This situation reminds me of the one-time hope of the Independent American - CENTRIST - voter, the RPUSA. It too degenerated into a "circular firing squad" just about the time it was really looking like the political party of the future. Now it's rebuilding, and I hope will gain momentum again when the Tea Party self-destructs, as it's well on it's way to doing. Sad, sad, sad.

"I'd love to change the world....
...but I don't know what to do....
...so I leave it up to you oo ooo oo ooo...."

The Elephants have overrun the Tea Parties.

The Tea party was infiltrated when Lost Bush supporters flocked to it. Glenn Beck took the cause and claimed to be libertarian. As for the ron paul being racist stuff...Look up the statement the president of the NAACP made during the primaries!

The real irony is the tea partiers are supposedly anti tax but want to carry on the biggest government program of them all, the empire, the "conservatives" love the empire thats why they hate Ron Paul, they're all deluded pricks who think that having soldiers stationed in muslim countries keeps the US safe, even though the exact opposite is true, Karl Roves propaganda is still working on them years after he's left office, they're pathetic weak minded sheep.

Awesome, morons devouring morons! Not that Paul is a moron, its just that I can see through his schtick! Fucking Racist mo-fo.

the president of the NAACP said he wasn't racist during the primaries. Look it up

I did and that is the NAACP Austin, TX President (Nelson Linder) not the National NAACP President (Benjamin Jealous). Besides, politics makes for strange bedfellows. Even if it were the National NAACP Pres, if the agendas align, I think certain biggotry (on both sides) issues can be dealt with appropriately.

One word. Turncoats.

One word. Turncoats.

One word. Turncoats.

One word. Turncoats.

It sure is IRONIC. Ron Paul started the whole "Tea Party" movement under a VERY Libertarian platform.

The Neocons infiltrated it and ran all of the honest Progressive and forward thinking Libertarians out. I mean FFS, Michelle friggin Malkin and Glenn Beck along with Governor Rick Perry?? Give me a break. And Sarah Palin?? If she's a Libertarian, I shot Kennedy.

Ron Paul is the real Libertarian, that's why all the slimy Pukes who supported Bush the FULL 8 years, gravitated toward the Tea Party and stunk up the place.

IRONY indeed!

Both you and RawStory have it wrong. Ron Paul SUPPORTERS--not Ron Paul--started the Tea Party Movement. And, Ron Paul SUPPORTERS organized the money bomb--not Ron Paul. It was a true grassroots movement against U.S. imperialism. However, it was too successful and was infiltrated by the neocons after the election. Now, it consists of blind Americans following propaganda. The original supporters are trying to reorganize under a different name.

He tells the truth about the GOP and they can't handle the truth.

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The Tea Party is nothing but a repeat of 1994 when the Republicans successfully portrayed themselves as being Libertarians. Since that faux-Libertarianism is still a fresh memory in many of our minds I doubt it's going to work this time.

The Tea Part movement is infected with Neocon Republican idiots, like Palin. Paul and millions of concerned Americans got this movement going without the help of these new high profile converts who will in the end destroy this movement. To show their appreciation the Neocon element is working to knock Paul in the Texas Primary. If Paul loses his seat, these lousy SOB's will take control and turn this movement into a mainstream pussy cat. The Neo Cons turned the Religious Wrong into cheerleaders for war, so much for values. The Tea Party will lose their way like these morons, wait and see.

Thank you, rawstory, for your fantastic, subtle sense of humor: irony is always most gratifying right after a declaration that the reader is about to witness irony.

well well....and like rats in a trap, they will turn on each other and feed, OR if you prefer a mangled line from "RADIOACTIVE DREAMS": '...CANNIBLES FREAKIN CANNIBLES'. OR twisted biblical 'you reap what you sow' OR further mangled biblical 'you do to yourself what you would have done to others' or how about hill billyish WILLY SHAKESHISPEAR 'HE HAS CAUSED A PESTILENCE ON BOTH OF HIS HOUSES'. I could do this all day folks but if there is any justice in this it's that racists will eat there own and then their own children. Hope daddy of tea baggin (Ron) is proud of his mutant whelps.and he knows his chickenhawks have come home to roost.

what the hell are you talkin about? i do understand one thing though you don't like ron paul. you sound like a republican hate monger. chicken hawks? you can't be talking about ron paul. sounds like bush or some other neo con traitor. you guys are always trying to project onto someone else. you stink like a ...........

sounds like Obama for that matter (chicken hawk)!

Ron Paul could be the tea party's hero. But they have to allow it to happen. Not likely

So they like Palin but don't like Paul, even though Palin says she likes Paul and is endorsing his son's run for the senate...? Go figure....

Ron Paul has been tagged by israel as an antisemite for views on the needless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that are costing the American taxpayer according to official reports: $290 million dollars a day in Iraq and $82 million a day in Afghanistan. THAT IS EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR.

The wars promoted by Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and other zionists in conjunction with Netanyahu Israeli Prime Minister has cost the death of close to 6.000 US military men and women and the crippling for life of some 18,000 young men and women in the Army, Marines, Air Force.

Not even the great Ron Paul was willing to tell the truth about Social Security during his bid for GOP nomination to run for prez. in 2008. What truth? That participation in Social Security is voluntary, that there is no law requiring anyone to use that number to get a job, that if anyone is being forced to use an SSN to be hired in the US it is as a result of corporate policy, not law, and, that for someone working in the private sector in any of the now 50 united States, no liability for federal, state, or even local income tax is incurred except for using an SSN. Instead, Ron Paul made some comment about how "Social Security should be made voluntary for young people" implying that some law requires our participation.

All federal programs are keyed to SSN use, as well as all payroll and withholding taxes. If the objective is to overturn the socialist apple cart, legislation needs to be passed requiring anyone anytime anywhere for any reason asking for an SSN to provide a plain language disclosure as to all terms, conditions, guaranteed benefits (none) and liabiliities incurred, including tax liabilities, and weather or not providing an SSN is required by law or not, etc.
Not the tea party co-opters, not Rand Paul, not Ron Paul, not any so-called "conservative" is talking about this one effective move that would kill socialism in America.

Pete

Yeah, and there's no legal requirement to pay any taxes, too. Good luck with that. Have fun in jail.

What puts people in jail is incurring a liability for the tax and then not filing and not paying. Filling out a form W-4 is voluntary, according to the IRS. Use of an SSN is voluntary, according to http://www.ssa.gov write them and ask. Fill out a form W-4 or a form 1099 and an information report is created and sent to the IRS, i.e., either a form
W-2 or a form W-9. If the IRS receives either the W-2 or the W-9, they have proof, true on its face value, that you incurred a tax liability, and they then have an expectation that you will follow up with a form 1040.

If you DO NOT participate in Social Security, there is no withholding, and no liability incurred. A form W-2 or a form W-9 is not filed and there is no expectation of a form 1040. The IRS only deals with taxpayers, not non taxpayers, i.e., those who incur no liability for the tax.

If it were otherwise, then the IRS would have a huge problem going after all the homeless people who don't pay or don't file and just panhandle for cash. In many parts of the country, they panhandle way above the minimum amount for filing. But no liability is incurred. Think about it.

Pete

Afaics, you're only dealing with the bureaucratic handling of social secuity here, not with the legal side. That the use of a form is voluntarily doesn't say that it's legal to avoid the tax. And that the IRS generally choses not to prosecute the homeless is a rational decision, the additional tax revenue wouldn't offset the costs. That is not evidence that they couldn't go after them, if they wanted. After all, the IRS does deal with non-taxpayers whenever it's clear those have a significant income and illegally refuse to pay taxes!

Wrong! But that is understandable, you haven't really studied the issue. I will attempt to break it down for you.

There are two versions of the income tax. There is the "as written" version and then there is the "everybody knows" version. "Everybody knows" because nobody bothers to read. The IRS/DOJ etc. are willing to abide by the "as written" version if you dot your "i's" and cross your "t's" and don't cross any line you are not supposed to cross. As far as the letter of the law goes, they are not lawless. Of course, they do everything in their power to stack the deck in their favor as far as getting people to believe the "everybody knows" version of the tax.

If you are like most people here in the US, you believe that for each dollar you earn above a certain amount, you incur liability for income tax. If this was true, the income tax would have been found to be outside the bounds of the Constitution a long time ago, inspite of the 16th ammendment. What the 9 learned orangutans with toy hammers said about the 16th ammendment and the income tax way back when is this ... the 16th ammendment merely clarifies that an income tax can be collected as long as it is collected as an indirect tax. (An example of an indirect tax would be the stamp tax on booze, a direct tax is a tax on property.) They also stated that the income tax was actually a tax on govt. granted privilege and only MEASURED by the income or profit derived from the privilege. In otherwords, if you want to fish in my fishing hole, I can charge you for the fish you catch. If you fish in your own fishing hole, I can't. THERE MUST BE A PRIVILEGE INVOLVED UPON WHICH THE TAX CAN BE LEVIED.

There are a few instances where the tax is legitimately applied. They include being an employee of the federal govt., being an employee or officer of a federally owned corporate entity such as the US Post Office or AmTrak, working here as a non resident alien via some sort of work permit, or deriving an income from outside of the US under the protection of the US flag. Those are clearly all privileged activities. What about working a regular job in the private sector? Privilege attaches when you opt for "covered employment" meaning covered for Social Security. In doing so, you opt to be treated for tax purposes as if you were a federal employee. If you are hired WITHOUT an SSN and opt to NOT participate in Social Security, then there is no privilege, you are fishing in your own fishing hole so to to speak.

Where people miss the simplicity of this ... corporate America has gotten virtually everybody to believe that a law requires them to obtain an SSN prior to hiring, and that nobody can work without filling out a form W-4 or a 1099. But both the Social Security Administration as well as the IRS say otherwise. Obviously, they do not broadcast this fact, but, will admit this IN WRITING if asked. No shit. the Social Security Administration is a bit more forthcoming, readilly admitting that "having and using a Social Security Number is not required to live OR WORK in the United States". http://www.ssa.gov

If you can't get a job without an SSN, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the law and EVERYTHING to do with the policy of the entity that may hire you. Usually, the policy is a result of ignorance, fear, and misunderstanding of the law as written. In larger corporations, it is that plus the handywork of a few bad actors who know exactly what the deal is but make sure that the company goes along with the system anyways.

If the "everybody knows" version of the tax was really the law, you would be a law breaker if you were to, say, hire your next door neighbor to do some handywork for you without obtaining an SSN. The implication of that would be that the govt. somehow has the right to enter into every contract as a third party and that your inalienable right to contract with others would have been abrogated (done away with). If that were the case then the tax would clearly run afoul of the specific prohibition against involuntary servitude, i.e., the 13th ammendment.

Back to the reason why I raised this issue in the first place ... not a single one of the candidates/politicians that call themselves "conservative" are willing to start screaming about the voluntary nature of participation in Social Security/SSN use. Underlying all of the legislation that, on face value would appear to be outside the bounds of the Constitution (all of the federal handout programs) rest squarely upon the Social Security System and require an SSN to participate. Until the issue of the voluntary nature of participation in Social Security/SSN use is discussed ... until such time that there is a law requiring full disclosure each time an SSN is requested ... all that is being discussed is merely how much or how little socialism we should have as opposed to weather or not someone wants to participate in any form of socialism in the first place.

Pete

Ron Paul is the best thing the GOP has going for it. Heck, Ron Paul is the ONLY thing the GOP has going for it.

It's so funny how the Tea Baggers who once where lauding Ron Paul are going after him as if he's evil reborn. These people are so mad they are eating their young in frustration. They love Palin because they sympathize with her (she's ignorant and a religious freak). The Republicans thought this was a good idea having these useful idiots stirred up when they where going after the Democrats and Obama. There's a reason why leaders in ancient times where careful to use "mob" tactics in politics, it's real easy for the mob to turn on you. The Republicans made this monster but don't know how to control it. They are afraid to do anything against them.

Lost Bushites flocked to the party after the election

Do you really think the Teabaggers who were lauding Paul but are now going after him are the same people..? Likely not.

Yup, doesn't make any sense. Morelikely, that's a conspiracy by pro war powers to unseat him. This will fail totally, I'm sure.

If the choice is either a Neocon, or Ron Paul, even liberals would vote Paul!He may have some weird views, but at least he's an honest man.

Palin is the (f***ing retarded) candidate of the Neocon/Zionists--who do not like the non-interventionist Paul.

The extreme irony in all of this (other than the irony that Ron Paul inspired the modern Tea Party movement) is that David Weigel himself is one of the people who "take aim" at Ron Paul. I wonder how many times Weigel has used the adjective "Quixotic" to describe Ron Paul.

Poor Ron Paul, he gets it from the left, the right, and in between. The Libertarian Party has also been co-opted. Perhaps Weigel would be better at explaining why his own party has been co-opted by Neocon hacks like (Bob Barr) rather than failing ridiculously at trying to explain the original notion/intent/make up of the Classic Tea Partiers. I recall one column where Weigel attacked Ron Paul, and praised Bob Barr for his "spending of donation $". Bob Barr is a disgusting neocon drug warmongering, patriot act loving hack, and Ron Paul helped expose this when he called a press conference for ALL the "lesser candidates", expressing the need for other options besides Evil and Lesser Evil. Bob Barr walked out on not only Ron Paul, but Cynthia McKinney, Ralph Nader, and Chuck Baldwin.

Weigel is passive aggressive in his attacks (note the "earmarks" and "federal aid" and "he wants to take away your SS" straw men) and acts as a Big L "gatekeeper". Some Minarchists,AnCaps, and Voluntaryists feel that people like Weigel are "Beltway Libertarians" or "Beltertarians" and are only there to cause confusion.


As far as Rachel Maddow goes, I don't agree w/ anything she says- she feels that more government will solve big government/corporatism/fascism, and I feel the opposite-we need LESS government, LESS spending, but that said, she has ALWAYS been very kind to Ron Paul (and Rand Paul), and I respect her for that. Weigel, I feel he is deceptive, passive aggressive, and untrustworthy. At least I know where Maddow stands... Weigel, not so sure, I have been less than impressed over the last few years, and question his motives.

Nothing ironic here...

For decades, it has been standard operating procedure for the government to employ COINTELPRO type operations to control real dissent. Instead of allowing dissident groups to operate independently, they realize it's more effective to manage them from the inside by setting up their own fake dissident groups. The "Tea party" is no different. It is nothing but a Trojan Horse GOP operation. Even though Paul identifies himself as a GOP candidate, he is in fact a Libertarian, so he lies outside of their sphere of protection.

As the country finds itself more immersed in financial catastrophe, dissatisfaction with the two dominant parties will grow. Ron Paul may then stand a good chance of actually being a viable candidate come next election. My guess is that he will have to run as an Independent as there is no way he will get the GOP nomination. This would just further their need to marginalize him as he becomes a threat to their corporate backed monopoly on the system.

It's such a shame that the vast majority of individuals that identify themselves as members of the "Tea Party" movement are too ignorant to understand this dynamic at work. They are nothing but pawns, falling victim to the exact interests that they seem to be protesting.

Wow! RawStory is actually running a story about someone besides Sarah Palinstien! Oops! I guess I should of read it first, there she is. The Tea Parties were originally started by Ron Paul supporters, Libertarians and Constitutionalists but since have been hijacked by Glenn Beck and his Neo-Cons like Sarah Palinberg. The Neo-Cons and Neo-Liberals have morphed into a whole new entity that have no real party of their own so have hijacked the Republican and Democrat Parties to ensure the oval office each and every election. When you wake up and see this for yourselves instead of playing this idiotic game of Divide and Conquer over and over gain, then and only then can we ever hope to get our country back. Sarah Palinski and the Neo-Tea Parties are a game strategy that must fail. Bush and Obama are on the same side and always have been and the liberals have been duped by the neo-libs once again just like the conservatives were deceived by the neo-cons. QUIT IT!! WAKE UP!! The Banksters are making off with everything we own and you people are still fighting with each other! QUIT IT!! WAKE UP!! Both Bush and Obama have made it possible!

The Tea Party movement was hijacked by mainstream corporatist Rethuglicans shortly after its inception. My wife and I had planned to go to an event only to find it was already another big-government big-media fiasco before it really got underway.

We DO need some major force for change and liberty (wtf is that??? ain't had any respect around here in a damned long time). But with the FALSE Left / Right dichotomy in Amerikkkan politiks it isn't likely any time soon.

Shows just what kind of directionless rubes the teatards are.
I may not agree with that much of what Ron Paulstands for ...and I've indeed had my suspicions about his John Bircher past and some of the white nationalist conservative groups that's he's been associated with (if even just through his staff)..... but I have to say I think he's grown as a statesman. I think he's greatly expanded his view. I've read alot of his essays and heard alot of his speeches and I think if anyone can be credited for the teaparty anti tax movement then it would have to be people like Ron Paul (with his Von Mises Institute & Lew Rockwell connections). It just shows how the teabaggers have been manipulated by industry lobbyists from the very beginning and are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
That any of them would be challenging Ron Paul shows this "movement " is just about political power and the manipulation of the ignorant and frustrated.

The Teabaggers' Phony Populism
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/...

white nationalists are always going to be drawn to constitutionalists causes. be adult enough to understand that. if you voted with obama, you voted with a lot of black nationalists. its a non-issue.

If anything proves that John Birchers have a point, its the climategate scam. There are statist commies everywhere!!

Ron Paul 2012 or bust!

That's not exactly a ringing endorsement.
The Constitution wasn't written for only one race.
Be adult enough to understand that.
The JBS had alot to do with the rise of black nationalism having helped to foster the climate of racial hostilities and paranoia in the tumultuous 60's and 70's.... peddling paranoia seems to be only thing they're very good at.

Ron Paul is the only person in Congress who doesn't belong in prison or executed for treason. These tea baggers are just a bunch of die hard republicans who would cut their own children's throats if it would save them a buck in taxes.

Let's put the Constitution Party in power.

The 'TP' died when it became the partisan product of the money that was dumped into it.
The people that still show up, are the ones that don't realize that the anger that they rightly feel, has been diverted from the true causal factors, to any cause that the funders want to oppose.
The Campaign for Liberty, the parent of the T.P., advocated the abolition the Fed, and ending of all recreational wars for profit, and cutting funding for the peacetime military. The GOP infected TP, is far from this line of rightheaded thinking.

There was a fork in the path in that moment in time. The people did not do their job. They did what the box told them. WE are the dumbest, most naive, ignorant, and inappropriately conceited mass of people on the planet, and likely it's entire history. That there is even talk of Palin, anywhere in this nation, in any other context other than as an entertainer, is all the proof anyone would need to confirm this. On the other side, that there is any fucking talk of Obama actually changing anything in a meaninful way, when his administration is completely in the tank for Wall St. and big PhRMA-Health, defies the natural conclusion that logic would dictate, . . . . . argue all you want. . . the joint parties of D+R, have been doing the same dance for almost a century without anything being settled. This is not an accident sheeple.
You cannot ask a cancer to fix itself. It's not what it does. Dog bless, Dr. Paul, Dennis, and Grayson. may his noodly appendage give them strength.
rAmen.

A paleoconservative and neoconservative are 2 WAY completely different things. A neocon fights for Israel, a paleoconservative defends America. Palin = Neocon, Ron Paul = Paleo...is this sinking in yet?

That guy looks like Charlie Sheen.

Anyway, I love Ron Paul, and this is a bunch of fucking neocons trying to sweep him under the carpet.

The baggers really don't have anything to build on, just negativity. I guess this shows that they are NOT for liberty and personal freedoms as Dr. Paul preaches. They are supporters of war and bible verse right? Hell, I'm not sure anymore but they look like a bunch of misinformed and confused citizens. I think if we legalize cannabis they will go away.

It's kind of bizarre about what's happening now in the Tea Party now. Early tea party events blamed anyone that voted for bailouts & big government spending. It didn't matter if they were republicans or democrats. I remember a youtube video from an old event where some republican congressman got on the stage to talk at a tea party rally & was shouted off the stage for voting for the bailouts! They were yelling hypocrite & physically turning away from the stage. As a Ron Paul supporter, it pisses me off that the current Tea Party is being infiltrated by warmongering, big-spending neocons that think it's a good idea for Palin to run in 2012.

Dick Armey and likely others spent money in early 2009 when the Tea Party had no money. Search Dick Armey Tea Party.

Fuck that--google Dick Armey and Enron...or Dick Armey and Glass-Seagall Act.
The guy working as hard as anyone to deregulate and enrich himself and his buddies at the expense of Americans, the guy as responsible as anyone for the banking failures, is a libertarian?
It's the biggest joke/lie evar! But that's the way he's spinning himself these days. Yes, the guy whose wife sat on Enron's Board of Directors; the guy who applauded loudly the Supreme Court's recent decision to allow corporations unlimited spending on elections; this rat-bastard Mr. Armey is now attempting to re-brand himself a Libertarian Teabagger.

More smoke for your ass, if there's any room left.

Fuck that--google Dick Armey and Enron...or Dick Armey and Glass-Seagall Act.
The guy working as hard as anyone to deregulate and enrich himself and his buddies at the expense of Americans, the guy as responsible as anyone for the banking failures, is a libertarian?
It's the biggest joke/lie evar! But that's the way he's spinning himself these days. Yes, the guy whose wife sat on Enron's Board of Directors; the guy who applauded loudly the Supreme Court's recent decision to allow corporations unlimited spending on elections; this rat-bastard Mr. Armey is now attempting to re-brand himself a Libertarian Teabagger.

More smoke for your ass, if there's any room left.

Fuck that--google Dick Armey and Enron...or Dick Armey and Glass-Seagall Act.
The guy working as hard as anyone to deregulate and enrich himself and his buddies at the expense of Americans, the guy as responsible as anyone for the banking failures, is a libertarian?
It's the biggest joke/lie evar! But that's the way he's spinning himself these days. Yes, the guy whose wife sat on Enron's Board of Directors; the guy who applauded loudly the Supreme Court's recent decision to allow corporations unlimited spending on elections; this rat-bastard Mr. Armey is now attempting to re-brand himself a Libertarian Teabagger.

More smoke for your ass, if there's any room left.

Dood, did you have to post that six thousand times???!!???

I really don't know how it happened. Sorry.

Fuck that--google Dick Armey and Enron...or Dick Armey and Glass-Seagall Act.
The guy working as hard as anyone to deregulate and enrich himself and his buddies at the expense of Americans, the guy as responsible as anyone for the banking failures, is a libertarian?
It's the biggest joke/lie evar! But that's the way he's spinning himself these days. Yes, the guy whose wife sat on Enron's Board of Directors; the guy who applauded loudly the Supreme Court's recent decision to allow corporations unlimited spending on elections; this rat-bastard Mr. Armey is now attempting to re-brand himself a Libertarian Teabagger.

More smoke for your ass, if there's any room left.

Also, i think the vast Ron Paul network needs to roll up its sleeves and get agressive and take these fake ass baggers out!

Now is the time to begin legal proceedings against all of the true enemies of the People of the United States of America. This list should begin with George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. The list will grow exponentially from there and will include the names of George H.W. Bush, Bill and Hillary Clinton, the ENTIRE CIA, the ENTIRE JEWISH LOBBY, BARACK "THE WARLORD" OBAMA, Timothy Geithner, the ENTIRE PHARMACEUTICAL LOBBY, the ENTIRE "CRIMINAL" BANKING INDUSTRY.
We must begin with these, and we must FIGURE OUT WHO EXACTLY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RAPE AND ROBBERY OF AMERICA!

You need to do your own personal exodus from the system first.

http://www.thinkfree.ca click on "FREE MOVIES!" near the top of the page, view
"Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception" and the rest.

Pete

Ay rawstory it is the fox nation tea party led by glen beck ok that is who is going after ron paul
i am starting to wonder if george soros owns rawstory

I know who...
I posted it a couple of times today and a couple of times yesterday...
Its tied to operation paper clip and the rat line...
Its tied to the Ustasi in Yugoslavia, Hitler, Franco and Mussolini.
The Papal Concordat is the smoking gun.

No shit!

... I put the glasses on ... FORMALDEHYDE FACE!

(speaking into wrist watch radio) "We have one who sees!"

Pete

Nazi

Actually, they are the real baggers. The notion that the teabagging movement grew out of a libertarian grassroots effort is utter nonsense. They were always a neo-con ideological based group from the very beginning and corporate sponsored. Sure some libertarians got sucked in by the words being spoken by the leaders of this "movement," but most soon found out that the actions of the teabaggers did not mirror said words.

Please say your kidding. The tea party movement was Ron Paul supporters only in the beginning. The neo-cons used Fox, Hannity, Beck and Palin to divide and conquer.

Just like they did to the Republican Party, eh? Neo-cons are a cancer to civilized society.

You do know, Doug, that I agree with you on that statement, the NEOCONS are a cancer and need to be irradiated and irradicated.

Unlike the position that Sarah Palin is some how a wolf in sheep’s clothing (i.e. controlled by some global elite banking cartel, etc, etc), I believe she is a true believer but she has such a limited intellectual ability that she can barely form a coherent message. (Basically – wrong – she is clueless and wrong.) In attaching herself to attacking Iran, she is only doing what Repubs have done for decades in attacking Dems for being weak on foreign policy (Jimmy Carter anyone?). In short there is a significant segment (plurality), if not majority, of the Republican party/conservatives that truly feels we MUST INVADE or ATTACK IRAN SOON. As Ron Paul would say – that is complete BS and most likely completely unconstitutional. (Completely agree Dr. Paul!!)

The truth is, Sarah Palin agrees with nearly EVERY DOMESTIC issue of both Rand and Ron Paul. Now when it comes to foreign policy, Sarah takes one extreme, Rand takes a slightly less hawkish position, and Ron takes the other extreme (which is where I am as well).

Sarah believes we should do anything to “protect” Israel and basically invade/attack whoever we want, and stay in Afghanistan until god knows when. Rand believes that “Defending our Country is the most important function of the federal government. When we are THREATENED (emphasis added), it is the obligation of our representatives to unleash the full arsenal of power…” Wow – kinda scary language there – threatened, and then we attack with the “full arsenal of power” Geez. Rand also wants to declare war in Afghanistan and stay there again for god knows how long. And then there is the good Dr. Ron Paul who essentially believes enough is enough – close bases from a WW2/cold war mentality, stop intervening in other countries issues, etc. We get attacked – sure we’ll defend ourselves.

In closing, Ron Paul is the TRUE leader of the Tea Party – Better yet the LIBERTY Party – the TRUE problem is not with Sarah Palin…it is with Educating conservatives, Republicans, and others that in addition to a smaller federal government, balancing our budget, tax cuts, etc – we as a country cannot go around and fight any and every damn war. Defend our country – sure, attack others on the basis of some ethereal threat – No!!

>sarah palin agrees with ron paul on domestic issues

um no.

sarah palin will drop to her knees and lick the "Songbirds" feet,or,shine his shoes if he has them on.

are you on dope

I agree with you 100%. Ron Paul could have saved America if he had been elected president. Instead we got Obama, which is slightly better than McCain. If America were to ever elect Sarah Palin president, I would go out and sell my house and move out of the country. I would also get rid of all US dollars and buy lots of Gold.

If you believe that you're a toolshed. I have emails from last February to PROVE that Ron Paul started the Tea Party movement to moneyroll his election and to protest the IRS and Fed Reserve. Lay off the kool-aide huh?

Oh, your emails prove it all, I'm sure. Rather than sit here and call everyone who disagrees with you names, you might try acting and doing something. You know, it's asshats like yourself that's what's wrong with our country. Instead of taking the fight to the people where it'd actually matter, like the partisan political parties, the mainstream media, lobby groups, and special interests, you'd rather sit here and fight with people on the internet you don't even know. At least I try to get something done, like attend a real rally - not some bullshit teabagger rally that's not really protesting taxes because if that were the case you would have been protesting Bush, too, instead of your partisan, neo-con agenda of blaming democrats for the failures of the republicans' ultra-conservative policies. All of you neo-cons are ruining this once great country. Have you ever done anything to actually HELP? I seriously doubt it. All you can do is sit on YOUR FUCKING ASS AS AN ARMCHAIR PUNDIT AND CRITICIZE AND CALL NAMES. GO CRAWL BACK UNDER THE ROCK YOU CAME FROM YOU NEO-CON REPTILE. Or better yet, kill yourself. That would be the only possible way for you to show a little respect for our country and those that served it, and to make a positive difference for the future.

Gee, did I hit a nerve? I am not a neo-con fyi. I HATE every thing that BOTH parties are doing because EVERY elected official in office currently are nothing but parasites and are worthless. This country is being torn apart from the inside out because people cannot put aside their differences and fight the common enemy. If you had actually read the article, you'd see that they "Admit" that Ron Paul started the movement. I quote: "Many observers give the libertarian from Texas credit for having sparked the Tea Party movement in 2007 when he held a "money bomb" fundraiser on the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party, raking in some $6 million for his presidential run in one day." SO, instead of calling someone a liar for telling the truth, or a dumbass for telling the "TRUTH", get a life.

Please point out where I called you either a liar or a dumbass. You say you're not a neo-con, but your actions tell a different story. You make accusations against anyone you perceive to be a dreaded 'liberal.' You've called several people names on this thread alone and gone off on tirades about how everyone but you is ruining the country. Very neocon-esque.

That said, here's your proof: "Many observers give the libertarian from Texas credit for having sparked the Tea Party movement in 2007..." Many observers. Lol! Well, case closed! A single event with no follow up is not a movement. I'm not saying that you neo-cons didn't steal that motif, quite the contrary. The idea was 'borrowed' from Ron Paul's event, but given that he is not affiliated with the partisan, neo-conservative teabagger movement in any way...

I apologize as I was attacked there from three different angles and got you confused with another poster. I am not going to sit here and argue with you about who's what as you obviously know everything as your handle implies that you rule and you must know everything. I am just tired as hell of watching all these blogs where people do nothing more than sit and attack each other. When we do this, they have already won. I don't have all the answers but I do know right from wrong. What is wrong is what's happening right now. The people are having less and less say of what's going on. We are turning into a police state where the Feds say they can and will assassinate any citizen, our hard earned tax dollars going to pad the rich bankers while people like you and I struggle to feed our families. You know Doug, I am not much different than you. Or the next guy here for that matter, I am just as tired of being screwed by the Feds as you. I am just as tired of the lies and half-truths as you. I am tired of watching the rich get richer and the poor get poorer from their stupid trickle down economics just like you. Why don't we quit the "infighting" and go after OUR real enemy, the enemies of the state, the ones that call themselves our "leaders"? Why can't we just put aside our petty differences and make some "REAL" change, change that we "all" CAN believe in? Is that possible? I, unlike many others don't have a problem with that, as I know that we all, together, can make the change that we all desire, for our children, and their children. Hell, if this keeps up, there won't be anything left for our children to enjoy when they grow up. Can you get my meaning?

Prove it!! Dumb ass

You're the dumb ass sitting and attacking people instead of actually DOING something to help your country. Losers like you is what's wrong. FOOL!

Liar.

SAME GOES FOR YOU IN WHAT I POSTED TO THE OTHER DIPSHIT. READ AND BE OWNED.