Imam killed in FBI sting was shot 21 times: report

By Daniel Tencer
Monday, February 1st, 2010 -- 12:13 pm
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detroitimamabdullah Imam killed in FBI sting was shot 21 times: reportA Detroit-area imam who died in a shootout with the FBI in October was shot 21 times -- at least once in the back -- and found by police lying down with his wrists in handcuffs behind him, says a local Detroit news report.

The FBI has described Luqman Ameen Abdullah, whose mosque served some 25 families, as "a separatist Muslim intent on overthrowing the United States government," according to the New York Times, but the bureau has not alleged any terrorist activity against him, and has charged that Abdullah was involved in fencing stolen goods. Federal authorities had been monitoring Abdullah "for years," the Times reported.

Now a medical examiner's report, obtained by Fox Channel 2 in Detroit, shows the imam had been shot 21 times, including at least once in the back, and his body was found on the ground with his wrists handcuffed behind his back.

The medical examiner's report is scheduled to be released this week, but had been delayed for months after Dearborn police, who are investigating the FBI in the matter, filed a court affidavit requesting the document be kept sealed, Fox 2 reported.

Informed of the circumstances of Abdullah's death, a visibly stunned member of the Council on American-Islamic Relations said the news only increased suspicions about the imam's death.

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"I wonder why he was shot in the back ... and handcuffed," said Dawud Walid, Michigan executive director for CAIR. "It's very difficult to comprehend. ... We thought that transparency would be the best remedy to remove the clouds of suspicion over this case. Unfortunately, because of the autopsy report being suppressed per the request of the Dearborn Police Department,it's brought more suspicion and more conspiracy theories regarding this case."

“It’s even more horrendous than we first [thought],” Ron Scott of the Detroit Coalition Against Police Brutality told the Detroit Free Press. Scott is calling for an independent investigation into the shooting.

John Freeman, a defense attorney and former prosecutor in Troy, Michigan, told the Free Press that you can't draw conclusions from the number of bullets fired as to whether excessive force was used.

"You can't draw any conclusions whatsoever by the number of times a person is struck by a bullet," Freeman said. "The determination on whether anything was excessive has to be made on the totality of the circumstances, including what the deceased was doing and what he was perceived to have been doing."

But CAIR's Walid points to questions about the other circumstances reportedly mentioned in the coroner's report.

"First of all, did the FBI agents follow established procedure when they shot the imam 21 times? How was the imam shot in the back? Was it proper procedure to handcuff either a dead body or a mortally-wounded suspect? If the agents found the imam alive following the shooting, did they call for medical assistance? All these questions need answers," he said in a press release.

According to Fox 2, the raid began Oct. 28 when FBI agents sent a police dog into the warehouse where Abdullah was located. Abdullah allegedly shot the dog, which later died. FBI officers then moved in, and began shooting when they took fire from Abdullah. The Free Press describes the day of the shooting like this:

FBI agents and local police surrounded a warehouse on Miller Road near Michigan Avenue [in Dearborn], believing Abdullah and others were inside.

When agents entered the warehouse, four of the men obeyed orders to surrender, but Abdullah opened fire and was shot to death, FBI agents said at the time.

The FBI has said that Abdullah opened fire first, and FBI agents at the Dearborn warehouse responded by firing on him. The FBI did not release what kind of weapon Abdullah had or how many agents opened fire.

The Detroit News reports that the FBI opened fire only after Abdullah had fired some three dozen shots. The firefight lasted only four seconds, and four FBI agents fired "an average of five shots each" at the suspect.

The following video was broadcast on Fox Channel 2 in Detroit, and uploaded to YouTube by CAIR.

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  • TopAssistant
    Why ONLY 21 shots hit their target?
  • justadood
    shot 21 times in a sting operation?

    yup--that *would* sting some........
  • Mikailus
    As a Muslim, I've never seen anything shrieking bad taste louder than a jean jacket. Worst yet, a blue turban AND a jean jacket.
  • mjc
    Journalist: "Why did you shoot him 21 times?"
    FBI man: "We ran out of bullets."

    (with apologies to UK Private Eye/Death on the Rock)
  • Ralph
    Sounds to me like one bad-assed case of suicide. Was he shot 21 times because the FBI agents ran out of bullets?
  • ron
    they should of shot him 22 times, and then they can really live in their fantasy world of getting a reward of 22 virgins...many of you dont realize the terrorists want to kill you...
  • digger
    I'd like to know whose bullet(s) killed that dog.
  • sparkey
    After the investigation is finished, it will be found that he committed suicide. Case closed, and sealed for 70 years due to national security concerns.
  • Atilla
    Come on! No one in the world, but a delusional christer, would believe that they shot him 21 times then handcuffed him. It's clearly murder and cannot be anything else. I keep saying it's only 99% that make the rest look bad.
  • bronstein
    what is a delusional christer
  • rachkien
    Darn those FBI guys. They were a little over zealous this time. Back in the day it only took one shot apiece for them to kill Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy. I think Jack Kennedy was hit twice. Or wait, was that the CIA that killed those guys. It gets confusing sometimes.
  • Todd D
    If he shot at the FBI then they had all rights to shoot him.
    And my guess is that it is standard prodecure to cuff someone in that instance...similiar to the Hollywood bank robber that got shot by swat, got cuffed then died.
    Also, they probably had to do that because they were still clearing the building and didn't want this guy to get back up. I'm sure they didn't stop and count how many time he was shot or even confirm he was deceased for that same reason.
    Remember, we pay them to get the bad guys...
  • markusgarvey
    yeah...sure...he opened fire on a whole cadre of FBI agents..."FBI opened fire only after Abdullah had fired some three dozen shots. The firefight lasted only four seconds, and four FBI agents fired "an average of five shots each" at the suspect"...bullshit....
  • Brandon
    thats a pretty good example of selective reading. Hey I'm going to believe these other news agencies but not the one that mentions WHY he was shot at.
  • markusgarvey
    the cops never lie...you can believe everything they say...especially the FBI...im sure it happened exactly as they said...
  • Brandon
    The man is a known criminal, in the possession of stolen goods, a felon and illegally caring a firearm. You believe what you want to believe.
  • FBI@WACO
    Known by whom? The FBI. Thanks for proving our point.
  • Brandon
    He converted to Islam IN PRISON. Check your facts dipshit.
  • markusgarvey
    thank you for your permission...
  • dennycrane
    The information will not be released for "70" years. Just place it down the same "aisle" as the last scene in Raiders Of The Lost Arc.
  • jimbo92107
    First, Luqman Ameen Abdullah (where's the rest of this man's name, Raw?) reportedly fired three shots at FBI agents before four of them returned fire. The agents each fired about five shots back, hitting Abdullah multiple times.

    Okay guys, what do you think is going to happen if you shoot at feds? Every single time they will fill you full of lead, then handcuff whatever parts of you remain. If Abdullah shot at feds, he signed his own death warrant. How could he possibly catch a slug in the back? Well, if you are being riddled by bullets, sometimes you might do a little pirouette as the slugs strike your body.

    I am a liberal. These complaints appear to be jumping to the conclusion that the guy suspected of trafficking in stolen goods was somehow an innocent victim of the always-bad cops and feds. Do you think you could do a better job? If so, then maybe a bright career in law enforcement awaits you!
  • WhodaThunkit
    The Detroit News reports that the FBI opened fire only after Abdullah had fired some three dozen shots. The firefight lasted only four seconds, and four FBI agents fired "an average of five shots each" at the suspect.
  • dennycrane
    The information will not be released for "70" fucking years. Just place this down the same "row" as the Ark of the Covenant in the last scene of Raiders of The Lost Ark.
  • WhodaThunkit
    Things that make me go HMM?? Just for the sake of argument lets pretend this guy had at least one ouzi. (Keeping in mind the whole firefight lasted 4 seconds) The FBI agents are so slow he is able to pop off 3 DOZEN Shots (in addition to the shot(s) fired at the dog) before returning fire. Then his "body was FOUND"...... (By whom? and why was it abandoned?) When did they start allowing local police to INVESTIGATE THE FBI??? I guess that all sounds like standard procedure to me.
  • curt
    That Fort Hood shooter guy got off about that many shots in about that amount of time. It's amazing how fast modern handguns will shoot.
  • enorceht
    who found the bodY?

    (1st Para.)
    "...and found by police lying down with his wrists in handcuffs behind him, says a local Detroit news report...."

    it sounds like when the fbi finished the shooting, the lunch bell rang, so the cleaning crew (apparently the cops) had to finish up.
  • George Orwell
    Don't mess with The Great Satan ... we'll do whatever it takes to protect our bottom line ... for more information, see MIC, CIA, FBI, JFK, RFK, MLK, False Flag, Manifest Destiny, FISA, Waterboarding, etc.
  • FBI death sqaud minions on a killing spree, it's like in the 60s they murdered a lot of black activists.
    Now and then with dubious accusations, lies and flimsy excuses, without any proportionality
  • Satan
    Sounds more 'debateable' than the Iman casually murdered by U.S. troops last week while he and his kids sat in a parked car, I think that's why it's in the news and the Iman that last week was just casually murdered by the troops is not in the news.

    Fuck the troops, fuck them to hell.

    Oh, looks like I'll have to try to post this again, looks like Raw Shitty's web page is breaking, flash ads are fucking shit up, or Disqus sucks yet again.
  • Really Old Atlantic
    It is only through the grace of God's anointment of our brave indoctrinated troops -- who will stop at nothing, and torture and kill or incinerate any enemy of the State corporate-ocracy, be they man, woman or innocent child -- that we are able to enjoy the many consumer freedoms of mass pollution and plutocracy that our lower and middle classes can only dream of.
  • markusgarvey
    this could have been avoided if we would just start drilling for oil...
  • indi_progressive
    This could have been avoided (AS WELL AS 9/11 AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ WAR!) IF WE HAD LISTENED TO JIMMY CARTER AND REAGAN HADN'T TORN DOWN THE SOLAR PANELS ON THE WHITEHOUSE!!! But no Republicans and Conservatives made fun of all the hippies who said we should develop alternative energy. You know who the conservatives and republicans then were? they were the no good boyfriend who gets America hooked on oil, pimps america out to Israel, makes america dance naked for the oil pushers, then denies knowing anyting about when they get pulled over by the police.
  • markusgarvey
    you know what i was thinking...that we could turn all puppies and kittens into fuel...you get like 3 crops a year...then Al-Qaeda would leave us alone...they hate house animals...
  • rickpetes
    Man, the imam must have been some sort of superman. Really. "...FBI opened fire only after Abdullah had fired some three dozen shots." Wow, this guy was a firearms stud. He was able to fire and reload multiple times in 4 seconds! While handcuffed! Or, he had like five guns on him? Or he had some sort of full automatic w/ at least a 40 round clip? Anyway, there's something wrong w/ this story, and I am inclined to question the FBI on this one.
  • doctk
    When police and/or FBI are not sure that a possibly violent person is subdued, they handcuff, then check vitals. It think it is an extremely tough call and sometimes misunderstood. The police don't know for sure if the suspect will still rise and attempt to strike. (Or maybe I watched "Die Hard" too many times.) If they shoot in any way that they feel is justified, then handcuff, then check vitals and find the person appears to be dead, well, removing the handcuff's could be considered a cover up. It's a lose lose situation. For the victim/suspect as well as the police or FBI.

    There could be many explanations for how at least one bullet was in his back. If it is indeed only one, that doesn't really raise any red flags for me. 21 times? Again, if many fired at once, each several times .... It is not that hard to understand.

    So there are reasonable explanations for all three of: handcuffs, 21 times and bullet in the back. My 2 cents worth.
  • Guest
    The 'bullet in the back' assumptions are what always bother me the most with this type of story. People that mention such as if it is evidence of some kind of crime or ill intent don't seem to be able to think things through very well. It's as if the authors of such articles want people to assume that shootings are always Hollywoodesque, old-west/face each other at 20 paces type affairs. At roughly 5 shots fired per agent, I'd be more surprised if the suspect HADN'T been hit at least once in the back.
  • Kurt_O
    Should knowing what a compliant propaganda instrument Fox News is for the behind the scenes PTB not give us pause to consider what purpose this and other stories like it might be serving? Could this, like Washington's decision to sell weapons to Taiwan, be a calculated provocation.

    A provocation aimed at inciting U.S. Muslims to act out and respond with violence and destruction? Might this save them the trouble of staging more false flag operations like 9-11 which more and more people are becoming aware of and scrutinizing more carefully?

    Are they trying to set the stage for imposition of new restrictions on travel abroad and freedom of movement within the country? Are we headed toward the Orwell's authoritarian police state?

    I
  • robertfromphila
    Only thing is, three of the four FBIdiots were at the donut shop, leaving only after they had cuffed the guy and rendered him defenseless. Only then did the one remaining FBIdiot open fire when the n**** called the FBIdiot a PIG, open fire. What did that guy expect, torture?
  • indi_progressive
    No, most likely he was handcuffed after being shot 21 times, and yes it is police procedure to handcuff you even if you appear dead or mortally wounded, its not as if someone has never played dead and then started shooting when a cops back was turned.

    21 shots fired isn't THAT unusual especially when you figure each person fired about 5 shots. Law Enforcement are not trained to shoot someone in the leg or shoot the gun out of their hands, they are trained to neutralize the threat as fast as possible which means putting at least 4-8 bullets in the torso.

    Once someone is shooting at someone they know to be Law Enforcement well, i don't have a problem with any of the afore mentioned.

    HOWEVER...

    I do have a problem with them just letting a dog loose to attack anyone in a warehouse. Warehouses are big places. How do you know only people under suspiscion are there? How do you know their rent some kids in the warehouse or even toddlers. What if that police dog came on an innocent kid, or one of their wives?

    And what would you think if you were working in your warehouse, and without warning, without any notification, any identification, a snarling gnashing dog comes tearing around the corner and barreling at you? If I had a gun you KNOW dam well I'd shoot it to death. Poor freaking dog, the dogs death is another crime the cosp should answer for!

    I've seen the cops on TV VIDEOTAPED they don't identify themselves, they just attack you, most of these people think they are being robbed or mugged when these "law enforcement" types jump you with their face masks and dressed all in black.

    Ask Sean Bell about that. Oh that's right you cant casue HES DEAD! Sean Bell was leaving his bachelor party late at night in New York City when out of the shadows of the alleyhs unmarked cars screech up and try and cut him off while another guy leaps in front of his car and someone else is trying to open his door. Shocked and panicked he tried to drive away at which point the cops all shoot him to death! Later the cops said a "mystery person" had shot at them with a "mystery gun" Which surprisingly no one was ever able to identify.

    Sounds to me like they had nothing on this guy, knew they couldn't get a conviction and decided to execute him right there.
  • indi_progressive
    HEY DISQUS!!!! Mind telling me why some posts are reviewed an some arent???? Mind telling me why my reviewed posts show up at my Disqus account but dont show up on the comments of the story??????
  • Ralph
    Could it be because you don't get down far enough or often enough to kiss the right ass?
  • Satan
    Disqus is a pile of shit.
  • markusgarvey
    then go somewhere else...all 1 of you... ;)
  • when_the_whip_comes_down
    Buzz words like Z!oni$t will get your post thrown into purgatory...
    expletives are ok but if you get too graphical toward putting specific authorities on the hot-seat... you will fall into scrutiny.
    I felt from the beginning that this attack is provocative. I live in the area and am familiar with the targeted group of citizens. They are politically active and will protest at the drop of a hat. I think that this will give them a opportunity to display their disapproval thereby giving the government its desired position to dispatch the military on it's citizens. The benefits for the government are many and everybody wins... except for the Bill of Rights, taxpayers and the citizens.
  • indi_progressive
    This is the paragraph they want to review?????

    Ask SB about that. Oh that's right you cant casue HES DEAD! SB was leaving his bach partay late at night in NY city when out of the shadows of the alleys unmarked cars screech up and try and cut him off while another guy leaps in front of his car and someone else is trying to open his door.
  • indi_progressive
    NYcity when out of the shadows of the alleys unmarked cars screech up and try and cut him off while another guy leaps in front of his car and someone else is trying to open his door.
  • indi_progressive
    when out of the shadows of the alleys unmarked cars screech up and try and cut him off while another guy leaps in front of his car and someone else is trying to open his door.
  • indi_progressive
    screech up and try and cut him off while another guy leaps in front of his car and someone else is trying to open his door.
  • indi_progressive
    OK I will post paragraph by paragraph and see where the offeneder is : )
  • indi_progressive
    WOW! THey won't let me post anything about Sean Bell.
  • indi_progressive
    Shocked and panicked he tried to drive away at which point the cops all shoot him to death! Later the cops said a "mystery person" had shot at them with a "mystery gun" Which surprisingly no one was ever able to identify.

    Sounds to me like they had nothing on this guy, knew they couldn't get a conviction and decided to execute him right there.
  • indi_progressive
    I've seen the cops on TV VIDEOTAPED they don't identify themselves, they just attack you, most of these people think they are being robbed or mugged when these "law enforcement" types jump you with their face masks and dressed all in black.
  • indi_progressive
    And what would you think if you were working in your warehouse, and without warning, without any notification, any identification, a snarling gnashing dog comes tearing around the corner and barreling at you? If I had a gun you KNOW dam well I'd shoot it to death. Poor freaking dog, the dogs death is another crime the cosp should answer for!
  • indi_progressive
    I do have a problem with them just letting a dog loose to attack anyone in a warehouse. Warehouses are big places. How do you know only people under suspiscion are there? How do you know their rent some kids in the warehouse or even toddlers. What if that police dog came on an innocent kid, or one of their wives?
  • indi_progressive
    Once someone is shooting at someone they know to be Law Enforcement well, i don't have a problem with any of the afore mentioned.

    HOWEVER...
  • walt
    phony
  • indi_progressive
    No, most likely he was handcuffed after being shot 21 times, and yes it is police procedure to handcuff you even if you appear dead or mortally wounded, its not as if someone has never played dead and then started shooting when a cops back was turned.
  • walt
    thats bull. ive been around a lot of shootings and i never heard of a cop cuffing someone after they been shot 21 times. you are a phony.
  • indi_progressive
    21 shots fired isn't THAT unusual especially when you figure each person fired about 5 shots. Law Enforcement are not trained to shoot someone in the leg or shoot the gun out of their hands, they are trained to neutralize the threat as fast as possible which means putting at least 4-8 bullets in the torso.
  • genki sudo
    STFU! IF they shot him to neutralise him then why where the shots concentrated on his lower limbs? This was just an execution of an innocent man by a predominantly racist nation!
  • christianpatriot
    You assume the whites are the majority, when in fact the represent 46% of the US population, so therefore your racist comment is not founded on truth. Then you go on to use the word predominately, whites again are a minority, and please note, they do not get to use the minority laws available to blacks or hispanics. Also of note, innocent men would surrender to the police without the use of any guns, as most of them did. This man was not innocent or harmless, but dangerous.
  • walt
    phony
  • indi_progressive
    No, most likely he was handcuffed after being shot 21 times, and yes it is police procedure to handcuff you even if you appear dead or mortally wounded, its not as if someone has never played dead and then started shooting when a cops back was turned.

    21 shots fired isn't THAT unusual especially when you figure each person fired about 5 shots. Law Enforcement are not trained to shoot someone in the leg or shoot the gun out of their hands, they are trained to neutralize the threat as fast as possible which means putting at least 4-8 bullets in the torso.

    Once someone is shooting at someone they know to be Law Enforcement well, i don't have a problem with any of the afore mentioned.

    HOWEVER...

    I do have a problem with them just letting a dog loose to attack anyone in a warehouse. Warehouses are big places. How do you know only people under suspiscion are there? How do you know their rent some kids in the warehouse or even toddlers. What if that police dog came on an innocent kid, or one of their wives?

    And what would you think if you were working in your warehouse, and without warning, without any notification, any identification, a snarling gnashing dog comes tearing around the corner and barreling at you? If I had a gun you KNOW damn well I'd shoot it to death. Poor fucking dog, the dogs death is another crime the cosp should answer for!

    I've seen the cops on TV VIDEOTAPED they don't identify themselves, they just attack you, most of these people think they are being robbed or mugged when these "law enforcement" types jump you with their face masks and dressed all in black.

    Ask Sean Bell about that. Oh that's right you cant casue HES DEAD! Sean Bell was leaving his bachelor party late at night in New York City when out of the shadows of the alleyhs unmarked cars screech up and try and cut him off while another guy leaps in front of his car and someone else is trying to open his door. Shocked and panicked he tried to drive away at which point the cops all shoot him to death! Later the cops said a "mystery person" had shot at them with a "mystery gun" Which surprisingly no one was ever able to identify.

    Sounds to me like they had nothing on this guy, knew they couldn't get a conviction and decided to execute him right there.
  • walt
    i repeat you are a phony. you have no actual knowledge of what you speak of. go to bed you have school tomorrow.
  • indi_progressive
    So what was so terrible about this that it had to be reviewed?

    I narrowed it down to:

    Sean Bell
    Bachelor
    New york City

    Wow, those are some inflammatory words huh?
  • allenallen
    They would have run up, after he was down, and immediately handcuffed him before even checking for vital signs. Why? You shoot, you see someone go down, you don't know if they've been hit 20 times or once or if they are stunned, faking... you can't assume anything. You also don't know, until you've searched them, if they have other guns or weapons or perhaps a frigging grenade! Training will have examples of a high percentage of people shot in the torso who still shoot back.

    Sure it sounds absurd, after the fact. NOW we know he was shot 20 times... and was probably deader than Rush Limbaugh's soul at the time, but that is NOW... then, you have to be careful.

    Not to say FBI or cops don't get out of control. I'm just not ready to jump to a conclusions.
  • Guest
    So he was shooting at them while cuffed? Or is the headline just grossly misleading?
  • Brandon
    grossly misleading....
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