Palin resurrects bogus ‘death panels’ and ‘rationing’ claims

By Sahil Kapur
Monday, March 15th, 2010 -- 10:19 am
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palinhair Palin resurrects bogus death panels and rationing claimsSarah Palin infected the health care debate with damaging misinformation last year when she claimed the package includes "death panels." And as Democrats make their final push to enact the bill, she has reiterated it.

Palin coined the term in a Facebook entry last August, leading to heated controversies about the reform effort. Republican lawmaker Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) echoed the former Alaskan governor, telling constituents that they "have every right to fear" such a bill.

But the notion that the concept exists in any form in the legislation has been debunked by The Associated Press and FactCheck.org, among other organizations. The nonpartisan PolitiFact awarded it "Lie of the Year" in 2009, a testament to its inaccuracy and far-reaching impact.

On Sunday, Palin took to Facebook to revive the claim as it purportedly pertains to the "rationing" of health care.

"Government health care will not reduce the cost of medical care; it will simply refuse to pay it," the former vice presidential candidate wrote. "And who will get left behind when they have to ration care to save money?"

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"Please ask yourself: who will be left behind?" she continued. "And who will decide -- what kind of panel will decide -- who receives the health care that government will obviously have to ration?"

Palin argues that the Democratic package would lead to rationing of care by a federal government "panel," which she suggested would have the power to strip treatment for needy patients. But the legislation does not allow this to occur as it contains no expansion of government-controlled insurance.

In fact, the objective of the bill is to minimize the rationing of care presently carried out by the private sector. Insurance companies are legally able to deny coverage to patients on the basis of pre-existing conditions and drop sick people from plans, even if they've paid their premiums in full. The Democrats' reform effort would put an end to these practices.

Along with stiffer insurance regulations, the bill contains subsidies for low-income individuals and an individual mandate that they purchase coverage. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office says it would cover an additional 31 million legal American residents and reduce the deficit by $118 billion over ten years.

In other words, the legislation allows the federal government to help fund health care coverage for those who lack it, but not assume control of any private-sector insurance programs. As a result, it precludes the government from being in a position to ration health care treatments.

The prospect of expanding government-based insurance has been debated in the form of a public insurance option and a Medicare buy-in program, but neither made the cut for the Senate bill, and neither is in the final reconciliation package.

In Sunday's Facebook note, Palin blasts the Democratic health reform bill as damaging to the United States and a betrayal of the public's will. "[W]e have to kill this bill before November," she writes.

President Obama's senior adviser David Axelrod and spokesman Robert Gibbs expressed confidence Sunday that it would pass within a week.

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  • cupera1
    Single payer or nationalized health care means waiting for months to see the first doctor and then add another year to see the specialist and add another 3 or 4 years for the operation or treatment. IF your condition is deemed necessary to be treated by the rationing board, death panels, and IF you will not be a useless eater after the treatment and IF you are a good party member then you will be taken care of. ALL others will be given two aspirin and call back in a week
  • CG
    How about this: "Private enterprise health care does not reduce the cost of medical care; it simply refuses to pay it." "And who gets left behind when they have to ration care to save money and increase profit margins?"
    "Please ask yourself: who is left behind?" "And who decides -- what kind of panel decides -- who receives the health care that private enterprise obviously has to ration?"
  • CoyoteMan
    Geez this whole Death Panel thing has worn really thin.
    Why doesn't she dream up some other lies to scare people with?
    Oh, yes she doesn't have much of an IQ. That's why.
  • Wildcat
    Palin who?
  • wiseturtle
    Republikkkans SUCKS!!!
  • The_Jones_Girl
    She should shut her big ugly mouth, her family has had free government health care since the day they were hatched!
  • lilybart
    I see Ted Stevens is advocating an in-Alaska pipeline to bring gas the lower 48 is NOT hungry for, to Asian markets instead.

    another Palin claim bites the dust
    Transcanada gets 500 million anyway!
    Yay! What an energy expert she is!
  • honestyingov
    I hope they quoted her correctly... Was this EXACTLY what was written on her Hand..?
    That's a lot of words for One palm.... Ohh ..sorry ( her words ) .. poor mans teleprompter.

    Meanwhile... she is Happy to have ALL of her family covered by the FREE healthcare provided through the Native Services.
    She said Her family might not get coverage though..... just another Lie. Is that number 586 now..?
    I lost count...
  • zeoroods2
    ROTFL, Palin is SUCH an air head. I cant believe anyone with a single ounce of common sense would take her seriously.

    Jess
    www.online-anonymity.us.tc
  • Thomas Jefferson
    this woman is retarded.
  • Ruben Luna
    Anyone that listens to Palin is as dumb as she is.
  • mindboggeling
    OMG! I am so sick of sarah palin and the lies she spews I can't stand it! I agree with Big Al, isn't there something more important to cover than the uninformed blithering palin. Whoever is her handler please, I'm begging you, stop promoting her as the go to expert on things she knows nothing about! I give her credit for one thing. She knows how to make hay while the sun shines!
    She's getting rich off duping the tea partiers so I can't call her stupid. I'm sure she's thinking " why should I study up on things when I'm making big bucks on lies"?
  • ed01
    This comes from someone who always QUITS when things get tough or doesn't get her way
  • Jeebus
    Healthcare is already rationed by fundamental inequity in the economic system.

    Sheesh.
  • airjackie
    Bimbo Sarah knows Americans listen and follow her every word and laughs as she makes complete fools of them. Now while Sarah yells to destory US Health Care, the Palin Family get's their free health care from Canada. Sarah even admitted it and the followers were so stupid they continue to push for no Health Care in the US. The terrorist are laughing to as they see they don't have to do anything be wait to walk in as the US destorys it's self. Even the Supreme Court got bribed to pass a bill giving Corporations the same rights as US citizens. This is what happens who a country has a majority of uneducated people.
  • homeromj
    The Palin Method:

    Lie. Lie again. Lie again to cover that lie. Lie again to cover all previous lies. Lie to cover the cover lie. Lie to deny. Then deny to lie. Lie once more to deny the denial and lie about the denial denial lie.

    The repeat as necessary.
  • Lee
    There's all this concern about "Government run healthcare", but no concern about "Wall Street run healthcare"? I would like to have someone explain that one to me. . .
  • LEFTY-24/7
    turn off the hannity, bekkk, fox and limbah...you don't know your ass from your elbow.
  • daltonII
    I have no idea what you're implying. Wall Street is running health care? In what respect?
  • fiftysomething
    I think he's making the analogy between big bucks made by health insurance and pharmas on the backs of the people that are already hurting because of bad health and the screwing we are getting from bailouts for Wall street. Maybe not a good comparison, but I'm not so dense that I didn't get the gist of his post.
  • daltonII
    First of all, the point this person is trying to make, is irrelevant to the discussion, and Wall Street has little if anything to do with health care per se. The Pharma industry is doing just fine with things as they are right now, and don't need Wall Street to improve escalating profits. The Americans who are stuck with their monthly bills (when they can even get insurance) help that along all on their own.

    Second; your snarky comment that "I'm not so dense that I didn't get the gist of his post" tells me you're not really discussing this in an intellectual or reasonable manner, but merely looking for an argument. The "gist" of his post makes absolutely no sense in regards to the article whether you think you're smart nough to understand the relevance.
  • fiftysomething
    I felt that Lee didn't deserve your dressing down and that your post had nothing to do w/discussing anything in a intellectual or reasonable manner. I was being snarky because that is how you came across. I'm a sucker for the underdog and dislike bullys. I think there are worse posters that you could go after, yet you chose one that obviously was harmless to your point of view. If you don't understand the post or think it off subject, what's wrong w/just ignoring it?
  • daltonII
    I think you need to bone up on your reading comprehension.

    You think that when I said: "I have no idea what you're implying. Wall Street is running health care? In what respect?"

    That that constituted a "dressing down" or " that it made me look like a "bully??"

    That's ridiculous and makes absolutely no sense.

    And don't give me this silly crap that I just didn't "understand" what he or she was saying. I understood what was said...I just didn't think it was relevant. (It's called an "opinion.")

    Here's my suggestion: Don't waste your time responding to my comments, and you can forget the condescending drivel relating about how you're just defending others...because that's just what it is: condescending drivel.
  • Big AL
    If the messenger is a crook(corporate media) should we not shoot the messenger. Why are the Democrats so inept at defense that they cant lay this bogus story to rest.Lets attack the media for a change. Until the MSM are held accountable for what they print or in some cases not print,we are fucked as a nation.Remember a lie travels half way around the world before the truth has even put its shoes on. Its the MSM that is responsible for this woman .Were it not for the media I doubt there would be a Sarah Palin.
  • BrainRagYell
    Well, we have John "Maverick" McCain to thank for Dear Sarah, and what is it with everybody and "shooting" things these days?
  • hackenbush
    The Democrats don't want health insurance/coverage for everyone any more than the Republicans do.

    If they did, they would be talking about a single payer plan, since it both cuts costs and covers everyone.

    The Republicans are interested in pushing social darwinism and paranoia (not to mention attempting to derail any attempts at more Democratic party gains in the next election), and the Democrats appear to be more interested in maintaining or expanding the status quo.
  • Rationalwoman
    I just don't understand why someone doesn't just explain to the people that oppose government health care that having everyone pay into the same plan would lower the cost for everyone. The more people you have paying in (for example...the whole country), the lower the cost is going to be for the individual because you are spreading the cost out over more funding sources. Insurance companies -should- work the same way, except they are run my greedy businessmen and women. Yes, the government provided health care would destroy privatized insurance, most likely. But honestly, can anyone say we would be worse off without them?
  • davidrossi
    Who writes for this semi-illiterate woman?
  • damixaustex
    I think she has a ghost writer assigned by her PR company who went to the Karl Rove school of government communications. All ya gotta do is say the opposite of the truth, lace it with fearful rhetoric and some people will believe it, especially if you throw in a few biblical references.
  • RomanceWritR
    You get double Lib bonus points for mentioning Palin and Rove in the same post. You should have added "Bush lied, people died" to complete the trifecta!
  • dennycrane
    Poor little RomanceWritR. Nobody gives him "likes." I didn't use your "buzz" words and see how many I got. That makes you a fucking liar. Asswipe.
  • RomanceWritR
    I figured it out, you ae really a conservative sock puppet, designed to make Libs look like idiots. You don't even understand tte ratings on RS, let alone politics. Hahaha!!

    You are the very best at swearing, however. So, stick to what you do best.
  • davidrossi
    You betcha!
  • qwerty
    Corporations, of course.
  • davidrossi
    You're so right. She's one of the many puppets.
  • saraswati
    Er, very illiterate...person.
  • abledanger
    Jesus told me he's gonna cast her into the Lake of Fire for lieing so much.
  • matticusfinch
    Good God why cant this Chillbillys plane crash in the remote Alaskin wilderness never to be found again.....Where are the CIA plane sabateurs when you need them?
  • TheFacts
    Sadly, the "rationing" part is not false. The Senate bill based solely on private insurance does NOT specify what medical care will be covered as part of the basic services. That is to be specified later and in an ongoing way, and the costs will be one of the criteria used to ration what services, and for whom, are in and out of the basic plan.

    The real question is why Democrats are outdoing Republicans in terms of PRIVATIZING the health insurance system. "Rationing" based on cost is what the private health insurance system is all about that just a few months ago Democrats were using as a talking point against Republicans. Propaganda tactics change, but it remains the truth of the marketplace what is going to happen. There is not an unlimited tax base to pay for the subsidies working and poor people deserve, and will need, as medical costs continue to increase in the absence of a public-option with buying power in the market to hold medical costs down and private insurance companies are allowed to just pass them on.

    The myth being sold right now is that the Exchange will control costs. It is basic market economics that it will not because the insurance companies are all independent businesses and the Exchange is not actually directly pooling risk in an economically efficient way.

    The Grayson bill co-sponsored by Kucinich and 49 other Democrats is the only way to reduce costs and render the (valid) "rationing" allegation against the current Senate/House/Administration privatization scam moot.
  • hackenbush
    Agreed. Pushing people into a private scheme where it's in the company's best interest to deny or minimalize/restrict payouts/care seems like a really, really bad idea. Profit is in inverse proportion to payout/care, so how exactly can these guys claim to be both profitable (for their shareholders) and at the same time provide good benefits for their members?

    Single payer is the best way to save money and increase the pool of people we would be covering. I also haven't heard many Medicare patients complain about Medicare not covering procedures or office visits ...
  • damixaustex
    And, they don't complain much in Canada either, where taxpayers actually supported rationing of Medicare. They can adjust the rules regularly through a democratic process. I haven't ever had my insurance company ask me what I thought they should cover.

    Single payer is the way to go, and eventually we'll have to do it to stay competitive globally.
  • fiftysomething
    When the republicans have to resort to lies about HCR, you have to wonder about the real reasons for their opposition. If they can't tell the actual reasons for their opposition, it must be because it's something they don't want you to know. The real reason is their support for insurance companies and phamaceuticals. You have to be pretty dense to not see the delaying tactics, the about faces on their suggestions and the unwavering total opposition to anything to do w/reform as anything other than to cripple, kill or delay reining in of runaway insurance and pharma costs. Republican voters, they are not on your side.
  • edwards_com
    There are no such things as 'Death Panels' . Neocons believe anything .
  • qwerty
    ==>Neocons believe anything .

    Only if it's wrong.
  • Democratic_Socialist
    Actually there are "death panels" and they're called insurance companies.
  • edwards_com
    LOL...
  • WJM51
    Oh, but there ARE. They are called INSURANCE COMPANIES. They help kill off thousands of us every year. And Palin can go fuck her lying, ignorant self.
  • edwards_com
    LOL...
    My WIFE is the only person on my written binding LIFE PANEL.
    Your sides fear & smear (see name calling neocon poster above) is so old.
  • WJM51
    My side? You mean the side that see single payer as the ONLY way that makes any sense if cost controls AND covering everyone is your goal. You mean the side that wants to do away with the insurance companies and their greed and theft? You mean the side that has known people who paid their insurance premiums for decades, and then at the first sign of real disease, were cut off completely for some "pre-existing condition" or another? You mean the side that sees profit as a poor exchange for people's lives? The side that has seen people die because of either poor or non-existent health insurance? The side that talks to my family members who are IN the operating room every day about how people are getting screwed by the insurance companies? THAT side?

    I don't HAVE to deal with fear and smear, I have reality. It's far bad enough. The right in this country deals with fear, they have come out and admitted it in their fund raising letter. I deal with the way things really ARE. And when 40,000 AMERICANS die every year for lack of health care, when 50 MILLION of us have no health care at all, that tells me that something had better change. When Costa Rica has better medical outcomes than WE do, and when we are the ONLY civilized country that allows it's citizens to be destroyed financially by medical bills, it's time to change things, and by a LARGE margin.

    Single payer is the ONLY way to do that. It would take the costs of health care away from business, with it's limited resources, and put it on the gov't, which has no need for profit, saving us 30% off the top right away. The gov't doesn't and wouldn't own the hospitals or hire the doctors. They don't tell you who you can go to see. They just deal with the money, which is ALL the insurance companies do. It's just that they insist on making huge amounts of profit and they make more money by denying you care than by paying for it. The gov't would have no such requirement, so the amount of intrusion is minimal, if at all.

    I don't have to make anyone fear anything. I just point out what already exists, and insurance companies ARE death panels. They act that way every day.
  • damixaustex
    Here's a thought to dissipate the fear of death panels.

    Currently, what sort of controls do you have over your insurance company? None, well, only one, you can cancel your policy.
    In a single payer scenario, where decision makers are elected or appointed by elected people, isn't it reasonable to assume you'd have more control? If the governing body makes a decision or rule that doesn't set well with people, it will eventually get changed. Not true with insurance companies.
  • edwards_com
    I am so thankful I am not you.
  • WJM51
    If you were, you would understand what I'm talking about. As it is, you clearly don't. \

    I'm not saying that this bill makes death panels a reality. I'm saying that the boards of directors of the insurance companies already are death panels. It's been proved many many times per year that they are EXACTLY that. What else would you call a bunch of people who decide whether someone lives or dies based on the profit margin of the company? I would call THAT a death panel if there IS such a thing.

    I'm glad you're not me, too. I wouldn't want everyone to think that I'm as ignorant of the topics he's discussing as you clearly are.
  • edwards_com
    What do you call them ? MY COURT ORDERED LIFE PANEL.
  • fiftysomething
    Your posts make absolutely no sense. WJM is wasting his posts trying to rationalize with you. It'll probably be clearer when your mental evaluation is not covered by your insurance. If you're too far gone, it'll certainly be clear to the loved ones that have to pick up the pieces and wipe the drool off your face.
  • edwards_com
    Sure the don't. Tell my LIFE panel (my spouse).
    LOL
  • hackenbush
    I have to agree with the GP poster ... Single payer does make a hell of a lot more sense than pay-for-play healthcare. Healthcare is a basic human right/need, and failure to treat it as such combined with a profit motive leads to the nasty scenario we've seen played out.

    Look, we're #37 in the world in terms of taking care of our own people's health, not #1 (as conservatives like to say), and most other nations would scoff at our current system as not only being wasteful but not taking care of everyone. This social darwinism thing is bunk from the start.
  • edwards_com
    The single payer is GREAT but it isn't in the bill at present. My contention is that their are such things as 'Death Panels' . No there is not.
  • damixaustex
    Death panels in the bill? No there aren't. Death panels in insurance companies, yes there are. Some are called rescission departments. They'll cancel your policy if they can at the onset of an expensive illness. Since you can't get anyone else to insure you, that's a death panel.
    Some are just cost control departments, telling your doctor what procedure they'll cover given a diagnosis.

    It's seems appropriate of Palin to keep the lie alive since she fancies herself a Republican. Since Karl Rove rose to power in that party, they've often thought the right thing to do is say the complete opposite of reality. Read some of Karen Hughes GW Bush speeches. Amazing works of fiction.
  • cupera1
    After the bill is passed the talking heads are now are happy about the death panel in Obama care to save money on the old and sick. Sara was right all along.

    TW Paul Krugman death panels a cost saver.mov @ youtube

    In the bill that Obama signed the rationing panel is called the Independent Payment Advisory Board. The board determines who is worthy of getting health care and who is not.

    How will replacing 10’s of thousands of bureaucrats in insurance companies with 100’s of thousands of bureaucrats working for the government make heath care cost less. How will forcing 31 million uninsured into a system with out adding more doctor’s nurses and hospitals make it more accessible. All that is going to happen is that the health care will cost more and be rationed, death panels, only to people that are productive, useless eaters need not apply
  • damixaustex
    Thanks for contributing the teabaggers view and bounding logic. I appreciate it.
  • CG
    The currently existing Death Panels are formally called "Utilization Review". Look it up.
    Every provider, every clinic, every mid-level, every hospital facility, has 'em.
  • gary
    Keep drinkin that koolaid!!!!! How do you think the will get to the 500 billion in cuts to medicare/medicaid ???????? Electronic records??? ya right

    Its called RATIONING CARE TO THE OLDEST AND SICKEST people in the program!

    Try to sugar coat it all you want!!!!!!!!!
  • Hologram5
    Tell us then, if you know SO much about this, how do they pay for it overseas? Do these people die like you all claim everyday? Do you have proof? QUIT using stupid talking points and think for yourself. If you think they care ONE IOTA about you or your family, you are sadly mistaken. It's not left or right anymore OK? It's now all about right and wrong and the people are ALWAYS right. We put them in office, they work for us and need to be reigned in.
  • fiftysomething
    Pray tell where did you get that tripe at? I bet it wasn't from any legitimate news outlet and fox is not a legitimate news outlet. Adding all the punctuation to your post doesn't strengthen your argument. It just shows that you thought it was weak and needed jazzing up. Is all caps supposed to signify yelling? If so, you can't shout down opposition in a post like your heroes in the right wing media do on radio and TV. Loud don't make right.
  • Jeebus
    Calm down Trolly McTrollpants
  • mindboggeling
    I don't know which is worse, someone who gets paid to say those things to spread the fear{thus controlling people thru fear} or a person who genuinely believes that crap! Ya know scaring grandma/grandpa with death panels isn't very christian. Now how does the party of family values justify this.
  • RichardCrow
    You are such a tool
  • john
    I'm 77, Korean War vet (1950-1955) and am able to express myself without recourse to predigested labels copied out of the Palindromic lexicon. I can guess that I am now adressing an entity who hyas never enlisted in time of War, never aided those in need and is more than willing to scrap the whole tax based infrastructure that supports your lifestyle: highways, police, sanitation, airports, public schools, the armed services, etc. When did this Barbie Doll in fishnet stockings ever accomplish anything? Sorry! Walking out on the Alaskan Electorate was an accomplishment. Of sorts!
  • Kazr
    Another republican turd. repeating the canard about cuts to medicare. The cuts to medicare proposed are the removal of the subsidies to private insurance companies called Medicare Advantage which were a GW Bush attempt to privatize it duplicating medicare services adding nothing but profits. Go ahead keep repeating the republican lies and obfuscations moron.
  • edwards_com
    'They' will be spinning fear in full force this week.
  • edwards_com
    LOL...
  • dennycrane
    "Chillbilly!" Ha Ha Ha Ha! Enough said. Thanks, Grayson.
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