Christians claim hate crimes law an effort to ‘eradicate’ their beliefs

By Stephen C. Webster
Saturday, February 6th, 2010 -- 2:15 pm
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gayrightshatecrimesbill Christians claim hate crimes law an effort to eradicate their beliefsA Christian group in Michigan has filed a lawsuit alleging that a package of hate crimes laws named after murder victim Matthew Shepard is an affront to their religious freedom.

Far from the intended purpose of severely punishing criminals who commit unspeakable acts against a persecuted minority group, the religious activists claim the laws are a guarded effort to "eradicate" their beliefs.

Filed by the Thomas More Law Center -- which bills itself as the religious answer to the American Civil Liberties Union -- the complaint claims that protecting gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people "is an effort to eradicate religious beliefs opposing the homosexual agenda from the marketplace of ideas by demonizing, vilifying, and criminalizing such beliefs as a matter of federal law and policy."

The suit was placed on behalf of American Family Association of Michigan president Gary Glenn, along with pastors Rene Ouellette, Levon Yuille and James Combs.

Claiming "there is no need" to extend hate crimes definitions, Thomas More chief counsel Richard Thompson attempted to minimize the impact of violent crimes against homosexuals.

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"Of the 1.38 million violent crimes reported in the U.S. by the FBI in 2008, only 243 were considered as motivated by the victim’s sexual orientation," he wrote on the group's Web site. "The sole purpose of this law is to criminalize the Bible and use the threat of federal prosecutions and long jail sentences to silence Christians from expressing their Biblically-based religious belief that homosexual conduct is a sin."

However, the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act clearly stipulates that it does not apply to constitutionally protected speech.

(3) CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS- Nothing in this Act shall be construed to prohibit any constitutionally protected speech, expressive conduct or activities (regardless of whether compelled by, or central to, a system of religious belief), including the exercise of religion protected by the First Amendment and peaceful picketing or demonstration. The Constitution does not protect speech, conduct or activities consisting of planning for, conspiring to commit, or committing an act of violence.

(4) FREE EXPRESSION- Nothing in this Act shall be construed to allow prosecution based solely upon an individual’s expression of racial, religious, political, or other beliefs or solely upon an individual’s membership in a group advocating or espousing such beliefs.

The Thomas More Law Center's argument is eerily similar to a fundraising letter circulated by the Family Research Council at the end of 2009, in which the conservative group claimed that extending workplace non-discrimination rules is really Obama's secret plot to "impose" homosexuality on America.

However, according to the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, "[the non-discrimination rule] exempts all religious organizations, which includes corporations, associations, and religious societies. In addition, all educational institutions are exempt if the educational institution is at least substantially controlled or owned by a religious organization or if the institution's curriculum is directed towards the propagation of a religion."

The Thomas More suit, however, goes even further than just challenging hate crimes protection for LGBT people; it challenges the findings of the Matthew Shepard investigation.

"Thomas More attorneys make the case that the perpetrators of the murder of Matthew Shepard were subject to more several criminal penalties under existing state criminal law than under the new federal Hate Crimes Act," religious news outlet Christian Post notes. "They also say there is evidence demonstrating that the senseless and brutal attack on Shepard was not motivated by hate or bias; rather, it was motivated by money and drugs."

Matthew Shepard was a 21-year-old gay man from Wyoming who was tied to a fence and beaten to death in 1998. A foundation carrying his name played an important role in helping to broaden hate crimes definitions to cover LGBT people.

The Post's story, which does not point out that the actual law carries protections for constitutional speech, claims that plaintiffs are merely seeking "judicial reassurance" that they can continue to disparage homosexuals "without being investigated or prosecuted by the government."

Writer Timothy Kincaid, blogging for the Box Turtle Bulletin, could hardly contain his sarcasm.

"[Because] the law has no effect on their rights to belief or expression of belief, the only logical conclusion is that these four Christians wish to plan for, conspire to commit, or commit an act of violence," he opined.

"Or, perhaps, this is just another example of folks who think that because 'homosexual acts, according to Scripture, are acts of grave depravity that are intrinsically disordered and are contrary to the natural law' then their religion trumps civil law."

President Obama signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act in 2009. The Thomas More lawsuit, filed in a U.S. district court in Michigan, names Attorney General Eric Holder as a defendant.

Read the 27-page Thomas More complaint (PDF link).

This version corrects the spelling of the Thomas More Law Center.

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  • Dabootys
    I think people forgot where they from. And we should eradicate devil symbol. I just went to a website http://www.dabootys.com/video.html. We should do something for porno website to.
  • You spend the next couple of days sobbing, calling your mom, playing xbox, masturbating to Internet porn and generally being miserable
  • Timothy
    So next we need a group to fight hate crimes against African Americans since the KKK officially takes a religious stance to support themselves. I mean, that would be the consistent thing for them to do; protect everyone who claims that they're being discriminated against by hate crime legislation. Then we can go and remove women from that list, since the abuse of women is backed up by the main religious texts in America.

    Seriously, when will people wake up and realize that this isn't against your religious beliefs, it's for a human beings personal rights to be treated like a human being.
  • noahrector
    Ridiculous...the Bible justifies the stoning of sinners, slavery, revenge killings etc. must I go on? We are created in His image, not some, but all. The cherry picking of Leviticus that the right so often falls back to would be laughable if is wasn't so obviously politically motivated. Too bad the can't seem to remember the great schism, crusades or the Spanish inquisition. How convenient. Isn't Rush supposed to be in jail for life like he called for as a punishment for all drug addicts? You don't get to revise your own statements when it suits you, just as you either the believe the Bible as fact to be followed to the letter or you don't. You don't get to decide in your own selfish interest and proselytize in the same breath.
  • tsauer72
    What people don't understand is that they have the right to believe anything they want, they even have the right to talk or write about whatever they want but it's when they act on those beliefs and in doing so impinge upon someone else's rights that they are wrong it says in the constitution that everyone... EVERYONE... has the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness (whatever that may be) until they impinge upon someone else's basic rights they are perfectly within their own rights the fact is that if someone attacks someone else for an arbitrary reason such as race gender or sexuality with no other basis for the attack then they should be punished more severely because the chances of it happening again to another person for the same arbitrary reason are far greater than a normal crime are these people in Michigan really saying that they want to be able to kill gay people because they are gay and not get in extra trouble for it because that's what it seems like to me
  • Boneman
    God must be greater than the greatest of human weaknesses and indeed the greatness of human skill. That God must even transcend a most remarkable to emulate nature in its absolute splendour. How can any man or woman sin against such a greatness of mind. How can any little carbon unit on Earth in the backwaters of indeed the Milky Way the boondocks betray God Almighty... that is impossible. The height of arrogance is the height of control of those who create God in their own image
  • Lala
    Man, it's always the christian groups that hate everyone who get mentioned. Can't a christian group that's for this type of stuff exist?
  • Sadly I think most Christians wouldn't want to for fear of things like excommunication, or just don't want to get involved.....it's why Christians get such a bad rep....-_-
  • I'm positive this lawsuit will never win, if it does I'll shoot myself for real. (Well no not really, but I'll be pissed off)
  • para_shy
    this protective speech that is so called mentioned above - does this include murder? Matthew was 16 years old, a kid and this so called "freedome of speech" from your "group of loving christian people" also are classified as murders as well. It states in the bible love thy neighbor and the second one is thou shall NOT kill, well your freedom of speech really are killing or the ones who are listing to your bull shit skin head acts are listing well by killing others. Christian based group is another skin head hate crimes againsts other human bengs which this christian based love the hold father and his son -- may be thye should starting living what they are preaching and do gods work and NOT hate HIS creation weather gay or straight children under gods eyes NOT satens eyes your group is showing.
  • LOL, these christians are n00bs, haha...
  • disappointedvoter
    xtians want to be free to spread their hatred.
  • DownriverDem
    I really hate to be the one to break many folks Christian bubble, but we are not a Christian nation.

    This misunderstanding does no one any good.

    We are a nation that is made up of a majority of people who happen to be Christian. The sooner folks wrap their brains around this the better.
  • Wuhnder
    "The worst thing humanity ever did was take a good idea and make a belief out of it." ~Rufus (Dogma) Ya better recognize!
  • Oh for the love of....Are you freaking kidding....I just don't know....okay that's it, I give up on the human race. It's just full of fools, idiots, and unintelligent morons.....please someone just put me out of my misery already....
  • Flexflair
    god was a close guess for our creator, here is the truth :Somewhere.... there is a man.... with a typewriter. that is all
  • RoadScholar
    What's a typewriter?
  • michaelvalentine
    Saying your a Christian don't make it so does it?
  • Will
    I don't remember jesus saying anything about homosexuality, now paul ( major closet case that he was) said something about it. But paul ain't jesus. And paul was telling everyone that jesus was coming back any minute and trying to get his followers to stop F&cking each other. They wanted to knock off a few more pieces before going to heaven ya know. LOL
  • Wildcat
    These Christian Taleban want to protect their "right" to murder a gay with the intent to terrorize *all* gays.
  • Ron
    Highly indicative of their faith is the fact that they believe this law can eliminate it. Laws of men cannot extinguish Christianity, as history demonstrates. The "faith" these people fear will be extinguished by a federal law is not Christianity, and these people are not Christians. IMHO, they are anti-Christians, bent on destroying Christianity themselves. They have a powerful enemy.
  • normanx
    If one of the members of this misnamed "Christian" group was tied to a fence, beaten and tortured until dead, they might not be so very opposed to a reasonable human rights issue regarding minorities. Any takers?
  • Suckers
    God does not exist. I'll give humans another millennia to stop being such fools in believing in the oldest lie created. Altho I got to say, the concept of this non-existent god is quite ingenius.
  • disappointedvoter
    God DOES exist! And He wants you to send me your money.
  • K.E.
    This makes me ashamed to be a Christian. Not a lesbian.
  • Whoodo
    There is a lot wrong with hate-crime legislation, but offending one's articles of faith isn't one of them.
  • brian Thomas
    "commit unspeakable acts against a persecuted minority group"

    we're talking about language in the hate crimes bills - those are the "acts". the author considers himself a child of the renaissance no doubt, but cannot fathom voltaire, to such depths has the public discourse sunk,
    much of american will no doubt welcome this crypto-stalinism, until it's their speech that's considered "hateful". will the anti-catholic bigotry so au courant in many circles come under this bill ? no chance. the author is the man with hate in his heart, and it is as transüarent as it is odious.
    why don't we just skip the hate crimes bill and throw the christians to the lions.
  • LumberJock
    Good idea. Do you want to throw out the first X-ian?

    Check your scorecard; it probably reads Lions 8; Christians ...
  • tmt
    As a believer, I believe and accept the word of God. In it, there are many sins mentioned, not just homosexuality. Lying, cheating, stealing, premarital sex are a few of the others, yet people don't get in an uproar about the fact that God considers these things sin; only homosexuality. His Word is what it is and has been for a long time; a lot longer in fact than homosexuality has been deemed acceptable by some. I do not believe people should disparage others because they don't agree with what they do; everyone's a sinner, but everyone's sin is between them and the Lord. I also don't believe that one's beliefs should be disparaged because others don't agree with them either. Some take it to extremes; on both sides, but speaking from the believer's point of view, many say they do things in the name of the Lord, but that doesn't mean He sanctions their actions. People hurt and disparage other people. The Lord absolutely doesn't.
  • disappointedvoter
    "The Lord absolutely doesn't."

    How the fuck do you know? You DON'T, and that's a fact.

    Anybody's idea of God is just as real as anyone else's, and that's one of the major problems with religion.
  • Brandon
    You know, I was beginning to think that Thomas More people where just being reactionary, however after reading all the hate-filled comments on this article, I'm beginning to think they have a serious concern worth considering.

    Oddly enough, I'm black and gay, and I don't really want to be part of stigmatized group by this law... while I do respect the intentions of the lawmakers, it does appear to be fundamentally flawed.
  • dave w
    whats the point of organized religion if you cant persecute somebody/anybody? and feel justified in doing so ...hello?
  • Brandon
    Cynicism doesn't go anywhere on this... more straw man.
  • John
    Of course they're Christians, but the fact is they could be practically any religion.
    Religious people have never had a problem with the persecution of others as long as the right people are being persecuted and to them the right people are the ones who don't believe as they do. Once again religion poisons what it touches.
  • Brandon
    Where were you when Stalin needed you to kill the millions of dissenter in the Soviet union?
  • Truth
    The greatest mass murders in history have been committed by Communists Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse Tung. More than 100 million have died at the hands of these militant atheists since the early 20th century.

    And, one of the first genocides committed in the 20th century was by Turkish Muslims against Armenians between 1915 and 1918. An estimated 1.5 million Christian Armenians were killed during that slaughter.

    Pol Pot

    AKA 'Brother Number One'. Birth name Saloth Sar.

    Country: Cambodia.

    Kill tally: One to three million (or between a quarter and a third of the country's population).
  • nedclark
    Get your facts- and your reality straight, talking-point...

    The undisputed, odious mass-murders by Pol-Pot and Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse Tung were committed by megalomaniacs who happened to be operating within non-theocratic regimes. They were mass killers because they were mass killers - each with their own particular motives - which have had little-if anything to do with their lack religiosity. Most recently, the body count is due to a horrendous convergence of the availability of victims, and increased efficiency of the means of mass-murder.

    By contrast, every - EVERY - killing committed by EVERY religionist, throughout the world and across time...from the Christian Crusaders and the Spanish Inquisitors, through the witch-hunts of Europe and the Americas, the genocide by the Turkish Muslims -- down to the murders of health-care providers by the delusionally mis-named `pro-lifers' - is done in the specific, admitted - even prideful - attempt to further the particular, blood-thirsty "will" of their imaginary god.

    Your god is no different - just as imaginary, yet just as blood-soaked.
  • pjam
    Please let us not get into this tired debate again. Totalitarianism is a fundamentally religious institution, with all the dogma and indoctrination that any religion would impose and has imposed given the opportunity. Nothing in Stalin's, Pol Pot's, or Mao's mass murders cannot be explained better and more consistently by proposing that they were eliminating rival religions, not all religions.
  • ReallyOldAtlantic
    White liberals with they're white liberal guilt are the reason for the killing of the white race because thats they're goal in life to destroy they're own race because of self hatred, when they really should be hating non-whites instead, so its not just the non-whites are who killing the white race its actually the white liberals who are killing it with their race replacing immigration, and if you think otherwise then your crazy and not following God's law of white race running the world even though 90% of the world is non-white.
  • Third_stone
    I don't get your meaning. Are you saying for the good of the world we need to go forth and beat queers and blacks? White liberals killing the white race? How? Clubs, guns, dragging them behind cars? The white race they are killing, does that include you?
  • Awesome
    That comment was not only racist, but made you look like a complete and utter, ignorant, douche bag.
  • Brandon
    straw man here.
  • roy_T
    On a stupid scale, your comment rates an A+++++. Good work old atlantic you finally reached your crowning achievment.
  • OldAtlantic
    In liberalism, really stupid means true and necessary for the survival of the white race to say and repeat often.
  • Brandon
    gibberish
  • walib
    hate crimes law an effort to ‘eradicate’ their beliefs": Okay, maybe that isn't the real reason for hate crimes laws, but it sure is one really great benefit!
  • Brandon
    In a world with no religion, you would like be the first to go, don't you think?
  • Bravado driven nationalism that disguises hate in an illusion of the defense of mom and apple pie does not improve its immorality.

    Hate crime laws deal with a specific type of offense committed for the sole reason of who a person is and to effect fear and intimidation to ward the group the victim belongs.

    Hate is evil; it always has been the biggest obstacle to fitting through the needles eye.
  • OldAtlantic
    Liberals hate freely. The Church of Liberalism demands a monopoly of hate. Once its victim groups are disarmed of the right to hate those trying to destroy them, and succeeding, they can be finished off without resistance. That is what is happening to the white race. The attacks on Christians are just a masked attack on the white race to paralyze it in the face of race replacement immigration. The resistance must come from the old line Protestant churches. The libs know that, so they target them for pre-emptive hate to leave them disarmed from race replacement non-white immigration.
  • jebbajabba
    What Old Atlantic is really saying:
    Blah blah blah blah blah. I’m a loser. Blah blah blah. I live in constant fear. Blah blah blah. I have nothing to add to the discussion so I am going to rant like the crazy old man I am. Blah blah blah blah blah. Its so unfair that my delusions are not taken seriously. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Im a loser. Blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah blah. Im a loser. Blah blah blah blah blah blah
  • Brandon
    Um, don't look now, but your maturity if showing.
  • OldAtlantic
    Why is California in trouble? Why are their teacher furlough days in California? Your non-whites have bankrupted a state that was once a garden paradise.
  • jebbajabba
    What Old Atlantic is really saying:
    Blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah. More irrelevant rubbish that has no bearing with the topic at hand. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Im a loser. Blah blah blah blah. Im so scared. Every day that I don’t wake up dead is another day where I live with fear as my master. Blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah. Damn kids these days. Blah blah blah blah blah. I’m a loser. Blah blah blah blah blah. When I was a kid a movie only cost a nickel and you could string a darky up in town square no one would look twice. Blah blah blah blah blah. Whats with this rock and roll rubbish? Blah blah blah blah blah. Why cant I send telegrams any more? Blah blah blah blah blah. I’m a loser. Blah blah blah blah blah. I have nothing to offer but fear. Blah blah blah blah blah. Pitty me. Blah blah blah blah blah. I’m a loser that has accomplished nothing in my life, so I will blame it on others. Blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
  • roy_T
    Hey Trolltranslator, stop giving Old atlantic so much credit.
  • thx1138
    .
    RELIGIOUS GROUPS ID HATRED AS MOST IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF GOD'S PRECIOUS LOVE

    -- Supreme Being That Created Infinite Fabric Of Eternal Space-Time Is Actually Hateful, Petty, Crass --

    -- American Taliban Seeks To Change Name of "Hate Crimes Act" To "God's Merciful Smiting Of Infidels" --
    .
  • Brandon
    silly comment
  • Christianity in all its shapes and forms DOES need to be eliminated - totally and completely eliminated - from all public life within one generation or they're going to elect an inbred moron like Sarah Palin or Newt Gingrich who will try and legislate a genetic and neural "social norm" and give the government the legal right to "purify" the genes of gay fetuses and "normalize" the cognitive function of atheists, making them into believers, through the use of brain rewriting technology. Gingrich has been pushing for this legislation since 2004 and people are idiots for not taking it seriously.
  • Brandon
    Keep your healing shoes. I will keep my healing.
  • You don't judge a whole religious system by those who are either unable or unwilling to live by its beliefs.
  • LumberJock
    Why not? If believers don't behave, there's no value to the belief system.
  • a whole religious system .......

    I wrote it that way because it does not refer to any one specific religion or belief system. It was meant to refer to any and all.

    A group believes this, that and the other thing.

    There are those who claim to be of that group but believe in this and that but something from over here and a bit of this over there. They do not form a fair representation of the original group.
  • Tikkun http://www.tikkun.org/

    Churches for Middle East Peace http://action.cmep.org/t/4029/signUp.jsp?key=10...

    Pax Christi USA http://www.paxchristiusa.org/

    Fellowship of Reconciliation http://www.forusa.org/

    Maryknoll Office for Global Concerns http://www.maryknollogc.org/

    Sojourners http://www.sojo.net/
  • ReallyOldAtlantic
    Right. Witch is exactly why good God fearing Christians are right, but black suicider muslims are wrong, because God said thou shall not kill you're self otherwise theres no Heaven reward for you, so that religion of hate known as muslims are gonna get a big surprise when instead of waking up in Heaven with virgins they'll be waking up in Hell without virgins, because everyone knows virgins go to Heaven, not islamo-fascist black mexican immigrants who are ruining this great white hope nation that was all white once and is still number one, USA! USA! USA!
  • Brandon
    Easy Old world... you are confusing a lot of issues here.
  • GunTotinLiberal
    Those who are either unable or unwilling to live by true christian beliefs are the people christians put in leadership positions. It’s the christians who put Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell at the top of the heap. It’s the Christians leaders that say things like we need to make homosexuality illegal. It’s the Christian leaders that support the Ugandan death sentence for gay sex. It’s the Christian leaders that say hurricanes and tidal waves and earthquakes are gods way of punishing innocent people over the sins of others. It was Christian leaders that said 9/11 was the fault of gays. And the christian followers never utter a peep in protest, they just open up their wallets and throw more money at them.
    When Christians start speaking out en masse against these charlatans and hate mongers, maybe others wont be so quick to paint all Christians with the same brush. Until then, these are their leaders. These are the people christians have assigned to speak for them. If they don’t like the reactions they are getting, they know what they can do to make things different.
  • LumberJock
    Your hypothesis has been disproved over the last 30 years. Jimmy Earl & Mama (Mizz Lillian came to town in January '77 and the Southern Baptist collective heart went all-a-flutter. Again with Reagan, then they took up sniper positions around Bush(41) & Clinton. Their fervor overflowed again with bush(43) to the level they enjoyed with reagan.

    Fundamentalism, regardless of the strain of religeon expressed, is unsound. Don't blame X-ianity as if it's in a vacuum. All extremist religeons are flawed!
  • Who's Christian leaders would they be? Right-wing fundamentalist ?
  • nedclark
    These people are objectively evil hypocrites...

    They claim to be followers of christ - yet they defy his expressed refutation of the rigid- and narrow Mosaic Laws of the Old Testament (wherein all of the scriptures condemning homosexual action are contained).

    They seek "special protection" status for their hate, because it is based on the ancient superstition of an invisible `heavenly father' who hovers about controlling every aspect of human conduct and natural events unless- and until, of course, the conduct or event is horrendous... then they blame the human victims as deserving punishment for straying from rules that their founder specifically rejected.
  • tony
    nedclark you are totally wrong - the Bible condemns homosexuality in the old and new testaments. It was wrong and it still is.
  • RAC
    So I take it that you believe that the Earth is flat? Or, that its ok to stone your children to death if they misbehave? Or perhaps you believe that Slavery is allowable because the Bible says it is? Or better yet, you believe that woman are subservient to their men, and a man is allowed to rape any woman he desires? Or my favorite, that you believe a woman who gets pregnant before she is married is to be stoned to death on her father's doorstep?

    Newflash...THE BIBLE IS BULLSHIT!!! It is nothing but a 2,000 year old book of fairy tales, full of lies, hypocrisy, contraindications, and false truths.

    Tony...do the world a favor and shut the hell up. America is not a theocratic nation. We are a Secular nation that DOES NOT tolerate religious bigotry and hatred, and that goes double for the intolerance that is coming out of your mouth.
  • tony
    Listen here RAC - for starters, I think you're the one who's full of BS - you can rant and rave and jump up and down and say any kind of nonsense about the Bible (which you obviously haven't read very much) but it still stands - Homosexual acts are a sin in God's eyes. It is unnatural, obviously and nothing you say will ever change that.
  • Bill
    You'll have an opportunity to repeat your declamation to the Almighty when you stand before Him in the not too distant future.
  • yrbmer
    Jesus said nothing about sex. Prove me wrong.
  • tony
    Matthew 5:28
    But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
  • yrbmer
    Excellent. I stand corrected.

    Ron Embry
  • chiy
    Citations, please, Tony.
  • tony
    If you want to know, look it up yourself - Start with Romans 1:22 onwards
  • Third_stone
    Yes, we know leviticus. Will you sacrifice a bullock on the steps of your church?
    Does this have something to do with the law? All are free here. Moslem, Bhuddist, even you. We do not come to you and beat you because we cannot accept that this sort of thinking is christian? No. You may do as you please, whatever strange religion, as long as you leave others who believe differently unmolested.
  • tejohn
    Your right about them being hypocrites, because to be a Christian, you must love. One sin is not bigger than another sin. All sins are are weight equally with God. Yes, He is invisible. That does not mean is not there. Air, Electricity are invisible. Why not God, If he wants. I like you post, because they are reading from the Old testament. We're under the New will and testament of Jesus (GRACE). Only God can make the crooked straight. and the straight crooked. If you broke one Law,(Old testament) you broke them all. They need to becareful, by judging they are under the Law; and in danger of eternal death themselves. Most so called Christian rights are..Hate is not God's will.
  • Third_stone
    You are your brother's keeper. Jesus was a liberal.
  • carbonpaper
    Air and electricity are easily detected by means of inflating a balloon and sticking a fork in a power socket, respectively.
  • JPMP
    Test
  • Most excellent. If their beliefs are bigotry, then it's time to end them.
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