For some folks in Texas, the prospect of a universal health care scheme isn't just cause for protest and debate -- it's reason enough to secede from the United States altogether.
Some 200 people rallied at the State Capitol in Austin on Saturday, a small but vocal crowd that set itself in opposition to pro-health care reform protesters.
Larry Kilgore, a Christian activist that the Texas Observer says has advocated execution for homosexuals, "drew some murmurs of disapproval" when he told the crowd: “I hate that flag up there. ... I hate the United States government. … They’re an evil, corrupt government. They need to go. Sovereignty is not good enough. Secession is what we need!”
“We hate the United States!” he declared later in his address.
Although the Texas independence movement is nothing new, observers say it has been given new life by the debate over health care, which some secessionists see as an attack on the US Constitution, and therefore grounds for abandoning the Union.
But many observers place responsibility for the movement's growth in prominence on Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who in April suggested that the Obama administration's policies may drive Texas to leave the United States.
"If Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that," Brian Beutler at TalkingPointsMemo quoted Perry. "But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot."
"Rick Perry's talk of secession appears to have buoyed efforts by Texas secessionists who want the governor to follow through," Dallas Morning News reporter Wayne Slater blogged on Sunday.
Slater went on to debunk some of the assertions made by the secessionists:
Another self-styled patriot invoked George Washington as an ally of secession (History lesson: Washington presided over creation of the union) and Sam Houston - "You go ask Sam Houston what he thought about secession. He did it anyway." (History lesson: Houston opposed secession. He ran for governor as an independent Unionist in 1859. Despite his efforts, the people of Texas voted to secede, and he was forced out of office in March 1861.)
As the Texas Observer notes, no prominent Texas politicians showed up to the event, not even the 70 or so members of the state legislature who supported a declaration (PDF) earlier this year affirming the sovereignty of Texas over its own constitutional affairs.
Prior to the protest, organizer Gerry Donaldson told Robert Moon of Examiner.com that secessionists are "calling for an orderly process that will allow our federal government to fall back in line with the Constitution. ... Either we will restore America, we will live in a Marxist dictatorship, or we will secede and start over again."
"For his part, Perry says he never advocated secession - only resistance to federal programs that infringe on states' rights," the Morning News' Slater reports. "The message is part of his anti-Washington appeal to the right-wing of the Republican Party in advance of next March's GOP primary against [prominent Texas Republican] Kay Bailey Hutchison."
-- Daniel Tencer
The following video was posted to YouTube by the Texas Observer on Saturday, August 29, 2009:
Great...We'll be happy to see you leave tomorrow...
AND IF YOU DON'T - YOU GET TO GO TO JAIL!
I live in Texas and i'm sorry you all have to hear about these assholes. Nobody I have ever talked to here wants to secede and we are not all backwards like these people are. So please don't lump us all in with these douches.
I'd love to see them follow through on that threat. Hell, they could even have
Bush as President. Send the Tea party people there. I'm just so sick of their
nonsense. Does it surprise anyone that Larry Kilgore is a Christian?
I'm in Houston and, although there a lot of right wing crazies around, most of us actually voted against our secessionist Governor last time. Rick Perry believes he speaks for a majority of Texans with this secessionist nonsense, but he got only 39% of the vote in the last election. But he understands, probably better than does Kay Bailey, that the hard core True Believers in the Texas GOP vote in primaries. Inflaming this issue is all part of his effort to remain in office. But if Rick Perry is actually serious about secession, I hope he is courageous enough to be out in front when this band of traitors try to take over Ft. Hood.
But the secessionists are not patriots. And it goes without saying they are assholes.
do they need help packing? goodbye and good RIDDANCE - don't let the door hit you in the ASS and be sure to take your Crawford IDIOT with you...
No, they can't have Texas, period.
Nothing is preventing them from leaving the US, however.
GO! Get OUT, you insane pricks.
These goofy fuckers put on a show for whose benefit? Ours? Do you think we'll stand in the way? Hell, no!
Get the fuck out! Go! Take the whole fucking Bible Belt with you. Adios! You're nothing but a drain on society. It it wasn't for you, we'd be at parity with the rest of the industrialized world.
Just leave us the sane ones, like G, and the rest of you Rapture-ready assholes, just go -- don't talk about it, get off your ass and do it!
These 200 or so "secessionists" in Texas are making such colossal fools of themselves. What a bunch of ignoramuses. LOL!!
They hate the USA -- except when their party is in power! They think the government is violating the Constitution -- unless it's a GOP-run government!
unbelievable.
it must be hard to be proud when you come from a creationist state.
i guess kilgore felt everything was great under pres bush but now that someone actually won the election with a majority, the government is now bogus.
abortion is no one's first choice, but I wish kilgore's mom had tried it.
Isn't there any one of these idiots who are overreacting about the healthcare bullshit who are man enough to admit that this only has to do with the fact that they can't stand the idea of a black man sitting on the throne?
Just as "G" the Texan doesn't want to be lumped together with this group, Christians like myself don't to be lumped together with someone who claims to be a Christian but does not walk the walk.
Oh PLEASE leave. This country needs to rid itself of knuckle dragging rednecks. However, they should be tried as traitors and executed according to law.
200 people showed up, out of a state of 24 million? Wow, the secessionists are really picking up steam!
Like I said yesterday with my sign on the south steps of the capital in Austin tx...
"TO SECSSIONISTS,
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT LEAVE"
"PAY YOUR TAXES
AND IF YOU DON'T LIVE HEAR GO HOME"
Hells yes that 'black man in the white house' is what's really got their feathers ruffled. I know some very nice people in TX who aren't stupid rednecks. I think we need to find a place for the redneck populations of all states to go-to educate and reintegrate them into the 21st Century America. American, world history and classes in cultural diversity would be a good start...can't leave until you get an A
It's time we let Mexico have its northern territory back. The anglos brutally stole the territoy from Mexico in the 19th Century in a racist war of aggression. Mexico is a modern, civilized country where citizens enjoy universal health care and are not tortured by the barbaric practice of capital punishment. Mexico, in fact, is worlds ahead of Texas on any scale of civilized behavior. Mexico has never instigated a war of aggression, whereas a Texas Anglo started two baseless wars of aggression in the first decade of this century alone.
WHY is my native state such an embarrassment? For all of you up north, Houston, South Texas, Austin and San Antonio have very few of these lunatics and are relatively normal places. West Texas (Crawford!) and the rural areas breed this kind of lunacy.
Umm, try getting some of that "free" health care in Texas...even when I was a state employee, my insurance was junk. That's what happens when you have no income tax and major effort at union-busting; are you happy with losing all your jobs and getting all your stuff from Walmart yet?
And good luck in your war with Mexico. You're on their land.
Well, like they used to say, "You can burry a Texan in a shoe box - just give him an enema first!"
That's nice.
Feel free to pack your trash, vacate your property, and relocate a few miles south of the border.
Don't let the border guards zap ya in the ass on the way out.
Interesting; so it's NOT "liberals" that "hate" America after all now is it?
Let the Texas citizens who want to leave the US have their own section and let those who love America live in theres. I have noticed how the Texas Governor has no problem using Federal Funds while attacking the US. Now we know what this is really about and it has nothing to do with the USA. We have an African American President and that for the few KKK racist left is killing them. Those idiot never thought they would have to call a Black man Mister President. Now what's sad is some in Texas would rather have bimbo dumb nuts Sarah Palin as President. Just think if that happen the US would be bombing Iran and Russia right now. Yes there would be no need for a secession as we'd have no United States of America. We have been known as the real Axis of Evil for 8 years with proof. I think we should pray that those with hate/evil in their hearts in Texas receive God's held in healing their evil as right now Satan is in their hearts.
To #11: I completely agree with you that these people are really nothing more than a bunch of racist bigots. There is one thing though--call it a pet peeve of mine--and that's the reference to "the man sitting on the throne" part. Kings sit on thrones and consider themselves all powerful. The leader of America is not an all powerful king. Since we are a republic, I don't think we should start suggesting (even in jest) that that is the kind of reverence or power the American people want to give our elected leadership. We're already having enough problems with our leadership as it is.
Oh yes oh very yes and please do. Seceed and do it now. Quickly please. Do NOT let the old national door hit you in the ass on the way to wherever it is you're going. Seceed and don't threaten the U.S. with a good time.
Let us keep Austin, and you've got a deal. Goodbye.
You people leaving these comments are clueless to what's happening in this country. You do you realize American politicians are owned by bankers and wall street? Bush = Owned, Obama = Owned, McCain = Owned, Kerry = Owned etc etc. It's called an Oligarchy. Look up the word to understand the meaning. Here's a nice economic article explaining what's really happening and going to happen: http://www.scribd.com/doc/19199220/Will-Gold-Reach-5000-809
All this over healthcare reform, wow.
Imagine if the government did something to really upset them, like waste $2 trillion dollars on a war that we didn't need to start, or increase the national debt from $4 trillion to $10 trillion, or hand corporate banks and AIG over $2 billion in no-interest sweetheart loans.
I wonder how pissed they would be then?
Let them go!!!!! The IQ level of the United States will go up 50 points.
These idiots can take their jingoism with them on the way out and then in 5 years when their new "territory" is as poor as a third world nation, we can take it back minus all of these two bit, racist, ignorant people.
Good riddance! More confirmation that the country would be SO much better off had the south won the civil war. Don't let the door hit you on the way out of the best thing that ever happened to you, no matter how much you have or haven't learned about the USA or its constitution.
I don't think Mexico wants them, so they may be a war and the LOSER gets Texas.
Born and raised in Texas. Worked and lived for many, many years in Texas radio, cities like Dallas, San Antonio, Houston and Austin. These secessionist groups have long been a fact of life in Texas, and they've long been considered as charter members of the lunatic fringe. Far as I'm concerned they still are. Further, far as I'm concerned, any politicia who gives even the tiniest bit of lip service, Rick Perry's sand crab imitation be damned, should be tied to an oil platform at the begining of hurricane season and left to fend for himself.
Truth is I love Texas and am still mostly proud to be from there, though I now live in another state. It is, I must say to my fellow Texans, growing more and more difficult to defend my birthplace. And, there likely will come a day when I won't be able to defend her at all. I'm closing in on a week visiting and holding watch over my gravely ill son who likely would not be so ill were our health care system as good as it could and SHOULD be. During this time, I've been listening to former colleagues for whom I once held tremendous respect, spouting the most ridiculous right wing bilge I've ever hear, at a radio station where I once proudly worked. Just like these secessionist morons, the are sadly in need of some remedial histor classes.
If this group hates the USA, then they are free to leave of course. But no, folks, you cannot take the great state of Texas with you. Since you are clearly unAmerican, you are the same as a terrorist and an enemy. If you don't leave on your own, I am sure other Texans will be happy to dispose of you.
I am a native born Texan and I don't know ANYONE who agrees with these idiots.
Sometimes I am tempted to say, let them leave, because they just obstruct everything the rest of the nation wants.
Texas should not be allowed to secede.
They should be expelled.
After secession, Texas would then be reconquered muy rapido by Mexico, much to the Lulz of the rest of the US.
im just glad it was texas, maybe people will forget about inhofe and coburn for a day or two.
Deportation sounds like a good answer to the people who want to secede the State of Texas from the Union.
If they refuse or rescind their Citizen status, I believe that makes them enemy combatants.
Yeah, deportation sounds good.
Sooo....I guess this means that the UNITED States isn't. Who would have thunk it? In Canada, the change in attitude that seemed to kill the seperatist activists in Quebec was a growing sentiment to say, go ahead. Their strength diminished when people increasingly stopped reacting. It is hard to have a fight when the supposed enemy does not show up for the fight. In the meantime, the federal government went ahead with addressing issues to continue building the nation, not allowing the extreme views to gain and hold center stage. The difference in America is you seek out and publicize, even celebrate the crazies and this media bias sets the agenda. On healthcare for example, you would likely get 80% agreeing with a set of principles about being fair and ensuring treatment, yet the 20% who are opposed, almost always based on being suckered by lobby groups and voting against their own interests, these 20% get 80% or more of the coverage and give the impression of a split that does not exist. The lesson is to demand the media fairly represent the issues, stop doing the man bites dog approach to news and secondly, to invite the 20% to go ahead, split if they want.
When I see jerks like these I think of Bob Dylan's song, Only A Pawn In Their Game.
From the poverty shacks, he looks from the cracks to the tracks,
And the hoof beats pound in his brain.
And he's taught how to walk in a pack
Shoot in the back
With his fist in a clinch
To hang and to lynch
To hide 'neath the hood
To kill with no pain
Like a dog on a chain
He ain't got no name
But it ain't him to blame
He's only a pawn in their game.
...don't let the door hit you on the way out.
But seriously, we should encourage these folks. They are the right wing's problem in any general election.
Let's check the voting records of every one of these secessionists and I'd bet my paycheck this month every last one of them voted for Republicans. 'Nuf said!
Texas--So long, so sad! As long as you stay geographically between us and Mexico, I am fine with you morons cutting loose.
Please do...when the oil runs out and energy can be generated anywhere, you'll be a hot humid dump! LOL...
Gerry Donaldson (organizer per your article) is big into the Birther Movement as well. Check him out on the Resistnet site for a photo and some of the crazy rants he posts. He really is kinda nuts.
These are a bunch of loud-mouthed crazies going nowhere. Ignore them, they'll go away. It's political theater predicated on keeping them from ever accomplishing anything of any substance, not that they're ever going to listen to reason from just about anyone.
ARREST THESE TRAITORS IMMEDIATELY!!
This is part of the hate and fear mongering that is giving a bad name to the sovereignty movements growing around a lot of states. There is a coming and very valid form of rebellion and dissent in these movements, but the astroturf behind a lot of these secessionists movements is just meant to take away from the validity of the legit liberty/anti-government movements and lump them with these 'divide and conquer' moves.
Grant Mr. Kilgore his wish. Pack him onto a plane to one of the countries doing the torture for us. Sorry Mr. Kilgore, once there, no comy backy.
Love it or leave it, baby.
If only Molly Ivins were still around, I'd love to hear her take on this idiocy.
Its no doubt that these people were all spouting off that Alec Baldwin should keep to his pledge about leaving the country when Bush was re-elected. To them I say the popular vote went against your side this time, suck it up and be a real American.
You all calling these people every name under the sun are missing the point. This countrys government is a far cry from what our Constitution and Bill of Rights are supposed to represent. It is a proven fact that our government assasinates, tortures, violates its own law of the land and thus OUR rights using terror and propaganda on US to move us in whatever direction they so desire. I don't blame them one bit for their anger. In fact it seems clearly time for another Revolution as far as I am concerned.
I recently talked to a former Marine who was born in Canada and moved to the US prior to entering the service. He was in his mid 50's and had four children with his also Canadian born wife. Two of the kids were born in Canada and the other two in the US. He had NOTHING good to say about the health care in Canada and in fact stated that the two kids that were born in Canada were born in a nightmare system compared with that of ours. He asked. why would anyone want that system? He also compared Canadian health care with our own VA.
You get what you pay for I guess.
When you have only 200 people show up to shout "I hate America" all you have are 200 ignorant racist chickenshit assholes and nothing else. They are lucky real hardcore Texans didnt come down there and physically take them down for being traitors to this country we all belong too, and as most Texans, proud we belong to the United Stated.
Why this puny amount of protesters gets any airtime at all is beyond me but I can assure the rest of the country, Texas is proud to be in the Union and would never even dream of seccession.
Please do not let 200 idiots color your opinions of Texas' love for our country.
NeitherTexas, nor any other state of the U.S. is theirs to take anywhere. It is ALL American territory for ALL Americans. And like the pledge that these right-wingers so mindlessly love to spout, America is "indivisible"- meaning not subject to secession. Lincoln pointed this out to the South back in 1861 in another situation where right-wing Southerners wanted to take their ball and go home after an election. They chose not to listen and forced him to spank them severely. I'd advise them to not write any checks they can't cash.
Now just don't talk the talk secessionists, please feel free to "walk the walk". But before you go do please try to "round up" all the rest of your vicious confederate rightwing nutjob brethern in the US and take them with you.
Oh what a breath of fresh air that would be! To be finally rid of you low-brow, slack-jawed, knuckle-dragging troublemakers and all of your hate everythingism.
Take ARIZONA with you please
Texas is nothing but a hemorrhoid on America's ass, and as such should be removed.
While Secession is a legit right of the constitution that the dictator tyrant Lincoln killed I hate the fact that the media pics out the biggest morons and puts them out there as the representatives of intelligent people who want to leave America.
THe US government is a war criminal banker owned enterprise as of 1913 and later..why would anyone want to stay anymore?
I am a Vietnam vet and I say, "Na Na Na Na, hey, hey, GOODBYE and take Rick Perry and the "Vietnam Vet(sic) from Crawford with you!!!
The Secessionists must have forgotten that Mexico lost the war on purpose...
and will not take Texas back...
I support the Texan's as they try to succeed from the US. We will finally be rid of their right wing bigotry and the classic ignorance of the average Texan. They can take Sleazebag Bush as their new President, Tom Delay as their Minister of Graft, Mr Perry can be the minister of stupidity, and they can call their new country the Super Christian Fascist Republic of Bigotry.
We should immediately close all Federal institutions there and place them in communities where they will do some good.
Larry Kilgore - go back to your trailer house.
So I guess since Larry Kilgore is running for Governor of Texas and he plans for Texas to secede he expects to be the King of his new country. That about right?
By the way, he's a fan of Ron Paul. Not sure that speaks well of RP.
This article fails to report that just a block away there were 2000 pro healthcare reform citizens of Texas attending a pro healthcare reform forum at the same time. Speakers included Texas Congressman Lloyd Doggett, Austin's Mayor, doctors, and others speaking on behalf of healthcare reform and the public option. The successionist crowd tried to interrupt the forum but were unsuccessful.
You Texas loonies, if you fire on the flag of the United States you will be arrested, charged with treason, and face a long time in prison or the hangman's noose. Go ahead, do your worst.
Hope they have a 'duty free' shop by their border... then we can stock up on cheap whiskey, cigs and cowboy boots on the way out.
I suppose my mom will need a passport now to visit home.
I live in Texas & I would consider the secessionists to on the fringe for the most part.
In & around Houston there are a great deal of people who are very right wing (Austin it's not). Most would not seriously follow the secessionists but they still think W was a good President which tells you enough about what they think about Obama & the health-care proposals.
I think there is some validity to the idea that some if not many on the far right are ticked off mainly because we have a Black President (they also would be pissed off at the fact we have a Democratic President).
Texas is changing demographically & that also scares the begeezus out of these folks. Within 10 to 20 years Texas should easily turn blue. The repubs have pretty much given up on the Hispanic vote & that is gonna bite them in the ass sooner than they'll want...
I thought that the secessionist thing was settled over 100 years ago when the Union went to war to force the "Confederate States of America" back into the union.
No state has the right to secede from the Union. There is no provision for this in the US Constitution.
However, as others have said, if these people hate the US so much they are free to leave it whenever they like. There are lots of other countries in the world that would take them. Let them move to Mexico or some right-wing dictatorship in Central or South America.
Good riddance to them. Don't let the door hit ya on the ass on the way out.
[...] The Raw Story » ‘We hate the United States’: Secessionists rally in Texas rawstory.com/blog/2009/08/secessionists-rally-texas – view page – cached For some folks in Texas, the prospect of a universal health care scheme isn't just cause for protest and debate -- it's reason enough to secede from the United States altogether. — From the page [...]
Bye-bye, Texas!! Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!!
Wasn't going to comment until I noticed it was ok to use "asshole" as a word to describe ignorant, traitorous, imbecilic, fools.
Didn't we already have a civil war over this?
Let them secede. I'll donate to their cause. Encourage the Christ Monkeys to leave here and go there and help set up an Xian theocratic police state like they want, it's already there. We should build a wall around the border with the USA and tell the Mexicans they can have it all if they can take it away from them. Perfect! No more Texans, a lot less Mexicans.......The only good thing that ever came out of Texas was an empty Greyhound Bus.
Quick and dirty method for leaving MY country:
1)Apply for a passport
2)Register for carribean cruise
3)sign up for one of those cruise land excursions
4)When you reach excursion destination(not affiliated w/US govt), BURN PASSPORT
congrats. You have now personally seceeded from the union!
Jonathon
The states HAD the right to leave, it was a fundamental right...but like I said we had lincoln who made Bush seem like Jesus take that right away and brutalized the CIVILIAN people of America that forced the South to stop fighting...he was a sicko. .
Good move to another country and take the other treason loving ones (Bush, Cheney, & Rove) with you!!! And don't bother to come back.
David R Velasquaz : Your comment was brilliant and hysterical. Thanks for the laugh.
Cool: imagine what we could charge em for crossing into the states; tariffs on anything they try to export. They hate Mexico, so good luck on that. Have one of those "Cuban exiles" and release all our criminals at the Texas border. Any illegal immigrant gets sent to Texas. This could be fun!
all the anti-Texas sentiments aside, I really must remind folks of the progressive history of the state. It was a native Texan who pushed through the 1964 Civil Rights Act and signed it. That Lyndon Johnson did so for enirely pragmatic reasons is irrelevant... the fact remains that he threw his significant political savvy behind it.
And I'll also remind folks that neither former President Bush is, or ever was, a native born Texan. Shrub's daddy had a modicum of political talent, but his son was born a doofus and will die one when that time comes for him.
As for Molly Ivins, I once knew the woman well and miss her terribly. She could skewer an arrogant/ignorant politician with the very best of 'em and I dearly wish our media were still capable of growng writers like Molly Ivins.
Before we kick you out of the Union, we want our nukes back.
I Volunteer to help cut them off the grid !
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Feel free to GTFO of the US. Go back to Europe, or Israel. Leave. We don't need these unemployed pricks here. Shouldn't they be at work instead of protesting? Oh yeah, THEY DON'T WORK... But they want all the welfare money to themselves.
Hate is a strong word for a " Christian " activist. The Texans are right. It's time for a new begining if this country can't get right. Anyone who disagrees is out of touch with their history, with the constitution and decloration of independance, and with the real burden that the bad polotics have put on the backbone of America since the late 60's. That backbone would be the White, Conservative (Christian), working class Citizen, especially males.
We'll never improve anything if we have to drag these morons around kicking and screaming--do we really want or need their obstructionism?
Leopold Kohr in "Breakdown of Nations" wrote that, if things are going wrong, it's probably because it has become too big (too manage).
The best action to "save the body" may be to lop-off hopelessly infected limbs like the State of Texas. In the process of cutting them loose, we should ask them if they would be willing to take their OK cousins along with them (along with their share of the Bush debt).
Part of the bargain would be a "housing exchange" whereby rational Texans could trade homes with those outside the state who would like to secede.
That way we'd be back to a nice, symmetrical 48-star flag.
In case we need any of its resources in the future, we'll just get Cheney to blow something up with his "loose-nuke", and then claim that he saw the perp with a box-cutter running away from the scene screaming howdy-howdy.
Then we can declare Rick Perry a terrorist and invade.
Well, you wing-nuts gave us hell during Vietnam for opposing the war so right back atcha: America, Love It or Leave It! And don't let the border patrol kick you in the ass.
Can you believe these idiots? The more the ultra far right speaks up for the Repugnant Party, the better off we will be. Of course we would be miles ahead if some serious competition would appear for the Democraps on the progressive/liberal front as well.
And as far as health care is concerned, I seriously doubt that we will get much in the way of reform unless a couple of million people show up in D.C to support single payer or a public option. So get of the sofa and start organizing your friends. And, of course, the best way to pay for it is to reduce the size and budget of the military by half.
yuvbinduped #51
Your name says it all. Why don't you be their "general" and lead the "fight". I wanna see a tank roll over your ass and your "medics" slide your remains under the door at the "emergency" room as they nick name you "Gumby."
You people are the reason this world needs to be wiped out. You love a government that used the enslave black people, then stopped only to enslave the poor/middle class.
You love this country that tortures and kills people who don't even pose a threat to us.
You love this country that spends trillions of dollars not FOR you but to KILL and STEAL.
Again, the idiots on this planet prove that everyone deserves to die, immortality should never be allowed to get near humankind, you people would destroy the entire universe.
With 99% of the 'replies' obviously written by two, maybe three very repetitive government shills, all I can say is, "if you are taking flak, you've got to be over the target."
Its great to see Duhmerica tearing itself apart at the seams! Won't be much longer now!
To all the love it or leave it crowd: They hate Duhmerica for their freedoms? Ya think? How does your behavior sync with your rhetoric? It doesn't! You beat your chests about how free you are and in the same breath demand that people who say things you don't like 'get the fuck out'! Thats not freedom. Thats why Duhmerica is so hated by so many.
And by the way, I too hate Duhmerica. Thats why I got out 16 years ago. Burn baby burn!
"You all calling these people every name under the sun are missing the point. This countrys government is a far cry from what our Constitution and Bill of Rights are supposed to represent."
Good! Why don't YOU get the fuck out too? We won't miss you!
"I recently talked to a former Marine who was born in Canada...He had NOTHING good to say about the health care in Canada"
Jesus Christ ! In that case, we'd better stop then, huh?
First off, there's no such thing as a "former Marine," asshole. Second, you don't ask a Marine their opinion about medical care. You ask them how to kill the enemy with a pencil.
Most importantly, NO ONE IS PROPOSING A HEALTH CARE SYSTEM LIKE CANADA, you Glenn Prick / Fucks and Friends / Bill O'Really / Sean Insanity watching teabag licker. Why don't you right wingers ever get your facts straight? Are you really that ineducable?
Oh, never mind, I know. You aren't mentally handicapped, you simply don't WANT to get educated. You just want something to hang your racist outrage on, so you can screw up the courage to make a goddamn fool out of yourself in public by self-identifying as a dittoheaded invertebrate. You got your Palin-loving ass handed to you by a Muslim terrorist appeasing Negro of Kenyan citizenship named Hussein, and you just can't stand it, can you?
Meanwhile, the Canadians are laughing at us for paying twice as much as they do for medical outcomes 37th in the world, and then having the audacity of using them as a bad example. We pay multiple times what they do for the very same drugs, and thanks to the people you vote for who use "free trade" as a weapon to export our jobs, we can't re-import those drugs at those lower prices.
But right wing idiots wouldn't know all that because a "former Marine" is all they need to hear from. Oh, and the Fucks Noose Network.
Do us a favor: move to Texas so we have all the slow learners in one place. Just stay the fuck out of Austin.
I'm about to move to Texas for reasons unrelated. 2 thoughts...All Christian ideals should be written off because if you can't understand the basic notion of evolution without divine intervention then you are not intelligent. Secondly, I'm all for seceding but not because Obama is black or because they are trying to reform health care. The fact that we are the only non-third world country without universal health care is a JOKE. And I don't care if our president is Chinese as long as he isn't bought and paid for by the corporate banking system. However, if our government can't separate themselves from the influence of these greedy fucks then I'm either fleeing or jumping on the secession bandwagon.
Great fun watching life in the shallow end of the gene pool. Best reality show out there.
what complete fools.
Yes, please leave. You assholes already killed one of our greatest presidents. And you forced on us our worst president. Please, please leave. I'll even donate money to your cause.
I'm a yankee born and raised. I spent 7 years in the great state of Texas, and still have relatives there. There is no better city than Austin. I am proud to say that the vast majority of Texans are not mouth-breathing morons like these people.
These people ought to leave the USA, but where could they possibly go that would be like their apparent utopian ideal? Seems to me that they want a country ruled by religion. Wouldn't that be Vatican City and, well, some Muslim countries? Good luck with that!
Ship them off to an island. They can take all their guns with them and kill each other off. Don't let them back in, not even for a visit.
Just think... no more Bushes.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
If they succeeded they would probably be one of the richest states. Huge oil reserves in the gulf that wouldn't be owned by the US any more.
In all seriousness, it appears that these proponents of succession are a few IQ points higher than many of the posters here. They don't want to pay 40% of their income to bomb Pakistanis and pay offshore foreign banking cartels interest. For this you call them 'rednecks'? How ignorant do you sound. Look at issues and stop being marionettes, calling names like 5 year old bullies. Disgusting, no wonder they want to leave this country. We do need to press the reset, and if you don't agree with their method please propose another..Unless you think Nancy Pelosi is doing such a a great job.
Not everyone in Texas is a mindless, useless Christian idiot. How about you pay for their flight away from your stupid state, then all who remain can do whatever they want?
Secede. Kill yourselves. Do you really think America cares? And you can take Alaska with you.
Brainna,
Kilgore is not a Christian. Unfortunately, he appropriates the label, but his actions and teachings are so contrary to the Gospel that none should be confused.
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Isn't there any one of these idiots who are overreacting about the healthcare bullshit who are man enough to admit that this only has to do with the fact that they can't stand the idea of a black man sitting on the throne?"
Assuming this comment was written by one of these vile, nauseating, de-racinated, self-hating white liberals, I have this comment to offer:
Just exactly what sort of mental and psychological defect does one have to be born with, in order for that individual to be unable to grasp the dangers associated with allowing your race to be subjugated to rule by another race, and especially by a race that has a long history of animosity and grievances against your race?
I cite the former nation of Rhodesia as a prime example in this discussion.
Those whites who, like the self-hating white liberal poster, believed the Cultural Marxist baloney about egalitarianism - chose to remain in the new Zimbabwe because they stupidly thought that life would be no different under majority black rule than it was under white rule. The result? Zimbabwe, under black majority rule, has been transformed into a dung heap. People are starving, the infrastructure of what was once a shining outpost of White Western civilization has collapsed, and the hate filled black gangs have systematically slaughtered hundreds of those talented, White South African farmers who once kept the entire nation and large swaths of other African countries well fed during the bad-old days of 'apartheid'. Also, despite the tiny minority status of the remaining white population in Zimbabwe, the blacks who run the country have affirmative action laws in place that, guess what - that deliberately discriminate against whites in their nation and which give hiring and other preferences to blacks and which deny opportunities for whites.
So, Mr. or Ms. White Self-Hating Liberal - does race exist or not? Blacks and other non-white minorities obviously realize it does, and whenever they are on top - they always do everything possible to favor their own people. With this in mind, perhaps you might be able to explain to me why you think that whites, and only whites, should not be permitted to do likewise or why whites should not be opposed to being ruled by other hostile, dangerous and racially conscious races?
mnzr, Bush is not and was never a Texan.
I'm SO sick of you folks indicting the entire state of Texas for the actions of a very few idiots. Twenty-three million people live here, that's almost 10% of the entire population of the country. Two hundred people showed up for this stupid rally. Do you REALLY think that 200 people represent the thoughts of the other 22,999,700?
Bush is not and was NEVER a Texan and Rick Perry won over the objections of 61% of the voters. Don't blame the thinking people of Texas for the actions of a few ignoramuses.
Okay, I had a typo. Hit the 7instead of the 8 That would be 22,999,800
This piece is propaganda garbage. Interjecting "history lessons" skews what ought to be the objective reporting of facts.
History lesson 1: Washington so extremely seceded from his country (Britain) that he resorted to military action.
What a fallacy. Because someone is part of a union, he is against secession even though that same someone was a penultimate secessionist.
This is blatant trash journalism.
After Independence, 200,000 or so Tories together with their families and slaves left the 13 States for Canada and other parts of the British Empire. Where are they?
To all azzholes,Yes our government must go and now,what ever it takes I back it up 100% and ready to carry my M16 to fight those zionist bastards who call themselves FEDERAL.
For the conservative "tools" that hate the USA: Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord "split you".
What everyone seems to be missing is that the 200 people who advocated secession represent about the percent of people who actually want to secede. A large majority of us think that they need to have their noses wiped and made to sit in the corner until they are ready to behave in decent society.
I suggest that they would fill about one county somewhere in west Texas which would be a good place to put them and let that county secede from the rest of Texas and the US, too, for that matter. There is a town where Gov. Goodhair is pushing to have a nuclear waste dump that would be good for them. It seems that the citizens there already are overwhelmingly in favor of the dump which would put them in the same category as these numbnuts who want to secede.
Where were these " people" over the last 8 years when we needed them.
Scientists have discovered a cure for a clunker brain and there is a trade-in program where birthers and the flat earthers can get help.
I can't wait to leave this state. It's a hell hole.
Poor Luke:
Having a hard time dealing with the 21st century? So sorry to hear that. Maybe if you had studied harder in school and been able to get a decent paying job, you wouldn't be so hateful of the rest of the world.
Don't hate me because I am white and refuse to see every other shade of human being as inferior to myself. Hate me because I am more intelligent, educated, and successful than yourself, and see Obama as a well-qualified intelligent human being who also happens to be more intelligent, educated and successful than your sorry ass.
these folks are the best reason yet for mandatory, retro-active birth control...
the republican party in it's death throes, not a pretty sight
when i was but a lad, i was below average in stature...but, when confronted by a larger adversary i usually won by acting totally crazy, as if i had nothing left to lose...I think the republicans are at that point. they are a grave danger to our country and our way of life.
There are lots of good people in Texas...probably most of the people...but the freaky ones sure are a bunch of IDIOTS....
"Although the Texas independence movement is nothing new, observers say it has been given new life by the debate over health care, which some secessionists see as an attack on the US Constitution, and therefore grounds for abandoning the Union."
Except, there's nothing about the Health Care Reform bills (except mandating everyone have insurance, and that provision will be struck down in court) that are in violation of the Constitution. There is as much validity in thinking this violates the Constitution as there is in believing there are "death panel" provisions in them.
And Luke? stop dragging your knuckles and moved into an enlightened state of mind. What you fear is not "them", it's "you" because of how you know "you" treat others. Your abusive tendencies aren't the norm, nor are they healthy... that is, something is wrong with you; you should seek help and probably medication.
"Mexico is a modern, civilized country where citizens enjoy universal health care and are not tortured by the barbaric practice of capital punishment. Mexico, in fact, is worlds ahead of Texas on any scale of civilized behavior"
Are you serious !?!?! Shows how moronic some of you posters on here are.
Second off, these so-called "Christians" so not represent those of us who believe in being "Christ-Like"; besides there are alot of things wrong with the United States of America. It is not the same land we lived in 50 years ago. Some good; Some Bad; Some indifferent. As far as those that say any one black, white, Red, Yellow, skinned man is a certain way because of thier color is just SILLY. Might as well say if you got blue, brown, green, or any other color eyes you are a certain way. Or how about if you are poor, wealthy, or middle class you are a certain way. Shall I go on !?!?!
I thought not, There are changes coming some good, some we will have to wait and see what they are goign to do for us. Just all of you remember when you were 3 years old what you wanted all the time was not the best for you. And so it is still with AMERICANS in there 20's 30's 40's and so on. Unfortunately, people have learned how to make EXCUSES instedad of taking responsibility for thier ACTIONS. We have the 3rd strike law or different things that has brought this forth. And such actions that we have made in our past have and will affect our future. These decisions we make today may not affect today but it will affect tomorrow. PLEASE THINK ABOUT ACTIONS 100 years to come; think about your children when making decisions not just todays benefit.
I love reading the comments on this thread it shows how brain washed people are
These people are standing up for the rights you brained washed idiots are letting go of
do some research into the bills that are being passed and what these people are fighting for
Oh, and Luke, we're not "subjected to the rule of some other ethnicity" ( using the word "race" belies people's accepted ignorance in the matter, we're all the same species, same human race.. we're just from different cultures, different parts of the world.. and the word for that, your background, is ethnicity), we're a Democracy, our leaders are elected, not installed. I know the Shrub screwed all that up, and you're desperately afraid some "other ethnicity" will do what the Shrub did.. but that is why you should have been HONEST and PISSED in 2000 when the will of the people was thwarted. But, as we see, you're just too stupid for that.
To simplify for you, since you're clearly too stupid to get it on your own.. While Obama is "black", he's American, first. His skin color doesn't tell you his "current ethnicity" since he grew up in America, with American culture and values, not in the jungles of Africa. He's the same as you (well, except educated and and seemingly not terrified of the world).
"and especially by a race that has a long history of animosity and grievances against your race? "
and, as a side note.. this should teach you that abusing others is a bad idea. The black people in America have the animosity they do because people like YOU abuse them while you're in power. They aren't the problem, YOU are. Grow up and act like an adult and you wouldn't have to be so afraid all the time.
here's one guiding principle you might want to think about. If everyone followed it, this could be a great planet to live on.. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Simple. Elegant. And the one thing that can save the world as we know it.
I live in TX, but I am not a Texan. If they want to secede, then I'll pack and be out of here in 48 hours.
One just needs to understand that Texans represent what is, arguably, the worst in what we want to see. They lack a sense of fraternity. I understand that rugged individualism might have been needed at one time, but even then, the people had to come together to do many things, but a lot of the people here are just down right mean, narcicisstic, and haters. Yes, haters.
The problem with them seceding, however, is that they fail to understand that with the overwhelming and growing proportion of people here are Hispanic, with much of the proportion being illegal, and they would whip the white secesstionists within a couple of years and make it part of Mexico, which at times, it already seems to be.
Let's see....200 people out of 24,000,000. That's something like 0.000001%. Yep! We're in trouble now! I guess Texas should be forced to secede and to hell with the other 99.999999% of us right? Get a grip commentors. Regional bigotry is still bigotry. Why are the assholes in my state held against the rest of us when other states' residents aren't help responsible for thier obnoxious wingnuts?
"dave
Poor Luke:
Having a hard time dealing with the 21st century? So sorry to hear that. Maybe if you had studied harder in school and been able to get a decent paying job, you wouldn't be so hateful of the rest of the world."
I think it was one of my favorite comedians of yesteryear, Brother Dave Gardner, who once said that "a liberal was someone who was educated beyond their capacity". This 'Dave' fellow sure proves this observation to be right on the mark.
Speaking of 'education', regarding history - and the lessons that should be learned from it, if this self-righteous and obnoxious liberal idiot would bother to examine other historical examples of whites - anywhere in the world - allowing themselves to be ruled over by non-whites - what a studious individual would discover is that those whites were not long for this world.
Haiti is another recent example; when the French decided to free their black slaves - the smart Frenchmen and women got on the next ship back to France. The French who thought they're as smart as this Dave fellow thinks he is, stayed behind - probably feeling all 'noble' and 'superior' and 'altruistic' like your typical brain dead liberal always does - and guess what happened to those white French who stuck around in Haiti? Well, it wasn't too long before their former black slaves slaughtered them down to the last man, woman, and child. . But, don’t take my word for it. Google it and find out for yourself
Dave mentions 'studying harder in school', as if the public school system - dominated for decades by leftist slabs of human filth, filth who promote the deliberately false notion that 'diversity' and 'multiculturalism' is a strength and who also use their control over our academic system to brainwash whites into hating their own race - all part of the Jewish inspired effort to genocide people of European descent - if Dave thinks that the history books in our public education system would tell the truth about Rhodesia or Haiti or about any other example of how whites get slaughtered by non-whites, once non-whites get the upper hand - then Dave is clearly an imbecile.
The objective, Dave, is not to warn whites that it is dangerous and ill-advised to let themselves be subjugated to rule by minorities of other races. The objective is to keep whites in a permanent state of de-racination, to keep them in the dark about these dangers - the old boil the frog slow technique. And the eventual goal of all these scams being played on whites - is their extermination, their genocide.
Why, Dave sounds like he might be Jewish. His condescending attitude and arrogance sure fits the profile, because I've had on-going discussions about racial issues with other Jews on the web and his line of mis-reasoning follows the blueprint used by white hating Jewish bloggers.
Oh, one last piece of advice for Dave and for anyone else who refuses to grasp the truth behind this declaration of war being waged at white, Western European people and Western civilization. Read this excellent article on the history of Cultural Marxism by Linda Kimball and the blinders will fall from your eyes:
http://sanfransanity.blogspot.com/2009/07/what-is-cultural-marxism-anyway.html
Hint: The gig is up, Dave.
I'd love for the Pacific NW to secede and turn into Cascadia, it'd be great if we could get half our nations supply of nuclear warheads out of our faces as well, not to mention Hanford and thier military bases full of shitheads. Right wingers that love war and Jesus and left wingers give their full consent to war because they love having a black huy who isn't Bush in office can all go fuck themselves as far as I'm concerned.
Based on the way they treated Cindy Sheehan, I thought Texas was where all of the true "patriots" lived.
Guess I was wrong.
Honestly though, I know that these secessionists are just another "screeching minority" making noise like they are in control. The majority - which includes people I know (I once lived in Texas back in the 80s), do not think this way and are ordinary American citizens just like the rest of us.
If it were put to a vote, I would guarantee you that the majority of Texans would NOT vote for secession.
These people are given way too much publicity. They should be disregarded and ignored.
Please, just go!
They are countries you can go to, no one will stop you if you leave.
Please. you can't credit Rick Perry wit the idea of Texas secession. It's taught in schools. Perry is no more responsible for the concept than he is for improving education in Texas. He's a parrot.
texasaggie, I live in West Texas . . . don't send them out here. We don't WANT these idiots!
Send them out to Big Bend. Nobody out there but a lot of rattlesnakes and coyotes.
Not all Texans are as nuts as Rick Perry and this lunatic fringe...what I have a hard time understanding is why the Republican party and the news media push these few fanatics into the spot light and give their "foaming at the mouth" raving, any credence...if they really want to leave the U.S., they could just hop across the border (and never come back)...I'm sure the Mexican government would welcome them with open arms
Devoted bunch, all right. They stand under the shade trees because it's too hot in the sun to listen to speeches. I wonder how that level of conviction will play out when the "bloody war" kicks in?
Isn't that the Texas Libertarian Party folks I see? Thought so.
We do love a protest here in Austin, tho.
I went to the Pirates Rights protest at which the Zombies staged a counter protest, saying they were being forgotten.
THAT protest had a lot more than 200.
And the next time a hurricane hits Texas and wipes out half of the state they can fund their own recovery... they will be their own "Sovereign Nation", responsible for them selves, with their own private problems...watch them try to "annex" back into the "union" in case of a major disaster (in a New York minute) ..stupid asses...guess they have no idea, seceding also means NO Federal U.S. funds or "help" of any kind..(not even the "National" Guard)....Texans think they pay to much in taxes, now?, wait until they get no matching funds from the Federal Government, ( got your pony express ready to deliver your mail...?) my guess is these morons haven't got a clues how the Federal/State/County, etc., governments work...
Not all Texans are this stupid
I can't understand all this major resistance against proposed universal healthcare. It's certainly not enough to break away from the United States. There are far better reasons to secede such as - the IRS and income taxes, property taxes, funding for illegal wars and aid to foreign countries, illegal immigration, a growing police state in this country, etc. Of course, judge the source. Anyone who suggests execution for people who have a particular sexual preference has no place in American or any other free, civilized society. Perhaps this guy should just pack his things, get in a boat, sail out into international waters, and declare himself ruler of the next theocratic, Christian Taliban.
Olin Murrell, I'm so sorry about your son. I hope he wins his fight to regain his health. This is why we need universal health care, so our children and their children, our neighbours and our friends, won't have to face situations like these.
That said, Governor Goodhair needs a one-way trip to Mexico, together with these members of the lunatic fringe whom he was stupid enough to encourage. These people are troglodytes. They hate the USA? Fine, let them get the hell out. We don't need these haters in our borders.
It's "OK" to be treasonous...if the president isn't Republican, don't you know that???
Good riddance. The state of Texas is a drain on national resources - 2nd in population, yet 4th in their contribution to the GDP. Just like all the other red states.
Maybe if they secede, we can invade them and take their oil and throw them all in Gitmo as enemy combatants!
Time fer me to whip out my Bowie knife and cut through ya'll's Bravo Sierra...
First of all, those in the secessionist groups here in Texas all know that Larry Kilgore is an agent provocateur no different than Hal Turner. He is just an ugly mask the government is using to gather the most foolish while discrediting any legitimate organizations or even just individuals who can relate to what must be done.
Somebody here mentioned Ft. Hood. We Texans have no illusions why the most powerful and largest FEDERAL base was placed squarely in the center of our state. We also have no illusions about what the average soldier stationed there is thinking and why... Did you know that Dr. Ron Paul's largest money base was active duty soldiers? And that the main group of people who placed many a Ron Paul sticker in the area had Ft. Hood listed as their residence? Hmmm.... The local farmers in the area have openly invited those stationed at Ft. Hood t come out and hunt the local game, at no cost. Tomorrow starts dove season here, and 25 active duty soldiers will be on my farm alone tomorrow, most coming in the evening when they get off of duty. We will share some Texas BBQ and shiner beer after the weapons are secured. We will talk of politics and current goings on in our country, two things that I've noticed the current soldiers hold a great interest in.
Then October will roll around, and the even more devoted deer bow-hunters will show up, with even deeper conversations than the bird hunting only crowd, the on November 1st, comes the rifle deer season.... It's been like this since I could remember.
The soldiers have made their intentions VERY clear, many have family in other states, and intend to abandon their posts to be with their families to defend them.. Others have made a commitment within themselves on what to do when those unlawful orders come down to cut down their fellow Americans.. Let's just say more than a few officers are in for a nasty surprise(especially from fellow officers..).
Central Texas is absolutely electrified with the buzz of revolution, on both sides of this situation. All here have NO illusions that this area will be spared some of the worst of this coming conflagration. Weather it's the local feed store with the farmers, or any of the popular watering holes in the area (Graham Central Station, Wild Country in heights, Ernie's sports bar, etc.) or anyplace else, like the anti-war coffee bar "Under the Hood" just outside of East Gate(always filled with soldiers looking to put the damage of these wars on themselves into context, and the place stays crowded..), the topic of revolution hangs heavy in the air, especially with the soldiers, who know what terrible choices they will be forced to make, and the horrific consequences we ALL will perish under or live with for the rest of our lives... But they will talk to you about it, if they trust you, especially if they are your friend.
Did you think you could treat these guys AND girls the way this nation has and that all of us combat Veterans who settled around the base would not reach out and do our damnedest to help our wounded brethren? Nobody was there for them who understood. We found them ALL at the local bars, and they are easy to spot: Drinking themselves numb, crying in unguarded moments with a quick tear, quickly wiped away and replaced with raucous drunken laughter.. Gathering in small groups, their combat buddies, while their family life continued to degenerate back at the house.. Those huddles not speaking barely 10 words the whole night, because they are so in each others head that conversation is unnecessary. But share a drink or two, have a short conversation, and after they see where you're coming from(if where you're coming from is sincere.), and then you will see how much damage is "Under the Hood..". Two of my nearby neighbors survived the battle of Khe Sanh have told me that these kids today are more tore up than any Vet they've seen, same from some of the few WW2 Vets left who've talked with this current crop of soldiers. They definitely beat anybody I know from my era.
The older Vets got involved after what they saw at the pharmacy lines at Darnell Army hospital: Young soldiers outnumbering the old Vets of many eras, and taking away BAGS filled with dozens of prescriptions. A few finally asked what the heck was going on, and got some answers from the soldiers: Many of the soldiers are on enough anti-depressants, mood-stabilizers, and anti-psychotics to medicate a blue whale... You simply have to stay away from the "pill heads" as they are the ones who mindlessly do what they are told, without emotion. They've had all their emotion medicated out of them. The army also watches anybody who doesn't get on the pill wagon, they constitute the "threat" when homeland security was talking about returning Vet's returning and joining militia groups. They aren't too worried about the medicated ones, those folks are under complete control, and if they try to get their soul back by getting off the meds, they are the most likely to kill themselves... Pretty convenient, huh??
So keep on keeping on you idiotic thugs, you're tyranny of incompetence is crashing down, and there ain't a damned thing you can do about ANY of it!!! Good-riddance to bad rubbish.
This winter promises to be long and harsh.
Baa! BAAAAA! Little sheeple, have you any meat to pay the wolves?
Let them go. That's 34 electoral college votes we don't have to worry about going Republican.
Hey if they want to leave so bad the Federal Government should begin to remove all of its assets and close its military bases. I'm sure Texas can defend itself and complete a wall around itself.
"Anyone who suggests execution for people who have a particular sexual preference has no place in American or any other free, civilized society." - That's why we love Thomas Jefferson so much, he wrote the law that said men should be castrated for being homosexuals in 1778. For gay women, it was "by cutting thro' the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch diameter at the least.". Now that's some fucking apple pie for you, lets go bomb some kids and laugh.
99 percent of you that are opposed to secession now will change your tune in a couple of years. The United States as we know it is about to collapse much like the Soviet Union did in the early 1990s. It's coming whether you want it to or not. There's nothing you can do about it. The States will be left to fend for themselves. There is no money left, no jobs, and no solutions. Good luck to you all. Just remember, you have been warned. And, look, I'm no prophet. I'm just very aware of what's happening.
I am reading comments posted by some VERY uneducated people. Either that or they are SHILL's. Do you people really believe that you are still standing in the United States of America. I look around and see that the U.S.A is not the same place I was born in. It has changed in so many ways that it is barely recognizable as the once great nation that it was. WE have been taken over by parasites. The parasites will abandon their host (USA) once they have drained it of all it's assets. They will then find a new host country.... which they already have many. Take a look around folks, you have a Congress that no longer works for you although they are still being paid with your tax monies. Taxation without Representation... sound familiar? We are being ignored by OUR GOVERNMENT! That's not how it works folks. Wake up and educate yourselves while you can. Turn off that TV and do some READING.
Mexico would freak out having all these buck-toothed incest ignorant Texans
coming over the Border for Health care! Hahahehe actually the Plastic Blob
in the Pacific or Bikini Atoll would be great places to put the Texas Retards
to rasie the remaining retards where they could do NO MORE HARM!
Please contact me so I can help you misguided hatemongers to District 9
However South Africa would be pissed to have you morons / aliens but
hey when you gotta go you gotta go!
Please GO!
Brenda girl I can't stop laughing from your post of truth! Hahahhehe
Mexico would kick their COWARD butts in no time! Chabuka you funny
too & truthful! Keep talking! Mike great post as well!
Let's get these weasels! They don't have the FACTS ON THEIR SIDE!
These racist pricks had no qaulm whatsover when G.W. Bush was pissing all over the Constitution!! GW practically tore the 4th Amendment up and threw it in our faces, and not a f'ing peep from these knuckle draggers. Bush even said "its just a GD piece of paper", and not a peep from these idiots. Bush had american citizens hauled off and rendered to foriegn countries to be tortured....no lawyers, no due process, no legal rights whatsoever!! Yet not a peep from the right wing goon squads. Listening in to private US citizen phone calls...no problem! Reading private US citizens emails....no problem! Outing covert CIA agents for political game during a time of war....no problem!!
Oh....oh....but...but.....providing healthcare for all americans?? "Oh my god!!! The sky is falling. Our government is corrupt. We hate America...We must secede!!" Give me a fricking break. We all know the real reason you knuckle draggers are so pissed and angry! #1 - You lost the election. #2 - You lost to a black man. #3 - Your a racist!!
Please do secede! Go for it! The U.S government will come collect all the U.S. flags from your state. Close all of Texas' Army bases, Air Force bases, etc. We will close down all Coast Guard patrols along your gulf coast. We will build a wall along the Little Red River to keep you from crawling over our borders. And when you are invaded by Mexico or some other country, we will not come to your aid! As non-Americans, you will have no rights under our Constitution. When a hurricane wipes out your coasts, FEMA will not come to your aid. The Texas Longhorns and Dallas Cowboys will be banned from crossing our borders. The government will forcibly retrieve all its assets currently located in your state! All Texas residents who work for the federal government will summarily fired (there won't be any unemployment to collect.....sorry). All your veterans will lose their government provided healthcare! All Texas citizens will lose their Medicaid and Medicare benefits. U.S. highways and interstates in Texas will no longer recieve funding from the U.S. You will be cut from every thing that the government provides for its citizens! Go for it !!!
[...] Larry Kilgore, a Christian activist that the Texas Observer says has advocated execution for homosexuals, “drew some murmurs of disapproval” when he told the crowd: “I hate that flag up there. … I hate the United States government. … They’re an evil, corrupt government. They need to go. Sovereignty is not good enough. Secession is what we need!” READ MORE… [...]
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I live in Texas in Austin... I was there... I loath these people...
they aren't thinking about the bloody war EACH TIME A NEW FLAG FLEW OVER TEXAS! the don't remember the histories of their families OR THEY ARN"T EVEN FROM HERE!
I also loath the thoughtlessness and I think they really want a war over, A BLACK PRESIDENT! believe me all you got to do is stand your ground and if they get nuts call the police or walk away...
the only place your argument is going to end; is a fist fight.
I am NATIVE and not just born here..
though the history of this content, my family was born on this soil... and we love the Scottish and the Irish as well...
TO all SECESSIONISTS
IF YOU DON"T LIKE IT LEAVE...
my family history has seen too much blood shed over who calls texas what...
I will not play, My family history is the brutality of war...
revolutionary war
civilwar
blackhawk war
spanish american war..
etc..
ww1, ww2, korea, vetnab, iraq,
war on drugs... ect
texas sherriffs where successfully prosecuted in the 1990's san jacinto texas for waterboarding suspects...
and murdered women and children...
murdered farmers fur trappers, cowboys, share croppers...
and the 5 civilized tribes
slavery, massacres, natural disasters, hurricanes, invasions
and cheif bowles...
be careful what you ask for... bring this war to my door... and i'll have to remind you I AM TEXAS as well... and I do not want my family to shed its blood once again... we made it his far...
disrupting utopia is not the mission of god!
I believe the phrase coined in the Bush years can be used right back at those right wing crazies...."LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT"
PEACE OUT, LATER, GOOD RIDDANCE AND GOODBYE!
Seriously, I'm from Austin and born and raised in Texas. I love my state and my home but find my upcoming move to Maine quite refreshing when I think about how my oasis of blue (Travis county) gets swallowed by the sea of republican nut jobs. I can't fathom letting my children grow up in state that actually is pushing for creationism being a required teaching in SCIENCE CLASS let alone people that think patriotism is spouting out how you HATE the USA.
Texas, I love you but you need to get your head out of your ass already. The American majority spoke and we agreed that it's time for a change and that the status quo just doesn't cut it anymore.
If it wasn't for the United States, all of Texas "boys" would be raising hell in school to teach ENGLISH, and we would have bars named the "Chrome Peso" or a store for the elite called Neimaniez San Marcors. When you patriarcs learn how to read, try reading some HISTORY, you guys gathered in Austin should be aware where he was from, Stephen F., New York for Christ Sakes. Also, spent some time in a hell hole they call a jail down in Mexico. There's just too much colorful history to jump ship over a Health Care Bill, what do you care, anyway. What Bush passed "Part D Drug Plan" he did it for the Pharmacutical Companies, not the folks that I call U.S. citizens. Phil Gram,(R) had a lot to do with the condition we are in today, VAPORRIZED 401 ks. You had better start doing your Research and find our who is REALLY Attempting to alter this country, and when you DO find out your not going to like. If you don't think so, just tell me why I'm about to fall into the donut abyss 5 months before the end of the year and that had not happeded in the first two years that I had signed for. If you don't know I'll tell you, the gov't aren't allowed to negociate a fair price, and no, all new Rx, I had to pay for out of pocket and no other new Rx was neessary that would increase the time it would take to the infamous donut hole. Oh yea, you should ask about the 9 billions dollars that dissappeared and was classified to prevent obtaining the disposition thereof, all under Bush Buthead and Bevis Cheney's watch.
Now Secessionism looks strange. But do you know amount o federal gov. debt?
it is more than the World's GDP! Check it yourself from here
http://www.kwaves.com/debt.htm (click to the grpaph)
As you can see Obama's "bail outs" and other stuff has costed already costed about 20 Trillions (!) borrowed from future generations.
How will Federal gov. pay it?
HAving this in mind Secessionism might be not so stupid.
They didn't start this. Our government has ignored the 10th amendment for the longest time and there have been others as well, Obama doesn't even want to bring the fourth amendment back. They are and have been illegitimate once they started ignoring the constitution.
You poor pathetic people.......It`s not just a few resisters in Texas.....for every 1 of those brave people there are a hundred thousand more who feel the same but don`t have the guts to do or say anything.
I would like to see numerous states secede and leave the DC criminals left with their dicks in their hand. Let these idiots pay the bills they have run up on the backs of honest patriotic Americans. For the many idiots condemning the real patriots I have only this to say: I looked up Texan in the dictionary this morning and it said--a wetback that couldn't make it to Oklahoma!
Texans, please spare us all the nonsense and just leave now, now one who can think logically will stop you.
What the hell do they put in the water down there? Boobis Americanus looks like Einstein next to these whackos.
A Aldus Huxley wrote in 'Brave New World'; the people would come to lover their enslavement. Moreover, they would not be able to see it.
Only 3% of colonists fought the British whilst the rest supported King George or stood on the sidelines. The outcome was the inalienable freedoms they reclaimed for us and which are now being stolen.
The secessionists can see what the rest of the vitriolic writers here cannot.
The Constitution is being shredded. If there is no Constitution there is no Union.
George Bush even told you what the elites think of the Constitution. Out of his own mouth he said: "it's just a god damn piece of paper". That's your rights he was talking about. Your freedoms.
It's the Feds who have broken up the Union by undermining the nations sovereignty. The secessionists are just pointing it out to you. The King has no clothes.
Has anyone here read the Patriot Act? It's strips your constitutional rights.
The now tap your phones, read your emails and can inject you by force. Did you know this?
How about the recent passing of the Hate Bill? It strips your freedom of speech rights.
How about $700B given to the Federal Reserve to give to its friends and it would even tell Congress where it went? Is this right? Is this the America you think you live in?
How about a the privately owned Central Bank known as the Federal Reserve. It prints money out of thin air and Americans pay the interest on credit created out of nothing? This is the instrument of real control in America. It creates the money for both your credit and the government. Follow the money. It controls. It's not your elected officials. They just make the laws. Money controls.
Wake up people, you have no elected government. You do not live in a Constitutional Republican any longer whilst you are told by the controlled media it's a Democracy, when in fact we live in a Plutocracy. Government by a few rich elites.
Most of them aren't American and don't even live in America. These people are globalists. They care nothing of American sovereignty. They are the New World Order crowd. Don't believe me. Bush 41 glowingly identified them as the 'New World Order'. He told you. You didn't even bother to listen.
Don't take what I am telling you as the the truth. Find out yourself. At least do that will you before you write about what you do not know. The excuse for your ignorance is that you don't know what you don't know, but there is no justification for you ongoing blindness when you have been told.
Aldus Huxley was right. I fear for America.
Texas by treaty has the right to divide itself into five states...which would give the new entities ten Senators and add four more stars to the US flag....could very well spark a recovery in China...making new US flags to replace the old ones.
Obviously these people are lunatics - but don't forget we are a criminal nation - slaughtering innocents in (at least) two countries - stealing citizens money and paying it to criminal bankers - gov't run by a criminal mafia who work for themselves - criminal black ops operating world wide - etc. etc. etc. - Not saying succession is the answer - just be sure you know what the country you 'love' is really all about....
Man, we can truly see the the brainwashed idiocy of the majority of the posters here! No right to secession? Not one of you has ever read the constitution apparently! "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that amongst these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter, or abolish it."
Now, whether Obongo and his fellow illuminati puppets in Congress will attack seperatists that´s another story! Of course they will! And, all of you brainwashed morons will help. America has become the exact opposite of what it was twenty years ago, and ALL of the changes are for the worse, but most of you morons are too young to remember how great America used to be. So keep drinking the Kool-aid, your masters have great plans for you and your non-future!
Secession is the best option we have for a peaceful dissolution of the United States. The Federal Government was created by the States and delegated only certain specific powers. It has violated its charter, and become the enemy of the States, and of the people (except for those who love to oppress and steal from their neighbors through taxation.)
Wow. I didn't realize that so many people were so ignorant in Texas. To all the latest who added a comment, EVERY state has a right to secede. Are you familiar with the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. We have a right to "start over" with a new government. Where are you morons from, Russia, Iran or China?
Well all the listings prove one thing--Obama has done a good job in dividing our country worse than it has been since the Civil War. Poster Rockefeller has it right. The left and right are in this together and they're both out to destroy our country.
My ancestors saved America but we get tired of saving it ever dam year,so we better just opt out and get independent.Ancestors included Edmund Randolf and charles Carroll and pocahuntas.
Brandon
"Mexico is a modern, civilized country where citizens enjoy universal health care and are not tortured by the barbaric practice of capital punishment. Mexico, in fact, is worlds ahead of Texas on any scale of civilized behavior"
Well said. US good luck to you.
Hated Americans link bellow is for your eyes only.
http://www.guernicamag.com/spotlight/1207/the_last_temptation_of_wendell/
I read as many of the idotic comments here as I could stand. People get a grip. there is no "America". Every State at it's core is already separate Country, That's why it's called the 'united states" note the non use of capitalization there. Each should assert that fundemental fact. When Gov. becomes tyrant the the people have the right and the obligation to abolish such a thing. Read the Declaration of Independance
The only people that will leave are those that won't be at peace with Texas being independent from a corrupt country.
There are thousands of people in Texas ready to call it quits. So don't be surprised when it happens because you thought ol' Russ Limberger was going to announce it while you drank coolaid and watched him. Then of course there are all the Obama coolaid drinkers too. Hey, here is an idea why don't you all get together, your all delusional.
The reality is that the country is a fascist regime, and out of control. You all haven't got a clue do you?
If Kilgore is a Christian, count me out as not one because I just don't like the idea of wanting to kill people who aren't like me. I don't think Jesus believed in the death penalty. If he did, then he wouldn't have stopped people from killing that prostitute, and prostitution was an offense punishable by death. If Kilgore isn't a Christian, then what is he anyhow? Is he ... dangerous?
Brianna said, "Does it surprise anyone that Larry Kilgore is a Christian?"
Most Christians aren't like Larry Kilgore, even the ones who believe that it's a sin to be gay.
Putting gays to death was part of the Old Testament covenant. Christians are supposed to be loving toward everyone, whether they agree with them or not.
Strange But True: Israel, whose right to exist is based on the Old Testament, has Gay Pride Parades in Jerusalem. Go figure.
So everyone is saying "let's help them pack" Tell me this, pack what? Do you think they are going to pick up the state at the borders and walk off with the state... do you people even think before you type? Others are calling Texan's names and go ahead and get lost and we don't want you blah,blah,blah... Why are you taking the words of a few hundred people and discarding the other millions of good hard working Americans/Texans? Saying good riddance? pfft... i say Texas keep Ft Hood and take some of those tanks and drive them up those posting jerks ass! What a bunch of conceited losers, no wonder Texas wants to leave the union, look in the mirror... you are all alone!
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Let the whole South secede.
most of these comments are posted by paid shills.
anyone that can't differentiate between the "US" and the "USA"
doesn't have the intelligence to post on this topic.
I'm not going to name call people who have the right to voice their opinions- after all, don't we all recognize the constitutionality to do so? If not, your hypocrites and use the constitution only when it suits you! At least they had the guts and fortitude to leave their comfy couches and homes and go out and try and do something about all this mess instead of talking cheaply on the computer.
Get involved, write your reps, call your reps, get out in the sunshine and yell.
United we stand- divided we fall!
Many in Texas still believe in the Homstead Act. Fact is, the Fed has waaaay overstepped the Constitutional rule of law. They will come in and take your kids and your guns...
One thing is sure, both Dallas and Houston exist as a mecca for consummerism, yet we will never rebuild the country according to the pre- 9/11 model.
Popularizing the topic of true 'self-sufficiency' is possibly the only hope gven our nation's self-indulgent state of affairs.
So many supporters of the nascent Marxist dictatorship headed up by the Usurper-In-Chief have posted here. The best thing that could happen for this country is to round up all you vermin and send you off to Russia, China, Cuba, Venezuela and Iran where you can join the rest of the America-haters. Left-Wing Scum!
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I am amazed at all the comments here from people who are critical of those who have had enough of the lies, corruption and slow death of our once proud, educated and wealthy country. It seems the majority is willing to just bend over and take it no matter the increasingly impossible position because these Federal crooks and killers will NOT stop until you are all drugged, sick, broke and homeless. Just read the critical comments from those who love to be slaves. For God sake people, do some research, the Federal Reserve is NOT Federal and has a "reserve" of nothing! It is a private banking cartel. The Federal Government is a corporation that has been controlled under RECEIVERSHIP since the United States went broke in 1933 created admittedly by the ....guess who.....THE FEDERAL RESERVE! Get with the program you dumb down fools and support those who have enough brain cells left to understand JUST HOW SCREWED WE ALL ARE UNDER THE CURRENT SYSTEM!
Captain Crunch got his Count Chocula-ed
i really can't see why a federal system is better than a confederacy. truly independent states, with an ability to easily immigrate between them, means more freedom, doesn't it? ruby ridge, waco, the possible assassination of senator paul wellstone, the apparent false-flags in oklahoma city, and on 9/11 ... would these have happened without the current corrupt, all-powerful federal government? things have gone far astray in the united states. maybe breaking up the union wouldn't be such a bad idea. if you're a super liberal, go to massachusetts and you're in heaven. if you're a conservative, go to texas. if you're a yuppy, go to california! haha
What's worse Kilgore's speech or rape of America in broad daylight:
onday, August 31, 2009
Being Born Subject to a Foreign Power, Obama Cannot be President and Military Commander
Having just won a revolution, the Founders were faced with constituting a new nation. Under the constitutional plan devised by the Founders, they had to identify who were the members of the new nation. They called these members “citizens” of the United States. Thus, they created our first generation of United States “citizens.” These persons were either born abroad or in the British colonies before July 4, 1776 or abroad or in the new States thereafter, but in all cases inhabited one of the colonies or States and were loyal to the American revolution. The Founders under Article II grandfathered these original “citizens” to be eligible to be President. Under this plan, once the new nation had its first generation “citizens,” it was placed in position to have in the future its Article II “natural born Citizens,” who would be born in the United States after the adoption of the Constitution and descend from mothers and fathers who were both original “citizens.” Given that America was already a land of immigrants and that the Founders expected that many more immigrants would come to its shores in search of a new life and to share in its vast resources, they gave Congress in Article I, Sec. 8, cl. 4 the power to naturalize aliens and thereby create more future first generation United States “citizens.” Having become a naturalized “citizen,” one would then be in a position to procreate with another “citizen” (born or similarly naturalized) a “natural born Citizen” who would be eligible to be President.
Throughout American history, there have been no doubts or disputes as to who is a “natural born Citizen.” As we have seen, it was not English common law but the law of nations that became United States common law that defined a “natural born Citizen.” [Link to Prior Article on The Law of Nations and The Principles of Natural Law] It defined such a citizen as being born in the country to parents who are themselves citizens. It is this definition which our United States Supreme Court incorporated into our federal common law. It is this definition that creates subsequent generation “citizens” who are “natural born Citizens.” They are subsequent generation because born in the country to a mother and father who are citizens.
On the other hand, throughout our history, there have been doubts and disputes as to who may be a born “citizen” (as distinguished from a “natural born Citizen” or a naturalized citizen). These disputes have concerned the question of whether to be a “citizen,” must a child be simply born on U.S. soil and be subject to its jurisdiction, without any reference to the citizenship of the parents (jus soli which follows the old English common law), or must that child also be born to U.S. citizen parents (jus soli and jus sanguinis united which follows the law of nations’ definition and which any way only applies to “natural born citizens”). This dispute has concerned the question of whether we should declare a child a first generation “citizen” (in effect having the same status as one of the original first generation “citizens” which Article II grandfathered to be eligible to be President). The dispute has not been with whether we should declare that child a subsequent generation “natural born Citizen.” The Fourteenth Amendment settled who could be a “citizen” by bestowing such status upon those born in the United States or naturalized here and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. “Citizens” who meet this Fourteenth Amendment definition can be either first or subsequent generation United States “citizens.” If first generation, they are simply “citizens.” If subsequent generation, they are not only “citizens” but also “natural born Citizens.” Congress has also declared who may be a born “citizen” through legislation and has thereby not only confirmed what is already stated in the Fourteenth Amendment but has also granted citizenship to children born out of the United States to U.S. citizen parents (one or two). Senator McCain, being born in Panama, falls into the two United States-parent category. The question of whether foreign-born children, born to two United States parents and thus falling in this category (by definition they would be subsequent generation “citizens” but not born in the United States) are “natural born Citizens” has not been resolved by any Court. If such a child were born to just one United States citizen parent, he or she would not only acquire the allegiance and loyalty of the nation on whose soil he or she may be born but also that of his or her foreign parent’s nation and thereby further compromise his or her claim for “natural born Citizen” status.
A study of citizenship and nationality case law, statutes, treatises, and other sources shows that one acquires allegiance and loyalty through citizenship. Obama has admitted that under the British Nationality Act 1948 when he was born, his father was a British subject/citizen and not a U.S. citizen and that he himself was a British subject/citizen by descent from his father. Therefore, what is clear and established by his own factual admissions is that Obama cannot satisfy the definition of an Article II “natural born Citizen,” for he was born with allegiance and loyalty not only to the United States (assuming he was born here) but to the same degree also to Great Britain. The best that Obama can be is a Fourteenth Amendment “citizen,” assuming that he was born in the United States and assuming that one born subject to a foreign power can also be born subject to the full and complete legal and political jurisdiction of the United States. In such a case, he would be a subsequent generation “citizen” through his American mother but only a first generation “citizen” because of his foreign father. If Obama was not born in the United States or if being born in the United States he was not born subject to its jurisdiction, then he is not even a “citizen” under the Fourteenth Amendment or any applicable Congressional Act. Hence, we can see that Obama is missing the mandatory Article II constitutional status of being at a minimum a second generation “citizen” through both a citizen mother and citizen father. What creates further allegiance and loyalty problems for Obama is that his birthright British citizenship, which continues in effect until today, also allowed him to gain Kenyan citizenship from the age of 2 to the age of 21 or 23. Being 47 years old when he was elected, just his Kenyan allegiance and loyalty occupied him for almost one-half of his then life span.
It is Obama’s being only a first generation U.S. citizen because of his father not being a United States citizen at Obama’s birth that caused his divided allegiance and loyalty at birth (United States v. British and Kenyan) and disqualifies him to be President and Commander in Chief. It is through his father that Obama was born with allegiance and loyalty to Great Britain (which continues until today), which then converted to allegiance and loyalty to Kenya. It does not matter that his mother was a United States citizen because at birth Obama inherited allegiance and loyalty to a foreign power (Great Britain) from his father just as he would have inherited allegiance and loyalty to a foreign power if born to parents who were both non-United States citizens. By Obama’s mother being a United States citizen at his birth, Obama was just spared acquiring even another foreign allegiance and loyalty. Just like a naturalized citizen who--despite taking an oath renouncing all foreign allegiances and loyalties and which incidentally Obama has never done--cannot be President because he or she is born with allegiance and loyalty to a foreign country, Obama, born with allegiance and loyalty to a foreign country, also cannot be President. All this leads to the inescapable conclusion that Obama is not an Article II "natural born Citizen" and is therefore ineligible to be President and Commander in Chief of the Military.
Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
185 Gatzmer Avenue
Jamesburg, New Jersey 08831
Posted by Puzo1 at 5:28 PM
Labels: 14th Amendment, Apuzzo, constitutional eligibility president, dual nationality, Kerchner, natural born citizen, Natural Law, naturalized citizen, The Law of Nations, Vattel
Ah'll just a be a mosy'in' along, now. Ya'll come back soon, y'heah?
Feel free to grab onto one guy and stereotype all of us cowpokes, y'heah?
Oh wait, I'm a feelin' a hootin' and a hollerin' a-comin' on!
Yeeehaawww!
Nah, we don't want to secede. But try to come n' get our guns, and that
would end badly for you.
Reading all of these nonsense comments, I guess y'all here forgot the fact that each state, and this also includes people within the state in question, has the right to voice their opinion and execute their constitutional rights. Period
If Jesus Christ returned to Earth tomorrow and found himself in Texas, he would be lynched and dragged behind a truck by fundie Christians. Then they would all take the little gold crosses off their necklaces and replace them with little gold nooses.
hey number 54
we were here first! ya thats right , us rightwing nutjobs. our kind of people are the one that founded our country and fought for it. your the typical scumbag that sits on fence and does nothing but backseat drive a failed concept. i hope you aregbowman eliminated during the next civil war.
texas sucks!
http://file2.ws/history3
When I first came down to Texas on a military contract (yeah, I'm one of those "damn yankees" who stayed, from the same state as that nitwit former pres. W. who was born in connecticut like me), I worked on a military contract with a partner who was somewhat of a redneck and secessionist. He once replied to me " we can make this F16 plane, we don't need you damn yankees", to which I responed "see how well it flies without that Pratt and whitney engine made in connecticut". Just an example of thier thinking.
I love Texas but I also love america, all the states matter and are stronger and better off as the whole than as individual units, albeit, the sum is greater than all it's parts added up. The Union (that's right union, NOT confederacy), of America is tthe greatest system of government ever set up (by our founding fathers in NEW ENGLAND), it's what makes the USA the greatest nation on earth and I don't think most americans, like myself, want to change that.
Too early for secession. Continue to organize at grassroots level for ALL possible eventualities. You'll know when secession is called for if the government declares martial law or otherwise acts to further restrict civil liberties. Patience is the mother of independence, not subservience. Give them a chance, then look for the whites of their eyes.
Raw Story: You Suck! Not a single posting supportive of secession or curious about its underlying causes. Your views on censorship, I guess, are typical of the slanted anti-first amendment liberal mind set I despise, and why I don't vote for Democrats. So open-minded! You'll love the well-edited nanny state that's coming. Be sure to get your ducks in a row though. And that hit piece you did on Alex Jones a while back, linking him to Von Brunn--my God (oops! not on this site)! It topped everything I would have expected from Fair and Balanced on a hot day. You know them, of course...sure you do. I mean why be real reporters when you can offhandedly attack stereotypes and public pariahs, right? Of course, Fuck You. Of Course. In every nook and cranny of your perverse world view...
I'd be very suspicious of anything Rick Perry supports. He is a globalist who has pushed the superhighway and North American Union, aided in privatizing TxU for the exclusive benefit of international banking firms and in general selling off the assets of Texas. He attended the Bilderberg meeting in Istanbul in 2007. He alsio tried to push mandatory vaccines, forcing the Gardicil vaccine on young girls and women after taking $$$ from Merck Pharmaceutical. There was a hue and cry over that, though. Did you give the money back to Merck Mr. Perry? That's just for starters. A very unsavory character.
I agree with denmason. Either the majority of those posting here are far more ignorant than those they seek to denigrate, or you are shills. Certainly you must see this is not America any longer. If Canadian health care is so great, why do wealthy Loonies come here for treatmen?. Do you ever hear of someone from this country going to Canada for treatment? General Motors just announced a joint venture with a Chinese company to build light trucks, over there! Something they can't produce here, at a profit! Think about it. $293 million dollars spent overseas, and to no benefit to us. On the other hand, the Canadian economy is growing, while Obama is killing ours. Canadian banks are sound and solvent, because they didn't believe in loaning money to people who wouldn't be able to repay them. Secession may be the only way out for a lot of people, if we are to keep this grand experiment alive for future gnerations.
dONT forGEt to take tHAT sf BUSH WITH YA WHERE EVER YOU are heading out to..
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People, people, calm down....if you drive those Texans away, what will become of Springer....he'll be letf with an empty stage...
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More mention of Ft. Hood... That's not the only base, but it is by far the largest, it is in fact the largest American base in the world. Some of us Texans have seen the base for what it is since they opened it: An occupational army. I grew up in it's shadow, and have seen the graves of the farmers and their families who rose against the expansion of then camp hood shortly before WW1... The government literally stole the land, and left the hardworking farmers homeless and broke, as they paid 1\100th what the land was worth, and nothing for the livestock. The Farmers who lost the most fought the hardest, the rest just tried to stay ut of it, while supporting their friends and family as best they could.
It is an insurrection that only those with long ties to the area know about, the government was thorough in suppressing this dark history...
Unfortunately for the many outraged liberals posting comments, you aren't yet allowed to jail or kill people you dislike.
The other unfortunate thing for you is that those hated/hateful Christian 'Monkeys' have far greater numbers than you credit. Such a secession as many of you propose would probably bisect the United States, leaving the 'Christian Monkeys' with control of the food supply and the left coast's water (the Colorado River via the Hoover dam). Also, considering those 'retarded rednecks', a racist term so many of you cherish, tend to be the ones enrolled in the various military branches, who exactly would protect you? I guess you wouldn't need protection because you'd ban guns, knives, sticks, stones, etc....
P.S. Kilgore's attitudes are approximately the same as the Hispanics that you would be left with, though perhaps he is actually LESS extreme.
Too bad most of you are asleep and dumb to what is really going on, and How America is brainwashed by our controlled media (96% owned by 6 corporations). Why don't you quit watching Jerry Springer and American Idol and start doing your own research. Can any of you describe the Federal Rerserve system and how it came into being? I really doubt it but I'm sure you can tell me who won last year's American Idol, the Superbowl, and the World Series.
The states formed the US gvmt, not the other way around. if they don't follow the constitution we have the right to use the 10th ammendent to succeed.
You fucking overactive retards are saying things like "wahh gtfo n take the whole bible belt with you! wahhhhh" Retards, its 200 people maybe... out of 24 million+ people....
Do the math and realize proportionally your state might have a higher percentage or similar one of secessionists or radicals. Who cares, don't we have the right to voice our ideas and opinions?
For example my belief is that all religious people should be executed (much to the opposite proposition that "larry kilgore" wants to enact). I guess it is your right to freak out and act like a douchebag on the internet but think about it a minute before you lump a whole state together on the basis of an internet article about a minuscule minority of people.
Fuck off, and good day.
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I spoke with some people who have been in the Texas Prison system. That is a gross slavery system with state ordained torture on top of that. Some say we need to prune to branches, others say we need to guide the growth of the plant. Statism needs to be uprooted, period. Texas, the USA or a new sovereign state is not your friend. They exist for it's own power base. We either come together for the big picture or we have no picture. It is true YOU are owned by the state. And they and their agents are going to take everything. In the last few years they stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from YOU. Take the social capital, take the infrastructure capital, take the psychological capital and BANK IT, in their banks. Those 200 or how many there are, at least they are doing something. Most of the USAers have traded their soul for a beer or joint or the next important exciting mini-series and are asleep. Get a grip! WAKEUP!
I can't believe so many Americans don't understand what these people are doing. The U.S. gov't has become an outlaw and enemy to the Constitution. Without the Constitution, we are all slaves to the State. Wake up you idiots! You are not being 'patriotic' by mindlessly serving a bunch of criminals who have taken over the government! This country is already doomed because of servile 'robo-citizens' like all of you!
All kidding aside, if the comgress keeps it up and the central bankers devalue our money by 70% as Mr. Bernanke suggest . I would not be surprised if the States recall their represenatives and form new countries. At least a more reasonable option to the rummers we are hearing. Charles
A whisper here, a murmur there, a rumble we all feel just under our feet.... These things come suddenly when they actually start, but like all large things, they have plenty of warning if you are paying attention and understand basic human nature.
This will NOT be easy, on ANYBODY.
EVERYBODY will lose more than they can bear to lose.
PAIN will be common, SURVIVAL will be difficult. Comfort will be UNHEARD OF.
NOTHING will be familiar.
Early on, BETRAYAL will be common, and know by all.
LOSS of loved ones will become commonplace.
Katrina was just a mild warm-up for what will sweep across this nation and the rest of the western world.
This current president is not the only to blame, he only shares the guilt with every president from lincolin to him, though some shoulder more blame than others, wilson, fdr, reagen, both bushes, and the current one. Let's not forget the banksters, and their deadly rapier, the FED RESERVE.
The above offenders are only half as guilty as the main culprits: YOU and your WILLFUL IGNORANCE.
It is too late to prepare, nearly too late to escape. As far as escape, just think of how welcome the average American will be in most foreign lands... Good luck with that. (Hint: think nick berg.)....
The next 3 generations will HATE most people born from 1920 until the start day of the now unfolding conflagration.. As soon as they see how old you are they will talk to you like the worthless idiot you probably are.
Most of the world will celebrate Americas demise, but their parties will be overshadowed by the collapse of their own systems. (There, does that kiss from daddy take some of the sting away?.. Didn't think so.)
The hardest times will be the next 3 years, if you make it to 2013, you are VERY lucky, VERY smart, and VERY resourceful. If you aren't ALL THREE OF THESE THINGS, you will NOT survive. It will be a miracle if over 60% of us are around to see christmas 2013, the best present you can get that year is your life and the lives of those you care about.(That is true for ANY christmas, but in 2013, we will all TRULY appreciate that fact.)
Anything you tell yourself contrary to these dark outcomes are just lies you use to comfort you and yours from what your eyes, ears, and bank accounts are telling you. The lies pouring out of your television no longer match what you see around you, only the most stupid of idiots cannot see the disparity anymore. If you continue in your willful ignorance, if you continue to "go along to get along.", you will be the LEAST likely to survive what is coming. We MUST face the reality that has long been hidden from us, by our willful ignorance. We MUST take responsibility for what we have done wrong for so long as a people.
I'm confident that not nearly enough of you have the COURAGE, or COMMON SENSE left to appreciate what I say here, that is how I know what will happen soon. The WILLFUL IGNORANCE so many of you are afflicted with is why the coming years will become the darkest chapters of human history.. In the darkest hour of your suffering you will wonder who to blame.. If you want to see the most offending culprit, look into a mirror. Every morning I find just as guilty of a person in my mirror as well...
Seen2Much is right - probably the wisest one on here. The US is NO more. There are so many government shills on this site, and man is it easy to spot them.
They must be worried, however, as they are trying harder than ever. If anyone thinks this is simply about Black President Obama, or the proposed ObamaCare Eugenics program, then they've forgotten about the fact that the banksters have stolen nearly $30 Trillion of freshly printed money, bought up assets, moved it offshore, and expect YOU to pay for it. Forever and ever. Oh and maybe taken your jobs, house and truck(s).
Just wake up. It only hurts for a little while. Then you can take that anger and aim it directly at the cause of the problem, not your neighbours and countrymen.
As usual, comments on left leaning sites have the foulest of mouths, and the most seething hatred. Do you people ever consider the hypocrisy you show?
As to leaving the US, it is because of liberal, worshippers of the state, that many would want to go. You all want to be enslaved and are being duped into believing that your so desired lord and master STATE, will care for you and yours. How ignorant of not only ALL of the history of mankind, but of human nature itself.
Furthermore, I would love to leave this cursed nation. I live in Detroit (most liberal city in the US according to a recent study) and you see where all the "liberal" state worship has led us. We are a toilet of a city. It is utterly disgusting to drive around here.
Finally, for those of you who say leave, to what nation would I go? Even remote, South Pacific Islands have incredible immigration restrictions. I know, I've checked.
The nations have all gone the way of evil. All is being prepared for the Antichrist. He is coming and he will meet all your needs. You will all love him and rejoice in his wonderful, but hidden, plan for you - burning in the Lake of Fire.
WHO WANTS TO MAKE RICK PERRY--KING? NOT ME!
The entire idea of secession so that the current corrupt group of lunies can extend their egos and plans all the way to Mexico is frightening. I live in a little town where the local muni judge is a corrupt cracker that rounds up citizens and fines them for all kinds of ridiculous things so that he can pay his own salary. Then DPS which is thoroughly infiltrated with goose-stepping 4th Reichers who want to do what Rick tells them backs up the municipal and county courts by not permitting people to get their driver's licenses until they pay outrageous fines--half the time for nothing. I think that rather than secede, it is time to clean things up in Texas and across the country.
The first thing that needs to happen is to defund the Dept of Homeland Security and use that money to find and remove all the remnants of the pusch under Bush that is being carried forward under Obama. Next, it is time to redefine the military role in this country. Our forefathers wanted a militia that was pulled together when the occasion required the DEFENSE OF OUR COUNTRY. They would be having heart attacks over the idea of a military that is used to secure advantages for multinational corporations. They would be horrified at the use of the military to administer vaccinations at gunpoint, particularly of a vaccine whose efficacy and safety is not proven. We need to shut down the 800 plus bases overseas, bring our people back home and begin rebuilding this country beginning with going back to the taxation that our forefathers intended. They meant to keep multi-nationals under control by taxing them...not giving them tax breaks to send jobs overseas.
We also need our military to help all of us put the people who have acted in a treasonous manner towards this country into jail.
We need to redefine state, federal and local government to meet our needs not remake citizens to meet the government's needs. That includes demanding to know why our country has enormous amounts of money OFFSHORE earmarked as privately held funds for the government. Those of you wondering what I am talking about, just research CAFR (Consolidated Annual Financial Reports). The CAFR is the real financial reports of the US and state governments.
Also check out benjaminfulford.typepad.com His latest blog discusses "government ownership" of up to 70 percent of the Japanese GDP. What he is talking about is the government of Japan actually running for profit activities using government funds to start them and then creating laws to force people to use those activities with the profits going into accounts that are hidden from the people. Also, these activities have profits and dividends that are usually paid to higher ups in government.
We need to get rid of all the secrecy...all of it. That means no more NSA, CIA, DHS, FBI, DIA and military intelligence conducting any operations of any kind domestically or abroad that the PEOPLE don't know about. We go back to a militia system where the control is in the hands of the people via their governors. MARTIAL LAW IS OUTLAWED PERMANENTLY AND THE INTERNMENT CAMPS ARE ONLY USED FOR CORRUPT POLITICIANS, PUBLIC SERVANTS, THEIR LACKEYS AND ASSIGNEES.
WE REVERSE ALL privatization of government activities because why should we pay a profit on activities that we need? IT is stupid.....let's reduce what is done for us and make sure that what is done is run by our government with strict control by us. No more exempting Congress from FOIA requests. No more big mansions in Washington...they live in a dormitory like they did in the earlier years of the Republic and they come home on the weekends.
If we simply reduce the activities of our state and federal governments to just what we need from them and stop all the siphoning via these government-owned businesses that don't pay dividends to the people who actually financed them (you and me), then we can cut all the taxes across the board. We can restructure government to make it more accountable to the people and stop the use of citizens as the government ATM.
I don't want to secede, I want to see succeed and I want that for my children and their children.
There is an old but true saying, "Other states were carved or born, Texas grew from hide and horn"!
The healthcare debate woke a few people up, and like anybody aroused from a coma, it is to be expected that at first they will be a bit disoriented and a bit confused. But they are waking up. The healthcare debate was poorly timed. After the bailouts and subsequent corporate graft, the healthcare power grab was a poorly timed insult to injury.
The REAL fun is going to be with cap and trade... Far and away the LARGEST tax hike ever foisted upon all levels of Americans. Once passed, the average electric bill of $100 will skyrocket to $300!!!!!! hope you got $150 to fill up that sub-compact... And just wait until you see your grocery bill!! Of course inflation will be flat, since those numbers don't make it into the inflation report..
The sad part is that it is all just a ruse to hide some VERY critical facts that if the public became aware of too quickly would rocket sled us straight into social chaos. PEAK OIL occurred sometime in the last 36 months. PEAK CREDIT burst at the start of this mega-depressi... Oops, I mean bad recession. PEAK LIVING STANDARD popped this year for Americans. Hope you know how to live in third world conditions, the slums of mumbai would be a good place to look to see what we are up against.
We need TRILLIONS of investment, PRIVATE AND THEREFORE EFFECTIVE INVESTMENT(government just wastes too much) in OIL ALTERNATIVES!!! Alternatives that don't cut into food production!!! But OOOOOH NOOOOOO!!! We gotta spend the money trying to zombify a dead financial system, we gotta keep the goldman sachs boys and their ilk at the feeding trough... BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO BIG TO FAIL, AND THE REST OF US ARE TOO WORTHLESS TO SURVIVE!!!!!!
Baa!! BAAAAA! Little sheeple, have you any meat to pay the wolves?
(I'm confident that not nearly enough of you have the COURAGE, or COMMON SENSE left to appreciate what I say here, that is how I know what will happen soon. The WILLFUL IGNORANCE so many of you are afflicted with is why the coming years will become the darkest chapters of human history.. In the darkest hour of your suffering you will wonder who to blame.. If you want to see the most offending culprit, look into a mirror. Every morning I find just as guilty of a person in my mirror as well...) Quote
Well said.....
Once you're on the train headed for the FEMA camps, (don't be alarmed by those in handcuffs in your boxcar), it just might be easier to change your mind about the role of government control in your life. It might also change your view of Christianity, morality and the life hereafter. Doing something about it though at that point in time could prove to be more than you bargained for. So you might as well just enjoy the train ride. Maybe they'll let you use your cell phone to call your attorney before the train gets to the gas chamber. You think??? But then if they've injected you or helped you breath or consume something that makes you docile, you probably won't care anyway. You'll just be serving your beloved country by dying so that you won't consume anymore food or cause any more pollution. Just be sure to say goodbye to your family if the brown shirts, blue hats etc... give you a chance before you board the train or plane as the case may be.
If these secessionists are hating the debt of the usa so much... just know your grandma's medicare, grandpa's social security, your love of flushing the potty, how about protecting the border from the wet backs you hate so much, how about all the military bases that give you JOBS... and CONTRACTS, what about ports and airports...
Just think about tariffs, and trade embargo's... what would your wife say if she could not buy tampons... HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IF THE MONEY IS GOOD!
What about hurricanes... and server weather, tornado's who is coming to help...
who's your friend in this world...
It is quite refreshing to see how open mindedness and tolerance is alive and well in USA.
hey you leftist assholes, how is it going with ending the wars, closing GITMO, repealing the patriot act, ending warrantless searches and secret CIA prisons.
oh wait...all those things still exist, way to fucking go. you really "changed" the system didn't you. pathetic that you're all still stuck in partisan bullshit and blind hatred for the "right wing" when your own party is just as shitty as the neocon republicans.
"Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right."
-H.L. Mencken
Wasn't it these same type of people who moaned that Michelle Obama was being unpatriotic when she said she was ashamed of her country, now they are going to secede from it - doesn't sound awfully patriotic to me seems like a case of the pot calling the kettle bla...
maybe I should find a more political correct aphorism, but you get the idea.
Amanda,
It amazes me that you have an opinion without bothering to read what people are saying on this forum. BTW, the only people who really are entitled to say, "Love it or Leave it," are the Native Americans. Your take on the budget is completely wrong. worldreports.org Find it. Read what that man has to say. He has had his site taken down at least twice by the NSA under Bush.
BTW, Texans were very vocally against Bush's antics in the White House...but the media did not report it.
Jay, I am assuming that you are an Illuminati/freemason/neonut who views everybody who is not You or your cronies as "useless eaters." Let me tell you something little buddy, plan to be on that train with all the good folks that you obviously despise because once the One World Order monsters pack off the rest of us, they won't need your toadying compliance anymore.
For everybody calling other people sheeple and BLAMING them for what is going on, get real. There are folks who have fought this entire mess for decades and are still fighting. You don't know about it, because the news media doesn't report it...but they have been fighting all along. Who do you think brought up the facts on 9/11 and kept that alive for almost a decade? Who do you think forced Bush to abandon his plans for Presidency Residency? It was the people of this country and the military who stood up to him.
Everybody please stop pointing fingers unless you are going to point them at the bankers, multi-nationalist swine and sell out politicians that planned to make themselves into America's new royalty under the Rothschilds and Rockefellers. That's who you should be mad at...not people that are just trying to survive or people wanting to secede. We need to pull together right now and begin helping each other. The government is not going to be able to send out those checks much longer because nobody on this planet is going to lend any more money to the US. Take a page from seen 2 much. Start talking to the people around you and figuring out how you can help each other to survive what will surely be a long rough road ahead.
It is not just the government that you will have to worry about either. There are things that are going to be happening that are beyond anyone's control coming down the pike. A pole shift is likely, galactic superwaves are another and, surprise surprise...we might be heading into another ICE AGE. No one in power is teling you because they are hoping that nature/the universe might REMOVE their inconvenient citizens for them. Even those who think that they know what is coming up have not been told the entire story.
I AGREE WITH THOSE WHO SAID, "GO READ." I would.
Wow read all these comments.How hateful these people are.How much they must love the usa.The country that massacred my ancestors from sea to sea.Want to see hate for that flag ask an indian.You all are on my land assholes .How DARE you tell anyone they should leave.YOU don't have the right white bastard & white whores. Gary White horse
The Constitution indeed provides for not only secession[Yes Lincoln was wrong]but also for the People[you and me]to dismiss,fire,overthrow such gov't that will not abide by the Constitution.Obama is a manchurian candidate who is not fit for office by a number of standards [read Sinclair]but clearly,legally because he is NOT a natural born citizen[Thanks Mr. Apuzzo Esq.]Those Texans are brave souls to be DOING something about this criminal euro banker controlled farce that Washington has become.The parties are corrupted,they only exist for those that want to believe nostalgically that the fortune 1000and their shills actually care a whit about America and its people.They DO NOT.That is why so very little works for everyday Americans and what does is getting more expensive by the day.The real Yankee spirit died after '13FED creation.At least here in California I can see that Texas' heart is still beating.New York,D.C.,?Hah.
They ARE NOT A#*%OLES The government is doing things that defy the constitution. They are stating their case wrong - it's not America that's bad, what they really mean is the criminals of Washington and Wall street are bad
Ninth Amendment – Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Tenth Amendment – Powers of States and people.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
From the Bill of Rights
Actually both parties violate the Constitution every working day. The only presidential candidate who does uphold the Constitution is the one the media did its best to ignore -- Texan Ron Paul. Both Obama and John McCain voted for the Orwellian named Patriot Act, which tosses the Bill of Rights in the trash. And I notice that Obama, darling of the left, is taking his sweet time getting us out of Iraq, and is getting us more deeply mired into the wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
I'm ready. Most Texans are ready. We'll take our refineries too. You guys can have that money pit, NASA. Take your Yankee asses, and go home. Leave our jobs here,
In Texas!
We have all been fooled - we were told to line up behind either the Democrats or Republicans - pick one side only. But, they are both on the same side - the corporate side. In reality, it isn't Democrat v. Republican, it is corporate v. individual.
The founders of our country placed the highest value on individual rights and freedoms over governmental intrusion. That is why we have the Bill of Rights - the Ten Amendments to the Constitution. However, our individual rights have been severely devalued over time.
It may hurt a little, but start thinking about the other alternative that exists - Libertarian. Maybe you should vote Libertarian - and live libertarian. Be forewarned, though, that means you carry responsibility for yourself - you have to be self-reliant - and you won't be able to tell someone else how to live.
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This Larry Kilgore idiot sounds like a man of Christian values by wanting the execution of homosexuals. I would'nt want to be associated in any way with a$$hole like that, but I think it would be great if all 50 states simultaniously suceed and dump this crappy Federal gov and start all over again.
If you are willing to work getting out of this country is the only answer & the only way you will ever be able to enjoy the fruits of your labor.If you stay they will drain every ounce of your body for their own good not yours.Taxes are just now starting.Just wait. God save the SOUTH LOS
I have no problem with Texas or any other state seceeding from the Union and becoming an independent country but NOT for the reasons cited by this group. I am entirely opposed to their agenda. I strongly support single-payer health care whether in the United States of America or in the independent nation of Texas. Or, how about the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of Texas?
This DC group does not represent the people of this country.
I'm all for seccession. However, I would like to get other states to secceed as well.
Georgia, Florida S.C, N.C along with Alabama, Oklahoma, Idaho and Montana sould also succeed.
People in Texas probably don't want to leave the union But the union is forceing them out.Why stay in a system you don't agree with.Washington's agenda is a one world dictatorship & both the republicans& democrats are in this up to their ears.There is no difference in the parties & this really really causes hate in some peoplefor the flag that represents them includeing me.If some states start secceeding maby just maby you may see them start to do whats right.
For the guy who wants a single payer system,go live in England for a year & lets see if you still feel that way.Ive lived there Scotland,Norway & Holland.All with this system .Let me tell you they SUCK.YOU WILL NOT LIKE THEM.But if you vote it in you will be STUCK with it.
Get over your feelings that your ancestors had slaves & understand OBAMA is a Communist. Gary
Michael go to dixienet.org Or google League Of The South.We are on our way.Gary
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I'm amazed at how stupid people are in this comment section. They actually believe they ELECT somebody! They believe every piece of government bullshit propaganda that comes out over the airwaves. They believe a black savior can make the difference. No wonder China and the Illuminati want to kill every last one of you. You ignorant mongrels are not worthy of sharing the planet with the elite.
God damn...Wow...I live in Oregon, I am for the most part liberal in my views, and I have heard it all from folks from Texas. I'm a "tree hugger" or whatever else they can call me just because of where I'm from...Then they learned how to talk to me and have a conversation with me. Figuring out that I love and support the constitution. So at times, as we all have, I didn't talk with very smart people. However, I look at the bigger picture here. I see a very urgent topic here and issue on hand. Something that US Government should care about and fall back on respecting the constitution to respect others even if they might be a little crazy! You don't have to like these guys but I don't see a reason to be total dicks and spit in their face...Something most of you posters are more than willing to do. It's one thing to make your point, but I see no points made in these replies. Just name calling and over and over: "Don't let the door hit you on the way out". You guys are assholes and worthless people. You folks can't even express why these guys might be full of shit or actually upset. You just have to get your selfish out of context view out there at any cost, huh?
This is a major issue...Lets say Texas did this...It could create a huge level of conflict leading to martial law or people getting killed. The constitution isn't a joke...When I see people with a oh well to hell with Texas attitude, it just simply says to me you don't care about the future and care of this country or it's people. You just simply want your life to keep going on it's everyday boring course.
It's sad. We got crazy people on both sides and in the end the constitution becomes a topic of taboo.
We all need to think of what is really going on and what it all leads too ! No jobs , High prices , Gov. spending our hard earn money away ! Which gran kids and great gran kids are going to pay for ! I'm just saying watch the Gov. and don't be surprise of what may happen to us all ! May God Have Mercy On Us !
You have no Idea of what communism is... you have no clue you rather burn than read...
let me tell you "gary" Obama is not a communist. your pittle of comments, do not contained facts or references... your suspect... let me tell you why
Do you know what the seizure of the state looks like? It's being searched, being punched, being pushed, bullies and intimidation in to accepting things like war and blood.
My fathers before me and the mothers as well fought the wars in this states past... and entire familys died in the process.
the one creating this problem are people like you...
Who demands that drugs be ban, abortions to be ban, no rules for business, NO SAME SEX MARRIAGE, no envriometal regulation, no labor laws, Defining curriculum, building prisons, con's, thieves, Ideological killers, that is big government too. taking peoples land and shoving a road though it... that's you and toll roads, privately owned...
you have debt because you want safe roads to drive on, you want cops and a military, you want education for your kids....(believe me you don't wanna pay for privet school). You need to wake up you don't want to pay the mark up by business that is ungoverned that has the potential to make trillions .50 cents at a time... so son of texas...
you don't agree with your fathers, or mothers... you don't believe the system they fought and worked and died for was good enough for you... texas was a third world country son!
what makes you think, you know any better than them...
Sigh,
Hopeless. In heaven's name don't secede because of the whores in D.C. have sold you out to the Murderous bood-suckers in Israel, the rape of your economy, the invasion and slaughter of innocent millions, the treasonous 9/11. No, not for any moral reaons. Talk about leaving because they DARE try to do for all citizens of the United States of Israel what ALL other developed nations did for theirs DECADES ago by taking a dollar sign off of human life.
Bunch of murderous, selfish DRONES man....hey GO!!....PLEASE and take that Khazar SHILL , Bush with you!
We wish it were so easy to be rid of the noisy idiots in this country but, even if we deported these people, or "expelled" Texas as one commenter recommended, areas like the West Coast would still produce even worse. A long list is possible but i would mention the "Reverend" Pike of Oregon, Frosty Wooldridge of California and Arizona, that advocate of killing gays up in Kansas, those people at White Aryan Nation in supposedly "progressive" Northern California, and on and on.
Whenever some very small group of nutties choose Texas as their place from which to get attention they get it, yet the same kind of people and in even greater number hardly seem to get any coverage from California-centric or East Coast media centers when it's happening in their own backyards. Of course, the Coasters always narcissistically imagine they are so wonderful, when in fact a lot of the problem in places like Texas is, among other things from the rest of the US, all the Republicans that have moved to Texas over more than twenty years from such great centers of high culture and progressivism as Ohio (I am being sarcastic, for those of you who are too "dense" to get it), Michigan, California (of course) and so on to work in various Texas industries, notably electronics, which you'd think would attract more intelligent people than it has.
Anyway, I wish it were as simple as letting a bunch of ignorant crazies from all over the US move to some nutlife preserve attached to Texas and then let them just secede or buy up some Mexican border region and have to live with each others' sick dictates, but the other states of the still very narcissistic persona disordered USA will still generate plenty of ignorant, sick-minded, stupid, evil (and should we say) buttholes to mess everything up.
First you might want to look at how much you've been part of the problem, say by being part of a lame but very smug opposition party for example, before you figure out what the problem is with these "secessionist" US-haters who get all this unwarranted attention for nothing. Continued attention to some kooks that plunk down on the Capitol steps in Austin would be like making a hyperventilating national news story about some random bible thumpers on Sproul Plaza at UC Berkeley, something that wouldn't happen because those identifying with narcissistic national or state personae (e.g. "California" the "Golden State") cannot admit the flaws and falseness of their defensive images.
An aspirational image can be beneficial, but being enamored with some superficial narcissistic defensive falsehood has been the basis for US problems since a Hollywood actor and much reelected California Governor was chosen by confused and defensive Americans over someone who might have helped bring substance to American dreams. America has been in love with images, the image of prosperity for example, even if backed only by a Ponzi scheme, or some megachurch evangelicals' false image of virtue and morality, or the smug image of progressive Democrats or of self righteously "patriotic" Republicans and neo-conservatives. Have any of you smuggy types asked the tea partiers and their like where is their plan? If they have something then good, put it out there for public criticism. If they're plan-less as well as clueless then you might just tell 'em to put up or shut up. If you people have any sense at all out there I don't have to write much more for you to figure this stuff out and apply the ideas further.
Much as these vermin nipping at tourists' ankles and politicians heels on the Capitol steps may need some Hav-A-Hart traps and relocating to some zoo or preserve where we can view their antics and predations from a safe distance, we should bear in mind that very few of tens of millions of Texans even know they exist, not to mention support their peculiar notions.
When does Texas send diplomats to DC and how big will the Texas embassy be in Washington? Will we need to garrison it and ring it with missiles like the US in Baghdad? Will Texas have embassies in London, Paris, Madrid, or Mexico City like it used to have? So many details, it might just be a great idea if we could have a better rather than worse country than the USA. Maybe Texas can be better than the US at providing for the modern basics like healthy food, appropriate housing, good health, true education, and meaningful work, and do that in a land where freedom does not mean the freedom to kill people because you don't like who they love, or that European Dark Age Catholic Christian Conquistador language they speak, or that race they may share with Native Americans or maybe the President of the formerly United States of America, or what have you. However, I remain skeptical, given that the US's founding fathers were not the most advanced thinkers of their time either.
Once Washington finishes destroying the Dollar, all it will have left to wield as power is raw military and police force, that is if any military or police will co-operate. At that point it will have to con hungry Americans into a brown shirt, Hitlers youth type Army of people who will do anything for a meal. They will be hungry. Very likely the money the rich men of the earth stole in the bailouts has been used to purchase food and equipment to operate such a citizen army to oppress the very taxpayers the money was stolen from. Informant networks and house to house search and seizure worse than we have now will likely become routine. America had fair warning not to tolerate, feminism, the gay agenda, false religions and the like and it didn't listen. Now it has a Muslim terrorist for a president. One of his czars wants to implement Sharia law and will probably do so very soon. The very women who voted for this man will end up wearing a burka and a vale or else they will face the guillotine if he gets his way. And that's just the beginning of his plan.
Whoa, "burka and a vale" (don't need spell check for "veil") "just the beginning of his plan"? What kind of such "plan" is still even possible? We have phony image "feminism", the "gay agenda" is now synonymous with lameness and the falsest religion is the current two-note "kill queers/kill clones" Christianity. My mistake, I didn't realize I was on a Comedy Central site, disregard my long comment. What a waste of time that was. At least it was worth the laughs.
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I am a Democrat, a Liberal and a secessionist. I have been a secessionist since Bush was in office. In the Texas secession movement, even though Good-Hair Perry has tried to lay claim to it, you will find more independents than hard-core conservatives. I have found a freedom in the issue of secession that I have not found in any other organizations and parties. These people actually are willing to discuss solutions instead of the same old Left-Right arguments. I would urge you to look past the rhetoric over this issue and remember that in 2004, us Dems were talking secession from Baby Bush without batting an eye. Not much has changed in Bush's third term *ahem* I mean Obama's first term. Again, I am a liberal Democrat and I am a Texas nationalist.
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The first State that leaves the union will be home sweet home to me. I'm so sick of the USA. What drama. What propaganda. A whole lot about nothing.