Reactionary radio host and white supremacist Hal Turner was taken into custody Wednesday after remarks urging Catholics to "take up arms" against two Connecticut lawmakers and a state ethics official over legislation being considered in the state legislature regarding the church.
Connecticut Capitol police got a warrant for Turner's arrest. The Hartford Courant fills in the details:
Turner, who has been identified as a white supremacist and anti-Semite by several anti-racism groups, hosts an Internet radio program with an associated blog. On Tuesday, the blog included a post that promised to release the home addresses of state Rep. Michael Lawlor, state Sen. Andrew McDonald and Thomas Jones of the State Ethics Office.
"Mr. Turner's comments are above and beyond the threshold of free speech," Capitol Police Chief Michael J. Fallon said in an e-mail announcing the warrant. "He is inciting others through his website to commit acts of violence and has created fear and alarm. He should be held accountable for his conduct."
The remarks on the blog were a reaction to the recent controversy over a bill that would have changed the way the Roman Catholic Church is governed, taking power away from church officials and turning it over to lay members. It was pulled in mid-March following an outcry from Catholics across the state and questions about its constitutionality.
Turner used to be a regular on Sean Hannity's radio show (the Fox news pundit). When Hannity said he didn't have an association with Turner earlier this year, Turner wrote:
I was quite disappointed when Sean Hannity at first tried to say he didn't know me and then went on to say that I ran some senate campaign in New Jersey. In fact, Sean Hannity does know me and we were quite friendly a number of years ago.
When Hannity took over Bob Grant's spot on 77 WABC in New York City, I was a well-known, regular and welcome caller to his show. Through those calls, Sean and I got to know each other a bit and at some point, I can't remember exactly when, Sean gave me the secret "Guest call-in number" at WABC so that my calls could always get on the air.
Liberal blogger John Amato at CrooksandLiars highlights Turner's blog posting in which he suggested that the lawmakers be made "an example of as a warning."
"It is our intent to foment direct action against these individuals personally," the blog stated. "These beastly government officials should be made an example of as a warning to others in government: Obey the Constitution or die."
And, the post continued, "If any state attorney, police department or court thinks they're going to get uppity with us about this; I suspect we have enough bullets to put them down too."
-John Byrne
It's good to see that somebody is finally drawn the line on inciteful behavior. If only the FBI in Kansas City had done the same thing. . .if only the FBI in general would now do the same thing with the terrorism incited by anti-choice groups that call for the murder of law-abiding doctors and citizens.
This looks like a serious overreach of police powers. As much as I love to see right wing nut cases put in the slammer, this case blurs the line between free angry speech and police oppression. I did not see a direct threat and my first thought was to wonder if my own blog might contains anything an over zealous cop could use to justify arresting me.
It's about fucking time these rabid and ridiculous hate mongers in the reich-wing were held responsible for their inflammatory, and volatile rhetoric.
O'Reilly
i wonder how long it is before they go after the raw story commenters and their death threats and incitement?
Turner's right. When government is completely out of control, it needs to be met with force.
Juan Liberale said: "wonder if my own blog might contains anything"
well, Juan, if your blog contains shit like 'we have enough bullets for them too' an 'im advocating direct action.. these people need to obey us or die, heres their address'... i hope you do fucking get arrested.
igor they were talking about reorganizing church management. . if that warrants the death penalty in your warped vision of 'freedom fighting', please go join the taliban or some other fitting group
Talkshow hosts here in Tampa use this kind of inflamed rhetoric all the time on the air but hey, this state is run by Republican Conservatives so, they get a pass.
During WWII there was a radio show on radio Berlin done by an Englishman
in sympathy with the Germans. He was known as Lord Ha Ha....after the war
in June of 1945 he was arrested by British forces...he was sent to London.
He received a trial and was properly hung in January of 1946.
Christ's personality and message does not resemble anything these Right Wing
Catholic extremists say about him and the Church.
"a bill that would have changed the way the Roman Catholic Church is governed, taking power away from church officials and turning it over to lay members. It was pulled in mid-March following an outcry from Catholics across the state and questions about its constitutionality. "
What is the state doing telling the church how it can govern itself? That does sound unconstitutional. I for one would like to know more about this bill. That being said, there are ways to impact a bills chance in becoming law that does not need to include violence.
I believe that we are drowning in law enforcement and that a 2/3 across the board cut in LE funding is in order. But I also believe that most Christian leaders should be in jail along with many of their flock. I would support Law enforcement if they would eliminate dangers to our society like Xians. Hell we built all of those prison camps! Let's just call them Christian retreats.
I think there is a bigger item going on here... when you watch the news, you see Muslim militants in other Islamic countries that are their "extremists". Not all Muslims are extreme - many are moderate and believe in personal choice and preservation of life.
As Gay Marriage, Marijuana decriminalization, et al., progresses - hence the shooting of the late-term abortion doctor Tiller that recently took place. The Christian extremists (that's who propagated that shooting - praise Jesus!) are going to end up creating civil unrest the more and more of these laws pass by the States as the religions feel "threatened". Watch.... *sigh*
So the Church is losing power... watch the wars break out to retain that power.
That's right. When you have an over staffed Police force in a Police state "crime" must happen. The beast eats his tail. Free speech is dying and it should be completely dead as the dictatorship continues to unfold. The CIA/KGB perfected MIND CONTROL during the cold war. It is called PEER PRESSURE and GROUP THINK. The InterNET spreads the disease. Look at the comments above. On raw, one of the best sites out here, and people are cheering that a man got locked up over words. remember children, "sticks and stones but not words!!!!"
Hmm
I wonder if this has anything to do with Hal Turner exposing Israel for bribing many in our Congress and Senate...?
Our tax dollars going to Israel, they then use the money to bribe our government..
Bring it on, Pedophile Pope sucker!
There is a limit to free speech e.g. you can't yell "fire" in a packed theater. Anyone who encourages others to do violence should be arrested and tried in a court of law.
7, what difference does it make what the bill was about? When you state you have enough bullets to kill someone, state that they should follow the Constitution or die, then publish their names and addresses, that's a pretty clear threat. And since the murder of George Tiller, I have a feeling the FBI will be listening more and taking seriously these kinds of threats, veiled or not.
Oh yeah, that's a another one, Kayttt2000 $2.4BB sent to Israel for military purposes, but I still see people on Brooklyn streets hungry that need medical, mental, and educational help to get back on track. Imaging how far that would go on every street in America... oh what is that stuff we don't need...... you know... housing... food... at least they can have a missile to curl up next to....
Now with 25% more white phosphorus....
It's strange? how sean hannity now does not remember his best buddy hal turner. He was A guess on his radio show for years. It sounds like another denyer. peter, I do not know this man jesus.
Juan Liberale, go fuck yourself, you politically correct piece of shit.
Natty, understand your concern and agree that they are only words. However, there are a lot of crazies out there who will do violence of they are encouraged to do so. The most recent example of this is the murder of Dr. Tiller.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say anything, anytime or anywhere, there are common sense limits that must be observed.
Juan Liberale, you don't see the words "If any state attorney, police department or court thinks they're going to get uppity with us about this; I suspect we have enough bullets to put them down too." as being a 'direct threat'???? MY GOD!!!!! Then what WOULD you consider a 'direct threat'??? Last time I checked threatening to shoot people for doing their jobs WAS a direct threat!! And NOT just any people but the very people that WE THE PEOPLE have charged with administering OUR law enforcement needs. And obviously there is a need for them to get people like Hal Turner behind bars were he will not be such a threat to our nation and people!
What's sad is Raw doesn't bother to put any of the "offending quotes" in the "news article". I'm not surfing to some psycho's website to read over his material, but it would be nice to be able to make some kind of "informed opinion" on this "news"; that requires information.
miss skeptic
As I stated, what the bill is about makes no difference . It just seems strange to have a that dropped into the story, a bill where the state involves itself with church business.
7, Try to calm down first and then take the time to realise that Yes you are correct that the bill was indeed unconsitutional and that is why IT WAS PULLED!!! That means it is NOT a bill any longer!!!! It was an idea that some (most likely CATHOLIC) legislatures thought was a good idea to put the power of the church into the hands of the people instead of a small clidhe of pediophiles. And irt isn't a bad idea. It just isn't the states business but the members of the church. And if the Catholic Church doesn't do something like it they will continue to lose more and more members as they have been doing. But NOTHING in the legislators presenting this bill that is no more would excuse calling for them to be murdered!!!! Unconstituion legislation is presented all the time in every state and the federal government. It is most often debated and thrown out before it ever reaches the legislatures floor, occasional it does make it for a vote and is defeated, and even every so often an unconstituional bil is PASSED (Patriot Act anyone?) and it ends up going to our courts were it is either declared unconstitutional or not, and when not it is usually appealed and may eventually end up in the Supreme Court and they have the final if it is indeed consitutional or not. THAT IS HOW OUR GOVERNMENT HAS WORKED FOR OVER 230 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS HOW OUR CONSTITUTION SAYS IT IS SUPPOSED TO WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you are an American you SHOULD be well aware of ALL that!!!!!!!!!
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is its natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusetts: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen-yard in order."
Thomas Jefferson, to William Stephens Smith, 13 November 1787
Again:
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms."
"LET THEM TAKE ARMS."
Raise your hand if you're up for arresting and trying Jefferson posthumously for "inciting".
Thought so.
Savantster, if you mean the "offending quotes" by Turner there are some of them there at the bottom of the article.
For ANYONE doubting the seriousness of this offense, look into the history of the Rwandan genocide and the role of radio propagandists. You can rouse the rabble.
This in no way is a 1st Amendment issue and you ought to take the time read that short paragraph before making a fool of yourself.
This particular collection of Goebbels, by association, see their role as defenders of the Catholic Church. O'Reilly and Hannity: Irish Catholics who, if I were Pope, would slap those lying cowardly bullies down so hard, St. Peter would feel it in his buried bones all the way in Rome.
If any more terrorist shit happens, there will be a backlash against the church, like their is against Islam. Unreasonable... yes, but it is a matter of the public not seeing the strong condemnation from the top of crucial organizations.
Where is this guy's Bishop?
Figures, I misread "the blog stated".. for some reason I thought that was another quote from law enforcement (after reading the first statement, which would be in keeping with something law enforcement would say.. to dissuade others yadda yadda).. I guess I need to read through the end
Though, to be fair, it kind of doesn't make sense to put the "subject" as the last thing in writing (not to me)..
to Juan Liberale:
"If any state attorney, police department or court thinks they're going to get uppity with us about this; I suspect we have enough bullets to put them down too."
>You don't see any threat in that? Are you friggin' nuts?
to decora:
"i wonder how long it is before they go after the raw story commenters and their death threats and incitement?"
>I've been reading RawStory for years, and have NEVER seen death threats. EVER. In fact, that's why Progressives are better than Conservatives: Wingnuts walk into churches and kill people. WE let people like Limbaugh and Hannity continue to breathe!
"3Veronica
It's about fucking time these rabid and ridiculous hate mongers in the reich-wing were held responsible for their inflammatory, and volatile rhetoric."
And you're calling others hate mongers? How ridiculous.
Thomas Jefferson, ummmmmmmm......... as I recall those that Jefferson was inciting violence again DID indeed seek to have him arrested because they were loyal to their country which was England and Jefferson was inciting violence against the government of England. Thus those who are loyal to the United States of America call for the arrest of those who incite violence against the government of the United States of America.
Hell lets see if I can't make that simpler so you will 'get it'....
To the English those who called for taking up arms against the government of England were TRAITORS
To Americans those who call for taking up arm against the United States of America are ??????? come on TOM I know you know this one!!!! YES that's right TRAITORS!!!! Very good! But also terrorists under our new laws that Congress passed a while back that may or may not be unconstitutional.
T.J.
You dope.
Raise your hand if you're up for arresting and trying Jefferson posthumously for "inciting".
D'uh, I think King George raised his hand.
I hear you on that Savantster. My guess is because it's from one of them dang DFH blogs.
If you are disturbed by these hate mongers inciting violence you need to do more than post comments on blogs. You need to file complaints with the appropriate law enforcement agencies and follow up to make sure they are taking action. You will be creating a paper trail and they will have to take action.
The time to stop these armed wing-nuts is now. Tomorrow may be too late.
Thomas Brown, I've been reading RawStory for a long time too and I'm not certain but I almost do thing that Fallicy Admirer or some of the other radical far right that used to comment here may have made death threats but not towards any specific individuals like this Turner creep has been getting away with doing for years.
Terrible & Allen,
Jefferson wrote that letter in 1787. The American Revolution ended in 1783. Jefferson was NOT subject to arrest by the English because the United States had been independent for 4 years.
Learn the history of your own country before you embarrass yourselves again.
DustyRusty,
This country was FOUNDED by "armed wing-nuts". Don't forget that; others haven't.
[...] "It is our intent to foment direct action against these individuals personally," the blog stated. "These beastly government officials should be made an example of as a warning to others in government: Obey the Constitution or die." And, the post continued, "If any state attorney, police department or court thinks they're going to get uppity with us about this; I suspect we have enough bullets to put them down too." My question to everyone is the following: Where does free speech end and hate speech begin. The First Amendment is fine and dandy, but when you advocate killing, you have gone over the line. Article is here. [...]
I was trolling on a right-wing tea-bagger website this morning and, in a post about Obama, some individual commenter had posted: 'Maybe the white Muslim will be visiting Dallas soon'.
I got an email notice from the site-monitor: 'Thanks for the heads up, we have removed it'.
So, no need to notify the FBI then?
The editor stripped the offensive portion of the message, yet, it's still quoted in my own post:
American Indian June 3, 2009, 10:27 pm at 10:27 pm
If obama can get away without showing his records, why does ANY one have to show records. Come on everyone and take over America Our forefathers tried to protect their decendents as they have lived through the horrible lies and taking away of person property that the Userper is trying to do with his PALS.
All the people who think he is great will oneday watch their families die, like the Jews and Hitler. MyIndian grandmother always waid “what goes over the Devils back will come under his belly” Look to the past to see the future. (Admin removed rest of comment)
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9 GM June 4, 2009, 5:20 am at 5:20 am
“i don’t believe in violence but maybe the white Muslim will visit Dallas soon”
Whaaa…?
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10 Administrator June 4, 2009, 5:48 am at 5:48 am
Thanks for pointing that out, had we seen it earlier we would have removed it sooner.
Michael Regan
calls for murder of anti-war activist (San Diego, CA) Radio talk show host Michael Reagan is calling for the murder of political activist, Mark Dice
double standards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdJO-kUINMs
So when will Rush, Hannity and Bill-O be arrested...?
Turner, like Limbaugh, Beck, O'Reilly, Weiner, and Coulter, is a blowhard. And because he is a white supremacist, any action - physical or otherwise - taken against him is self-defense since his kind have not only declared war on everyone not like them (race, sexual orientation, religion, political affiliation, etc.), but have also committed countless acts of violence and murder in support of their agenda and have vowed that those acts will continue.
I'm actually surprised that the police did anything given the lack of response/action when white supremacists plotted and were in the process of carrying out an assassination attempt on Obama last year at the DNC.
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7, you are correct: The government has no business telling the Catholic church how to manage its affairs (no pun intended) as long as it does so legally. That is, so long as the Catholic church does not seek to tell the government how to run its affairs.
But it does, doesn't it? In fact, history teaches that if give half a chance, the Catholic church will take over the government entirely and then begin the slaughter of heretics, apostates or anyone else who has the temerity to think for himself or herself about matters of morality, sex, reproductive rights or anything else.
So try not to pretend the Catholic church believes in the separation of church and state, OK? As soon as the church stops its world-wide assault on legal abortion, the availability of birth control information and technology (which assault has also contributed mightily to the spread of AIDS), I will support its independence from government meddling.
Can you cite your sources on those comments Larryo? What you say is nill if unless you can prove what you say. I think you'll find in researching you are wrong and are just repeating. The church has no interest in the government and has always wanted separation. The church is called to teach and that's all it continues to do.
"Then we'll take up arms and take the front lines, leading the People of Israel to their place." Numbers 32 16-19 As you can see, this man's words are out of the Bible. He was not inciting violence, just more left wing garbage.
Hey! Orly Taitz , the bither lawyer, did the very same thing! She called for militias to storm the WH and arrest Barack Obama. She even posted Obama's Social Security # on her blog and called for a volunteer "citizen's grand jury" to sign up and physically remove him from office. She sends these emails everywhere and puts them on her blog! Why isn't SHE arrested?
It think the law should be that it requires proof that someone reacted to his rhetoric by doing what he suggested.
Then both should be arrested, the bullshitor and the bullshitee.
This is a slippery slope when only the speech is prosecuted.
What a violation of free speech!
Next thing you know, we righties won't even be able to
advocate for overthrow of the US Government and mass-secession of Southern States who want to re-establish slavery.
Where have our freedoms gone?
asilive,
Just as soon as this guy is arrested:
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The Only Way To Stop this looney NeoCon behaviour is to Prosecute Them ALL
The Right Wingers will think they can get away with it if we don't.
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Just go to Hal's website to see what a wacko he is.
From his site:
"Let me be the first to say this plainly: These Judges deserve to be killed."
"Tonight at 9:00 PM, "The Hal Turner Show" will talk about the recent killing of an abortionist and what the shooter did wrong. No, not the shooting itself; but rather what he did wrong that got him caught!
We'll talk at length about how to carry out such an act and significantly reduce the chances of getting caught.
Lets face it; America is in big trouble and only force and violence are going to clean it up. Tonight, we'll talk about how to use force and violence and not get caught."
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it."--Abraham Lincoln, 1861.
There is some evidence that Hal Turner is a paid stooge, government or otherwise.
7, found some info on the bill in the comments section at the Crooks and Liars link:
"Here is the bill, http://www.cga.ct.gov/2009/TOB/S/2009SB-01098...
The nature of it, is how non-profit corporations have to be administered when created by the Catholic Church in Connecticut. I am no lawyer, but it looks like lay members will be administering the non-profits. I can see where a bishop or priest might be a bit miffed, but it does not appear to be a bill that effects the organization of the church. It effects the creation of non-profit corporations by the church. This bill was created as a response to several corruption issues."
Now we know how Stalin killed all those people. Look at all the "snitches" on this site. ""I politically disagree with someone, so I am going to call Law Enforcement!!""
Bush didn't even do this shit and he is the Torturer remember?
Thomas Jefferson, no need to defend our Founding Father's to imbeciles who slept during history class. They are probably not even Americans.
Thomas Jefferson,
A private letter is quite something different then a public forum such as a blog or a radio program!!!
Thomas Jefferson,
I contend that Jefferson WOULD have been arrested had he been making those remarks to the public at large.
Guys, Hal Turner was outed as *working* for the federal government.
His email was hacked awhile back which revealed his conversations with his FBI handler. His handler literally tells him how far he needs to push people with his inciting speech.
If he is arrested, it likely means he has been released from his duties.
Allegations that Turner acts as an informant to the FBI surfaced after unidentified hackers claimed on Turner's website's forums that they had read email correspondence between him and an FBI agent, apparently his handler.[34] This led to a discussion on a neo-Nazi website on January 10, 2008, in which Turner revealed he was quitting political work, was ending his radio show and that he was separating "from the 'pro-White' movement".[34] Both the FBI and Turner declined to comment on the matter.[34] The Southern Poverty Law Center later reported that they had "revealed... that Turner was an FBI informant"[35] and the Anti-Defamation League reported that "a neo-Nazi Website had posted material reportedly found by the hackers, including alleged exchanges between himself and law enforcement agents that indicated that Turner had been providing information to them."[36]
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The government is making a big deal out of taking out their own guy. Just like the SLPC has been caught running the hate groups they claim to track. It is a big joke. Your own government is running around pushing the buttons of crazies to see how many will take the bait. And then people celebrate the government and more restrictive speech when the government decides to shut down their own guy?? Its time to wake up people.
And so it begins. First, they'll go after the easy targets, like Turner. No one wants to be associated with, seen defending, or sympathize with a "racist," after all.
Then they'll probably aim for more easy targets, like Muslim radicals and maybe WTO-protesting anarchists.
Eventually, though, they'll be at your door asking you questions about why you made comments on such-and-such blog or attended so-and-so rally or wrote a letter to this-or-that Congressman...
They fear us, people, because we are many and they are few. They can only win so long as we're divided. Keep believing their b.s. left-right, conservative-liberal, Republican-Democrat paradigm. Keep thinking you have a choice in government. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid while they tighten the chains.
That DHS report on right-wing extremism didn't go far enough!
This fear mongering misinformation propaganda from the right all over TV & talk radio is not just political spin or political tactics, its propaganda on the order of the USSR & the Nazis!
But hey, fear mongers & propagandists make for good ratings, so it goes on & on.
How is the average person going to be able to tell what's factual without studying every issue in detail? People don't have the time, energy or interest.
Boy do I miss the Fairness Doctrine.
Once again Republican free market deregulation takes our country down even further.
Very interesting considering he was outed in January as an FBI asset. My guess is you won't hear anything more about this. Unless he's agreed to being a "faux lamb" for propaganda purposes against free speech. His talking points went over the line but perhaps that was the intention. The endgame is pre-crime or thought crime prevention and they would like to propagate this to silence critics. Even here in the comments section.
Be leery of those who call us to violent action...just like the false-flaggers who throw the first rock at the anti-war march, they are usually in cahoots with the enemy.
Sounds like Aaron has a little case of Alex-Jones-itus, lol! "So it begins", haha.
After going back and reading through the comments, it is obvious that a number of people are wise to the problem-reaction-solution tactic. Good for you, we're making progress in exposing the psy-ops constantly foisted on us.
As for you reactionaries, I would suggest further study of problem-reaction-solution. Your comments calling for government to do something about right wing talk radio is EXACTLY what was intended by this psy-ops exercise. You are falling right into their trap and you are taking the rest of us down with you. Start realizing when you are being played like a Stradivarius.
wake up torturers/rapists/murderes and wagers of wars of agression get a complete pass by both republicans and democrats (yes liberal democrats also) and now the boobs are distracted by someone speaking BS.
google "hal turner informant" and youll see he is an shill and agent provacateur thats been outed some time ago for being a govt agent- what the govt doing flase flag operations ! not possible
please some more sophistication from rawstory readers or are you "lookin for them thar nuuklar weapons of mass distraction" as bushie would probably say
Should O'Reilly & Hannity be charged with inciting violence?
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Terrible
as shown by the absences of using all caps in my post (unlike someone else's post, no name need be mentioned) should make clear, I am a very calm person. All I did was say I would like to know more about this bill and that from what I had read so far it did sound unconstitutional. Further reading has shown that this article grossly understated what the bill was really about. That’s it. Nothing more. I made it very clear that violence is not the way to address an issue like this. I understand very well how our government works, as it was common to teach such material to school children starting around the 5th grade.
This is not good news. I hate hate speech laws..way too subjective for me.
Inciting is a pretty simple concept to understand, and the speech has to be pretty blatant for someone to be arrested and convicted.
This is not the beginning of the end, this is business as usual; after 8 years of letting psychos spew and incite, this just "appears" to be new to those who can't pay attention beyond the typical news cycle.
Plenty of people in our history have been arrested and convicted of inciting, it isn't the "begging of the end", it's what a sane society does when they want to punish those who seek to cause trouble for no good reason.
While our government may be well out of reasonable control and accountability, we still have the rule of law and a Democratic process. The masses being too ignorant and apathetic to find out the truth about their candidates, or put forth viable alternatives isn't grounds for select talking heads to advocate killing people.. Quite the contrary, it is a reason for them to EDUCATE and MOTIVATE people to act LAWFULLY and VOTE for their change. ... only when the process (not the actors) breaks down or is discarded are you justified in action other than voting.
The premise of inciting comes from the idea that too many people are simply too stupid to be motivated to do the right thing, so someone in a position of power (typically) encourages unstable people to do the wrong thing to the same end effect. If the populous gets their heads out of their asses, we could have change without need of violence.. but too many people are too stupid and lazy and listen to those that would abuse them instead of those that would help them. Vis a vis, "socialism" means providing for the "society".. how members of a society can think that's a bad thing is beyond me, yet here we are.
7
Without violence you'd still be a subject of the Crown.
31 Kathy
"3Veronica
It's about fucking time these rabid and ridiculous hate mongers in the reich-wing were held responsible for their inflammatory, and volatile rhetoric."
And you're calling others hate mongers? How ridiculous."
Did I stutter, Kath? You tell me exactly how my calling out these fruit loops for their racist, bigotted, and violent rhetoric is called 'hate speech'. Did I say 'death to them all!' 'He's a racist, and he and those like him should be found and shot!' No ... like a typical republican, you read something that simply is not there.
Yes, you are ridiculous.
Where is the FCC in regulating hate speech over the public airwaves ?
One nipple on TV and they are apoplectic but daily diatribes of hate and division and they are silent.
I hope this serves as the beginning of a badly-needed campaign to deal with such who pervert the airwaves as are owned by We, The People (in Trust) to whip up hate under the guise of "patriotism" among especially the weak-minded, the vulnerable and the easily-influenced.
As in such seeing themselves as "Real Americans" in their arrogant hubris.
Chill out guys. What business do state legislators have in legislating the organization of the Catholic church? Some of you morons still don't get it about Hal Turner--offensive speech is free speech. Now go f*ck yourselves.
Incitement to violence is a long-standing exception to the 1st Amendment right to freedom of speech.
You cannot, for example, go to a party and tell a drunk guy to go rape a passed-out drunk girl, and when he does so then hide behind freedom speech.
Interested readers should start with Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), which held that the test for incitement is the "imminent lawless action" test.
That said, under the Brandenburg rule, my prediction is that the incitement exception will not be found, if the only evidence is the stuff we see here in this article.
But that said, it seems ok for the police to arrest and charge a person for incitement crime and kick off the legal process to determine whether a crime occurred and whether the exception applies.
Has it ever occurred to all you pundits and blog blow hards who spend your days trashing each other online with moronic insults that you are wasting valuable resources (like oxygen, water, energy, etc.) that the human race needs?
So here is my suggestion: Take your ridiculous dogmas, your hatreds, and lack of critical thinking and move to some bastion of intolerance like the Middle East or Just end your miserable little bully lives and leave the rest of us alone.
Make it your one positive act for our country in your sad existences.
Simon said, "Once again Republican free market deregulation takes our country down even further." LOLz!
Free market deregulation? The Bush administration massively increased the size and scope of the federal government that would make Marx blush. A free-market has no government regulatory agencies, and thus, no regulations.
Since the Bush administration didn't abolish any regulatory agencies, there was no de-regulation. It just means that these agencies weren't regulating in a way that you approve of. Guess what? That's what happens when you give a government too much power. The little guy gets pissed on and the big corporatists make out like bandits while getting a reach around from their cronies in DC in exchange for lining their campaign coffers.
Your comment about the DHS report just shows what an utter ignorant statist you are.
There is so much of this kind of hate speech going around hiding under the umbrella of free-speech. I think it is no longer free-speech when it incites people to do unlawful things to others. That's why I never watch Hannity, or any of those commentators on Fux Channel. To listen to that hate is unbearable.
Thomas Jefferson
I respectfully ask you to re-read my post. I said “violence is not the way to address an issue like this.” The key words here are “an issue like this.” This issue in no way resembles the reasons Americans rebelled against England. Threatening to kill public officials who were put in office in a free, open and honest election, in order to intimidate them in performing their job as the Constitution directs them to is not the way to go about things. There are measures already in place for those that wish to effect change. If you want to live in a country where violence and murder are acceptable ways of getting publicly elected officials to do the job fringe elements of society want them to do, I suggest you look into residing in a country other than the U.S.
Thomas Jefferson
Just in case what I wrote above is not totally clear, let me put it this way:
Threatening to kill and using violence to intimidate public officials who were put in office in a free, open and honest election, and are doing their job as the laws direct them to do is not the way to go about things.
If your legislator is considering a law that you don’t agree with, you have many ways of making your dissatisfaction known. Still frustrated? Then you can take a stand come election day and vote the bums out. This system has worked very well for us for over two hundred years.
[...] official over legislation... regarding the church," independent news outlet Raw Story's John Byrne (6/4/09) deepens the story by recalling that "Turner used to be a regular on Sean Hannity's radio show (the [...]
Sorry I feed a troll. Won't happen again.
This is a kind of slimy hit piece. While Hal Turner is not exactly my cup of tea and has been caught either lying or relaying a fantasy (left up to the listener to decide) from time to time, I am disturbed by the lack of concern over free speech suppression by the government clearly on display here. And even more so for the majority comments in support for the suppression. It is the unpopular whom must be supported in their Right to voice their thoughts or there will be nobody there to support yours when the time comes.
http://turnerradionetwork.blogspot.com/2009/06/hal-turner-has-been-arrested.html
So, he went from outspoken, active white supremacist to FBI informant...
Poster "Juan Liberale" noted that "I did not see a direct threat and my first thought was to wonder if my own blog might contains anything an over zealous cop could use to justify arresting me."
"Juan Liberale" is obviously struggling with English language comprehension if he doesn't understand the clarity of the threat as it is stated in the report:
"It is our intent to foment direct action against these individuals personally,
These beastly government officials should be made an example of as a warning to others in government: Obey the Constitution or die. If any state attorney, police department or court thinks they're going to get uppity with us about this; I suspect we have enough bullets to put them down too."
I ask "Juan Liberale" if such a threat had been made against himself or perhaps his family, would he be so quick as to dismiss it as a vacant verbiage.
Mr. Nation,
Or may I call you Fascist?
So there are no limits on free speech? I don't think the framers viewed it that way at al,l but everyone is entitled to their opinion, right?
When people use their bully-pulpits to foment hate instead of unity it is counterproductive to moving forward as a nation, to be generous. I think nearly evryone wants the nation and, by extension, the world, to move on forward. Perhaps with a couple of exceptions like Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, O'Reilly and a few other skanks (not to mention a few remaining dead-ender Confederate States) but, they are clearly unpatriotic narcissists.
But when a radio host or other with a public platform is using hate speech and clearly inciting violence (on the publicly-owned airwaves, by the way), even suggesting killing, I think the Feds are acting well within the framework of the Constitution to take it seriously and act on it legally if appropriate. I am going to bet most genuine Constitutional law experts like Turley, Horton and Greenwald would be in agreement, though Glenn Greenwald is said to be a free speech absolutist himself so I am not dead certain.
There, now we have both our views aired.
Nighty night, Fasc.
Someone wants the FBI to do its job? If only it knew how to do it. F-ucking B-ungling I-diots.
Jeesh, if Mannity won't even acknowledge him, what a bag of douche he must be.
Bill O'lielly is next to be arrested!!
The Secret Service under Bush has a long history of arresting high school kids who did antiBush projects and art works. I don't understand how people can advocate that kind of behavior on the part of law enforcement and then object when someone who encourages the unbalanced elements on the right wing to kill someone gets arrested. I wish the law enforcement agencies would also get more serious about arresting the gun nuts who are directly planning to kill someone themselves.
It is possible, of course, that a lot of right wing nuts HAVE been arrested for planning terroristic acts, but we didn't hear about it because the MSM and the Cheney/Bush administration didn't want to make the right wing look bad. There have been a few such cases that got into the local media (why does Texas seem to have so many of these guys?), but never got national exposure.
Thom. Jefferson:
What you are missing here is that Jefferson was talking about armed insurrection, not about the assassination of individuals you do not agree with. These are not even close to being the same thing, and I doubt Jefferson would have condoned such behaviour.
Now they need to get some of the others and charge them accordingly.. Rush needs to be charged with treason against his country, and O'Reilly needs to be charged for attempting to incite a riot!
Coulter, Hannity, and a host of other rabid right wingers need to be brought down a notch, they've gotten carried away with their Anti-American rhetoric since Nov 3rd 2008.
After all, Bush and Cheney had enough people arrested for speaking their minds.. The rabid right didn't see anything wrong with that. Now there needs to be a few more arrests made to bring this bunch down to size!
Right wingers make crappy jazz musicians.
The time just isn't there.
Bill O'Reilly is getting worried, as well he should be!!!
Should O'Reilly & Hannity be charged with inciting violence?
Yes
59%
No
41%
Conservative radio host, popular onetime Hannity guest, charged with inciting violence
Added 5 hours ago on June 4th, 2009
Reactionary radio host and white supremacist Hal Turner was taken into custody Wednesday after remarks urging Catholics to "take up arms" against two Connecticut lawmakers and a state ethics official over legislation being considered in the state legislature regarding the church.Connecticut Capitol police got a warrant for Turner's arrest. The Hartford Courant fills in the details:Turner, who has been identified as a white supremacist and anti-Semite by several anti-racism groups, hosts an Internet radio program with an associated blog. On Tuesday, the blog included a post that promised to release the home addresses of state Rep. Michael Lawlor, state Sen. Andrew McDonald and Thomas Jones of the State Ethics Office."Mr. Turner's comments are above and beyond the threshold of free speech," Capitol Police Chief Michael J. Fallon said in an e-mail announcing the warrant. "He is inciting others through his website to commit acts of violence and has created fear and alarm. He should be held accountable for his conduct."The remarks on the blog were a reaction to the recent controversy over a bill that would have changed the way the Roman Catholic Church is governed, taking power away from church officials and turning it over to lay members. It was pulled in mid-March following an outcry from Catholics across the state and questions about its constitutionality.
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=5435
It's bad enough to swear in a moment of passion. To actually sit and write foul language shows how miniscule and incoherent the minds of some of these posters are. Mostly liberal. Hey, people, how about leaving aside hate-mongering a la Hal Turner and leave a well thought out reasoned post. I'm sure someone -- surprise surprise -- will predictably follow mine with the lowest common denominator response, because unfortunately, that's what little minds do.
marinessuck
'Someone wants the FBI to do its job?'
C'mon, what do you mean? Look how fabulously they trashed the anthrax investigation. That was the work of pros. Who was that guy they suicided?
Right, Dr.Bruce Ivins. Second choice.
Ironic because it's now been believed that Hal Turner himself is an FBI informant. Which is why he always incites violence and racism. Part of the Fed's COINTELPRO programs.
This guys' a hack working for the spooks and it serves him right.
The only reason he's being targeted is because of his exposes on Israel. The aipac lobby is relentless when any dissent of Israel. Otherwise, he'd still be on the air.
I miss the days of blaming everything on George W Bush. Where DID they go?
Remember Bush saying "we will hunt down and kill the terrorists" and all his war talk rhetoric? Kill all terrorists, got it.
Remember the "Obama is a terrorist." Where did that originate?
Just sayin'
Could one prove a link between the two? Would that pass the free speech test?
Hal has always pushed things to beyond the limit ! This was bound to happen sooner or later. "FREE SPEECH," is sacred, but even I, am somewhat opposed to the levels & extremes he's said & stated ! Even if I "agree with him or not," I would never openly & publicly state or say in print, or any media, the things he has ! He's in deep "doo-doo," over this. I'll bet he simply "commits suicide while in custody, or vanishes off into one of the governments secret military prison ships !" He might even end up in Cuba at Guantanamo. Even though he's a supposed "plant & operative of several federal agencies," he's pissed off enough people, they simply want to & will make an "example of him," no matter what. The question is, will he simply vanish off the face of the earth for good, or will they make a public open spectacle of him with a show trial & punishment. Maybe make him the first "enemy of the state / white al-Queda ?" And punish him for "supposed treason ?" Either way, he will not be the last. This is just the beginning of the "states purge of free speech," they don't like or agree with. But yes, Hal has been & continues to be "off the hook," with his printed & verbal web comments. I wonder why it took them this long ? We'll have to wait to see what happens next !
And when will they be coming for "the rest of US ?" For "thought crimes," & the like ? The Department of Pre-Crime Services ! It's way past 1984 ! Welcome to the UFSA ! ( Untied Fascist States of Amerika ! ) How do you "sheeple & slaves feel ?
What rights ? What Constitution ? What laws ? You do what we say, when we say, how we say ! Or we arrest you, put you in jail, or kill you ! Of course we'll make it look like an accident or suicicde ! We don't need the publicity or lawsuits ! Thank you, "THE NEW WORLD ORDER !"
Look folks, this is no different than any hate speech that happens in any protest...and protesters get arrested.
Too bad Obama's former Pastor hasn't been put down yet as well...
The Louman says: "Too bad Obama's former Pastor hasn't been put down yet as well..."
I don't ever recall the Reverand Wright calling for the deaths of elected officials, law enforcement, or any individual who disagreed with him. I don't ever recall him broadcasting that those who don't follow his ideology should die, nor do I ever recall hearing him say that those who stand up against him and his ideology would be met with bullets.
BIG difference there, sport. But nice try at attempting to distract from the topic at hand. Well, no, it wasn't a nice try, but a very weak one. Oh well, sucks for you.
Hate speech or threatening like this is abhorrent and I presume he will now get his day in court. But in all honesty, dialogue between anyone nowadays is sinking to such lows it is nothing but mere insults back and forth. And I keep thinking back to I think it was Barney Frank, during the debacle over the AIG bonuses. We were not told at the beginning that Dodd and Geithner had a hand in putting in language that made these bonuses perfectly acceptable, yet when the pubic became outraged with the help of some of the legislators, wasn't it Frank who demanded the names of those receiving bonuses so he could publish them? Weren't the workers at AIG forced into getting private security firms to patrol their homes and one had to move his wife and children out to safer surroundings. Didn't a bus load of people circulate to the homes protesting outside them? Wasn't it Obama himself who used the term, that he was the only one standing between them and the pitchforks? So just what kind of a slippery slope are we on and just when does one decide that the denigration and verbal abuse to others doesn't have to be the be all and end all of conversational skills?
So here we are... religion and law... causing between them a load of shit, that wastes our time and money with NEITHER of the two capable of solving much.
Law causes as many problems as it solves (and it doesn't really solve most problems it's there to prevent!)
And religion is even more unnecessary... truly useful for nothing.
Wasn't it revealed awhile back Hal Turner is an FBI plant?
Welcome to Bolshevist Amerika where media people are arrested for provoking the government. And to all you simple minded fools that cheer. Too bad they dont have a Colosseum where they throw Christians to the lions you would of liked that.
this man does not respect us caths, makes my skin crawl thinking of this worm representing any one.
larryo
Re: Catholic Church
Uh, amen, sir.
Well said.
"And religion is even more unnecessary... truly useful for nothing."
I only wish it were that innocuous. Unfortunately, zealous 'faith' is at or directly adjacent to the root of many of our common problems today
I do not believe in inciting violence but for CT or any state lawmakers to threaten to take over the affairs of any church is unconsititutional, end of story
They shelfed this bill in the spring and they are making a very bad mistake if they are bringing it back up again.
Enough is enough............no more shredding of the Consitution. No more trampling on freedom of speech and religion in this country.
Hal Turner is not a racist or an anti semite, this is propaganda. They don't like what he is saying so they are shutting him down.
I am sorry, but am I the only one who is thoroughly confused at what Sean Hannity has to do with ANY of the story relating to this man's ridiculous comments or suggestions? Was he on Hannity's show when he made these statements? If he was I apologize and stand corrected, but to me this story just looks like someone who is mad at (doesn't like) Sean Hannity and is reaching way far down to try to make him look bad and in the process ruined his own credibility . JMHO/
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Already in hate crime legislation we have prosecution of people not for the acts that they can be proven to have done, but for what they are alleged to have been thinking at the time. Usually an alleged bad thought or politically improper attitude is imputed to them because of things they have said, thus they earn extra punishment for a crime over someone who did the crime without saying anything.
Thus we get into thought police and language police. I actually have heard many lefties say they would like to shoot Rush Limbaugh. Are those statements innocuous because no one has actually done it yet? If someone shoots Michael Savage, do threats against Limbaugh then become illegal and a basis for arrest? Why should what somebody else does to some other victim become a reason to arrest a particular American citizen? Who decides the close calls?
And what exactly is a threat to do violence, anyhow? I have heard many angry people use fighting words and taunting words and demeaning words. If a person threatens to "tar and feather" someone else is that an arrestable offence? (Often people were tarred and feathered after they were hanged, so that their bodies would serve as reminders to the public when left suspended in some prominent place.)
How about, "I'll kick your behind to the moon!" That would probably be fatal.
Reichwing fascists feel like they can say or do anything and then hide behind our Constitution. I doubt our founding fathers would have expected fascists to act without civility and use low intelligence of some people to stimulate murder and mayhem. The Bush crime family used fear and force to stop all dissent against their fascist rule. Just look at the republiKKKon convention and the arrest of anyone that questioned the storm trooper action by the police.
Cal Turner represents the reichwing of the republiKKKon party. No wonder they are now being labeled the "cracker" party. As a former regular on Sean Vanity's radio show, he deserves to be arrested and Vanity and O'Lielly should be joining him.
THIS IS LIBERAL FASCISM AT ITS BEST AND LIVING PROOF OF WHY WE HAVE A SECOND AMENDMENT.
Nice how the heirs of fascism are now calling for the arrest of dissidents because someone had the gaul to kill one of the heirs of Hitlers final solution. I bet if enough people report on their neighbors we can "progress" to your socialist utopian society. A wonderful world where murderers get to live and the unborn get killed. Excuse me if I don't shed a tear for the killer of 60,000 unborn that had their brains sucked out so mommy could keep her legs open for the next stud.
Trust me, when the shit hits the fan, the military will not be on the libtard side but it will be nice seeing you traitorous bastards swinging from telephone posts. The police officers themselves will have to decide if they will side with the mongrel hordes that hate them or the military which trained them. You do the math.
betterdeadthanred:
Well, aren't you quite the knuckle-dragging Neanderthal. Bet you're big hit with the ladies, caveman. Although, I suspect you hate women, and are intimidated by them - especially those infinitely smarter than you. Sounds like a personal problem for you, sparky.
Your post is loaded with bullshit, caveman. I suggest using the goggles on the internet tubes. Educate yourself before spouting off such nonsense.
Have you always been a fucking douche bag, or is this something new for you?
Veronica, I like women just fine. Just because you pretend to be one on the internet doesn't make you an expert on them. Of course one might think that I dislike women because I said "libtard" since liberalism has a way of feminizing men. Real women love real men except in the freak show you call your life (try shaving your armpits and bathing, maybe that will help).
Oh, caveman - didn't your knuckle-dragging mama ever teach you NEVER to ASS-U-me?
LOL - Right back at ya, knuckle-dragger!
Oh, and you're still an ignorant fuck - LMAO!
Eugenics, Margaret Sanger, Hitler, Planned Parenthood, final solution. I guess I am not so enlightened as to think the purposefull destruction of human offspring for lifestyle enjoyment is a wonderfull thing but it does seem to be something a true "knuckle dragger" would approve of. Maybe you can get your tribalizing primative friends to restart exsposing babies again to halt "over population". Libtards do a lot of projecting which is why they call everyone they disagree with "Hitler" but in fact they have more in common with him than anyone.
No self respecting conservative organization would use the words "Socialist" or "Workers" in their name. Mussolini described fascism as," keeping up the pretense of private property while regulating it to the point of total state control".
If only you libtards cared as much for the treatment of unborn babies as you do for murderous terrorist ( or in Vermanica's case, your armpit hair length) I might see a reason for your continued existence.
ZootMantis
'Right wingers make crappy jazz musicians.
The time just isn't there.'
Nor the soul. You can't be soulless and play jazz well.
betterdeadthanred
Off your meds, are you?
Seek treatment before you deteriorate any more, if that is even possible.
Jazz musicians make crappy musicians.
Veronica
"betterdeadthanred:
Well, aren't you quite the knuckle-dragging Neanderthal. Bet you're big hit with the ladies, caveman. Although, I suspect you hate women, and are intimidated by them - especially those infinitely smarter than you. Sounds like a personal problem for you, sparky."
Can you say 'latent homosexual'?
betterdeadthanred
"Veronica, I like women just fine."
Whoa. Defensive. I believe you, betterdeadthanred.
Can I call you better dead for short?
betterdeadthanred
'Jazz musicians make crappy musicians.'
Confirmed stupid. Exceptionally, singularly stupid.
And gay. So gay.
betterdeadthanred
"Maybe you can get your tribalizing primative friends to restart exsposing babies again to halt "over population"
Focusing on the Southern States? Certainly.
And it's 'primitive'. Three 'i's.
I would expect you could spell the name of your own sect.
betterdeadthanred
"Libtards do a lot of projecting which is why they call everyone they disagree with "Hitler" but in fact they have more in common with him than anyone."
Wow. Really? Cause we are Torturing Teabaggers and racists and authoritarian submissives or what? Do tell. And try to suppress that lisp, secret gay man.
Government Motors(GM?) Don't dispute the Nationalizing Socialist connections do you? I would have to be taking crazy pills to agree with your world view. Maybe you should get of the meds.
Jazz is gay.
You are gay GM. You are the teabagging aids infected god hating gay loving ass-jockey. You sound like that dude named Rachel on PMSNBC that looks like Ruth Buzzy. Only old gay white guys listen to Jazz now days (and maybe a few old black men that still think its cool). Now put the cock back in your mouth and STFU Nancy boy.
Come on, we know GM is short for Gay Man.
GayMan is now a spell checker. Well you know what? Spell check says Obama is Osama. What did they know and when did they know it. Now lay down and bite your pillow Sissy.
And by the way, GayMan, I go home to my wife, you go home to be one.
You only like Jazz because it sounds like Jizz, you know that stuff on your chin.
GM - Can you say 'latent homosexual'?
I sure can! Knuckle-dragger's a latent homosexual ... that's why he's here getting defensive, trying to prove his 'manhood' ... he's a big, tough guy, all puffed up with fake bravado. LMAO!
Knuckle-dragger really needs to be honest with himself and let's his inner homosexual out!
Hey, knuckle-dragger ... armpit hair length? Awww ... you've hurt my feelings ... I'm wounded ... whoa is me ... sniff, sniff ... why, I don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight ... uh, no. I consider the source from whence such weakness comes and I'll sleep just fine!
Gee, with mental giants like you, it's so hard to imagine why the repuglicunt party is going the way of the dinosaur ...
You and your kind are poster children for why abortion should remain legal - ROTFLMAO!!!!
A Gay Man who likes Jazz and a man who becomes a woman on the internet calling people "latent homosexual" can you say "Blatant homosexuals"?
I'm sure that in the freak show world where the absurdity of a man marrying another man seems normal you probably think everyone is gay. Maybe it was the molestation by your father or the fact that girls just don't like you, I don't know. All I know is it's not my fault that you think a man's ass is a perfectly good place to park your penis(or vice versa) .
Although you may think you are clever I sense more libtard projecting because you both jumped to the gay thing pretty quick. Yet you never dispute the FACT that National Socialism is an offspring of the left.
If Conservatives are such anti-semites why do they support Israel( with money and policy), a jewish nation,? Look how Stinky (B.O.) treats Israel compared to how Dubya (W) did? Nothing you believe in makes any sense with your altered reality.
Why are FoxNews ratings so much better and rising while the Government/Media complex's ratings are tanking yet you believe the Republicans are dead? Do you think we are going to all roll over and play dead? Do you even know who it is that man's your military? Answer: Southern White's. Do really want to marginalize them? If you make it a matter of survival you WILL lose. Some people are willing to die for Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, others will kill for it.
God is an abortionist.
Knuckle-dragger:
Your post is evidence of exactly what is wrong with the repuglicunt party. Your psycho-babble is representative of the 21% of those pathetic enough to still call themselves republicunts.
The rabid and ridiculous extremists of the GOP are the only thing that's left of your party, a whopping 21%. True conservatives like Colin Powell, Christopher Buckley are being told by uneducated, brain dead blowhards like that fat bastard drug addicted pedophile that they are not true conservatives, that they're not extreme enough (I just think it's because the Colin Powell's out there are just too goddamned smart for you punk-ass bitches). Bohunks like you are the only thing keeping your party barely above water ... all that will be left of the GOP are corn dog chompin', Pabst Blue Ribbon-swillin', tebaccy-chawin', cowardly, wife-beatin', pathetic white trash like you. You betcha - Congrats!
Hold your nose, boy, you're sinking ... fast ... now, I'm bored with you.
Oh, one more thing - eat shit and die, cracker - LOL
betterdeadthanred
Jazz is gay.
You're the expert. i trust you, betterheadthanred
betterdeadthanred
'You only like Jazz because it sounds like Jizz, you know that stuff on your chin.'
Tell me all about it, betterhead
betterdeadthanred
'And by the way, GayMan, I go home to my wife...',
How is Larry?
betterhead
'Although you may think you are clever I sense more libtard projecting because you both jumped to the gay thing pretty quick. '
Didn't mean to jump to conclusions. you reminded me of someone. Oh, right....Larry Craig.
***I AM NOT GAY, I HAVE NEVER BEEN GAY, I LOVE MY WIFE***
Larry didn't say it as loud as you, though. just sayin'
betterhead
'cracker'? wow, and he claims 'libtards' project. Now you are starting to amuse me.
'If Conservatives are such anti-semites why do they support Israel( with money and policy), a jewish nation,?'
Who said that? Guilty con-science?
BTW, who supports Israel is every breathing US taxpayer.
Except you and the doctor-killer, since you teabaggers are the proud anti-tax crusaders and anti-government conspiracy theorists.
Don't cry now, you remind me of your fave, Glenn Beck.
I love taunting you latent-homo, pseudo-macho, armchair warrior right-wing douchebags, so insecure about your uncertain sexuality that you are the easiest of easy pickings. It's like hunting rodents.
I can smell the anger when I push your buttons, numb-nuts.
Veronica
Done got my posts mixed up. 'cracker' was directed at herr krueger the authoritarian-submissive from veronica to teabagger with love.
Sorry, I can get a little giddy pistol-whipping trolls...
betterheadthanfred
I see jizz has a capital J in your world. Evidently it is a significant staple in your diet. Is it really fattening or is that just a myth?
Cause you don't look so slender in that grease-stained wife-beater.
I know, I know....I LOVE MY WIFE, I HAVE NEVER BEEN GAY....'
Not so loud, betterheadthanfred
GM
No problem ... that bohunk is one of those angry, white trash folks, better known as 'crackers.' Bet the bastard had a blast at one of the 'teabagger' parties.
Such an angry white man ... LMAO
[...] regarding the church,” independent news outlet Raw Story’s John Byrne (6/4/09) deepens the story by recalling that “Turner used to be a regular on Sean Hannity’s [...]
Bottom line is:
Hal's site never said " I WANT YOU TO DO " OR " I AM GOING TO DO THIS"
These (2) Lawlor and McDonald are OPEN GAYS. They arrested Timothy Kane and now Hal Turner. How many, many years have United States Citizens been speaking up about different issues. Strongle speeking.
Now, all of a sudden, Gays are in a powerful position and it will, and mark my words, become a Gay Rights thing.
They are misusing their power of office to fulfill their own agenda. Gay Rights.
If Timothy Kane and Hal Turner can get arested for their views, you can also.
This is a Freedom of Speech issue, nothing else.
As far as the second amendment, well, it is the 2nd amendment. and since when does a person get arrested for quoting the 2nd amendment?
How many more of the rights of the people of the united states are going to be violated under the guise of the law.
give me a break, you may not agree with Hals views, and that is your right, but if these lawmakers are going to get away with this, you won't even have the right to agree or disagree.
On June 3, 2009 Turner, writing on his blog from his home in New Jersey, referred to certain actions by Connecticut officials as "tyrannical" and opined that Connecticut citizens should "take up arms to put down this tyranny."
Even though no one actually did that, Connecticut issued a "Fugitive from Justice" Warrant for Turner's arrest anyway! Turner was arrested in his home town in New Jersey and held -- without bail, as a "fugitive" - for almost a full week until a New Jersey Judge realized Turner had never actually fled justice and was not a fugitive at all. The Judge ordered that Turner be released on bail.
Turner says Connecticut doesn't have a legal leg to stand on and cites U.S. Supreme Court case law to back-up his confident assertion.
Read about those cases at the First Amendment Center web site at the link below and pay particular attention to the case "Hess v. Indiana" which fits the Turner case in Connecticut almost perfectly.
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/analysis.aspx?id=21677
There is MAJOR danger that affects YOU with this case: The Connecticut courts may choose to ignore federal case law and proceed with a trial anyway. The Jury may choose to convict. Turner could then be jailed pending appeals. The first Appeal would have to go to the Connecticut State Court of Appeals and that would mean Turner would sit in prison for months until that court ruled. The Appeals Court might choose to ignore the federal case law too and uphold the conviction. The next appeal would then be to the Connecticut State Supreme Court and would mean Turner would remain jailed for many more months waiting for that court to rule. The State Supreme Court may choose to ignore federal case law too, which would then finally allow the case to go to the Federal Courts where the law is on Turner's side. But as all of this is happening, Turner will find himself jailed literally for YEARS, waiting to win under the clearly established federal case law.
Imagine the impact on your life if this happened to you. Being jailed without bail, being forced to spend tens of thousands of legal fees, facing years in jail. . . . . . all for something you wrote on the internet!
The case of "Connecticut v. Turner" puts EVERY user of the internet at severe risk. Turner is not a citizen of Connecticut and he was not in Connecticut when he published his opinions on his blog. Yet Connecticut is forcibly applying its laws upon Turner!
If Connecticut can apply its law to a citizen of New Jersey and jail that citizen over words published outside the jurisdiction of Connecticut, then ANY state can apply its laws to ANY blogger, web site owner, MySpace, FaceBook, Twitter or even YouTube user!
How would this affect you? Simple: People you never met, in places you've never been, can take offense to something you write on the Internet and have you jailed in THEIR state for it! Do you see the risk now? Do you understand how important this case is going to be?
It is absolutely essential for anyone who publishes anything on the net, to support Hal Turner in this Landmark legal battle. The freedom of speech for ALL net users is literally at stake.
That's why Hal Turner needs our help. Since his arrest on June 3, Turner has had to pay over ten thousand five hundred dollars for two separate Bail Bonds - one in New Jersey ($2500 paid for bond of $25,000) and another in Connecticut ($2500 for another bond of $25,000) plus another $3500 for a lawyer in New Jersey and another $2000 for a lawyer in Connecticut! These legal fees cover only pre-trial legal work and DO NOT cover going to Trial. The expenses of going to trial will be triple or quadruple the initial amounts and, if Connecticut Courts ignore case law (which they can do) the appeals process will cost tens of thousands more.
If Connecticut is able to grind Turner into financial oblivion to get him to plead-out, then the precedent for applying their laws to bloggers OUTSIDE of their state would be set -- and ALL of our freedom of speech will be in immediate jeopardy.
That's why it is so important to help with a contribution right now. This case will be as important to freedom as the Miranda case which gave us the "Miranda Warning" 40 years ago.
We cannot afford to sit this one out and see what happens. Get involved. Copy and re-post this article on forums and blogs everywhere. If you can't get involved personally, send a few bucks. It is literally YOUR OWN freedom of speech that you'll be protecting. Please mail whatever you can in cash, check or money order to:
Hal Turner
1906 Paterson Plank Road
North Bergen, NJ 07047-1900
USA
Kathy: Those evil gays and their evil gay rights agenda ... Lay off the crack, nitwit.
kathy
Sure, right-wingers go all 'rule-of-law' and constitutionally when their own agenda is threatened. Otherwise, not so much.