Reporter Richard Engel (Photo credit: NBC)
Former soldier Ralph Peters has carved out quite a niche for himself in the world of publishing. His work regularly lands on the pages of The New York Post and has cropped up in USA Today. He's even a special contributor to Fox News.
But after today's showing, in his latest column for the Journal of International Security Affairs, Mr. Peters seemingly treads very close to finding himself at odds with his journalistic colleagues.
After all, reporters don't really like it when the editorial page calls for consideration of grinding them into bloody chunks as a matter of war policy.
In his latest essay, in a segment titled "The killers without guns," Peters suggests that the media is responsible for "saving" Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon, but that media had "failed to defeat" the U.S. government's charge toward Iraq.
"Rejecting the god of their fathers, the neo-pagans who dominate the media serve as lackeys at the terrorists’ bloody altar," he gallingly charges.
It culminates:
Pretending to be impartial, the self-segregating personalities drawn to media careers overwhelmingly take a side, and that side is rarely ours. Although it seems unthinkable now, future wars may require censorship, news blackouts and, ultimately, military attacks on the partisan media. Perceiving themselves as superior beings, journalists have positioned themselves as protected-species combatants. But freedom of the press stops when its abuse kills our soldiers and strengthens our enemies. Such a view arouses disdain today, but a media establishment that has forgotten any sense of sober patriotism may find that it has become tomorrow's conventional wisdom.
Because, of course, in Peters' mind America can do no wrong:
The point of all this is simple: Win. In warfare, nothing else matters. If you cannot win clean, win dirty. But win. Our victories are ultimately in humanity’s interests, while our failures nourish monsters.
Jason Linkins over at Huffington Post evicerates this stunning outpouring of hatred.
I must say, considering the line-up of Neoconservative half-stars that is the Journal of International Security Affairs editorial board, this tripe is not surprising.
This reporter, in a rare editorial capacity, can only personally hope the emergence of such breathtaking savagery disguised as intelligent discourse will serve as an example to other rational thinkers as to how dangerous hyper-militarism and hawkish Neoconservatism really is.
-- Stephen C. Webster
"If you cannot win clean, win dirty"
The NeoCon mantra.
"Hey, torture isn't bad! It's letting people know that we torture that's bad!"
And we're "worried" about swine flu? This is the REAL "swine" flu.
@ duh: Egg-zackly.
"whew! Yeah bitch! I mean, c'mon people. When will everyone understand just how important it is to me that my balls are HUGE?! I mean, the thing resting on them is sooo small but my balls are just vast. Talking tough is the same as being tough and also is the same as being right! Get it?! I have a hunger for death and only the blood of my own will now suffice."
I frankly believe that the neo-cons should be prosecuted for leading this country into war with their false stories both in print and on the tube. By lying to the American people the neocons have given aid and comfort to the enemy! Don't you think that if one of these pundits continues to link Iraq to 9/11 or if one continues to insist that weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq they should be held responsible for these lies.
Once the killing starts, there will be no monopoly one who is giving and who is receiving.
I can no longer sit back and allow journalist infiltration, journalist indoctrination, journalist subversion and the international journalist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!!
This fucking clown looks like a cross between Rick Moranis in "Ghostbusters II "and Mike Dukakis in an oversized tank and helmet. Real man there, with the cockeyed helmet and the khakis full of dook.
One hopes the next article this clown posts will be his own obituary.
And this guy's only some nobody with no power. What would Dick Cheney do to win...again?
http://9112010.com
Upon hearing this, tens of thousands more quietly leave the Republican Kook party.
Just one more Sociopath AIPAC Neocon.
Watch them "dance" around 911 & Federal Reserve whistleblowers!
So this guy WANTS 1984?
And the neocons and conservatives who back them bitch about abortion. Fucking pukes.
LOL...guys like Ralph Peters get funnier and funnier as their world crumbles around them. I spent a lot of time checking out the NYPost editorial page over the last six or seven years--because it really was one of the funniest things in town--and this dumbass has been wrong about EVERYTHING. "Here's your room, Mr. Peters...journalists?...that you can kill?...why, yes, there are PLENTY of journalists in there for you to kill...go check over in that corner...that's it, go on, it's okay...we'll just lock this door so none of the "journalists" escape...."
Ralph Peters has also been calling for the partition of Iraq, which probably was the Neocon plan all along: Disband the Iraqi army and de-Baathify down to the lower ranks, causing resentment and eventual civil war between the Sunni and Shia, with the ethnic cleansing and defacto Partitioning of Iraq into smaller, weaker states as the ultimate goal.
Watch the following videos on the carving up of Iraq:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4MdyJDnSoI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_iTR9dI6o
Washington Post Q & A with PBS Frontline director Michael Kirk
Q: In making your film, what were you able to learn about who originated the "deep deBaathification" and the "disband the Iraqi army" decisions? Did you learn what motivated these disastrous decisions?
KIRK: The idea of deBaathification seems to have grown out of the offices of Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith at the Pentagon.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2006/10/16/DI2006101600400.html
Video: Watch Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif) say the following at AIPAC:
"The Persian population in Iran is not a majority, it is a plurality. There are many different, diverse and disagreeing populations inside Iran. And an obvious strategy, which I believe is a very good strategy, is to work to separate those populations." [divide & conquer]
(1:20 minutes in)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpRq528Ow3I
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There is a distinction to be observed between journalism and the fulsome screed of hack commentators like Engel. For another glimpse into the false consciousness of fascist rationalization watch the current Danish documentary, "Burma VJ." The brave journalists involved are engaged and dedicated to exposing the corrupt Myanmar regime currently threatening Aung San Suu Kyi. These people really are facing death to get the truth out. And the dictatorial Burmese government has already taken Engel's advice. Most of the reporters and monks shown in the documentary are probably dead already. For hacks like Engel, the death threats he endorses would work, but there are brave reporters, as this documentary demonstrates, who will risk lives and fortune to tell the truth despite threats designed to cower the weak.
Ok, he wants to kill journalists? Start with this douchewaffle...
wow. A right wing pundit calls for censorship and assassination of the media.
Is there any depth to which they will not stoop? Will they advocate concentration camps next?
wow... i have a hard time imagining how someone can truly and honestly believe something so evil and wrong. i find this eerily similar to nazi propaganda. wars must be fought, wars must be won at all costs, kill anyone who gets in the way... wtf...
this is one person who really ought to sample his own medicine first before administering it.
This fascist piece of shit really needs some serious mind altering education. May I suggest waterboarding for starters?
What an asshole!
So does this explain the murder of Daniel Pearl, who was investigating the US network of Al-Qaeda support which reached deeply into US military & Intelligence agencies?
This man is afraid of the truth getting out to the world. This man is a coward. The truth can only be blocked to the unaffected few. The revolution sparked as a result of cowardice like this, will occur, though it may not be televised.
Toborgo and other idiots don't seem to be able to distinguish between the photo of Richard Engel and the author of the "kill journalists" screed. Ralph Peters is the neocon jackass talking about killing journos. Richard Engel is not connected to this in any way other than the editorial decision to use a photo of him at the top of the article. If your reading comprehension skills prevent you from grasping this, you shouldn't be wasting time commenting. You should be back in school.
another idiot on TV
Message to journalists: your job is to promote and support our military objective by reporting the reality we want the public to think. If you don't accept this and perform the role we have decided for you, then we may kill you.
Freedom and democracy is what we decide it is.
- I hope for the American values my ancestors fought for, and the future of the Republic that journalists do not obey.
"Peters suggests that the media is responsible for "saving" Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon"
Hamas? You mean the legitimately elected Palestinian Government/
Hezbollah? Oh, you must mean the education & training organization that distributes healthcare and teaches farmers and others.. As well as acting as a militia to protect the citizens of Lebanon?
Now.. Who exactly a fucking terrorist, again Peter?
Where are they? I don't see any..
This worm peters is a candidate for a preemptive strike, take him out . he is another shill for do no wrong isreali, members of thew USS Liberty take him out
Ralph Peters is not a journalist and has no idea of the ideals of journalism. It's NOT to cheerlead for the government (i.e., the military) but to report THE TRUTH. If that truth does not put the military or government in a good light, it's up to the citizens of a democracy to change it. This they did in the 2008 Presidential election, thank God, with none of the questions that surrounded the 2000 and 2004 elections. Journalists are supposed to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. If that means afflicting the military-industrial complex (which even Ike warned about many years ago) with the truth, so be it. The fact that Peters is advocating the murder of journalists means he favors murdering the truth so essential to a democracy. Why does Ralph Peters hate democracy?
We must sound like children to the illuminated.
We don't have the intel, so we can't make informed and intelligent statements.
There's the Way We Think Things Are, and The Way Things Are, and they're two very different things.
The Cheney ogres snicker at our simple rants, we ignorant children sheltered from Reality; they're winning.
It is difficult to even consider that he meant this seriously, but the disturbing fact is that he was. What is wrong with people like this? I mean other then the fact that they lost the election. Killing reporters? Say, when do we get to execute anyone that lied to us about why we needed to invade a country? Or are those actions not considered dangerous by this mega-douche.
I would be more than pleased to put my camera down for a moment and pump his neocon ass full of lead. His life expectancy would be measured in minutes in a combat zone.
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United States Marine Corps
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Sad waste of semen and a perfectly good egg.
I wonder if he'd still feef the same way if he grew a spine and reported the news with integrity. He wrongly assumes that the people responsible for the war care about him and his mission of obsequious support - in reality he is as unimportant as everyone else who stands in their way. If he wont do it, then some other empty suit will step up to the plate in the hopes of getting some crumbs from the table. What a tool.
Please, Please, Please stop reiterating and linking and responding to what these idiots say and do. They don't deserve the press; you should not push it. I dont want to read it.
Who cares what some whackjobs says on any given day?
I don't. Neither should you.
We have greater issues to tend to, don't you think?
Why on earth would you use the metaphor "eviscerated" in an article of this nature?
It looks more and more as though at the heart of the right-wing philosphy lies the urge to kill, to eliminate. We have heard that before and know that it leads to camps and to extermination.
We have looked in to the lifeless eyes of the criminals charged with the execution
and elimination of their supposed enemies and seen the the self serving vacuity of their projects. The terrible thing is that these barbaric onslaughts in the media can only be effective if they find an echo in the hearts and minds of the re
A problem : the last of the sentence is readers, listeners, viewers.
Sorry
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When Mr. Peters says, "The point of all this is simple: Win. In warfare, nothing else matters. If you cannot win clean, win dirty. But win. Our victories are ultimately in humanity’s interests, while our failures nourish monsters," he conveniently forgets the obvious...
Q U E S T I O N:
Who wins at war but those who survive?
But at what cost...
... The TRUTH?
.
Another neocon hypocrit........
He is delusional, thinking he is impartial.
Neocon extremists should never be given a soapbox.
I think Neocons are the ones who need killing...Increasingly, they seem beyond redemption and unwilling to stop at anything to advance their depraved, fetid worldview.
Ah yes Reader,
more musings from a half bird coward who never saw combat and stayed in the rear with gear. Oh, and lets not forget this cockroach’s scurrying around Killian documents. There’s nothing like the bravery of being out of range eh Peters? Hey asshole, take two shut-the-fuck-up’s and call me in the morning.
I think the military, as well as journalists who desire to protect themselves in combat situations, should be able to use Mr. Peters for live target practice. Hopefully someone would be aiming for his big, fat mouth.
"If you can not win clean - win dirty."
This means that Peters supports Al Qaeda's 9/11 attacks - for what is a terror attack but the ultimate in dirty fighting?
Like that would be new? Many have been disappeared when there was a need to catapult the propaganda.
The holy news dispatcher must be allowed to pontificate dogma unfettered if god's will is to be masticated properly.
Tell him to join the IDF and he CAN kill all the journalists he wants. Remember when the CON artists were considering bombing Al Jazeera?
I regard people like Mr. Peters and his ilk as direct threats to a Free Constitutional Republic! This idiot Mr. Peters seems to enjoy his journalistic freedom but somehow thinks actually being a guard against govt wrong doing by reporting it is bad! Just shows how insincere of a supposed journalist he is! Oh! Wait! I forgot! Mr Peters is not a journalist to begin with but nothing more that a PROPAGANDIST for a certain segment of society who have a inbred hatred for certain religions and or ethnic groups!
I liken Mr Peters to John Adams the Federalist who hated the very idea of anyone questioning any act of the DC govt! Free thinkers and those who thirst for the truth of a thing, event or policy are more liken to Thomas Jefferson! Which brings me to the conclusion that Mr. Peters is nothing more than a lackey for certain distainable elements of our American society.
If any here want to understand why and how the US has gotten to where we are in the so-called war on terror by lap dogs like Mr. Peters and his buddies, Dick Chenny, Don Rumsfield, paul wolfowitz, Daniel Pearl, William Kristol. These armchair warriors made up their on think tank to find ways to implement their vision of domination of the world by the US. (See PNAC: )
http://www.newamericancentury.org/index.html
These people had already decided to start wars in the middle east back in the 1990's but had to wait till a favorable executive was elected in DC to be able to carry it out. Remember the fact that Dick Chenny was a primary member of this neo-conservative think tank at the time, before he ran as George W. Bush's vice presidential runny mate. The point i am making my mentioning the PNAC policy group is that the neo-conservative warped mindset on starting middle eastern wars was planned many years before they attained the white house and now will do anything within their small minds to defend their warped war criminal history!
I say this again to make it clear as the sun in the sky! People like Mr Peters and his ilk are a threat to a Free Constitutional Republic!!!@@@
I used to like Ralph Peters' books a couple decades ago...
...but I will no longer even consider reading his books. Apparently he doesn't know why Freedom of Speech is contained in the FIRST Amendment.
And he calls himself a patriot.
Fortunately, most military commanders would strongly disagree with Peters - for if there are no reporters on the battlefield, then all we have are the 'victory reports' and war becomes glorified as it was in the days before WWI.
We need to find a nice little island where people of Peters' ilk can live and destroy each other instead of trying to destroy us. Hmmm....maybe Gitmo!
This is American philosophy at its most explicit.
Winning justifies everything. Just don't kid yourselves that it has anything to to with God, Freedom or morality.
Man Oh Man, those Neocons sure hate being irrelevant don't they! But after reading the insanity spewed forth by Mr. Peters I felt compelled to respond to him thusly:
One flew east
One flew west
One flew over
The cuckoo's nest
This right-wing extremist has people out there listening to him and agreeing with what he is advocating!
There is truly something deeply warped and wrong. These psycopaths have unlimited access to the media - look at Cheney and his Barbie daughter Liz. They are glued to the TV screens spewing their bile.
In typical right wing Republican style...they are all for winning as long as somebody else does the fighting. These cowards would never want to soil their skirts, but send other people into harm's way without a thougt.
I anxiously await news of this mans demise.
dude,
what is it about republicans
that makes them all seem
like assholes?
maybe it's that they're all
greedy, selfish, bastards,
bent on dominating mankind
for corporate greed and profit.
bush exposed the entirely rotten soul of the republican party.
they are all lying assholes and must be entirely wiped off the landscape
of american politics. they have ruined america and stripped it of its glory.
and now as obama tries to salvage the entire honor of the country, they
(the republicans) want to play politics and let the country entirely fail for
political gain - remember, this was the party of "Country First" - oh my god -
they are all lying fucking assholes, and should never be let near the helm
of america again.
"D2US
So does this explain the murder of Daniel Pearl, who was investigating the US network of Al-Qaeda support which reached deeply into US military & Intelligence agencies?"
That is an incredible accusation. Can you substantiate it at all? "Al Qaeda support within U.S. military and intelligence agencies?" Please provide your source.
I wonder if even this absurd Neocon idea will awaken our national Medial to the fact that their reporters would safer if they the Media would just print the truth always.
The Media has spent the last eight years hiding the truth about the Bush criminals. Their editorial writers were afraid to call out Bush, Cheney and their lawyers for violations of laws and our Constitution.
Officials and government agencies are afraid of the truth. The truth is the only power Media has. Being a pawn of government doesn't make you safer from the government.
Printing the truth about torture and murder by government agencies would help get the doers punished. That punishment and enforcement of Federal Laws is the
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will serve as an example to other rational thinkers...
And who might they be?
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We should start with killing him?
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While we may not agree with his message - the choices of vocabulary are a bit 'strong' - are we losing the message?
Not too long ago, it became apparent that the folks in the New York area crushed a story that might have damaged the Obama campaign. I might suggest that would be:
a. partisan reporting
b. censorship
Now, if our esteemed colleagues can do these things, why cannot someone criticize how our media works? Are we now afraid of the media - maybe they might publish something terrible about me?
Anyone living in the US today has to at least acknowledge that our reporting in the 'middle east' does not always profess both sides of the story. For the ingredients to work, one side must be vilified and the other glorified. Now that sells papers and news shows and is easy to digest. white hats, black hats. We seem to wear a lot of black hats. .. .
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I think you missed the point of the article.
WHAT? Back the truck up....
It was Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etal that started the embedded reporter program for the war with great fanfare. They thought it would be a slam dunk with our superior military and expected to be greeted as liberators. They wanted lots and lots of great press. Too bad the chicken hawks didn't know sh_t about the history of war, especially in the middle-east. Too bad they were the only ones that didn't learn the lessons of fighting insurgents from Vietnam, but then again while the rest of us and our families were busy fighting in Vietnam Bush was getting preferential treatment in the Texas National Guard, Cheney got 5 deferments because he "had better things to do". Rumsfeld however investigated the massive theft and waste of aid to Vietnam which I can only assume he took to whole new levels with his efforts to outsource huge portions of the war effort and BILLIONS now missing.
It's not the reporters fault that they are reporting the news. Furthermore, I'll bet he can't site a single example of a reporter causing the military problems other than reporting on specific criminal activities of only certain members of the military.
Don't you think that it's a good idea to know what's being done in our name by our leaders and our military?
I fear the day that somone invents a time machine.
example: Liberal Hippy writers from the raw story and huffington post go back in time armed with "facts" abou the "lies taking us to war in Iraq".
Liberal A and Liberal B go back to september 10th, 2001. They shout from every corner of NYC and Washington D.C. street corners. "George Bush will then lie to you about why we must go to War in 2003!" says Liberal A. "Close Gitmo before we perform Torture and the Arab world hates us!" shouts Liberal B! Over and over they will chant this. No attempt will be made to change what happens on Septembers 11th, 2001. Rember, its "America's chickens coming home to roost!". Liberal A and Liberal B will lament that in 2003, they again witness America going to war in Iraq.
Rinse and repeat.
So you guys don't understand where he's coming from?
If a reporter says to the world "here's the GPS coordinates of the allied troops who are planning a surprise attack in 30 minutes"... then you guys don't understand how that reporter is aiding the enemy and has thus committed treason?
You don't understand his point?
Really?
WOW.... Please do us all a favor and don't vote, because you're morons.
No war, actually No event big or small ever requires censorship.
And when memory failed and written records were falsified—when that happened, the claim of the Party to have improved the conditions of human life had got to be accepted, because there did not exist, and never again could exist, any standard against which it could be tested.
- George Orwell, 1984
Parsons was Winston's fellow employee at the Ministry of Truth. He was a fattish but active man of paralyzing stupidity, a mass of imbecile enthusiasms—one of those completely unquestioning, devoted drudges on whom, more even than on the thought police, the stability of the Party depended.
- George Orwell, 1984
If the Party could thrust its hand into the past and say this or that even, it never happened—that, surely, was more terrifying than mere torture and death.
- George Orwell, 1984
And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'
- George Orwell, 1984
[...] May 27, 2009 · No Comments Stephen Webster / Raw Story | May 27, 2009 [...]
Why are Republicans so obsessed with killing people who oppose them?
[...] Source:http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/05/right-wing-military-writer-we-may-have-to-kill-war-journalists/ [...]
[...] May. 28th, 2009 at 7:04 AM Former soldier Ralph Peters has carved out quite a niche for himself in the world of publishing. His work regularly lands on the pages of The New York Post and has cropped up in USA Today. He's even a special contributor to Fox. But now that he's called for attacks on war reporters, Peters may find himself without much of media profile to speak of.Source:http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/05/right-wing-military-writer-we-may-have-to-kill-war-journalists/ [...]
[...] attacks on war reporters, Peters may find himself without much of media profile to speak of.Source:http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/05/right-wing-military-writer-we-may-have-to-kill-war-journalists/ Publicado por Aaron en [...]
"...Why are Republicans so obsessed with killing people who oppose them?..."
I dunno...why are liberal so obsessed with appeasing people who want to kill them?
"...but then again while the rest of us ...."
You were NOT in Viet Nam....so stop pretending to speak for those of us who were.
Talk about being a chicken hawk....fucking hypocrite....
"We should start with killing him?"
Norm, please....you couldn't operate the weapon of any kind, including your fists...spare us all your hollow threats....
"...The Media has spent the last eight years hiding the truth about the Bush criminals. Their editorial writers were afraid to call out Bush, Cheney and their lawyers for violations of laws and our Constitution.
.."
Interesting...are you also posting all over the web about how the media is hiding the truth about Obama criminals uplholding many of Bush's constitutionally questioned policies. Are you also up in arms about Obama "shredding the constitution". Thought so...
Intellectual honesty...look into it...
"..maybe it's that they're all
greedy, selfish, bastards,
bent on dominating mankind
for corporate greed and profit....
Maybe its the fact that conservitives give much more and in much higher percentages to charities...both money wise and time wise than liberals...maybe that's why you think they are assholes? Just wondering....
"..In typical right wing Republican style...they are all for winning as long as somebody else does the fighting. These cowards would never want to soil their skirts, but send other people into harm's way without a thougt..."
Yawn....spoken like a true non combat vet. Here's a tip, jackass...the VAST, VAST majority of service people,especially those in combat roles are self identified republicans/conservatives. That is a FACT. so much for your crack assessment, asshat....
"......but I will no longer even consider reading his books. Apparently he doesn't know why Freedom of Speech is contained in the FIRST Amendment....."
You miss the point...giving away secrets to the enemy or aiding them in any way is NOT protected speech. Get a fucking clue....
"..I think the military, as well as journalists who desire to protect themselves in combat situations, should be able to use Mr. Peters for live target practice. Hopefully someone would be aiming for his big, fat mouth..."
Haha...typical...
let me summarize your point...
"Hey, that asshole wants to kill people who aid our enemies who are journalists...I'll misinterperet what he says to mean that he wants to kill all journalists critical of the US war and therefore call for the killing of him. How dare he call for violence against people he doesn't agree with..I will *kill* him for it.!"
haha..sounds crazy when *I* say it......
jackass....
"...I think Neocons are the ones who need killing...Increasingly, they seem beyond redemption and unwilling to stop at anything to advance their depraved, fetid worldview...."
Nothing would please me more than a civil war between liberals and conservatives. I don't know if you are familiar with who makes up the bulk of combat forces, combat trained forces, combat veterans, hunters, firearms enthusiasts,etc....but here's a tip....ssshhhhhh....they're not liberals....
"..I frankly believe that the neo-cons should be prosecuted for leading this country into war with their false stories both in print and on the tube. By lying to the American people the neocons have given aid and comfort to the enemy! Don't you think that if one of these pundits continues to link Iraq to 9/11 or if one continues to insist that weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq they should be held responsible for these lies...."
Hmmmm...considering the list below, your definition of 'no' as in 'none' intrigues me. Now, you can argue all day that it's not *enough* if you really want to be a simpleton and assume we found everything there possibly was to find..but to say NONE..when that list below was in fact found and are listed under the WMD prohibited items by UN inspectors...then to say "none" means you either are a moron..or you are ignorant of the facts....I guess a third possibility is that you are lying piece of shit...
"...50 deployed Al-Samoud 2 missiles
Various equipment, including vehicles, engines and warheads, related to the AS2 missiles
2 large propellant casting chambers
14 155 mm shells filled with mustard gas, the mustard gas totaling approximately 49 litres and still at high purity
Approximately 500 ml of thiodiglycol
Some 122 mm chemical warheads
Some chemical equipment
224.6 kg of expired growth media ..."
[...] http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/05/right-wing-military-writer-we-may-have-to-kill-war-journalists/ Pretending to be impartial, the self-segregating personalities drawn to media careers overwhelmingly take a side, and that side is rarely ours. Although it seems unthinkable now, future wars may require censorship, news blackouts and, ultimately, military attacks on the partisan media. Perceiving themselves as superior beings, journalists have positioned themselves as protected-species combatants. But freedom of the press stops when its abuse kills our soldiers and strengthens our enemies. Such a view arouses disdain today, but a media establishment that has forgotten any sense of sober patriotism may find that it has become tomorrow’s conventional wisdom. [...]
Mr. Dobbs:
It's worth mentioning that Ron Paul got more campaign contributions from active military than any other candidate from any party, according to FEC records.
Conservative they may be, but not necessarily sold out to the corporate oligopoly.
[...] Source:http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/05/right-wing-military-writer-we-may-have-to-kill-war-journalists/ [...]
Actually, somebody should inform this A$$HOLE that quite a few of them WERE killed during the course of the Iraq debacle. The last count I saw (~12/8/08) was about 148.
Actually, come to think of it, the Crackpot Cabal of NeoConMen certainly SHOULD "have a soapbox" --- so that what such folks are thinking can actually get out into the "light of day" where it can be examined and much of it explicitly REFUTED. What is REALLY important is NOT the rhetoric of the "lead" article --- but rather the attitudes and philosophy of the RESPONDENTS that needs to be addressed. I am moved, in particular, to register my reactions to the series of posts by Bob Dobbs above (whom I take to be representative of a fairly substantial faction among "We the People"). In response to the "line of thinking" on which he touches, it is appropriate to assert some (generally fairly obvious) counterarguments.
The reasons "liberals are so obsessed with appeasing people who want to kill them" is that they do not LIKE having been ENDANGERED by the "initiatives" undertaken by "NeoCons" in "promoting" a world view that GOADS people halfway 'round the world into murderous (even suicidal) vengeance! SOME of us, at least, think OUTSIDE "the box" --- and have come to realize the UNDERLYING motivation of the whole obscenity that "we" have actually "cultivated"!
We CONNECT THE DOTS --- and come to recognize the fundamental FAILURE of "our" past MISguided (or maybe more like MISBEGOTTEN!) MIS"leadership" (both “political” and also “corporate”!) to fulfill their ACTUAL obligations to the membership of this society (and others) --- which WOULD have been to OPTIMIZE BOTH THE CHARACTER AND THE QUALITY OF "OUR" PRODUCTS, rather than to merely MAXIMIZE ”THEIR” MONEY!
Actually, a VERY LARGE PART of the blame REALLY even rests on the heads of all those ORDINARY folks who long SPONSORED and BANKROLLED the likes of a Saddam Hussein --- by buying so much of what he "had to sell", and then brainlessly burned it up as a mere fuel to power “our” automobiles! --- and who (or whose kids and grandkids) have subsequently been lured off into fighting a dirty little "OIL war" over in Iraq, making "us" lots of enemies both there and the world over, and in some cases even coming back dead or permanently damaged themselves, or who may have LOST LOVED ONES or friends therein!! Surely that is an UGLY, HATEFUL reality to which to have to face up. But would it somehow be any "better" for people to now just meekly try to erect a "psychological defensive barrier of DENIAL"??! Would not THAT actually merely COMPOUND the REAL fraud that has been foisted off on all the REALLY aggrieved victims??!
With respect to those who have "bought into the bullbleep" and still CLING to MILITARISM as the supposed "answer" to the whole problem (Dobbs, for instance, at least REPRESENTS himself to have "combat experience", suggested to have been in Vietnam, and I see no reason not to take him at his word), it can all become a way of life. Somehow many such folks never quite come to recognize that "THEIR" war was NOT the wonderful "cause" to which they gave a measure of devotion --- and many of them ACTUALLY, GENUINELY BELIEVE that there could have been no more intelligent alternative to what they have embraced. These people need to be guided back in out of the cold.
Vietnam, it should be noted (by EVERYBODY!) is now finally (forty long hard years later) now largely HEALED and relatively PROSPEROUS. And the people there DID THAT FOR THEMSELVES, without (and indeed rather IN SPITE OF) any "help from "US". (And no, there was NOT any cascade of "dominoes" that came "tumbling down" in the aftermath!)
So too, hopefully, the three different ethnic groups who comprise the artifically-cobbled-together (initially by Winston Churchill) nation of "Iraq" will ALSO recover, in time (whether they remain "bound together" or --- as I for one think perhaps more likely --- go their separate ways; in any case it really doesn't matter).
The only question is whether THIS nation will actually continue to prosper, in the aftermath of having now SQUANDERED so much of its resources (particularly its OWN Providential Endowment of PETROLEUM. Fully 70% of that endowment --- and specifically the "cheap, easy" stuff --- as is now KNOWN (originally by Hubbert-inspired statistical methods now fleshed out by satellite mapping and sonic-imaging mapping of underground structures) TO BE ALL USED UP.
This country now needs to get busy developing the TECHNOLOGICAL ALTERNATIVES to its abject, addictive dependency on OTHER PEOPLES' OIL --- instead of trying to "engineer" wars by which to "control" (and ultimately expropriate) reserves elsewhere. Those alternatives HAVE been devised, investigated, and many even "piloted" going back the last 30-35 years now alteady. It is now time to get SERIOUS about IMPLEMENTING them.
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