The Republican Party chairman of Boise County in Idaho was arrested Thursday for aggravated assault after he pulled a gun on a man whose house he was photographing.
Charles McAffee, 33, was among Idaho's anti-tax tea-party activists, and is a member of the Idaho Republican Party Central Committee. He was arrested after pulling a handgun on a homeowner whose mortgage his employer sought to photograph for being delinquent. His employer is a contractor for Wells Fargo.
Wells Fargo called McAffee's behavior "horrific and absolutely inexcusable." Via AP:
According to police in the Boise suburb of Meridian, resident Robert Lutes called officers just before 5:30 p.m. Tuesday to report McAffee had pointed a .357 Magnum handgun at him during a verbal confrontation. McAffee acknowledged he pointed the gun at Lutes, according to the police account.
"I'm unarmed, I'm an old man," Lutes, 51, told The Associated Press on Thursday. "I'm trying to find out why he's taking pictures of my house. I said, 'Knock on my door, let me know what you want.' Then, I think he's reaching for his business card and he pulls out a concealed weapon and I think he's going to blow my head off."
Idaho's Republican Party told the Associated Press the arrest of one of its leaders was a "personal matter."
"It's not a party matter," Jonathan Parker, state GOP director in Boise, told AP.
One of McAffee's supporters said the homeowner's account was false:
"McAffee brandished the weapon to de-escalate the conflict," he asserted.
Yes, you read that right: he pulled a gun to de-escalate the conflict.
-John Byrne
McLean, Virginia -- Atrocious. I suppose we have to wait until somebody gets murdered.
Paul Matthews
It's only a matter of time before these kind of incidents result in someone's death.
Just more proof of the MENTALITY of these people. True fascists... They believe they can control the world through force, the threat of the use of force, intimidation tactics, murder, and of course the perpetration of lies and disinformation designed to squash any form of debate or counterpoint to their WILL that they only want to impose on EVERYONE whether they like it or not... for their own good. Because they're the REAL Americans.
51 is old?
[...] Republicans and their guns… [...]
"McAffee brandished the weapon to de-escalate the conflict," he asserted.
War is peace,
Black is white, etc.
If I take a swing at you with a baseball bat and I miss it's called AGRAVATED ASSAULT.
If I connect It's AGRAVATED ASSAULT and BATTERY. You could say that because the gun was loaded with 6 bullets, he should face 6 counts of AGRAVATED ASSAULTS.
Anybody care to correct me?
And these are the nutbars who are encouraging people to bring guns to town hall meetings and political rallies and Presidential appearances. As for it being a "personal matter", let me ask this; would they call it a "personal matter" if a Democratic leader threatened someone?
McAffee puts the "e" in idiot.
Yeah, guns solve all probems. >massive eye roll<
Great mind at work. A real coversation starter.
And they think there is no gun problem in this country! People don't shoot people, guns do - I reckon they pull themselves out of the holster and aim themselves at people too. When will we wake up and demand gun control?
"It's not a party matter" said a Republican hack trying gamely to put a better spin on this. So it's just a large coincidence that your party members keep acting time after time in a violent, thuggish manner often accompanied by handguns? It seems to me to be the essence of a party matter- an indictment of the type of person who belongs to the Republican party of 2009.
It must be the August heat.
No, its not the heat, its the insanity.
McAfee is another nutty republican.do you notice how other republicans come to defend him they think their people can do no wrong if it's adultery trying to pick some dude up in a restroom or what ever if it's a republican they think it's alright. No wonder the party is going down the drain,I only hope they implode
It really sucks when you lose the ability to apply immunity to your own really stupid acts.
Well, isn't that what the NRA advocates? When everyone is armed everyone is safer? Now if Lutes had had a weapon, they could have had a shoot-out Old West style. That would have de-escalated the situation, wouldn't it? We could all settle our arguments right there and then. Just shoot the other guy first.
Damn, things are rough in the mid-west.
the GOP is full of demented, Beck loving jerkoffs
Wow, just wow. Exactly what does the NRA stand for - Nat'l Republican Assn?
Politicians create the mess. Raw Story exacerbates it.
ugg...why does everything have to be politicized? this guy is a "GOP Leader"? c'mon.
ever watch the local news in a major city? "democratic leaders" are murdering people every day. and they actually pull the trigger.
what the f@%k?? when is this sh*t gonna stop. i hope the msm will place the blame on fox news when someone from "idiot america" really hurts someone because they keep on getting these morons fired up.
This is EXACTLY what the gun nuts want, total dominion over anybody by freely weilding deadly weapons (does this compensate for small penis size?). Isn't pepper spray good enough anymore? It worked well on that Gay-basher in Long Beach who attacked two men and wound up fleeing into the paths of oncoming cars. The gun nuts are stir crazy. THIS is a prime example. The right wing is bat crazy....
Who needs vampires when the Radical Right roams free???
He's lucky the homeowner didn't pull out his own weapon and blow the guy off his property (although truthfully, the article isn't clear if McAfee was on Lutes' property or not when they had their verbal confrontation).
This is why conceal and carry or open carry is a bad idea. Too many "John Wayne" wanna be's out there, and I mean OUT THERE! The police are loose cannon enough, and they have pretty intense training. The main training for the civilian gun toters movies such as "Dirty Harry" types, or horse operas. I can't believe that so many states made it legal! This ain't the old west, or the frontier. There are no lions, tigers or bears, or irate Native Americans to protect them selves against. That is the backdrop of the 2nd Amendment. Gun ownership is not unreasonable, and I believe that most any type of weapon is legal. Unfortunately biggest arsenols aren't owned by the casual user, but by independent militias, and crazies just waiting for an excuse to play war, without actually having to enlist in the Armed Services. This country is not any different than Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Iraq. If the Central Government fell, there would be a bloodbath. Warlords would emerge, militias would fight for territory, racists would prey, it wouldn't be pretty. But, that is the direction in which this country is headed.
"McAffee brandished the weapon to de-escalate the conflict,"
This supporter is a total fool if he thinks this is a more legitimate take on the incident -it only confirms the homeowner's account.
Why didn't McAffee just get in his car and leave? -because these jerks believe they must always have the upper hand in any social situation, and the gun gives them that advantage -they have easily bruised egos and an authority complex -if EVERYBODY carried a gun, as is the dream of these gun nuts, these social misfits would feel just as naked and vulnerable as when un-armed.
I live in Idaho and can tell you that there is nothing unusual in that kind of shenanigans. This state is the home of white supremacist militias who have been feted on the steps of the state capitol by republican officials. Shooting people while trying to de-escalate situations with a gun happens a lot here . . . it's what the locals call conflict resolution.
Oh yes, those "right wing nuts" again. Of course, it's irrelevant that this happens across the nation, every day, every minute of every day, for a myriad of reasons, but when it's someone associated with the "tea party" movement, gosh, they must be unhinged!
Obviously the guy was using way too heavy handed a technique to get his photos. But this has nothing to do with his being a "tea party" supporter, which is made up primarily of good, decent people who are fed up with the Federal Government invading every aspect of their lives and spending our nation into a massive debt that our children will be forced to confront.
It's not a "personal matter' but very much a party matter. This is the party of un-American, scum-sucking, authoritarian assholes who promote intolerance, bigotry, suppression and violence. It's too bad the whole gang of Rethuglican cretins can't get together and do a Jonestown type Kool-Aid bash, complete with arsenic.
" When will we wake up and demand gun control?"
There exists extensive firearms regulation in place in the United States, both at federal and state levels. What additional "gun control" do you believe is necessary?
Yup, and the shit gets MUCH worse when EVERYONE is armed. Just think if the homeowner was also armed. He pulls his gun out and you have a nice little shootout on a residential street.
F_cking Maroons!
abrahambenjudea Post 7
There's 2 G's in aggravted. Aside from that you're right on.
Does it surprise anyone that this happened in Idaho, birthplace of Sarah Palin (Sandpoint, ID) and the state Mark Fuhrman moved to (also Sandpoint) after the OJ trial?
So, any chance that this guy will sue Wells Fargo? He may get his house without making another payment.
Yep. "Wing nuts" RATIONAL people do not need guns and armament of any kind. That's why we have LAWS, pure and simple. But hell, the Right doesn't know about laws, that's why they broke those of the Constitution under Bush and Cheney with Wiretapping, War, Right to Privacy, Prisoner abuses, Torture, etc. etc., Blackwater is caught arming drones and violating Iraqs laws. etc. etc. and ohh ,let's say a few BANKERS and Attorneys General.... The Right does not follow LAWS....
Right, James, "Wingnuts"...
ARRESTED GOP Idaho Man is Glenn Beck 912 Committee Member - 912 SITE Srcubbed.
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Arrested for Assault with a Deadly Weapon
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Name has been scrubbed off the 912 Idaho website but can be viewed in the cached history showing Challis McAffe as Steering Committee member as of Aug 14, 2009 on the webpage..
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PLEASE PASS THIS ON.......
ROTTEN: Please don't confuse a bunch of shoeless, toothless, guntarded idiots in Idaho with the Midwest -- the Midwest I'm from votes Democratically, claims two of the most-progressive politicians in Congress, and wishes Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming were part of Canada.
Joe Nunya: With luck, a lying liar like you will be next on their list.
One of these days there will be a big shoot-out between some of these Republican crazy people.
James: The guy is a tea-party supporter -- how is this not relevant?
Oh, I get it: to Repuglican apologists, this isn't relevant. To the rest of the thinking world it is entirely relevant.
P.S. -- How's your militia doing? I hear that, now that the Republican Party is dead, membership is up.
Dimensio: How about gun-nut control?
@Joe Nunya: "ugg...why does everything have to be politicized? this guy is a "GOP Leader"? c'mon.
ever watch the local news in a major city? "democratic leaders" are murdering people every day. and they actually pull the trigger."
So how long have you been a piece of furniture, asshat? What you've written is so ridiculous that it is barely worth pissing on. Okay, I live in a major city, I'll piss on you.
What fucking "democratic leaders" are "murdering people every day" and what kind of jackass would state "they actually pull the trigger"? How long have you been so goddamned stupid that you should commit suicide so that you stop wasting worms' air?
Pulling a gun to de-escalate a conflict.
Imagine that the Homeowners wife or a neighbor also had a gun, and once the photographer pulled his gun and pointed it towards the man he was shot from a distance. How would the NRA spin that event, one for the good guys? One for the bad guys? If notone or the other, what then?
To say this does not fit with Republican thought think again, think how the Iraq War happened.
Straight from the Dick Cheney school of diplomacy.
In fact, the theory of being dominate, via power without equal, is the foundation for NEOCON thought and action.
The New American Century is based squarely on the premise.
The old Might makes Right simply reformulated.
Although that is a totally unhinged thought process, with enough evil behind the theory, it's practice is workable, only until you are no longer the baddest, and the approach ensures permanent distrust and dislike by all who encounter NEOCON bullies.
And to James, sure, not all Tea Party types are like this,.
You may not want the Government in your actions, do you think Gays wanting to marry, pregnant women wanting an abortion, those who want to smoke some weed, welcome Government action that prevents, and or criminilizes their behavior?
I expect there is something on that list you have no problem with Government interference in the lives of Gays, Pregnant Women, and casual drug users.
Our Great American experiment in Democracy has constantly been over individuals or classes of peoples perceived Freedoms, whether they were allowed, or prohibited, our entire political structure is nothing more than a framework for handling that process and the conflicts that arise.
It is wise for us all to remember that what we may view as correct and just likely isn't viewed that way by all, and we settle disputes at the ballot box.
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Gun-Nut control - good one! I hear the banjoes playing from Deliverance now. nothing like keeping the peace/piece....
Yeah, I am not sure if I am more offended by the incident or the fact that the victim claims 51 is old. Hey, I'm a few years older and I ain't old! Maybe to an 20 yr-old, but not in the real world.
We will never demand "gun control" when you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns. Look at Mexico rocket surgeons. Drugs are now legal and self defense is still illegal. (not that you can fight WALLSTREET sponsored military drug cartels, or PENTAGON sponsored Mexican Army regulars patrolling your neighborhood in a fucking tank..) Speak out against the drug war, or the iraq war, or the afghan war. Why do you want to have military gunz and not civilian guns? Is it still "we the people" or is that inconvenient truth ?
Dumb ass shouldn't have brandished a fire arm.
Dumber ass shouldn't have admitted to "pointing it at someone"....
This is the danger that pervades much of this country ...this retarded self righteousness of people who actually believe that pulling a gun out instead of making a point is de-escalating the situation. Because THEY are the good, the right, versus THEM the evil, the wrong, the growing threat. If the people who show up to these town halls meetings about HEALTH CARE really want to discuss their gun rights then go to a town hall about freakin GUNS. This idiot pulling the gun to de-escalate the situation is the same retard who raises his hand when asked "who doesnt trust the Government to their health care program?" and raises his as well for the follow up question "Who here has Medicade?"
@James: Yes, James in this case it is a right-wing nut. And you wish these would not be reported on because you are a right-wing nut and another one of your pals embarrassed you.
"Oh yes, those "right wing nuts" again. Of course, it's irrelevant that this happens across the nation, every day, every minute of every day, for a myriad of reasons, but when it's someone associated with the "tea party" movement, gosh, they must be unhinged!"
@James: Despite your puking on the screen, THIS does NOT in any way "happen across the nation, every day, every minute of every day" when a political GOPher LEADER pulls a loaded gun on a citizen at his own home for no reason whatsoever except he's a goddamned bully and a coward to boot. The so-called "reason" is so far from reality that it does not exist.
This has everything to do with his being a supporter of the previous government's attempts to continue to cover up its massive international theft of the people's money through its bloody moneylaundering operations and outright thefts through personal corruption and misuse of their offices, which some of them are still in.
The idiots carrying the signs for the GOPher killers and thieves were nowhere to be found when the federal government was actually reaching into their pockets and robbing them, but let a black man spend money to make money and all of a sudden you are against the federal government's actions.
You are an idiot and a goddamned lying jerk, and you don't even know it. The massive debt began with Reagan and every single GOPher since then has expanded it beyond belief. And we TOLD you that our children will be forced to pay for those thefts, and you didn't care, you wanted more unnecessary guns and invasions. Fuck you, asshole, and every single stupid lying motherfucking jackass like you who tries to blame the cost of car repairs on the new owner of the smashed up car instead of on the drunk driver you were warned about. Fuck you, you piece of furniture.
Those tea-bagging jackasses are tools. They are supporting their own enemies because their enemies told them they should. Idiot fucking trailer trash.
"Dimensio: How about gun-nut control?"
This does not address my inquiry.
This would have made much more sense if the Republican leader had just pulled out his gun and blown his own head off with no warning or reason. And something good would have come out of it. Another dead Republican leader. From Idaho. Kewl.
I've been to Southern Idaho several times and most of my experiences have gone well with the local EuroAmerican citizens there; friendly, kind and helpful. However, I have also had a couple of bad experiences with Euronationals; mostly the loner, deer in the headlights types. McAffee sounds more like one of the uber Euronational hateful,fearful and oversized ego freaks..............
@James:
From Raw Story today:
"When it came to the bank bailouts, initiated by President George W. Bush, the Republican position was ... Yes, absolutely."
"When it came to spending trillions to invade a country that had not attacked the United States, the Republican position was ... Yes, unequivocally."
"When it came to changing bankruptcy laws to further trap middle-class Americans in debt, the Republican position was ... Yes, with very little debate."
But when it comes to the necessity of spending money to make money, to, by definition, "stimulate" the economy, exactly as The Wuss did with his pals in banking, you and your teabagging friends want to whine, "No!" Pick a furniture style, right-wing nutcase, the GOPher party loves its coffee tables.
Ban all guns. No, not kidding.
I'll wager Charles McAffee was out of a job less than 5 minutes after this story broke. Since he's also a member of some nut case Glenn Beck organization perhaps Beck will tide Charles over with an intermediate job while McAffee pursues other opportunities at the local Wal Mart. Wait a minute. Beck himself may be out of a job what with his 'forced vacation' from, is it Fox News after most of his sponsers left his show. McAffee and Beck may both be working at Wal Mart.
bruce: I share your pain. The only one who calls me old is my girlfriend -- at 31, I guess it's her due. But TRS calling 51 old -- that smarts.
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them."
--Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. ME 6:373, Papers 12:356
natty: I admire your attempt to make sense, but really, gun control, when done responsibly isn't just smart -- it's the right thing to do. Think back to the Old West: that's a great example of "polite society." Now imagine it with Uzis and AKs.
James Is So Stupid It Hurts -- what a great screen name.
Dimensio: You had an inquiry? Oh, yeah:
D: "What additional 'gun control' do you believe is necessary?"
JL: "How about gun-nut control?"
Sounds like a response to me.
[...] john wrote an interesting post today onThe Raw Story » Idaho GOP leader, <b>Wells Fargo</b> contractor, pulls <b>…</b>Here’s a quick excerpt [...]
JAG wrote:
"Yep. 'Wing nuts' RATIONAL people do not need guns and armament of any kind. That's why we have LAWS, pure and simple. But hell, the Right doesn't know about laws, that's why they broke those of the Constitution under Bush and Cheney with Wiretapping, War, Right to Privacy, Prisoner abuses, Torture, etc. etc., Blackwater is caught arming drones and violating Iraqs laws. etc. etc. and ohh ,let's say a few BANKERS and Attorneys General.... The Right does not follow LAWS....
Right, James, "Wingnuts"...
Laws huh? What the hell do you call the SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES?????
Liberals!
wmc418 wrote:
"And to James, sure, not all Tea Party types are like this,.
You may not want the Government in your actions, do you think Gays wanting to marry, pregnant women wanting an abortion, those who want to smoke some weed, welcome Government action that prevents, and or criminilizes their behavior?
I expect there is something on that list you have no problem with Government interference in the lives of Gays, Pregnant Women, and casual drug users."
Hey, I don't think you get it. The Tea Party movement is all about local control and State authority. The Federal government nowhere has the right to interfere with the States on domestic issues. Period. When they do, they usurp the Constitutional order.
Now that being said, its a separate question as to what laws the States may validly enact. Does a State have the authority to declare that marriage is between two men or two women? No, it doesn't have that authority, because marriage is a fact based upon nature... it's always been about children, the family. To redefine it is to attack the foundations of society itself. The question of "casual drug users" and other questions are matters for debate. What drugs? How much damage do they do to society? Marijuana laws are an example... I currently don't see the harm in legalization, or at least very relaxed enforcement of those laws. But those are STATE issues, not Federal ones, because the States NEVER gave the Federal government the power to deal with that issue. That's the whole basis of our Constitutional framework. The Federal government has ONLY the powers given it by the States. That's it. What the States may or may not do then is another question.
The scary thing is that these nut job republicans could win in the end. They are more than willing to resort to violence to make their point but we liberals rarely are, even if it is a matter of self defense. Now, when you start seeing the left-leaning types showing up armed at tea bagger parties then you will start to get the respect of those on the right. It is a sad statement on us as a country and a species but it is also true.
Dear James Is So Stupid It Hurts,
It's pretty cool that a liberal created a unique screen name just to address me. I am flattered. No really, I am.
There's really not much need, I would think, to address your juvenile remarks. You're probably, I would guess, about 15 (although one wonders if a 15 year old could have so perfected profanity and crudeness at such a tender age). It shows in your communication abilities, and more clearly in your ability, or I should say inability, to think before you write.
Okay, I'm a right wing nut for what reason? Because I pointed out that this man's association with the "Tea Party" movement is not at all an indication that this had anything to do with the crime in question? Or because I pointed out the obvious jab at the Tea Party movement that is intended by such a mention? Where I'm from, we call this "grasping at straws" and "guilt by association." I hope those words aren't too big for you to understand.
You wrote:
To this, first as a stylistic comment, I would remind you that we're not on Twitter at the moment (so you may wish to lose the "@" symbol). Second, it is PRECISELY my point that this doesn't happen "every day, every minute of every day when a political GOPher LEADER pulls a loaded gun on a citizen at his own home..." EXACTLY! This is quite a RARE event that a GOP leader does this. However, it is NOT a rare event that someone, somewhere pulls a gun on someone ... either to bully them or rob them or what have you. So you prove my point. This is one man who happens to be a GOP leader, pulling a handgun (stupidly, criminally) on a man in his own home. The very isolated nature of this happening makes it unlikely that there's somehow a correlation between his affiliation and association with the GOP and his behavior.
You wrote:
"This has everything to do with his being a supporter of the previous government's attempts to continue to cover up its massive international theft of the people's money through its bloody moneylaundering operations and outright thefts through personal corruption and misuse of their offices, which some of them are still in."
Oh yeah, this is Bush's fault. Hahaha At what point will Bush cease to be the boogeyman of the left? This is just laughable. At some point, you have to recognize your paranoia, and if you can't do that, professional help may be in order. Certainly in no case should you buy a handgun.
You wrote:
"You are an idiot and a goddamned lying jerk, and you don't even know it. The massive debt began with Reagan and every single GOPher since then has expanded it beyond belief. And we TOLD you that our children will be forced to pay for those thefts, and you didn't care, you wanted more unnecessary guns and invasions. Fuck you, asshole, and every single stupid lying motherfucking jackass like you who tries to blame the cost of car repairs on the new owner of the smashed up car instead of on the drunk driver you were warned about. Fuck you, you piece of furniture."
I don't even need to point out to any reasonable person that you're obviously unhinged. It's kind of funny though that at the same time that the President, of your party, revises the debt estimate up and has submitted record budget after record budget, while at the same time lobbying for what amounts to a multi trillion dollar government take over of health care, should lecture anyone about the deficit.
~ James
Right Wing "Nut"
p.s. Oh yes, I forgot to mention that I'm NOT a GOPer. The GOP keeps taxes low and lets the liberals keep spending high, resulting in debt. The Democrats keep taxes high and spending higher, resulting in more debt. So I don't see that much of a difference. So no, not a GOPer here... I just have a little common sense.
I own a gun,several,matter of fact!
I go hunting several times a year.
I carry a handgun and have a permit to do so.
I have carried a gun for over 30 years.
I have,NEVER,pulled it on anyone,even tho there have been a few times it would have been justified.
But then,no one has ever pointed a gun at me.Would I pull mine if someone did point one at me? Be sort of dumb on my part,right?
Allan,
You're shadow boxing. I'm not a member of the GOP. The GOP has just about as many problems as the Democratic Party, even if they are less severe. If you identify the "tea party" movement with the Republican Party, you have failed to understand it.
Bank bailouts were wrong, no matter who supported them. They encourage irresponsibility and virtually guarantee further failures since they take away the risk from risky behavior. When you socialize risk and privatize profit, you're asking for trouble. This being said, you'll recall that the great bulk of opposition to the bailout plan came from Republicans in Congress, no thanks to W and John R.I.N.O McCain.
You wrote:
"But when it comes to the necessity of spending money to make money, to, by definition, 'stimulate' the economy, exactly as The Wuss did with his pals in banking, you and your teabagging friends want to whine, 'No!' Pick a furniture style, right-wing nutcase, the GOPher party loves its coffee tables."
What a joke. Obama spent this "stimulus" money on so many nebulous programs that nobody can say how much it has helped the economy and how much it has hurt it. This is one of the most untargeted, sloppy, expensive bills ever passed by Congress. What this amounted to, rather, was a massive election ploy, a payoff of campaign debts, a creation of new constituencies. Shortly after, Obama and Biden had to admit that it did NOT have the effect that was intended and that they made wrong "calculations" and predictions about the effect.
The idea that the government can "spend money to make money" is absurd. Government isn't a profit-creating entity. It isn't set up to be. Sure, you pour out some government money and you'll create some jobs here and there, mostly useless positions that are there only because of the stimulus package... basically paying people to act busy. If you left that money in the hands of businesses and consumers in the first place, who's to say that the "stimulus" wouldn't be much greater? Of course you won't believe that if you think the government is to be trusted with peoples' money more than they are. But that would make you a liberal.
Obama's policies have stifled the recovery that could have already been in full swing. And now, the prospect of higher taxes is likely to slow that even more.
James: I like your other screen name better -- James Is So Stupid It Hurts.
P.S. -- (ALL CAPS FOR IDIOTS) WHAT DO YOU CALL A GUN-STROKING, PISTOL-OBSSESSED MORON WHOSE DICK IS SO SMALL THAT HE NEEDS TO SUBLIMATE HIS LACK OF MANHOOD WITH A GUN -- I MEAN, BESIDES "JAMES" OR "REPUBLICAN" OR "CONSERVATIVE"?
SmilingJack the Anarch: Jeebus Chrisp -- do you teabagging fucktards know ANY politician's name besides Thomas Jefferson?!
200+ years of presidents and legislation and all you dipshits can obssess over is one founding father -- pretty much the same way you obssess over one Amendment to the Constitution. You probably think free speech means firing your gun.
These gun nuts probably take a gun to the bathroom with them.
Don't say there is no relation between this man's misuse of a gun and the fact that he is a Republican leader. We have seen all week that Republicans support the misuse of weapons, to intimidate and to get the upper hand. Talking is too difficult, yelling is easier, and the weapon means you don't have to open your mouth. True terrorism.
Welcome to America. One thing that these gun guys and gals don't realize until it's to late is that with a gun that they brandish about like it's the wild west, they can easily end up getting killed and/or killing someone and going to prison.
Guns are an extension of the penis. Owners feel powerful with one in their hands and they get off just thinking of how they can be used to penetrate something or someone.
Also, if everyone is armed and bullets are used by all to solve problems AND both shooters are killed, think of the drop in court cases and incarceration expenses.
Guns save life.com HA. Guns are used to maim or destroy.
They take guns to the bathroom to make their dicks look big.
J Lewd,
Hahaha! That was so funny! You are so very clever and unpredictable. You must have spent hours coming up with that. We're all so impressed with your comical talents and obvious intellectual prowess.
I really do love it when liberals do this. They seem incapable of following principles to premises, premises to conclusions. So the hell with logic or intelligent argument. Let's just call people names. Great! And this from the people who accuse the Town Hall protestors of "stifling debate". Hahahahahaha!!!!! ROFLMSTPBO!! (Rolling on the floor laughing my skinny tea party butt off)
I love you guys. Keep it up, PLEASE. The more America sees of this, the less work we'll have to do to sweep your guys out of the Congress next year.
J Lewd,
You criticize those who quote Jefferson. Have you ever read Madison, Hamilton, Jay and the Federalist? Have you read the debates on the Constitution? Do you know the principles behind your own country's founding?
If you do, would you care to have an intelligent debate upon it? Right here... I dare you. Defend the principles of the liberals from the founding documents and principles of our country.
It can't be done.
I'll have nothing to do with any Republican in this life - or the next
What is it about "well regulated" don't these scaredy cats understand? Why do they always leave it out when they attempt to quote the Second Amendment?
Oh, that's right, if they had to prove their weapon knowledge, competence and sanity, the No Real Accountability gun nuts would not be allowed to own or operate any firearms.
There is legal precedent going back to the beginning of this country that allows states, counties and local governments to prohibit ownership and use of weapons by incompetent, angry idiots like McCaffee.
McAffee is lucky that someone in the house didn't put a bullet in his head after he pulled a gun.
Republicans use guns to "de-escalate" a situation. If they kill the guy, it's the Republican way of "putting an end to the discussion." Here's the scary part: there are millions of Americans out there that will find no irony in that last statement, and they all vote Republican.
[...] The Raw Story » Idaho GOP leader, Wells Fargo contractor, pulls ... [...]
James! (as in Jesse??)
Are these folks starting "militias??" The 2nd Amendment pertains to a revolutionary war era period in American history where a "Militia" was needed because the "US" did not have a standing army. We had a small contintental army and a spread out populace of new American citizens upon which said "ARMY" depended. You cannot comprehend that climate. Are today's Americans part of legal "Militia" organized to DEFEND the United states from foreign enemies? Answer that. No instead these Wingnuts create people like McVeigh who blew up the Federal Building or that racist who shot the guard in the Holocaust museum or the two kids who caused Columbine. The SECOND AMENDMENT does not pertain to gun-crazy egomaniacs who take advantage of it to accumulate small armories to commit ACTS OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM. Your warped distortion of the 2nd amendment has led to LAWS to counteract said gun nuts who buy 50 caliber weapons capable of piercing engine blocks and downing aircraft. You, James are as warped as the Uzi, AK47-packing mobs and the crazy Teabaggers out fomenting hatred and idiocy at every turn. Like the anti Helath plan nuts, they found their obsession on corporate triggered "reasons". Back to my original statement, Gunrunners have nothing in common with the intent and spirit of the law written in the 2nd Amendment in 1776. That's why we need LAWS to keep idiots like them in check. I hope some day you are looking down the rifle bore of some gun nut. That may make you re-evaluate your statements.
Oh for Gods sake!! Lets stop pretending that the Republicans are just a little off in some areas. They are the biggest promoter of guns, of hate rhetoric and of dissension. And they are proud of their ability to destroy any hope of bi-partisanship. And one day it is going to come back and bite them. They are empty of everything except hatred. This gun story unfortunately is common for them now. Guns are not aberration anymore, they are a way of making a statement for people who have no ability to convey and idea without the force of death behind it. They are not just the party of no, they are also the party of nothing.
Guns and Bibles, yeehaw!!
I have family in that area and a niece that goes to high school right there in Meriden.The GOP needs to ask him to resign his post as any kind of leader--but they won't because this is the kind of nazi stuff they are made of!! Wells Fargo--i am going to change my bank--i am sure this isn't the first time this guy has pulled a stunt like this. you de-escalate by pulling a weapon--maybe the poor
owner of the house should get a cannon for his front door when he opens it!!!
Douchey
'Politicians create the mess. Raw Story exacerbates it.'
By reporting a newsworthy story? Do explain.
Rebugs have to have guns because they are all pants-pissing scared of their own shadows and terrorist boogeymen.
James
'The GOP has just about as many problems as the Democratic Party, even if they are less severe."
....LOL Even if they are **less severe**?
Your killin' me. I have to go lie down for a while. My tummy hurts from laughing.
This teabagee is more than likely the same kind of idiot who claims to be "conservative". Yet cheer leads the borrow and spend invasions and war-mongering of their republican heroes. If Obama's poll numbers are dropping it is because he lacks the balls to end bush and the republicans "war on terror" and not because he is borrowing the funds needed to help pull our economy out of it's republican control of presidency, house and senate caused nose dive. Any "man" who has to carry a gun to "protect" himself is not a man but a pussy without the balls to learn to use his hands and feet if there must be violence.
Nice looking gun. I wouldn't mind having one of those. I could always turn around and sell it in case I'm delinquent homeowner.
Besides the concern about the size of their sexual organs, I strongly suspect that the main reason that this wusses carry weapons is that they are craven, piss-in-their-pants cowards. They are greatly afraid of everything, real and especially imaginary, so they need their protection. Evidence for this is that they are easily controlled by playing to fear, that they keep looking for someone to protect them from the boogeymen, that they are so fixated on fighting "evil" that seems to dominate their world. The weapon gives them a feeling of security. It is sort of like some little kid and his "blankie."
What conflict? And how does a .357 "de-escalate a conflict?" This is typical of the neocon mentality. Debtors are bad, according to the Republican ethos, unless it is your Wall Street brokerage. And how do you define 51 years of age as being old? While it may be true that the Republican National Committee did not direct this nut job to go out and wave a gun in a citizen's face, they did not repudiate his actions.
What conflict? And how does a .357 "de-escalate a conflict?" This is typical of the neocon mentality. Debtors are bad, according to the Republican ethos, unless it is your Wall Street brokerage. And how do you define 51 years of age as being old? While it may be true that the Republican National Committee did not direct this nut job to go out and wave a gun in a citizen's face, they did not repudiate his actions. Did the homeowner point a flamethrower at him?
1. It's idaho 2. It's republican 3. It's Wells (rascist) Fargo 4. It's using a penis "extension" 5. It's being a bully............so "it" will miss church tomorrow and people will "pray" for "its" captors to see in their "hearts" to release "it."
"It" will then returnanother day and bite you in the ass.
GOP = GROSS OLD POOP.
The Re-POOP-LICK-ans are at it again!
ALL POOP, ALL THE TIME. ALWAYS the same CRAP.
They're TRAITOROUS GUN-CRAZED FRAT-BRATS and are no help to Americans.
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The picture at the very top........is that a Smith and Wesson model 57?
I believe inTexas if someone approaches you with a weapon at your residense you have the right to shoot them. That law finally makes sense to me.
James~
You are one of those people who call yourself an independent, yet seem all too happy to place blame on "liberals." In short, you haven't got the stones to just admit you're a conservative teabagger (I love that most of them have no idea what the term means).
At least be honest about it.
Why does this article start out with his political affiliation when the incident happened when he was working for his employer Wells Fargo? If he had been a democratic leader in the same situation would that have been the opening line, a closing line, or not even mentioned? Are all people now going to be associated with their political party above and beyond all else and is this becoming the new media standard?
Sorry, James, but the states do indeed have the ability to legalize a marriage between two people of the same sex. We did that in Massachusetts over five years ago, much to the dismay of the "natural law" and "Christian family values" factions. They all predicted disastrous consequences to society, families, and of course children.
None of which have come to pass.
*sits back to await the badly overdue invasion of locusts, plagues, darkness, the Charles and the Connecticut turning to blood, etc. etc. etc. etc.*
Those "peopleoids" like James and others who do not percieve the issue, this Humanoid is a "GOP LEADER" are totally clueless, ergo, sans moral. OF COURSE, because he IS a Repulsican GOP "Leader" that this is an issue. This party, the party of "Family Values" and "morality," self proclaims the role of Moraity Czars. They think because they fear a "God" and believe in that voodoo, that THEY are the flagship of morality. In contradiction, they are the TITANIC of morality. They have, time and again, struck a field of icebergs, demonstrating their total LACK of moral. Their "Moral Compass" points SOUTH, and it shows in their actions. From Bush and his war, to DeLay and his graft, to Gonzales and YOO, and their breach of the Geneva Conventions, to this gun-totin' vigilante, time and again the "Party of Morals" has been quite the opposite. Jame re-inforces those very trends, believing the 2nd Amendment is intended to protect gun-nuts.
Tell you what James. OK, you have guns, but let's TAX Bullets like crazy! They tax tobacco and alcohol to discourage their use, lets TAX BULLETS. Tobacco and Alcohol kill. So do BULLETS.
Guns don't kill people, BULLETS DO! , so TAX BULLETS. Heavily....
End of problem.
Shaking my head.
I LOVE your last statement. They ALL don't know what it means or they'd SHUN that name, post haste!
How come you sorry ass liberals are not out protesting the war.....you know, like you were when Bush was president? Now that O-bomb-o is president and expanding our war effort, suddenly war is now OK with the liberal crowd. War and killing is great when a liberal does it, but wrong when someone other than a liberal does it. But most of us already knew honesty has never been what the liberal is known for. Hence, I am not really reporting anything new.
Ignorant, asshole liberals didn' t mind when their boy, Bill Clinton killed 10s of thousands of innocents in Yugoslavia in the 90s. But, because Bill Clinton was a sorry ass liberal, somehow this made war OK with you stupid fucks. Do you have any idea how stupid you look when you try to pin violence exclusively on Republicans? It makes all the rest of your arguments just as shallow, and meaningless. You are soooo gullible, so eaisly influenced. It's why the Communist and Marxist use you, then laugh at you. Someone hit it on the head when they called your kind, "useful idiots". Couldn't have said it better myself. You think as do herd animals, you are bred to follow. You are reactionary assholes who do not even know what they are for, or against. You stand for nothing.... and it shows.
The problem in America are the Limbaugh's, Beck's, Hannity's etc who have a one sided bully pulpit with which to incite the masses. Instead of inciting and creating dangerous anger in the masses, their shows should offer insight and that could be done by offering debate and counterpoint opinions instead of a one sided megaphone. Yes and those on the left should also be required to have debate from the right.
well well well, seems like anything goes hmmmmmm?
fucking douche
What a bunch of crap, this article's headline should be "Wells Fargo Contractor Pulls Gun on Delinquent Home Owner." What does his party affiliation have anything to do with it? If he had been a democrat I highly doubt it would have said word one about his party affiliation.
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Seriously? You are serious? Have you never watched Keith Oberman or MSN or Bill Maher? They pull the same exact stuff, it's not a one party thing.
Jim Peterson
'One of these days there will be a big shoot-out between some of these Republican crazy people.'
I believe they call that Armeggedon in their tribe.
WHY is this being made out to be a "Democrat / Republican" issue?? This liberal spin is blatant and pathetic. This is a story about a moron pulling a gun when he shouldn't have, and he should be charged for the crime. But to bring party affiliation into it is so cheeseball and desperate!
"Ban all guns. No, not kidding."
This is an entirely unreasonable proposal.
"Sounds like a response to me."
While it does constitute a response to my posting, it is not a response to my inquiry, as it proposes no actual, specific action.
@abrahambenjudea #7
Assault is when you make someone fear for their life. It doesn't matter how many bullets he had in the gun or if in your scenario he had 15 baseball bats. Additionally it wouldn't matter if he swung at the guy once or ten times. The law defines it as the state of mind of the person.
Now it does become a gray area when there is a great lapse in time between swings. For example, say he swung a bat at him, the victim runs into his house. Several hours later the victim comes back outside and is swung at again. Theoretically you could make the argument that they are two incidents because the victim feared for his life twice with a break in between those states of mind.
"Guns are an extension of the penis."
I have observed that advocates of civilian disarmament, as a collective, exhibit a significantly greater demonstrated psychological fixation upon male genitalia. While I can draw no specific conclusions, I have observed that such individuals are more likely than any other individual to introduce the subject of male genitals into an entirely irrelevant discussion, such as this one. Frequently they then suggest that those who do not share their possession are so obsessed, which appears to be psychological projection; that they introduce the subject themselves suggests that the obsession is theirs, and not another's. I have not established exacty why this is the case; I do not know if a fixation with male genitals itself tends to lead individuals to take positions oppossing civil liberties, if positions opposing civil liberties leads individuals to develop a fixation upon male genitals or if the relationship is a correlation, rather than a causation.
" Your warped distortion of the 2nd amendment has led to LAWS to counteract said gun nuts who buy 50 caliber weapons capable of piercing engine blocks and downing aircraft."
I am curious; why do you believe yourself qualified to discuss issues pertaining to firearms when you demonstrably possess no actual understanding of firearms?
" Does a State have the authority to declare that marriage is between two men or two women? No, it doesn't have that authority, because marriage is a fact based upon nature."
"Marriage" is a societally defined construct, not a "fact based upon nature". Your assertion is factually incorrect.
"Sorry, James, but the states do indeed have the ability to legalize a marriage between two people of the same sex. We did that in Massachusetts over five years ago, much to the dismay of the "natural law" and "Christian family values" factions. They all predicted disastrous consequences to society, families, and of course children.
None of which have come to pass."
The failure of the predictions of opponents of the legal recognition of same-sex marriage is similar to the failure of the predictions of opponents of permitting civilians to carry concealed deadly weapons in public. Both organizations can no longer rationally claim that their predictions are of merit, and thus their continued persistence can only serve to attempt to disguise their obvious failure and dishonesty.
abrahambenjudea:
sure, you're an idiot. You don't get an assault charge for each swing of the bat. (i'm going with your stupid analogy here.) He also did not fire (swinging the bat). Based on this story the guy is still at fault but you're analogy does not work and thinking that a gun should be charged with 6 counts of assault is just stupid when it was one action and nobody was actually hurt.
Typical republican response to anything. If it doesn't agree with them, then kill it.
N.R.A. National Rifle Assasination
What do you expect?
This is a personal matter? Please. Republicans in Congress and their minions like Beck and Limbaugh whip the looney fringe of their base into a frenzy of hate and fear by using ugly racist words and by equating Democrats and librals to Nazis then try to remove themselves from the aftermath when people like this clown behave exactly as they've been encouraged to. Well sorry guys, it doesn't work that way. When you hire PR firms that tell your folks that it's okay to carry guns and intimidate those you don't agree with, you don't get to say it wasn't your fault when the madness starts. It's Republican money paying the bills so it's Republicans who are responsible for what we're seeing now.
How long before these republican whackos swarm a town-hall meeting with their guns, firing randomly into the air and resembling a rally in the Middle East?
How many children are going to be shot by these gun toting republicans? How many babies are going to be blown out of their mother's arms when these unstable, gop/nra fanatics open fire?
When they can't start a war against another country, they are compelled to start one here.
The problem wasn't the gun. The problem was the idiot who pulled it.
Ask yourself this, has a criminal in the history of mankind ever said this to himself?
"Ya know, I would Rob that 7-11 but it's illegal for me to have this gun so I won't"
Make all the gun laws you want, the only people who are going to stop carrying one are normal people who actually obey laws. Criminals don't give a shit about gun laws.
[...] via The Raw Story » Idaho GOP leader, Wells Fargo contractor, pulls .357 Magnum on delinquent homeowner. [...]
The guy's political affiliation has absolutely nothing to do with this story, though admittedly if there was a fight between a conservative gang and a liberal gang, the liberal gang would lose hands down, and then get poor(but free!) health care once they reached the hospital, and the conservatives would be paying for it..
@David Syfrig
"What does his party affiliation have anything to do with it? If he had been a democrat I highly doubt it would have said word one about his party affiliation."
If he had been a democrat, then the article would've appeared in a right-wing cheerleading website instead of a left-wing cheerleading website.
Turning a reprehensible assault into a debate about gun control completely begs the question. The issue is never the instrument, but the person wielding it. To blame the gun is to sidestep the criminality of his of willful behavior.
First of all, what makes you think gun control would have helped the situation? It's against the law to point a gun at someone without a life threatening provocation. That is an existing law. Your concealed weapons permit does not come with a "get out of jail free" card, nor a license to assault whomever you like. The penalty for pointing a deadly weapon at someone without cause is much worse the penalty of illegally possessing a revolver. If he broke that law, what makes you think he would respect a law that says he wasn't allowed to carry a gun in the first place?
Secondly, lets assume all guns magically vanish from the face of the earth. Whoever feels the need for a gun will reach for the next deadliest portable weapon they can get their hands on. This man wanted to carry a deadly weapon. What makes you think he wouldn't grab something else if you took away his gun? Would everything have been just peachy if he had brandished a lead pipe or a hatchet? Would a slightly less efficient killing tool have transformed this aggressive a-hole into a gentle soul? I think not.
Also, pretending this thug's criminal actions are representative of all Republicans is childish. You can't tell me a registered Democrat never ever assaulted anyone. Transferring responsibility and blame for his criminal actions to a political party is no more helpful than transferring them to his gun. If this story got the facts right, HE and HE ALONE is the person deserving 100% of the blame. If you are so eager to transfer his blame elsewhere, why not blame the shoes he walked in or the car he drove there? Without these things, he probably would have never made it to that location to threaten his victim in the first place.
For those thinking I am some sort of Republican, I am not. I frankly have no use for Republicans nor Democrats, as I think both are destroying this country while gleefully gobbling up as much power and wealth as they can in the process. However, this criminal assault is neither about political parties nor the preferred weapon of an a-hole. Do all Democrat males insert cigars into their female employees? Do all married Republican men cheat on their wives? Such foolish generalizations detract from meaningful discourse. This issue is about one man committing a wrong and deserving some prison time. If everything in this story is correct, I doubt many Republicans and gun owners will shed a tear when this guy goes to jail.
Oh please, I live in an area of Louisiana where there are mostly Democrats. They pack their guns everywhere! I think a lot of the gun argument is split in regional areas. In the US., Agriculturally active states will be extremely pro gun whether you are a Democrat or Republican.
all of this shit is designed COINTELPRO crap intended to demonize the Second Amendment and make it possible for these tyrannical son's of bitch's to go house to house asking for guns.
when that time comes, I suggest they get internal organs that are impervious to hot led penetrating their body armor under armpits, at necks, and in crotches.
this is all about gun grabbing. Justification of that. no more, no less.
(watch the DINOCRAT piles of shit immediately issue a Janet 'lesbian' Napoletano memo about what a huge threat ANY GUN IS to the Patriot Act.
in a way, she's right. Every gun is a threat to their dictatorship. Every last one of the guns.
come disarm me, Janet, and your puppet boss. Just come try it.
Let's parse this gun-control thing a bit, shall we?
Let's divide the issue into 1) gun ownership on one's own property, and 2) gun possession in public.
The 2nd Amendment, in my opinion, absolutely guarantees the right to 1). Every business owner, every homeowner, who feels safer if he or she is able to mount an effective defense against violent crime on his or her property, should be allowed to own firearms. I believe few would disagree, maybe 2% of the population.
One's vehicle is considered by many to be an extension of "home"; I mainly agree, given the prevalence of car-jackings today. Certainly it is reasonable to assert the right of transporting one's weapons between private locations.
But then, what kind of weapons they should be allowed to keep? There seems to be a near-consensus, again, that rocket-launchers, hand-grenades, howitzers, full-auto weapons and the like should not be in the hands of ordinary citizens. Law Enforcement seems universally to be deeply uninterested in encountering such weapons, for instance. Criminals can steal them. Accidents with these items are rarely trivial. One could go on. A sensible line should be drawn.
So, Democracy and the Constitution being what they are, case closed. Agreed?
It is when you get into the area of 2), carrying in public, that wild disparity of opinion prevails. Almost nobody wants guns on planes. Ditto subways and buses. Or at ballparks, colleges, and other places where passions run high and alcohol is being robustly consumed.
One could argue that carrying at all in public is a terrible idea. What happens, for instance, if a stranger distracts you and an accomplice wrests your gun from you and kills someone else? Are you then accountable? Could you be charged as an accessory? If he shoots you, are you partly to blame, since you supplied the weapon?
Also, violent crime in public is by far rarer than on private property. It would seem that the need for carrying weapons in public is therefore minor. A system of permitting for those who can show that they need them, who carry large sums of cash, make bank deposits in person, or act as licensed bodyguards (or what have you) seems a fair compromise here.
The argument that "if more Good People had guns, the Bad Guys would be more cautious" is, I feel, flawed; are Good Guys (like the politician in this story) ALWAYS good? Isn't it dangerous to assume that Good Folks never lose their temper and fly off the handle? Part of responsible gun use is that one never yields to the urge to 'wave it around' just to prove a point or to intimidate, as here. Not good.
So the argument over possession outside the home or business is a bit thorny.
Plainly, a law against Guns would probably be every bit as successful as the laws against Drugs. Disarming the law-abiding is no answer. But neither is the idea of letting anyone carry any gun, anywhere.
In response to Thomas' post... the 2nd Amendment is NOT about protecting oneself from crime, though that is certainly a valid benefit of the amendment. It was written as a way for citizens to enforce the Constitutional limits on govt intrusions if need be. Without an armed citizenry, what's to stop an armed govt from ignoring the words written on a piece of paper telling them they have limits on their power?
You bring up valid points about where it's appropriate to carry guns and who should have guns. My thought is that any law abiding citizen of sound mind should be allowed to legally own a firearm, so long as they have never been convicted of violently violating another person's rights. I support instant background checks, but not gun registration.
you seen one wingnut, you've seen 'em all....
what is it with wingnuts and firearms? Are they birthers or deathers????
Why can't they go quietly into obscurity.....
@real
The guy who pulled the gun on the 51 y/o was 33. Guess who's the stronger man.
"How long before these republican whackos swarm a town-hall meeting with their guns, firing randomly into the air and resembling a rally in the Middle East?"
As this event has yet to occur, and as there exists no reason to believe that such an event will occur, there exists no reason to consider such events as being viable possibilities in the near future.
My state allows me to blow the head off anyone on my property that makes me fear for my safety or that of my family. He's lucky a "younger" 51 year old didn't holster that weapon up the Limpublican's a$$.
A GOPer / Beck groupie pulls a gun on a man at his own property. And right wingers have the nerve to call democrats fascists? LOL what a coward. Typical wing nut loonie. Lock him up and throw away the key.
This is purely a case of an individual who mis-used his firearm and he should pay the legal consequences, hence we was arrested. When you get a concealed permit you learn that brandishing the firearm is illegal, and the situations in which you can draw the weapon are much more restricted for a private citizen. This guy overstepped obviously and the homeowner did the right thing. This of course based on the info revealed in the published story.
To draw conclusions about Republicans and Guns is such a stretch as to be ridiculous. There are a lot of Democrat and other party represented gun owners out there, and for every case of an incident of mis-use of a firearm by a normally law abiding citizen, there are many more instances of proper carry and use of a firearm. You never hear about those because they either are not noticed by anyone (proper concealed carry), not reported to the media by the person or the police, or the media mostly find it not newsworthy. People defend themselves with guns within the law without the police present every single day.
The police are a 1st responder force, not the first line of protection. YOU are your first line of protection. To think otherwise is fantasy. A gun is a tool, nothing more. In principal, the same as knife or baseball bat. It is an equalizer, it does enable a less equipped person to defend themselves against a much more capable aggressor. It is in interesting that time and time again it is proven empirically, where 2nd Amendment rights are not suppressed by over reaching federal, state and local laws, that crime rates are significantly lower.
I find in many conversations with people who react very strongly to someone owning a gun that their opinion has an incredible emotional foundation, usually based on fear of the gun itself, or what someone "might" do with one, or that because they read someone killed someone with one, the best solution is to get rid of guns. The same could be said of cars with this logic.
The root problem is violence in society, and its root causes and the outlets through which it manifests. Guns are just one component that can be used improperly. Criminals ignore the laws by the very labels representing them. The laws on the books that keep piling up are an agenda to eliminate their existence, not to deter criminals, as the base set of laws put in place to prosecute criminals suffice quite nicely, if they were every fully enforced, which is rarely, unfortunately.
Bottom line is society allows criminal behavior to exist. How else can gangs operate themselves from within the prison system? Because society and our leaders are unwilling to make some really hard and large decisions, to say enough is enough.
"Without an armed citizenry, what's to stop an armed govt from ignoring the words written on a piece of paper telling them they have limits on their power?
"
Here we see someone who is compeltly ignorant of history. Iraq, Iran and numerous other countries in this century the last century and throughout history have had armed citienry yet had tyranical gov'ts that ignored the law. Guess what the armed citizenry didn't prevent jack. It allowed the tyranical gov't it's power.
Tyranical gov'ts are upheld by the will of the people. It's only when the tyranical gov't causes the people to hate the leaders for their despotic actions that revolt happens. Guess what in these cases it's the citizens who make their own weapons that forment revolt that has the effect of turning the countries own army against itself.
Hitler had the support of his people. So did Stalin and Lenin. Here is the thing Communism changed nothing as to how many countries treated their citizens. Under the Czars and many other countries whose gov'ts were overthrown to be replaced by communism nothing changed except the communists didn't make the people hate them. Land and everything else that was owned by the former gov't was then owned by the Communists.
Here is the thing a US facsist run gov't would be supported by you teabaggers if it claimed to be Christian and was run by whites.
*** "McAffee brandished the weapon to de-escalate the conflict," he asserted. ****
Typical Republican logic. They use it all the time.
Kevin, you are full of shit.
The Second Amendment - WITH the "well-regulated militia" clause - was CLEARLY designed to protect citizens against foreign invaders, NOT to use them against a government they don't like. The Founders created ELECTIONS for that.
You are propagating yet another republican lie. There are so many of them.
@kate "only a matter od time....."
i do believe that time has already happened .. and continues to happen .. time and time again
[...] According to police in the Boise suburb of Meridian, resident Robert Lutes called officers just before 5:30 p.m. Tuesday to report McAffee had pointed a .357 Magnum handgun at him during a verbal confrontation. McAffee acknowledged he pointed the gun at Lutes, according to the police account. (His employer? A Wells Fargo contractor). Original Story Link [...]
Violence is always the first resort of the dimwitted.
Hello -
When I obtained my license, I took a class with a licensed instructor who explained that concealed carry is intended to promote a safer society because CRIMINALS do not know who is or is not carrying a firearm, and therefore do not commit as many crimes. The background check on my CCL was extensive, including fingerprints, etc. and I spent a significant amount of money obtaining my permit. So, it behooves me to observe and obey the laws, and not go waving firearms around willy nilly like it sounds like this GOP party leader did... and it sounds like he is going to face the consequences of his behavior. In Texas, it would mean if he's convicted of a felony or misdemeanor that he cannot have a CCL license.
So, though I understand those who think that the government or the police are going to protect you - even though the US Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no specific obligation to protect individuals from crime - keep thinking that. If someone breaks into my house, my secured firearms give me a CHANCE to survive and protect my family. That means nothing to many Americans, which is sad. However, I was trying to add my opinion that just because this guy did this, does not mean that CCL holders are all knuckleheads like this person. We are law-abiding people who will probably defend you if you need help, if we have the means to do so.
It's sad to me how many hurtful comments people are making about Americans who want to protect themselves and their families, and being made out to be threatening other law-abiding Americans. Of course, I'm angry at this man for doing this, as it is immoral and unethical to threaten to use a firearm against someone on their own property. If that happened here, you'd be reading about the GOP Party rep who tried to pull one on a homeowner and picked the wrong one. And the homeowner would be %100 justified to protect themselves from someone brandishing a firearm while trespassing on their property.
Respectfully,
Rob
If a democrat were to have done this, this would be ALL over FOX news and the Republican party would be bashing democrats nonstop. Seriously, when are Republicans going to grow up?
i belong to no political party. i have a gun
if i blow you away, i am right because you are dead =D
if you terminate me, i wont have much to complain about eh.
the problem is, all of you people are the result of hundreds of years of "society" "civilization" "peace" "love". or in other words: you are all (including myself) mental and physical degenerates.
im not trying to offend, just stating fact
such is nature...
[...] Republican Official’s Idea of How to De-Escalates a Conflict – Charles McAffee, an employee of a contractor for Wells Fargo, was sent to photograph a house whose owner, Robert Lutes, was delinquent on his mortgage. Lutes said, “I’m trying to find out why he’s taking pictures of my house. I said, ‘Knock on my door, let me know what you want.’ Then, I think he’s reaching for his business card and he pulls out a concealed weapon and I think he’s going to blow my head off.” McAffee acknowledged he pointed the .357 Magnum handgun at Lutes, according to the police account. [...]
I thought there was an odd proportion of mindless liberal babble in the comments section. I just drifted here through Google, so I didn't realize where I was commenting. Then I took a look at the main blog and web site. I think I'll quietly pull away now and let you liberals go ahead and congregate in your little parallel universe. Sorry for the intrusion.
p.s. For the record, for those libs who simply cannot make proper distinctions and argue reasonably, yes I am a conservative, yes I am a supporter of the "tea party" movement, yes I always opposed the Iraq war, yes I thought Bush's presidency was largely a failure and many of his measures a threat to our freedoms, and yes, I think Obama is worse.
Adios suckas.
No worries, Obama will pay Lutes' mortgage and take McAffee's gun. Socialism, problem solved.
Wells Fargo. What a shock! Yes, scum attracts scum.
I would like to her the entire story form both sides. I was in the 1st group in Arkansas to get a Concealed Carry Permit, and in the past 12 plus years, I have carried a gun, I have pulled it once and shown it once and it DID keep me from being hurt ot killed. I went to court over one and the judge said, "He told you on several occasions to get off his property, the Police removed you 2 or 3 times, If you go back, You have been Warned, and if he shoots you, I will rule in his favor, Case dismissed." So, I would like to hear 'The Rest of the Story".
[...] Myths and Morality in Health Insurance Reform Town Howlers and Guns August 23, 2009 The Raw Story is reporting - The Republican Party chairman of Boise County in Idaho was arrested Thursday for aggravated [...]
Dimensio. What makes YOU any more qualified to question my analysis of the 2nd amendment intent? It's like "Christians" reading hte intents of the Founding Fathers and not reacying ANY of their scathing commentaries on Christianity and the Bible. And as far as gun nuts brandishing weapons at rallies (and the event not having "occurred"). It almost already had. TWO incidents in which gun brandishing individuals were aprehended and arrested for POSSESSING CONCEALED WEAPONS at two rallies at which the President was about to attend does show how far gun nuts will go, carrying guns to public events. We must include the statement "Confronting exercise of first amendment rights" (a passive threat) to their actions. It is only one step away from an individual actually using that weapon. And I laugh at gun people justifying their possession of weapons to "counteract" a government that may 'violate our rights'. OK. Hypothetical scenario. Government imposes "Martial Law". Gun people get weapons. "US Army" (of 10,000 at least for starters (instituted by Bush against Posse Commitatus with a domestic military force against US citizens) is deployed. Plus the rest of the military, if needed. People with small arms like 357's and whatever, now fight against US army of trained soldiers and use of crowd control systems like gases, the "Pain Ray" and other well advanced crowd controls. That would be an interesting scenaario to see played out. US military-1, gun people-0. Tax bullets, have all the guns you desire. And arguing "Marriage"" as "nature" is stupid as thousands of species are homosexually motivated also. Rights should not deemed by votes of an undeucated public.
Goom bye , James!! Go back to Hannity, Faux News, Limbaugh and the other glibness and lies.. We are coming out of the Bush-induced crash....
I hope Wells Fargo fires this guy and he winds up on the unemployment line with no health insurance.
Pretty simple isn't it? Most of us would be alarmed to see a gun in anyone' s hands on our property? Apropriate behavior with a gun sin't common knowledge yet, apparently! Until it is, we need gun regulations that keep hot heads from carrying them to make a point--or to de-escillage an argument! Surely it doesn't take too much intelligence to realize that a gun would UP the anti....not de-escillage!
Amazing!
Wow lots of morons here! Did it ever occur to you the whole thing may be fabricate? He's not the Boise county Chairman and His name is not Charles. The Charges are trumped up but thank god for free speech so we know who the morons are and what were up against... Sigh!
It his word against the lying home-owner and no one was hurt. No injured party no crime!
"The Second Amendment - WITH the "well-regulated militia" clause - was CLEARLY designed to protect citizens against foreign invaders, NOT to use them against a government they don't like."
There exists no "clause" addressing a "well-regulated militia". The phrase "well-regulated militia" exists as part of a "justification phrase", not as a clause that frames limitations or definitions of the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution.
" What makes YOU any more qualified to question my analysis of the 2nd amendment intent? "
My analysis was of your statement regarding the purchasing of "50 caliber weapons capable of piercing engine blocks and downing aircraft". Such firearms are not available for purchase to the general public. While organizations advocating total civilian disarmament have claimed that .50 caliber semi-automatic rifles are capable of shooting down aircraft, in an attempt to attain support for a federal prohibition on such firearms, those claims are lies, and in fact such rifles have never been used to disable an in-flight aircraft, nor is it reasonable to believe that an individual armed with such a rifle could accomplish such a task. If you are unaware of this, then you lack an understanding of firearms and thus are not qualified to comment on the subject. If you are aware of this, then you are willfully lying, and thus your claims on the subject are not credible.
You made reference also to "mobs" equipped with Uzi submachineguns and AK-47 assault rifles, evidently unaware that such firearms are also restricted by federal law and, as such, are not available to most civilians.
Uh there were tests showing a person could down an airplane from over a mile away from the airport when a 747 or Air Force One is coming down for a landing or takeoff.
You don't even have to be a trained sniper to pull it off either. Also helicopters, guard towers on nuke plants, armored cars, the popemobile and the presidents limo or any bullet proof vehicle can have their engine block taken out with the .50 cal then one shot quickly aimed can go through the passenger compartement killing the occupents. It's freaking easy to do so.
Also guess what one could buy .50 cal and the rounds even if you were a terrorist since the NRA wants criminals who want to commit crimes to buy guns with as little hinderance as possible.
The .50 cal was designed and used as an anti-tank rifle. Sure modern US tanks might not be killable with it but plenty of other tanks around the world are killable with it as well as APCs and other armored vehicles.
"Uh there were tests showing a person could down an airplane from over a mile away from the airport when a 747 or Air Force One is coming down for a landing or takeoff."
Please provide a reference to these tests.
"You don't even have to be a trained sniper to pull it off either. Also helicopters, guard towers on nuke plants, armored cars, the popemobile and the presidents limo or any bullet proof vehicle can have their engine block taken out with the .50 cal then one shot quickly aimed can go through the passenger compartement killing the occupents. It's freaking easy to do so.
Then you should be able to demonstrate this ease. Please do so.
"Also guess what one could buy .50 cal and the rounds even if you were a terrorist since the NRA wants criminals who want to commit crimes to buy guns with as little hinderance as possible."
Your assertion is false, and thus you are a liar for making this claim. The National Rifle Association is openly supportive of the existing federal prohibition on the possession of firearms by individuals who have been convicted of any felony offense, and they have never expressed opposition to this prohibition. The National Rifle Association has also been supportive of legislation requiring mandatory background investigations of firearms purchasers, and in fact they have assisted in authoring legislation intended to make such investigations more reliable and more accurate. As you are a demonstrable liar, your claims cannot be considered credible.
"The .50 cal was designed and used as an anti-tank rifle."
Civilian-marketed .50BMG-caliber firearms are intended for recreational shooting, as there exists few other appliactions for them. Additionally, as you have already established that you are willing to lie as a means of supporting your position, your statements are not credible.
". The National Rifle Association has also been supportive of legislation requiring mandatory background investigations of firearms purchasers, and in fact they have assisted in authoring legislation intended to make such investigations more reliable and more accurate."
Bull hockey. The NRA has opposed efforts to shut down gun dealers with history of allowing straw purchases. The vast majority of guns used in criminal activities often at a percantage higher then 90 percent traces back to 1% of gun dealers.
http://www.csgv.org/site/c.pmL5JnO7KzE/b.3509285/k.B594/Gun_Show_Loophole.htm
. That means that two out of every five guns sold in the United States change hands without a background check. Though commonly referred to as the “Gun Show Loophole,” the “private sales” described above include guns sold at gun shows, through classified newspaper ads, the Internet, and between individuals virtually anywhere.
The NRA has opposed every effort to close these loopholes.
The NRA has opposed efforts to make every piece of ammo be registered as well as every gun barrel upon manufactoring so when slugs are retrived the slug can be scanned then the gun if it was shot from a barrel registered, who owned the gun last as well as where it was sold from would be traced aiding police in the efforts to find the shooter of the gun.
The NRA opposes efforts to raise taxes on ammo to two cents per cartridge when arrows have a 43 cent excise tax on each arrow.
"Gavin Newsom joined forces in San Francisco Monday to bring awareness to a campaign aimed at stopping the flow of illegal guns into U.S. cities.
The aim of the bipartisan campaign, brought about by Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a group which brings together some 225 mayors, is to prevent criminals from illegally obtaining guns by cracking down on gun dealers. It also is pushing for law enforcement to be able to share information easier.
The coalition opposes a federal measure that restricts the ability of law enforcement to use gun trace data, which tracks the movement of a firearm from its sale to its first retail purchaser, to fight against illegal gun trafficking.
Since 2003, an amendment has been attached to a U.S. Department of Justice appropriations bill that prevents cities, states and police from accessing and using Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and Explosives gun trace data, according to the coalition.
The coalition is trying to prevent the renewal of the amendment."
The NRA sponsored that amendment and pushed for it an amdendment that prevents sharing of info that would lead to the arrest of shady gun dealers.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/DN-shooting_05met.ART.State.Edition1.4ab463f.html concerns a .50 caliber bullet that struck someone five miles away from where it was shot.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/18826944.html?numComments=16 mentions Air Force base officals stating that .50 caliber rifles can shoot down planes.
CNN has done reports on .50 caliber rifles being used to kill police officers in Mexico.
It's easier to buy a .50 caliber rifle in the US then a handgun.
http://www.aviationtoday.com/regions/usa/3218.html
The marketing literature of one manufacturer of these sniper rifles waxes enthusiastic not about the weapon's lethality against big game, but against big airplanes: "The cost- effectiveness of the Model 82A1 cannot be overemphasized when a round of ammunition purchased for less than $10 can be used to destroy or disable a modern jet aircraft."
Numerous reports done by the Rand Corporation on behalf of the US Secret Service and the US military have statedon .50 caliber rifles "The weapons are more
accurate than shoulder fired antitank rockets and, if used against aircraft, immune
to electronic counter measures."
Here is a small snippet describing another analysis this time done by the Department of Homeland Security. A risk analysis prepared
states that the long range and power of 50 caliber sniper rifles
enable them to “target fuel tanks, passengers, pilots, and down aircraft in worst
case.” The analysis also noted that Al Qaeda and the IRA have acquired 50
caliber sniper rifles and that they have been used against Coalition forces in Iraq.
[...] The Raw Story » Idaho GOP leader, Wells Fargo contractor, pulls .357 Magnum on delinquent homeowner "Charles McAffee, 33, was among Idaho's anti-tax tea-party activists, and is a member of the Idaho Republican Party Central Committee. He was arrested after pulling a handgun on a homeowner whose mortgage his employer sought to photograph for being delinquent. His employer is a contractor for Wells Fargo." McAffee brandished the weapon to de-escalate the conflict," he asserted. Yes, you read that right: he pulled a gun to de-escalate the conflict." (tags: idaho republicans politics weapons crime legal usa) [...]
"Bull hockey. The NRA has opposed efforts to shut down gun dealers with history of allowing straw purchases."
Please substantiate this assertion. Knowingly enabling a "straw purchase" is a felony offense; please demonstrate that the National Rifle Associaton has defended firearms resellers who have willfully violated federal law.
"That means that two out of every five guns sold in the United States change hands without a background check. Though commonly referred to as the “Gun Show Loophole,” the “private sales” described above include guns sold at gun shows, through classified newspaper ads, the Internet, and between individuals virtually anywhere.
The NRA has opposed every effort to close these loopholes."
Common proposals to "close" such "loopholes" are inherently invasive and unreasonable, and often rely upon inherently dishonest premises. Moreover, the United States federal government possesses no authority to regulate intrastate sales of firearms. A means of allowing private sellers to conduct background investigations against the NICS database would be a means for states to "close" a "private seller" loophole however as advocates of "closing" such "loopholes" are, in reality, attempting to accomplish the goal of total firearms prohibition no such proposal has been provided by them.
"The NRA has opposed efforts to make every piece of ammo be registered as well as every gun barrel upon manufactoring so when slugs are retrived the slug can be scanned then the gun if it was shot from a barrel registered, who owned the gun last as well as where it was sold from would be traced aiding police in the efforts to find the shooter of the gun."
Such registration is entirely unreasonable. Mandating the registration of ammunition is impractical, as many firearms enthusiasts "reload" ammunition, and would have no means of registering re-used ammunition components. Registration of firearm barrels for the purpose that you describe is irrational; it is impossible to accurately match a fired slug to a specific barrel. Moreover, national firearms registration is forbidden by law. Firearms already possess serial numbers, as mandated by federal law, which may be used to trace ownership should a firearm be recovered.
"The NRA opposes efforts to raise taxes on ammo to two cents per cartridge when arrows have a 43 cent excise tax on each arrow."
What justification exists for such a tax?
"The NRA sponsored that amendment and pushed for it an amdendment that prevents sharing of info that would lead to the arrest of shady gun dealers."
You are making reference to the Tiahrt amendment, but your description of it is false and dishonest. The Tiahrt amendment forbids the sharing of firearms trace data without justification to prevent "fishing expeditions" by law enforcement agencies. The sharing of such data is allowed when directly related to a relevant investigation; there exists no justification for allowing the sharing of such data outside of existing investigations.
"http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/DN-shooting_05met.ART.State.Edition1.4ab463f.html concerns a .50 caliber bullet that struck someone five miles away from where it was shot. "
Did this shot result in the downing of any aircraft?
"http://www.lvrj.com/news/18826944.html?numComments=16 mentions Air Force base officals stating that .50 caliber rifles can shoot down planes. "
An unsubstantiated claim stating that a civilian-marketed .50BMG rifle could potentially shoot down aircraft does not constitute a demonstration that such an event is possible or likely.
"CNN has done reports on .50 caliber rifles being used to kill police officers in Mexico."
I am not speaking of firearms issues in the nation of Mexico.
"It's easier to buy a .50 caliber rifle in the US then a handgun."
This, obviously, varies from state to state. In the state of California, it is impossible for a civilian to purchase a rifle chambered in .50BMG.
"http://www.aviationtoday.com/regions/usa/3218.html
The marketing literature of one manufacturer of these sniper rifles waxes enthusiastic not about the weapon's lethality against big game, but against big airplanes: "The cost- effectiveness of the Model 82A1 cannot be overemphasized when a round of ammunition purchased for less than $10 can be used to destroy or disable a modern jet aircraft."
The unsubstantiated claim that civilian-marketed .50BMG caliber rifles can shoot down aircraft does not constitute a demonstration of such. Given that .50BMG rifles are currently available to civilians yet thus far no civilian aircraft has been shot down in flight with such a rifle, there currently exists no justification for a restriction on such firearms.
"Numerous reports done by the Rand Corporation on behalf of the US Secret Service and the US military have statedon .50 caliber rifles "The weapons are more
accurate than shoulder fired antitank rockets and, if used against aircraft, immune
to electronic counter measures." "
The reference that you have provided relates to a "study" issued by the Violence Policy Center. The Violence Policy Center has openly acknowledged engaging in willfully dishonest claims as a means of creating "confusion" amongst the public as a means of attaining support for further firearms restrictions. An organization that openly acknowledges reliance upon a misunderstanding by the general public as a means of attaining support for their agenda cannot be considered to be a credible source of data.
"Here is a small snippet describing another analysis this time done by the Department of Homeland Security. A risk analysis prepared
states that the long range and power of 50 caliber sniper rifles
enable them to “target fuel tanks, passengers, pilots, and down aircraft in worst
case.” The analysis also noted that Al Qaeda and the IRA have acquired 50
caliber sniper rifles and that they have been used against Coalition forces in Iraq."
This does not constitute a demonstration that the shooting of an in-flight civilian aircraft is trivial with a civilian-marketed .50BMG rifle.
A maximum caliber size of .50 for civilian-marketed firearms was established in 1934, thus that caliber has been legally available to civilians for at least seventy-five years. If you believe that the maximum caliber size should be further restricted, then you must justify such a proposed restriction by demonstrating that significant harm has resulted from civilians utilizing firearms in such a caliber. Speculated harm that has yet to actually occur is not sufficient justification, and it is not reasonable to enact a prohibition based upon such speculation.
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What the POS libtards mean by "gun control", is outlawing gun ownership completely. After all, only the zombies under the control of the Obama marxists should be allowed to own weapons and threaten US citizens, right libtards? Communists, marxists, socialists, democrats, liberals, progressives. Different names, same terrible ideas.
if idioteraser is true to his name, he will erase himself.
One difference between Dems and Repugs: When someone kills a cop, you find "Democratic leaders" organizing marches to support them (the killers). http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=291793
This guy committed a crime (assault) with a gun and is going to pay for it. I'm sure everyone here thinks that is right.
How many of you thought that Mumia should have gone free for killing a cop? "Leaders" in the Democratic party thought so.
Ahem one can find marches to support people who killed people from Republican leaders especially when it involves the killing of innocent people who are from a different country or if they are American when their skin tone is dark.