this is all about, and it's NOT for the betterment of your health. It's so that the politicians can play political games with the lives of sick, injured and dying people. It's time for the nazis to go away, now.
October 27th, 2007 at 17:35:41  From: BB Sharecropper
All this rancor expended over dope, what a sad state of affairs. Does all your lives really center around smoking dope? If so you all have the mental maturity of teenagers, no offense if some of you are.
October 27th, 2007 at 18:03:43  From: 
Cannabis link to mental illness strengthened 23:01 21 November 2002 NewScientist.com news service Emma Young The link between regular cannabis use and later depression and schizophrenia has been significantly strengthened by three new studies. The studies provide "little support" for an alternative explanation - that people with mental illnesses self-medicate with marijuana - according to Joseph Rey and Christopher Tennant of the University of Sydney, who have written an editorial on the papers in the British Medical Journal. One of the key conclusions of the research is that people who start smoking cannabis as adolescents are at the greatest risk of later developing mental health problems. Another team calculates that eliminating cannabis use in the UK population could reduce cases of schizophrenia by 13 per cent. Until now, say Rey and Tennant, there was "a dearth of reliable evidence" to support the idea that cannabis use could cause schizophrenia or depression. That lack of good evidence "has handicapped the development of rational public health policies," according to one of the research groups, led by George Patton at the Murdoch Children's Research Institute in Melbourne, Australia. The works also highlights potential risks associated with using cannabis as a medicine to ease the symptoms of muscular sclerosis, for example. Pharmacological effect Patton's team followed over 1600 Australian school pupils aged 14 to 15 for seven years. Daily cannabis use was associated with a five-fold increased risk of depression at the age of 20. Weekly use was linked to a two-fold increase. The regular users were no more likely to have suffered from depression or anxiety at the start of the study. The reason for the link is unclear. Social consequences of frequent cannabis use include educational failure and unemployment, which could increase the risk of depression. "However, because the risk seems confined largely to daily users, the question about a direct pharmacological effect remains," says Patton. In separate research, a team led by Stanley Zammit at the University of Cardiff, UK, evaluated data on over 50,000 men who had been Swedish military conscripts in 1969 and1970. This group represents 97 per cent of men aged 18 to 20 in the population at that time. The new analysis revealed a dose-dependant relationship between the frequency of cannabis use and schizophrenia. This held true in men with no psychotic symptoms before they started using cannabis, suggesting they were not self-medicating. Genetic factors Finally, researchers led by Terrie Moffitt at King's College London, UK, analysed comprehensive data on over 1000 people born in Dunedin, New Zealand in 1972 and 1973. They found that people who used cannabis by age 15 were four times as likely to have a diagnosis of schizophreniform disorder (a milder version of schizophrenia) at age 26 than non-users. But when the number of psychotic symptoms at age 11 was controlled for, this increased risk dropped to become non-significant. This suggests that people already at greater risk of later developing mental health problems are also more likely to smoke cannabis. The total number of high quality studies on cannabis use and mental health disorders remains small, stress Rey and Tennant. And it is still not clear whether cannabis can cause these conditions in people not predisposed by genetic factors, for example, to develop them. "The overall weight of evidence is that occasional use of cannabis has few harmful effects overall," Zammit's team writes. "Nevertheless, our results indicate a potentially serious risk to the mental health of people who use cannabis. Such risks need to be considered in the current move to liberalise and possibly legalise the use of cannabis in the UK and other countries." Journal references: British Medical Journal (vol 325, p1195, p1199, p1212, p1183)
October 27th, 2007 at 18:13:44  From: 
Media Campaign Fact Sheets Marijuana and Mental Health Youth marijuana use is risky and can lead to serious consequences, including mental health problems. Researchers have long known that marijuana use has been associated with psychopathology. In the past decade, research on the psychiatric implications of the drug has increased dramatically. In the past three years, in particular, evidence has been accumulating that regular marijuana use can not only aggravate already existing mental illness, but that it may precede, or act as a catalyst, in mental health problems, including depression, suicidal thoughts and schizophrenia. This new research also identifies two crucial risk factors: The age when marijuana is first smoked has a major impact on the later development of mental health problems. The earlier the use, the greater the implications. There is an increased risk of depression, suicidal thoughts and schizophrenia as a result of marijuana use, even among people with no prior history of a disorder. However, those with a predisposition for mental illness are particularly vulnerable. In the case of psychotic disorders, this is estimated to be about one in four people. Depression and Suicidal Thoughts Several recent studies have linked youth marijuana use with increases in depression and suicidal thinking. Teens age 12 to 17 who smoke marijuana weekly are three times more likely than non-users to have thoughts about committing suicide.1 Some research shows that marijuana use can precede symptoms of depression. Girls (ages 14–15) who used marijuana daily were five times more likely to face depression at age 21. Weekly use among all teens studied doubled the risk for depression.2 A study of adults found that marijuana use quadrupled the risk of later major depression.3 A study of 1,265 children over a 21-year period found that marijuana use, particularly heavy or regular use, was associated with later increases in depression, suicidal thoughts and suicide attempts.4 Past-year marijuana use has been linked to social withdrawal, anxiety, depression, attention problems and thoughts of suicide in adolescents.5 Research with twins found that the twin who was dependent on marijuana was almost three times more likely to think about suicide and attempt suicide than his/her non-marijuana dependent co-twin.6 Schizophrenia Marijuana use has been linked to early-onset schizophrenia, and several recent studies show that marijuana use during adolescence increases the risk of psychotic disorders in adulthood.7 Heavy marijuana users are almost seven times more likely than non-users to be diagnosed with schizophrenia later in life.8 Among men suffering from schizophrenia, those who had used marijuana were much more likely to experience their first psychotic episode at an early age.9 A recent study found that that the earlier the use of marijuana (age 15 vs. age 18), the greater the risk of schizophrenia.10 A study published in 2005 found that regular use of marijuana may double the risk of developing psychotic disorders and that marijuana causes chemical changes to the brain. The study maintains that smoking marijuana causes symptoms even when other factors are taken into consideration.11 Genetic Predisposition Recent evidence suggests that some people's genetic make-up may predispose them to be particularly vulnerable to the effects of marijuana on mental health. An analysis of 2,437 young people found that marijuana use moderately increases the risk of psychopathology. The risk for those with a predisposition for psychopathology was much higher.12 A study published in spring 2005 found that as many as one in four people may have a genetic profile that makes marijuana five times more likely to trigger psychotic disorders.13 Parents Can Make a Difference Parents can make a difference by talking to their teens about the risks of marijuana and by monitoring their behavior. They can also take early action if they see signs of drug use or emotional problems.14 Parents are the most powerful influence on their kids when it comes to drugs. A report from the National Household Survey on Drug Abuse showed that the rate of past-month marijuana use was lower among kids who believed their parents would disapprove. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- References 1 Greenblatt, J. Adolescent self-reported behaviors and their association with marijuana use. SAMHSA, 1998. 2 Patton, GC et al. Cannabis use and mental health in young people: cohort study. British Medical Journal, 325:1195–1198, 2002. 3 Bovasso, GB. Cannabis abuse as a risk factor for depressive symptoms. The American Journal of Psychiatry, 158:2033–2037, 2001. 4 Fergusson, DM et al. Cannabis use and psychosocial adjustment in adolescence and young adulthood. Addiction, 97:1123–1135, 2002. 5 Brook, JS et al. The effect of early marijuana use on later anxiety and depressive symptoms. NYS Psychologist, 35–40, 2001. 6 Lynskey, M et al. Major depressive disorder, suicidal ideation, and suicide attempt in twins discordant for cannabis dependence and early-onset cannabis use. Archives of General Psychiatry, 61:1026–1032, 2004. 7 Andreasson, S et al. Cannabis and schizophrenia: A longitudinal study of Swedish conscripts. Lancet, 26:1483–1486, 1987. Fergusson, DM et al. Cannabis dependence and psychotic symptoms in young people. Psychological Medicine, 33:15–21, 2003. van Os, J et al. Cannabis use and psychosis: a longitudinal population-based study. American Journal of Epidemiology, 156:319–327, 2002. 8 Zammit, S et al. Self-reported cannabis use as a risk factor for schizophrenia in Swedish conscripts of 1969: historical cohort study. British Medical Journal, 325:1199–1201, 2002. 9 Veen, N et al. Cannabis use and age at onset of schizophrenia. The American Journal of Psychiatry, 161:501-506, 2004. 10 Arseneault L, et al. Cannabis use in adolescence and risk for adult psychosis: longitudinal prospective study. British Medical Journal, 325:1212–1213, 2002. 11 Fergusson, DM et al. Tests of causal linkages between cannabis use and psychotic symptoms. Addiction, 100, 3:354–366, 2005. 12 van Os, J et al. Prospective cohort study of cannabis use, predisposition for psychosis, and psychotic symptoms in young people. British Medical Journal, 330:11–, 2005. 13 Caspi A, et al. Moderation of the effect of adolescent-onset cannabis use on adult psychosis by a functional polymorphism in the catechol-o-methyltransferase gene: Longitudinal evidence of a gene X environment interaction. Biological Psychiatry (Article in press). 14 The National Household Survey on Drug Abuse (NHSDA) Report: Parental disapproval of youths' substance abuse. Department of Health and Human Services, Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, 2002. 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October 27th, 2007 at 19:14:21  From: manic depressive
And for every study you post things from big pharma and the federal gov't about, I can point to literally dozens that show compeltely different conclusions. As to studying adolescents who used daily, NO ONE is advocating it's use by kids, anymore than they would think it's great for kids to drink. I don't trust this Australian study, which not only says at it's very conclusion that it's not definitive, but has also already been discredited by other scientists, largely on the basis of who paid for it: Big pharma. As to anything put out by the feds, I will NEVER trust them on anything again, regardless of what it is, or what conclusions it draws. They have shot their wad with me, and I will NEVER trust a single federal person about anything. I have 23 years of my own experience, not to mention over 4500 years of other evidence that far outweighs anything that the feds will tell me. They are the same ones who bankrolled reefer madness. And for the record, the AMA has publically come out saying that it SHOULD be available for medicinal use. Kaiser Permanente has publically come out in several press releases saying that the only health risk that cannabis users have other people don't is law enforcement. I tend to trust those who deal with people and their health issues daily as opposed to the pharma companies and the feds, BOTH of whom are heavily involved in these "studies". Kind of like "Dr." Gabriel Nahas, who had a study funded by Columbia Uninversity that showed brain damage from it. That study was flawed, as they took monkeys, strapped them into machines that fed them nothing but somke for over an hour and a half at a time. Not even air in between puffs, just smoke. The monkeys were suffering from smoke inhalation and oxygen deprivation and it had nothing to do with the thc at all. That study was then dismissed by everyone BUT the drug warriors, who STILL use it as "proof". Sorry, but I don't buy it. And I have at least a dozen or more studies that show exactly the opposite of your study, here. Until you get law enforcement and the pharma companies out of it, you will NEVER know the reality and the truth. Like I said, 32 years of keeping myself from being a practicing alcoholic, two hits at a time, has proven to me that there are far better ways to deal with things than a bottle of booze or a bottle of pills. But that is what they want to shove down your throat every day. Screw them. They have their studies performed on children who shouldn't be using any drugs at all, and I have my own use that kept me alive and functional for 23 years. Who do you think I'm going to believe? And one hint: It WON'T be the drug warriors. Either way, it's a health issue, isn't it? Do you lock up diabetics because they shoot up every day? It makes just as much sense as keeping this illegal. Especially when alcohol and tobacco are legal, and people die from that, but society seems to have no issue with that. Hypocrisy, all the way around. Sorry, I just don't buy studies from those who set out to conclude something even before a single test is done.
October 27th, 2007 at 19:20:11  From: BB Sharecropper
manic depressive
This fits you like a glove, you are a prime example of the long term effects of dope smoking, dig deep inside and get a grip, there is still hope for you yet.
October 27th, 2007 at 19:48:09  From: manic depressive
There may be hope for me, but you are without redemption and hope at all, alcoholic shithead. And you would have NO idea what fits me like any piece of clothing. You don't know me, you have never spoken with me, and you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Go drink yourself to death and leave other people alone. That is all I am asking, is to be left alone to live MY life. You are the one shoving your bullshit down my throat.
October 27th, 2007 at 20:22:51  From: Toon
I've heard that BB is also Pius Pete. Some Christian he is to have no sympathy for a woman in chronic pain.
October 27th, 2007 at 20:24:32  From: Bb Sharecropper
manic depressive
You pretty much spilled your soul out on this site, your board name itself is a cry for help. "Fits like a glove" was a figure of speech, but in your buzzed state you can't comprehend simple things like that. You are incapable of leading an independent life, you need to be protected from yourself, your manic depression is amplified in the high on state of mind, suicidal thoughts are prevalent, earth to manic depressive, come in manic depressive, this is ground control,you are cleared for landing
October 27th, 2007 at 20:35:20  From: BB Sharecropper
Toon
I'd have to say you are one of the many hypocrites using this womans death for your own selfish interests. Once again the lame, lazy brained recreational users can't see their way through the drug induced stupor to face the facts, marijuana causes depression and suicidal tendencies,and this lady was one tragic example. BTW, I am not pious pete, I am Mr. Beer Bellied Sharecropper.. ''have keyboard, will travel"
October 27th, 2007 at 20:37:29  From: BB Sharecropper
loony toon
I think pious pete lurks in the Bronx, I lurk in cyberspace....
October 27th, 2007 at 20:51:43  From: BB Sharecropper
ooo oooo that smell, the smell of death is around you, there's too much coke, and too much smoke, can't ya smell that smell...
October 27th, 2007 at 23:08:57  From: billos
BB comes across as a very disturbed and angry human being.
October 28th, 2007 at 03:31:55  From: manic depressive
BBShithead is a practicing alcoholic. THAT is who is telling me I'm the one with the problem? I haven't had a drink in 23 years, and I haven't had a thing to smoke in 3 weeks. Now tell me again how in my buzzed state I'm so incoherent. I've given you fact apon fact, you have given NONE to anyone, in fact, only parroting bullshit that does not live up to any realistic argument, and yet we're supposed to take you seriously in any way, shape or form? You are nothing but a class A fool. A typical republican piece of shit. And you still know nothing about me at all, other than what I've said here. And from that you are willing to essentially diagnose my "problem"? Hell, you can't even be bothered to read the article this topic is on, why should I believe that you have enough comprehension to understand anything? You are an idiot, and a mean spirited one at that. Like I said, go climb back into your bottle. You know, the same one I climbed out of 23 YEARS ago? Climb back in, asshole. And leave other people alone. I know that is next to impossible for scum like you, but try it, okay? You are in NO position to tell me a fucking thing. PERIOD. Now go drink your sorry ass to death and leave other people alone. 125,000 Americans die from the drug you use, none have ever died from my choice in over 4500 years. Please be one of the former, and soon.
October 28th, 2007 at 04:47:05  From: j-m
The ones who oppose Cannibus being used as medicine are uncompassionate religious nuts. Religion pollutes the mind. The death of this activist is on their conscience and hands.
October 28th, 2007 at 08:21:13  From: 
meanwhile 'scooter' libbey, shitstain bush, and evil cheney go free .....
October 28th, 2007 at 10:54:50  From: 
"All this rancor expended over dope, what a sad state of affairs. Does all your lives really center around smoking dope? If so you all have the mental maturity of teenagers, no offense if some of you are." - - - - - - - Failing the Presidential "childrens do learn" context of "does all your lives", Some of us haven't smoked dope in a LONG time (over 10 years, for me).. Yet I find it immensely important to have this discussion, for -several- reasons. First and foremost, this thread is about MEDICAL use. This brings in various questions and forces, 90% of which are tied to "large pharmaceutical companies" who make a LOT of money with pot being kept illegal... duh? The debate is important because it gets to the heart of a question that runs deep in America.. "should Corporations be allowed to dictate laws that put money in their pockets at the detriment of American's rights and to the exclusion of better (usually cheaper) alternatives?" If we accept the pronouncements of the advocates for legalization (if for nothing else, medical use), the question becomes clearly answered, in that the United States Government favors letting the richest 1% influence laws that put money in their pockets, no matter who it hurts. The reason the debate continues (with regards to the benefits or detriments of use) is because the rich 1% who are making billions of personal dollars yearly are -happy- to fund "junk studies" so they can "prove their point". We've been seeing it in all it's blatantness with Big Oil and Global Warming.. and the same thing happens this way. - - - - - Another good reason to have this debate is, it's tied to the legalization of Hemp production. The ONLY reason someone can have for not wanting Hemp to be grown in this country is that they are afraid someone might sneak in some pot plants. Makes it near impossible to find "pot" in the "hemp" from the air.. and with millions of acres of hemp, you aren't going to rummage around fields and find anything. So, then, what's the issue with Hemp, again? Oh.. right.. it's an easily grown crop that provides material for food, fuel, clothing, paper, construction, and more and more and more. We import a lot of Hemp product (including the U.S. Navy and their Hemp ropes). If we started putting land to use growing Hemp, we would be able to infuse this country with a LOT of new jobs in various localities. So, why are there laws preventing the growing of Hemp (which, by the way, can't get you high, not the crop grade we're talking about)? Answer me that, BB.. - - - - - - - Then we have the whole "who gets to make what decisions about individual freedoms". In that, alcohol is proved to be problematic for individuals.. responsible for over 16,000 driving related deaths yearly.. And look at all the alcoholics out there, losing jobs and families and their lives, yet, it's been determined that people have a RIGHT to drink since MOST people that drink do NOT destroy their lives by doing so. - - - - - - - And, -any- study that has the meat of it based on "effects on children" ONLY goes to serve as support for "legalization for adults only", like smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol, entering into contracts, etc etc. Some things are BAD for KIDS because they are growing and need to be protected during that fragile time. It has -nothing- to do with what adults should or should not be allowed to do. Therefore, ANY "study" that tells of "long term risks" that require "starting as a kid" are MOOT. Not to mention, are dwarfed by studies that show the BENEFITS of pot smoking by ILL ADULTS. - - - - - - So, BB, the issue isn't "are you all such dope heads that all you can think about is pot?", but instead "how far do we as a citizenry allow our Government to abuse us for the enrichment of the 1% and appeasement of religious fanatics?". That you can't tell what the far reaching impact of this conversation really is shows that your alcohol use has hurt you, and that could probably be fixed if you started smoking dope.. being high (after the first few months of getting used to feeling) allows you to follow thoughts down side paths you never thought about before, and some of those are actually logically connected.. and as time goes on, you can start to see where one thing is connected to other things a LOT easier (one of my 'paranoid delusions' of why I think it's still illegal.. it allows for clearer thought down the road.. can't have a populace that is hard to lie to because they can see what you're really doing, right?). Right wing religious zealots and the leaders of the Mega Corps don't want you high for a reason, BB.. perhaps YOU should ask yourself what they are trying to keep you from finding out :)
October 28th, 2007 at 10:55:26  From: Savantster
damnit! I hate when I forget to put my name on my posts.. the above is mine :)
October 28th, 2007 at 12:49:37  From: Bobo the Clown
BB Shitcrapper
Really got his ass served to him on a platter in this thread. All he can do is quote songs and Limpballs talking points. Pathetic.
October 28th, 2007 at 15:01:45  From: Former Republican
Religous Fanatics
spend 50% of their time telling you that suicide is a sin that will send you to Hell. Then they spend the other 50% of their time trying to drive you to it. When they succeed, they chuckle to themselves and mock the victim. Jesus would be so proud of them.
October 28th, 2007 at 15:13:11  From: manic depressive
And notice the anonymous put down of Pious Pete. Pious calls it the satanic weed, but completely ignores what the bible says, that Satan creates nothing, but God is the creator of all things. Therefore, God created the plant and it's effects, but that is completely ignored by these so called "Christians". And Foremer republican, you are 100% right. Christ would come back and kick these people out of the temple along with the money changers. Funny how they all seem to miss entirely the part where Christ spoke of compassion and love. And they know nothing about how the "end times" bullshit they scream so loudly about only came about in around 1850. Maybe they should do some research and learn what they are shouting about all the time. But that would actually require brains, something they are not known for or exhibiting at all. Christ would spit on them and call them goats, something else they wouldn't understand, seeing as how none of them seem to have read a single word in the Bible ta all.
October 28th, 2007 at 16:58:41  From: SpiderWoman
As an expat living in Scotland who used to used marijuana (and methadone and oxycodone and morphine) for uncontrollable pain, my heart goes out to Ms. Prosser. The way America treats its weakest people is the core of why I left. Ms. Prosser's death exemplifies it. I haven't touched any of that in years, and haven't had the slightest desire since my pain has been gone. BB, you're a vicious hateful excuse for a human being.
October 28th, 2007 at 17:27:07  From: Berr Bellied Sharecropper
And you all don't think that the giant drug companies already have a plan in place to market pharamceutical THC? Some of them already do under strict government control and guidelines. People and big companies and some in the government realize what a real problem alcoholism is, and smoking too, marijuana has components of both of these. Why should another harmful drug be added to that list? Tobacco is on the verge of becoming illegal, legalizing dope would be step backwards, and the hemp argument is really lame, more so than the recreational users pushing the medicinal angle. Even if pot was legalized for medicinal purposes, it would not help you recreational users, it would still be treated as a prescription drug, not sure how it would be classified. Morphine is legal for medicinal purposes, but that doesn't mean a recreational user can get some and shoot up just for fun, it just ain't gonna happen, you might as well try to stop smoking and clear your heads a little bit, you would be surprised by the positive effects it would have on your lives, you would look at life in a positive light instead of a drug induced funk depression.
October 28th, 2007 at 17:33:24  From: Jack Flash
stupid "scientists"
As another British scientist has pointed out, there has been absolutely no rise in mental illness in Britain over recent decades, while there has been a great rise in pot smoking. Therefore the claim of a correlation between the two is utter nonsense. But it's always been the case that you can get funding and publicity by faking up some statistics to claim otherwise.
October 28th, 2007 at 17:47:29  From: K
F*CK DEA! Keep smoking & supporting the WAR against the War on drugs!
October 28th, 2007 at 17:49:23  From: manic depressive
You fat idiot, BBShithead. You use a drug that distorted your body into something disgusting, by your very title. And how much did you have to drink to do that to yourself? A pretty fair amount, since I drank beer and gin excessively for over 10 years and never got even a paunch from it. You are clearly the one with the problem here. As to it being a "harmful drug", grow the fuck up. Cannabis has never been involved in a single human death. You can't say that about beer, can you? And yet you insist on continuing to use a deadly substance that is man made while you keep trying to make a plant that God made into a devilish thing. You are clearly deluded. And what is the point in putting 400,000 Americans through the criminal justice system for something that even a DEA judge said was one of the most harmless things on the planet? How much do you want to pay for that, every year, dolt? Because you are, whatever you want to think. But you would be one of the loudest to complain about wasteful gov't spending, wouldn't you? In those places where it's been decriminalized, it's been shown that there is no increase in social problems whatsoever, and in fact, use goes DOWN. But like all your right wing alcoholic buddies, the truth means nothing to you. Grow up, grow a brain, and grow a soul. You obviously have neither, and I suspect it's due to YOUR drug use. Don't kid yourself, alcohol IS a drug it's an addictive, deadly thing, and you will never convince me otherwise. Your alcohol addled head will never get over the fact that you have been lied to and you have swallowed those lies with every bottle you have tilted towards your face. You are truly a sad, sorry individual. I feel sorry for you, really I do. And I wouldn't want you near anyone's kids, due to your drug use. I'd tell them to stay away from the alcoholic, because the stupid rubs off on you. It really did on you. And we could all laugh at you while you stumble and fall down. Go climb back into that bottle, you deserve each other. What an idiot you are. And I also believe that you are the "pious pete" who won't shut his face about things he understands nothing about. "I'm from cyberspace" just doesn't cut it. Neither does quoting stupid pop songs as some kind of answer for anything. All it does is prove the absolute nonsense in your position. You've got nothing, and you prove it with every post.
October 28th, 2007 at 19:01:02  From: Savantster
Lemme get this straight.. You won't comment as to why Hemp is illegal, despite it's not being capable of getting you high and it IS capable of being a hugely beneficial crop in America? - - - - - - - - wow.. you're more of a douche than I thought. And, bringing in tobacco does what? Pot is no where NEAR as bad for your lungs as "industrialized tobacco".. not even close. Making cigarettes illegal doesn't diminish the arguments for pot, yet you try to do just that. - - - - - - - Comparing morphine, a highly addictive drug that is easily overdosed on and destroys internal organs if over-used to pot makes sense how? I'm confused.. You talk about a dangerous drug that is APPROVED for medical use, and use it in the same breath as a NON-dangerous drug that is NOT legal for medical use? *boggle* - - - - - - - - - - - There is no point in discussing this any more, not with Butt Buffer Shitstain. He's flailing in the wind now, trying desperately to find something that even looks remotely coherent.. and failing miserably.
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