Former Vice President Dick Cheney continued his excuses-for-torture tour today with an interview on a radio station in Fargo.
Perhaps needless to say, he's not exactly praising the new administration.
“There are two documents in particular that I personally have read and know about that are still classified in that National Archives," Cheney said. "But I’ve asked that they be de-classified; I made that request over a month ago on March 31st. What those documents show is the success, especially of the interrogation program in terms of what it produced by way of intelligence that let us track down members of Al-Qaeda and disrupt their plans and plots to strike the United States. It’s all there in black and white…It demonstrates conclusively the worth of those programs. As I say, I’ve asked the administration to de-classify them and so far they have not.”
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He warned that [an investigation] would have future consequences.
“Anybody who sees that kind of thing happen is going to pull their head in, and they’ll be reluctant to take responsibility for anything," he said, adding, "I hear this talk that there is going to be some kind of foreign prosecution of our guys, I just think that’s abhorrent, and I think they ought to do everything they can to fight that.”
Of course, Cheney's position that torture "works" has been completely discredited.
The New York Times reported that military trainers at Guantanamo in December 2002 based an entire interrogation class on a chart created from a 1957 Air Force study on Communist Chinese methods.
The harsh questioning techniques were used by the Chinese to obtain confessions from American prisoners, including many false ones, the daily reported.
The chart, made public at a June 17, 2008 US Senate hearing, detailed the effects of "coercive management techniques" such as "sleep deprivation," "prolonged constraint," and "exposure."
"These were techniques to get false confessions," US Senator Carl Levin was quoted as saying in the Times.
"People say we need intelligence, and we do. But we don't need false intelligence," he said.
-- Stephen C. Webster
With AFP.
preach on, Brother War Criminal. preach on.
Of course you think so, Dick, because you're GUILTY of crimes against humanity, you won't face those consequences lightly at all.
Every guilty defendant in the world finds an investigation "abohorrent". The only thing they find more abhorrent is hearing the judge or jury say, "Guilty!"
i found my last parking ticket abhorrent.
but then again, i had not tortured 98 people to death.
sucks being you, dick.
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime, you sadistic psychopath.
Abhorrent is to Cheney as stink is to ...
“Anybody who sees that kind of thing happen is going to pull their head in, and they’ll be reluctant to take responsibility for anything," he said"
Oh, the irony ...
You're abhorrent, Dick. What's your point?
Veronica: good call.
Never thought I'd ever see the day when the people of this country would DEBATE whether we should or shouldn't torture prisoners, let alone that they would use as the determining factor WHETHER OR NOT IT WORKED.
Question on a future high school history quiz:
"I hear this talk that there is going to be some kind of foreign prosecution of our guys, I just think that’s abhorrent, and I think they ought to do everything they can to fight that.”
Who said this? Was it:
A. Emperor Hirohito
B. Joseph Mengele or
C. Richard Cheney
Correct answer: Probably all three.
P&E!
prosecute and execute
I cannot believe that there is a debate going on about torture. The law is clear - no torture! We put people on trial after World War II for doing the very same thing these people are defending. Also, who will answer for the 98 people who have died while in our prisons? Will anyone be held accountable? Why can't we do the right thing instead of fearing the political backlash? What is wrong is wrong and people have to be made to answer for their crimes, including those at the highest level!
What a first-rate asshole.
Sibel Edmonds, Coleen Rowley, Ellen Mariani - all former CIA who had the evidence for 9.11, Abu Ghraib, the threat to Richard Foster to lie to congress to get the Medicare bill passed, knew of Cheney's "stand down orders to NORAD on 9.11, and so forth. All fired, threatened by cheneybush. All now very much alive, as are Generals Karpinski, Sanchez, et al. and willing to testify.
Chickens coming home to roost, eh, Mr. Cheney? Chickens,...appropriate,..given that the cheneybush chickenhawks knew nothing of patriotism with their utter avoidance of and disdain for the military and our Constitution which they used as toilet paper. {See Rory Mayberry's article in Reuters re: how bush refused to feed the troops, uparmor the humvees in Faluzha}.
Military commissions act to null and void Posse comitatus, and habeas, while forcing gonzales to write law to CYA? Rattling your cage now yes, cheney?
When Mr. Garzon of Spain, CCRJustice in the US, the ABA, are through with you,... the best you will hope for is life in prison.
RB
Mill Valley, Ca.
Size him up for an orange jumpsuit and a snazzy black hood(ie)!
Cheney will do time, this time!!
Hey Dick looks like your brother is waiting to share a cell with you asshole
http://media.photobucket.com/image/picture%25252Bcharlie%20Manson/mudbilly/manson2.jpg
Torture is saying to a human being you are not a human being ... your life is worthless .. you are worthless. We can do anything to you because you are not even a person .... it's soul murder. Even though a person may survive it there is nothing on earth more destructive or devastating to the human soul. It effects everyone who comes in contact with it from the people who order it , carry it out, and that witness it either while it is happening or later when it is learned about. How can it be that in this world Dick Cheney can speak about it as though he is advocating something worthy and righteous? How is this possible? And why above all else is there not a deafening cry across the world for his incarceration for crimes against humanity? What has happened to the world that we can stand by and allow monsters like Dick Cheney to continue to have a voice in any forum? What has happened to us?
DICK CHENEY IS A CRIMINAL ... HE IS A TRAITOR ... AND HE IS A MASS MURDERER.
These words have lost their meaning. The fabric of our society has been torn apart and the symbols and meanings have all been reduced to sound bites and opinions. There is no right or wrong. Only power.
DICK CHENEY IS A CRIMINAL ... HE IS A TRAITOR ... AND HE IS A MURDERER.
Why has he not been apprehended and awaiting trial for crimes against humanity? Why? We will never have sanity again until these criminals are brought before the world and tried for high crimes - international crimes - crimes of treason - crimes of torture - crimes of mass murder.
DICK CHENEY IS A CRIMINAL ... HE IS A TRAITOR ... AND HE IS A MASS MURDERER.
Why does the news media keep giving this scum a pulpit for his views and opinions? He's no longer relevant, so he should be ignored. The only thing he could possibly say that we should find interesting is 'Guilty, your honor.'
Time to pay the piper, dear Dick! If you go to Gitmo, can I PLEASE be your DJ?
Too bad....
Do the right thing Dick and "eat a peach."
ABHORRENT ?
Are you, the "Champion of Rendition", the "Champion of prosecuting foreign-based individuals under auspices of U.S. Law" complaining that you will be held to the same standard by a foreign court for you obvious transgressions against Humanity ?
What goes around, comes around, Dick !
Universal Law finally applies - karma is truly a bitch sometimes, isn't it ?
One can only hope that the International Court will have more 'backbone' than the U.S. Justice System's 'Flunkies-in-your-pocket', and that they will televise both the proceedings and the 'final outcome' so we can watch you 'fry' in your own juices.
OBITUARY
Richard Bruce Cheney, 78 (1941-2019)
DECEMBER 25, 2019 >>> Former U.S. Vice President Richard Bruce Cheney was found dead this morning in his prison cell at the International Criminal Prison in Schweinfurt, Germany. He was 78.
Cheney was convicted of crimes against humanity by the International Criminal Court in The Hague in 2012 and had served over seven years of a life sentence at the Schweinfurt facility.
The cause of death was listed as asphyxiation due to prolonged exposure to a toxic cloud of concentrated intestinal gases that had seeped into Cheney's prison cell from the pig farm next door.
Cheney is world-class scum. I hope he gets everything he deserves.
To quote Patrick Swayze as Johnny in Dirty Dancing after his dressdown by Dr. Houseman, "Yeah well, I guess that's what you WOULD think."
Cheney is the abhorrant personified.
[...] via The Raw Story » Cheney: Spanish torture probe ‘abhorrent’. [...]
Cheney and his thugs tortured helpless prisoners because arachnoids and serpents do what it is in their nature to do.
America's true shame is the failure of the Obama Administration to enforce binding federal and international law due to political cowardice and moral indifference.
That Spain has to serve as America's conscience does not bode well for the future of the United States.
In this instance, I agree with Cheney. The Holder Justice Department SHOULD "do everything they can to fight...foreign prosecution of our guys."
Of course, as Scott Horton @ http://www.harpers.org/subjects/NoComment has made clear, the foreign prosecutions WILL halt when the U.S. undertakes its responsibilities to investigate and, as necessary, prosecute violations of our treaties and statutes in this regard. That is what we should be pressing to have the administration do, and what they are, both by statute and by treaty, obliged to do.
Cheney is "abhorrent".
He was NEVER on TV for 8 years of office. The only reason he is on all the time now, is for defense of his actiona, like Ollie North did. Then he can say, "I was on TV all the time talking about it! See? I had nothing to hide!"
I am reminded of a line from Shakespeare - "Evil will always find a way to justify itself."
Spain is obligated under it's own laws to investigate and prosecute war crimes if they are not being investigated in the home country of the accused perpetrator. How is that abhorrent? They are following their laws, obeying the law.
If the Bush Administration had followed US law, we wouldn't be having this discussion. If the US Justice department investigates and Spain is satisfied with the investigation, they will, by law, drop their case.
This is a man who is so evil. He went behind closed doors to give the oil companies the highest windfall profits they could imagine at the taxpayers' expense, helped the missle hit the Pentagon on 911 to get an excuse to start a war and steal the treasury, committed mass murder with his war, committed torture against innocent human beings just for the fear factor, and now he is looking for redemption. Wow. With all that activity the care his government health plan has been able to keep him alive after major heart surgeries, this is truly a testiment for single payer health care.
Now let's see how long he can last in jail where he belongs.
[...] Cheney: Spanish torture probe ‘abhorrent’ By Stephen Webster Former Vice President Dick Cheney continued his excuses-for-torture tour today with an interview on a radio station in Fargo. [...]
I hope we find out REAL soon how long Dick Cheney can resist waterboarding.
Hey, it's NOT torture!
And we won't even talk about the Japanese troops that America EXECUTED after WWII for waterboarding American POWs ... whoops, I guess, Messrs Woo, Bybee, and Stanbury should not have deleted those footnotes from their torture memos! In law school, they taught us NEVER to leave out a relevant footnote! And they're such a PAIN, but you put include those footnote caveats, even if your client doesn't like them!.
You're supposed to be advising the client, not pandering to the client's criminal fantasies.
These Bushies legal eagles -- Woo, Bybee, Stanbury -- are poster boys for unethical lawyers who are themselves WAR CRIMINALS.
I wonder where these chuckleheads attended law school! Those law schools should be ashamed of these faithless traitors to the our profession!
They need to be disbarred (Fredo too!), and Cheney and Bush need to go to prison.
Thank you CHENEY, RICE, GONZOLEZ for keeping your hated faces in the news! You're drilling holes in the rusting ship, USS G.O.P., even as it sinks. And I always thought the rats were supposed to abandon, not stay and help it take on water!
If only Rummy would pop up to make it all perfect!
", "I hear this talk that there is going to be some kind of foreign prosecution of our guys..."
(Ah... our guys, meaning ME, of course. ) Someone heard Cheney say, under his breath.
Isn't it sad that Erik Holder agrees with him? So much so that he approved the original EXTRAORDINARY RENDITION back in the 90's.
Isn't it sad the OBAMA agrees with CHENEY so much so that he won't even disbar the lawyers who papered over the law breaking?
Everyone is upset by this except Rahm and Obama who are laughing at you. Someone said the truth hurts.
What is truly abhorrent is that this conversation regarding whether or not to prosecute those guilty of authorizing torture is even taking place. There are laws that have been broken. Those responsible should have their day in court and be treated accordingly. To allow those who perpetuated this mindset to sit back and disparage the charges leveled against them as if they are above it all is actually a crime in and of itself. I can only hope that Spain will follow through and perhaps influence our own country to grow a pair.
Too bad for Cheneya that the country that nailed
Pinoche is coming for him.
Governments and politicians that claim the power to torture enemies will eventually torture their own people.
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Ralph
John Yoo - Harvard(history), Yale(Law)
Jay Bybee - Brigham Young University , Reuben Clark Law School
I agree, these schools should be ashamed.
The truth is sometimes abhorrent.
What is truly abhorrent is that OUR people won't do their jobs and prosecute this despicable piece of shit and his cronies. It's a complete shame that OUR people don't that the courage of the Spanish to enforce the very laws they proclaim to value. A nation of laws? Horse shit.
This asshole and W went after the head of a sovereign state for far less than what THEY did, and he was hung to death. I see no reason why they deserve less for their crimes.
For republicans to worship Reagan like they do and to ignore and spit all over the very anti torture treaty that HE signed is a sure sign of their hypocrisy. To think that they would value ANYTHING but money is a fool's game. Law means nothing to them. Human life means nothing to them. Family means nothing to them. Profit is the ONLY thing they give a rat's ass about. As far as I am concerned, they are completely dead inside. They are devoid of humanity, and need to be shown that law DOES matter, human life DOES matter, and that they will be held accountable for torture and murder just like anyone else would be.
Unfortunately, it won't be OUR gov't that does anything about it. If it takes Spain to do the job, then at least SOMEONE will do so.
And Cheney, if it takes some other country to keep someone like YOU from being such a scum bag murderer, then so be it. Maybe NO ONE should be "taking responsibility" for torturing people, murdering them, and breaking international and moral laws. You, sir, can rot in hell.
I agree with Wendell
"as Scott Horton @ http://www.harpers.org/subjects/NoComment has made clear, the foreign prosecutions WILL halt when the U.S. undertakes its responsibilities to investigate and, as necessary, prosecute violations of our treaties and statutes in this regard. That is what we should be pressing to have the administration do, and what they are, both by statute and by treaty, obliged to do."
The best way to get President Obama to let AG Holder appoint a
Special Prosecutor for the Bush Torture Lawyers
is to Put a lot of Pressure on Both Of Them
Sign the Petition Calling for a Special Prosecutor
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I find Dick Cheney abhorrent....! Hope they pull the plug on this arrogant piece of sh*t...disconnect his mechanical heart..wait..maybe if they water-boarded the old F*CK....his mechanical heart would "short out"....I'd pay to watch..!
Congress needs to enact a law whereby upon conviction of murder, torture and crimes against humanity the convicted (Cheney, Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld, Feith, Powell, Franks, Bremer....et. etc.) and their estates are immediately stripped of all wealth (families, trust funds included) and the funds deposited in an account for disbursement to the victims of these criminal madmen and women (Pelosi, Feinstein, Laura "Laser Eyes" Bush....etc., etc.) KBR, Haliburton Blackwater (Ain't going to help changing the name Prince) shut down and all assets sold off and deposited in said fund. Should be a few trillion there, you know, the taxpayer money that "disappeared?" Then, as a reward to ourselves for making it happen, pick several of the coliseums around the country to host a "Feed The Blackwater Mercenaries To The Lions" reality show. No shit, feed these bastards live on camera to the fucking lions for our entertainment and as a warning to the other bastards that we will never allow them to operate again. Film the lions chowing down and send thousands of DVD's to Iraq and Afghanistan victims for their viewing pleasure. Perhaps then the US could regain some of the honor we lost, but I am not holding my breath.
Robert S. Finnegan
Jakarta, Indonesia
seanews1@yahoo.com
"...they’ll be reluctant to take responsibility for anything..."
-says the guy who threw his Chief of Staff Libby under the bus, then whined to his boss about a lack of pardon for what he himself did.
Now that's (tiny)balls.
Holder better indict this diabolical prick soon. He started this confessing tour and let a zero tolerance crime turn into a "debatable" issue. Just as planned. You cannot cut the crime family a break. Do it Eric. Time's a wastin'.
Covered is right.
"Holder...
let a zero tolerance crime turn into a "debatable" issue. "
Torture is a US-Federal Capital Crime made US Law by Congress.
IT IS NOT DEBATEABLE!
The best way to get President Obama to let AG Holder appoint a
Special Prosecutor for the Bush Torture Lawyers
is to Put a lot of Pressure on Both Of Them
Sign the Petition Calling for a Special Prosecutor
http://ANGRYVOTER.ORG
250,00 signed so far