Fox News allows John Yoo to make excuses for torture

By Stephen C. Webster
Tuesday, March 2nd, 2010 -- 7:46 pm
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johnyoo4 Fox News allows John Yoo to make excuses for tortureWhen you're a former Bush administration official whose public personage has been tainted by legal memos authorizing torture, but an internal investigation recently cleared you of everything but "poor judgment" -- where do you go to tell your side of the story to the public?

Fox News, of course. And that's exactly what former Bush administration attorney John Yoo did on Tuesday. The network was all too eager to allow him time to offer an unchallenged justification for the cruel and inhuman treatment of prisoners carried out at his recommendation.

One of the first items Yoo tackled: why simulated drowning is not torture.

"Waterboarding is not something that was cooked up in Cheney's office or something like that," he said. "Waterboarding is something that we had a lot of information on. Twenty thousand American soldiers and officers had undergone it and did not suffer any lasting pain, harm or suffering. So, when we looked at the statute that congress wrote and we looked at that evidence, we in the Justice Department and a lot of other lawyers too said that we don't think it amounts to torture because we would not be doing it to our own soldiers otherwise."

Waterboarding, which is indeed part of the military's Survival, Evade, Resist and Escape (SERE) training, is in fact torture. The United States prosecuted Japanese soldiers for doing it during World War II. It is a violation of domestic and international law that was carried out on a very mistaken legal premise that permitted the Bush administration nearly unchecked power to detain and abuse prisoners as it saw fit.

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After President George W. Bush made a written determination that Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions did not apply to al Qaeda or Taliban detainees, three men in particular were waterboarded over 260 times.

That Yoo would cite the military's SERE training is not much of an excuse. Waterboarding, as carried out on terror war prisoners, is as real as possible. It is not a game or a program or a one time experience for prisoners.

Yet, Media Matters cites a May, 2005 OlC memo in which Steven Bradbury wrote that U.S. soldiers are "obviously in a very different situation from detainees undergoing interrogation; SERE trainees know it is part of a training program, not a real-life interrogation regime, they presumably know it will last only a short time, and they presumably have assurances that they will not be significantly harmed by the training."

Among other items approved for use against detainees, Bush administration attorneys also allowed slapping, choking, humiliation, prolonged diapering, the use of insects, sleep deprivation, loud or white noise, the use of dogs and other so-called "harsh interrogation techniques."

In authorizing these tactics, Yoo and DoJ counterpart Jay Bybee allegedly "worked with officials in the White House and at the CIA," according to The Washington Post.

Yet in spite of a significant number of missing e-mails, both Yoo and Bybee were excused from possible criminal liability for their opinions.

During his Fox News appearance, he also suggested that without the military tribunal system and the so-called "enhanced interrogations," the United States would be unable to obtain intelligence from prisoners.

The claim is interesting, considering the recent revelation that alleged Christmas Day bomb plotter Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab is "cooperating" with authorities. Abdulmutallab was mirandized and treated as a criminal, much like the Bush administration's handling of shoe bomber Richard Reed.

This video was broadcast by Fox News on March 2, 2010.

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  • threetoedpete
    Well all the Alinski's are here. John Woo must be a pretty strong candidate to becoming a supreme one day. The last time they were squealing like this, foul mouthed little girls, was when Robert Bork was nominated. Too funny.
  • Yeah! Because it shouldn’t be okay to abduct people, illegally torture them for years without due process, and not have to tell anybody about what we did to them. What kind of Nazis could be in favor of that! Thank all that is righteous for the ACLU! There is no more freedom in this country, but they keep trying anyway. Take a look at this: http://pltcldscsn.blogspot.com/2009/04/is-water...
  • R. L. Albanys
    source: http://www.alternet.org/world/38604/

    Benjamin Ferencz’s Thoughts on Bush, Cheney, Yoo et al

    Could Bush Be Prosecuted for War Crimes?

    "A Nuremberg chief prosecutor says there is a case for trying Bush for the 'supreme crime against humanity, an illegal war of aggression against a sovereign nation.' "

    "... Benjamin Ferencz, a former chief prosecutor of the Nuremberg Trials who successfully convicted 22 Nazi officers for their work in orchestrating death squads that killed more than one million people in the famous Einsatzgruppen Case. Ferencz, now 87, has gone on to become a founding father of the basis behind international law regarding war crimes, and his essays and legal work drawing from the Nuremberg trials and later the commission that established the International Criminal Court remain a lasting influence in that realm."

    "Ferencz believes that a "prima facie case can be made that the United States is guilty of the supreme crime against humanity, that being an illegal war of aggression against a sovereign nation.""
  • zonkerzzzz
    Awwww, he's so sweet, like the Pilsbury doughboy.
    So we waterboard our own soldiers, so it's OK.
    There might be a little difference between a room full of your buddies pouring water on your nose, saying this is what it feels like in case you are "enhanced interrogated" by the enemy, and being in the hands of your enemy and being waterboarded many times a day for months.
    Welcome to Yoo's America.
  • johan d
    What a surprise!! Fox of course approves the torture plan designed by the criminal John Woo. Fox loves criminals, a lot of them can be seen an a daily basis on their network. Just like the Neo Fascist which Murdoch tries to copy, lying, cheating, bullying are main parts of their business plan. Murdoch hates Democrats, hates democracy, he is a pure believer in a class system that favors only the rich. The sad thing is that their viewers have no clue that in the eye of Fox , they are the enemy.
  • aceshigh
    This is fucking ridiculous.

    Obama has basically changed NOTHING when it comes to Cheney's War on Terror. He's perpetuating the same unconstitutional, evil, fascistic nonsense that Cheney/Bush put in place, mostly because he's afraid of the political fallout of being called "soft on terrorism" by the right-wing media thugs.

    Newsflash, President Obama: THEY WILL CALL YOU SOFT AND WEAK NO MATTER WHAT THE FUCK YOU DO. YOU ARE DOING ALMOST EVERYTHING BUSH DID, AND THEY'RE STILL PORTRAYING YOU AS A WEAKLING WHO IS UNILATERALLY SURRENDERING THE AL-QAEDA.

    There is NOTHING you can do that will satisfy these fucking thugs, so STOP giving in to them.
  • robertfromphila
    Simple question: if enhanced interrogation techniques are not torture, wouldn't they then be perfectly acceptable for use in criminal investigations inside the US, and of course then be constitutional and legal? If not, Why not? Also, why were the CIA tapes of waterboarding destroyed? If they were made public and if Waterboarding was benign, wouldn't the American and international community approve of it? I can only imagine his response; but if I'm wrong, God help us.
  • linderella2929
    you are so right! Just like the photos that will not be release showing the rape of a child by a us army soldier. If it was to protect the us, lets see it. I want to know how righteous we are and how we are spreading 'demockracy' being spread around the world being piece (oil and other resources) to all (top 1%er's).
  • douvie
    I blame the Obama administration for this outrage. Had they done the right thing and prosecuted the little bastard, he'd be in jail awaiting execution instead of spewing his hatred to the intellectually challenged on Fox.
  • fiftysomething
    As long as fox keeps giving only the neocon's side of the story and not offer any rebuttals, they shouldn't be classified as a news channel. If you need any proof that fox lies all you have to do is quote their most oft spoke lie "fair and balanced".
  • BUDDAH
    FUCK FOX! YOO SHOULD BE WATERBOARDED AND TRIED FOR TREASON ALONG WITH RUPERT MURDICK FUCKING CRIMINALS ALL OF EM!!!
  • Darin G. Legore
    Up is down. FOXVIEWS is news. Black is white. Health care through PRIVATE COMPANIES is government takeover. And torture is 'enhanced interrogations'... Guess Frank Luntz spent a whole afternoon trying to find the correct talking point word to describe it. How bout "common sense solutions to republican terrorist querstioning sessions..."?
  • Mark-Alan Lynch
    Yoo blew it and Fox Skews is just too proud to condone a continuation of Yoo's ineptness. Since this network is not exactly known for news reporting, but instead is known for the vast skewing of news this latest attempt at recreating history is par for the course. Rootbert must be thrilled. GD idiot.
  • Fab Murphy
    Why is this barbaric son-of-of-a-bitch not dangling from a lamp post?
  • sceptick
    Maybe Yoo should be waterboarded until he changes his mind and admits it's torture.
  • gypski
    Waterboarding, just like so called "hogtied" (on your belly, cuffed, and shackled through the cuffs), a somewhat common jail practice, is torture. It can be experienced, and resisted, but 180+ times is a little extreme. Cruel and Unusual. I wonder how long Yoo would last with either one?
  • Richie73
    I hope he lives a very, very long life.

    Because war crimes and crimes against humanity are not subject to statutes of limitation.
  • peterlawrence
    What an idiot... he believes there were 535 members of congress when the constitution was written. There wasn't even a house of representatives until 1789 - and we have him deciding law? What's the matter... was there no 3rd grader available who knew when Congress began and the difference between right and wrong?
  • Anonymous
    Yoo and the other Bush lackey lawyers are a disgrace to our system of justice. Rule of law Republicans are huge hypocrites for tolerating evil lawbreakers like these guys. But then again, look at all the chock full of felon Republican Administrations starting with Nixon, the record shattering nearly 30 convicted felons in the Reagan Administration, Bush Sr. pardoning Cap before Cap ratted him out, and we need not say anything about Bush Jr. (only 2 convicted felons in his Administration does not do it justice).
  • Turnip
    He's off to rewrite history at Berk. How nice. I hope his lifeline gets a rewriting too, and he fall into an open manhole.
  • peterlawrence
    I still think we should torture his wife, Elsa Arnett, in front of him... according to him, that is legal.
  • DesertWren
    Tortured logic of torture. Funny how Yoo and these torture loving maggots never mention that we were waterboarding prisoners months before any memos authorizing it were written. I have a very strong suspicion that those emails show that the memos were not legal advice but were written by request after the fact to justify what Bush/Cheney had already done. Yoo, Bush and Cheney had better hope those emails do not exist on some hidden backup somewhere.

    What am I thinking? Of course those emails are gone. Obama would be embarrassed by them now as well since he has refused to investigate. So, with everyone in agreement in our government that those emails would harm everyone in power, they will never be "found." Yoo, just like Cheney, knows he is free to go on his torture promotion tour and espouse the virtues of torture American style. (It's not torture when America does it.)
  • Whatever moral virtue America once claimed is completely eroded. Oh, are we fucked.
  • wial
    what I just don't get is why Berkeley gives money to this creep, instead of drenching him and his house in safe, non-toxic butyric acid.
  • marzi
    Yoo has tenure believe it or not.
  • NoOneYouKnow
    Universities like, and sometimes depend, on government money. The Defense Dept. is one of the largest, if not the largest, funder of on-campus research in the country. So, when government asks a favor... . It doesn't help that most college administrations are as corporate as any Fortune 500 company.
  • dotmafia
    The United States military court-martialed a US soldier in 1968 for waterboarding a North Vietnamese prisoner. Guess that was wrong. And I suppose the 1983 waterboarding convictions of a Texas sheriff and three deputies, for which they were sentenced to 10 years and 4 years respectively, was wrong and the convictions should be overturned and they should be reimbursed for wrongful imprisonment. If Yoo is such a staunch defender of waterboarding, he should undergo it. Afterall, how can his beliefs have any validity if he doesn't know the experience. And it should be filmed and broadcast by Fox News.
  • indi_progressive
    uhhh, actually according to Yoo's argument, only the president in times of extraordinary national security danger can order "enhanced interrogation techniques." So they are still guilty. But I like where you were going.
  • owl
    Waterboarding was done away with world wide because it IS TORTURE. This man should be thrown in jail. The intelligents we got from waterboarding was a they told them what they wanted to hear so they would stop torturing them.
  • indi_progressive
    This isn't news, c'mon to be fair, everyone who has interviewed Yoo from the New York TImes to CNN have allowed him to make excuses for torture.
  • Democratic_Socialist
    Can we PLEASE stop saying Fox NEWS! That is a major oxymoron and the "shows" are FULL of morons!
  • allenallen
    Agree... should be Fox News [sic]. I don't watch any of Murdock's Fox channels, because they all work to support the propaganda channel.
  • texasaggie
    I like Fux Nous or Fuchs Nous better. It is a more accurate description.
  • cr66
    If John Yoo claims water boarding is harmless, maybe he should speak from personal experience.
  • Dan
    There is just one problem with Yoo's argument that 'it's OK because we do it to our guys'. The purpose of SERE training is to help our guys resist.... wait for it...... TORTURE!
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