Revealed: Retired CIA agent ‘made up’ waterboarding details

By Stephen C. Webster
Tuesday, January 26th, 2010 -- 10:14 pm

johnkiriakou Revealed: Retired CIA agent made up waterboarding detailsAs it turns out, retired CIA agent John Kiriakou has an active imagination, basically.

According to a piece by veteran intelligence reporter Jeff Stein, Kiriakou "basically made up" details about the waterboarding of al Qaeda agent Abu Zubaydah.

Arguing that waterboarding — or simulated drowning — is actually effective in forcing prisoners to share secret information, Kiriakou told ABC News’ Nightline in April, “The next day [after his first time being waterboarded], he told his interrogator that Allah had visited him in his cell during the night and told him to cooperate.”

“From that day on, he answered every question,” he said, according to ABC. “The threat information he provided disrupted a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks.”

"Now comes John Kiriakou, again, with a wholly different story," Stein noted in Foreign Policy. "On the next-to-last page of a new memoir, The Reluctant Spy: My Secret Life in the CIA's War on Terror (written with Michael Ruby), Kiriakou now rather off handedly admits that he basically made it all up."

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"I wasn't there when the interrogation took place; instead, I relied on what I'd heard and read inside the agency at the time," Kiriakou reportedly said.

"But after his one-paragraph confession, Kiriakou adds that he didn't have any first hand knowledge of anything relating to CIA torture routines, and still doesn't," Stein continued. "And he claims that the disinformation he helped spread was a CIA dirty trick: "In retrospect, it was a valuable lesson in how the CIA uses the fine arts of deception even among its own."

Kiriakou had insisted repeatedly to ABC News that waterboarding, while "torture," supposedly "saved lives," even though he had no way of knowing that.

The CIA has since destroyed all videotapes of Abu Zubaydah’s interrogations. He was allegedly subjected to waterboarding at least 83 times.

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  • Vic
    You people are MORONS. You have no clue. Just keep watching PMSNBC and all those liberal lies. You are what the libs love. Say Nothing, do nothing, just believe us. BAaaa Baaaaa what a bunch of sheeple. Blame Bush for everything when it's MORONS like the dems who vote for this stuff then turn and run like cowards and blame the republicans. What a bunch of turncoats your party is. You want lies, look at what is running country right now. There's your lie after lie after lie. You people should really do more research on your own and stop crying and pointing fingers. I think you'll find out it's the Democrats who have lied and ran this country into the ground. Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa SHEEPLE
  • thx1138a
    .
    REVEALED: ALL CURRENTLY ACTIVE, FORMER CIA AGENTS MAKE MOST STUFF UP

    -- Bay of Pigs, Gulf of Tonkin, Shah of Iran, Contras, Noriega, Saddam, WMDs: You Name It, It's Crap --

    -- Agency Admits Lying Non Stop Since Its Inception But Claims Its Now Telling The Truth. Honest. --
    .
  • congressabolishthecia
    I like how he slanders Islam in his lies. Stay classy, CIA. You're winning the hearts and minds of Americans every day!
  • dennycrane
    I think the book, "The Theory and Practice of Hell" shows what these dirty bastards are capable of. Buying their book only puts food into their pie holes so they live for another day.
  • terry
    "The CIA has since destroyed all videotapes of Abu Zubaydah’s interrogations. He was allegedly subjected to waterboarding at least 83 times."

    Isn't it a crime to purposefully destroy evidence. And, in this case, destroy evidence to hide the facts from the American people. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. Prosecute the bastards.
  • laoma
    All the handwringing is pointless. These are agents trained to mislead. Why the MSM and others go to them for testimony is beyond me. Oaths and promises mean nothing, they are completely untrustworthy. And the dumb F**ks elected a CIA director as president. You get what you wish for.
  • JustSayin
    Not only was GHWB (Mr Zapata Oil) elected President, he was such an important figure that they named their headquarters after him. This was certainly not due to his approximately one year stint as CIA Director.

    GHW Bush (and I believe Bill & Hil Clinton as well) was career CIA. Iran Contra was run through Arkansas when Bill was Governor. Bill & Hil have the Yale connection (Law School) and Rhodes scholars are known recruiting targets for the CIA. Notice how buddy-buddy Sr. Bush & Clinton have been since they both left office?
  • fiftysomething
    Waterboarding wasn't effective, yet they continued to do it. I suppose it must have been for entertainment. What a bunch of sickos.
  • allenallen
    Sickos? Maybe more to it. What has been the historic purpose of torture... say, by some Monarch or the Church or the North Vietnam (on our soldiers)? Has it been to extract military information? Except for rare situations, it is really only useful for military information (What's the plan of attack? Where are the troops?) immediately after capture.

    It has been used mainly to
    a) Extract a false confession,
    b) Allow you to release someone with the assurance that they'll never be trouble again (if a susceptible subject).
    c) Terrorizing (stop *most* of those thinking of going against the State or the Faith).

    I think (and I'm using mainly conjecture), they had orders to get (by any means necessarily) fake confessions of a link between Saddam and Al Qaeda.

    Those confessions and stories were needed, not just for the public, but for internal propaganda. I don't think that a majority of the agency's employees bought the BS and they needed stories (leaked and direct) to at least confuse dissenting opinions (creating enough doubt at least to prevent public whistle blowing).

    Another possibility is that Cheney or Rummy were just psychotic and, not being able to conceive of the possibility of being wrong, needed an external confirmation (that they were right) in order to prevent a psychological break down. "Prove I'm right, damn it!!!"

    Or not... just thoughts that come to mind. If you disagree, I respect that.
  • nygrump
    Don't forget, most of these sessions were most likely watched/enjoyed in realtime by office suits in DC and VA over mobile satellite linkup - I'm sure they have copies on their hard drives.
  • Axekick
    I wonder how much money we could save to stimulate our economy by eliminating scum like this from our tax burden?
  • C.I.A.=Central Intelligence Agency (???)

    It isn't central, it's all over the place.
    It isn't about intelligence, it's about dirty tricks, stupidity, and lies.
    It isn't our agency, because it does whatever it wants to do, not want we ask it to do.
  • grandlink
    There's not a single government agency that's fit to believe anymore. They're nothing but enforcers for dirty politicians and their schemes and plots against the American people on behalf of major corporate interests.
  • Once we believe that torture is okay, that we're still pure, clean and good for having accepted it, we open ourselves up to many evil embraced horrors of our own making. It's adherents already believe in pre-emptive war and collateral damage without a conscience thought of the results.

    How long before they embrace it as domestic policy? One not only used against a suspect but also, as in Iraq, inflicted on any family members or friends who may have desired information.
  • jimbo92107
    So from this I conclude that a lot of these guys are bullshit artists.

    Hm. Imagine that, a spy that's a bullshit artist.
  • xcitizen
    Slime.
  • Another planted story.
    Raw Story doesn't even get the story right. He didn't "make it up." It was planted.

    His story was the shift from "The United States does NOT torture," to "The United States DOES torture--but it kind of works."

    Remember? The CIA even got to act mad, like he was going all "rogue" them by admitting what anyone with half a brain already knew: the government of the United States was kidnapping and torturing people around the world and lying about it.

    The Bush administration needs to be prosecuted for war crimes. Now.
  • allenallen
    There is some other law as well about planting propaganda within the US (ok for agencies to do outside the US). Sorry, I don't know the name of it.

    In the early days of the Bush admin, they worried about it and got around it by planting a fake (propaganda) story in say an Australian newspaper (which was not illegal), and *then* citing the foriegn story in a US press conference. That way, they could get their fake story into the US press, without violating that law (you know, the one I can't think of the name of).

    Later... apparently when it was clear that no one in the "Justice" Department showed they gave a crap about the law and our Constitution... they just gave up that pretense and did things like hiring radio-talking-heads to promote all sorts of things... even not "terror" related things like no-child-left-behind. Amazing what a few hundred thousand place here and there can get you.
  • Pissed
    >The Bush administration needs to be prosecuted for war crimes<

    AND HANGED! Like the NAZI and japanese war criminals!
    No More, No Less!
  • Jack45
    While true, why isn't the MSM reporting on the Gordon Brown/Tony Blair inquiries going on now in the UK?

    Gee, I wonder.
  • scytherius
    And people believe Fox News. Yeah, GREAT Nation we live in.
  • rebeltoady
    More hot behind the scenes info from the Dick and Donald show.
  • reyrey
    In other words; there was no waterboarding that we did.

    I wonder if he would be more forthcoming if he was forced to stand on a little box with a hood over his head and his balls were hooked up to a battery.

    He might even want to coax his buddies to look harder for those videos.
  • els417
    I interpret it that he lied about how effective waterboarding was...getting info and preventing terrorist attacks.

    He isn't saying there was no waterboarding.
  • reyrey
    He is convoluting the story of any CIA "supposed" torture techniques. He now claims he didn't have first hand knowledge of anything.

    Next will be the story du jour....what waterboarding?

    That is my cynism here. The CIA is the Velvet Mafia.
  • Savantster
    He's also saying the CIA is full of idiots that brazenly "believe" everything they read at the agency, and believe all the "gossip" heard around the water cooler. He may be distancing himself from prosecution if the U.S. ever gets balls and goes after war criminals (doubtful), but he's also showing the public that those who are meant to be suspicious are rubes to the powers that want to lead them astray.

    The take away from this is, everyone that said "it was effective, we prevented lots of attacks" is talking out of their ass.. remove them, and you have only the experts from around the world that have said over and over "torture does not work".. making the case against the war criminals more wrapped up.
  • H.P. Loathecraft
    This week on Fear Factoy.....
  • H.P. Loathecraft
    Can I have a do-over?

    "This week on Fear Factory....."
  • allenallen
    Don't you see the "EDIT" button on your posts? Works great.
  • You could have clicked on "Edit" and corrected your original — and no one would have been the wiser, except perhaps for someone who just happened to read it in between: a vanishingly small number of viewers, (and so what, for that matter — that's what the Edit button is for, after all). I average three edits for every post.
  • ProgressivesVote4Results
    On a related note, ever wonder who was behind shows like Fear Factor. Out of curiosity I watched "Guinea Pig" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0161634/ the 1985 Japanese "torture porn" movie where several guys torturing a girl in various ways....literally every act they did (except 1) I had already saw performed on fear factor and I wasn't even a regular watcher. There's no way that was just a coincidence. Between Fear Factor, the Saw movies, and the 24 series I always suspected their was a government propaganda program to push torture into popular culture, probably to acclimate the public to it so revelations of it wouldn't be met with shock and outrage.
  • Googleit
  • WhodaThunkit
    XACTLY!!

    It is much like the frog.. throw him in boiling water he will jump out... but put him in the water slowly heat it up it will stay in until it boils to death
  • I wonder how many victims the CIA pigs murdered by torture
    and buried the bodys in some desert or mass grave near there
    gulags, these pigs are like the SS, simply criminals without any
    moral
  • WhodaThunkit
    Seems to me if he was being entirely honest he would be telling us that he was instructed to say these things?

    We are supposed to believe that all on his own he wandered into studios to tell us how wonderful waterboarding is, and his superiors don't seem to wonder about how he spends his spare time or salaried time (maybe) when he should be concentrating on cases to which he had already been assigned?
  • theghostpony
    War Pigs indeed (thanks Ozzy and Black Sabbath for that one).
  • shrapnel
    Yeah. A real freakin' genius - I can't wait to read his book - I bet its dead exciting.
  • SHAME
    WAR PIGS
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