Public says health care bill doesn’t go ‘far enough’

By Sahil Kapur
Monday, January 11th, 2010 -- 8:14 pm

healthcare Public says health care bill doesnt go far enoughFar from overreaching on health care reform, a plurality of the public thinks President Obama and Democrats have done too little to regulate the insurance industry, hold down costs and extend coverage, a new poll finds.

Forty-three percent of Americans said the health care bill goes "not far enough" in regulating health insurance companies, according to a new CBS survey released Monday evening. Just 18 percent deemed it "about right" and 27 percent thought it "go[es] to far."

Thirty-nine percent said the legislation doesn't achieve strong enough cost controls one of the leading goals of reform as opposed to 24 percent who believed it goes too far and 21 percent that are satisfied.

The public was also underwhelmed by the bill's provisions to extend coverage. Thirty-five percent said its efforts aren't strong enough, as opposed to 32 percent who believed it goes too far and 22 percent who were satisfied.

The study contradicts the common argument made by the Republican Party and some conservative Democrats that the bill forces too much change upon the American people.

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This case was famously echoed by Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) last month, compelling the Democratic leadership to scrap the public insurance option in a do-or-die effort to secure his vote.

In recent months, the popularity of the overall health care bill has notably dropped, with conservatives and moderates growing increasingly skeptical and liberals disenchanted with the jettisoning of major provisions.

But the public option has remained highly popular among the people -- yet highly controversial in Congress -- throughout the year. The day after the provision was scrapped from the Senate bill, a CBS poll found that six in ten Americans supported it.

The Senate bill that passed relies on a combination of federal subsidies and individual mandates to bring more people into the system. It also restricts private insurers from denying care to sick patients and those with pre-existing conditions.

The Congressional Budget Office says the legislation will insure an additional 30 million Americans, bringing the total covered to 94 percent of legal residents, as well as bend the cost curve and reduce the deficit by 2019.

The health care bill approved by the House of Representatives included a public plan, but it is widely believed that the final bill will exclude it.

The CBS poll also found that while a majority of the populace (54 percent) disapproves of President Obama's handling of health care reform, the public was even more negative on Congressional Democrats (57 percent) and Congressional Republicans (61 percent) on the issue.

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  • lhhunt
    The title of this story is terribly misleading. The poll does not say that the bill does not go far enough in nationalizing the medical industry, which is your position. There are all sorts of ways in which conservatives and libertarians would also say the bill "does not go far enough."
  • hotrodharrrry
    It is high time, we American voters kick both the Corporate, Conservative & Centrist Democrats & the Republicans out of office. That is what we Americans should do to reclaim our country from the scoundrels & rascals who get elected on false promises. This is the ONLY way to show Obama, that he cannot lie & cheat us by telling us (the public) one thing on the campaign trail & do a complete reversal after getting into office. Obama needs to be taught a tough & hard lesson.
  • lucky
    OT, but:

    1. Why doesn't rawstory carry this story?
    http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/12/headlines#1

    2. Tell the FCC to Stand Up for Net Neutrality! - deadline this Thursday..
    http://www.savetheinternet.com/fcc-comments
  • overdoneputaforkinit
    The hard part is, how can lawmakers give the medical insurance companies a big warm sloppy wet nice bailout while posing as tough reformers and doing something for the taxpayer? It looks like they can't.
  • AJS
    What we have now, and what Obama & Congressional Dems are giving us more of, is corporatism, or neo-feudalism. It also applies to Bush and the GOP Congresses before them.
  • Satan
    Lol, they really needed a poll? "Just 18 percent deemed it " - Surely they must of skewed the numers in their favor.

    America always choses war first, so America is getting what it deserved: screwed.

    Don't worry, you can always blame one of the actors from this theater group we call our leaders, I believe Joe Lieberman relishes his role. We can all blame him or some other dick when in fact all alone it's all of the upper leadership of this country working in concert to fuck us over and wage endless war. What do they care, they're set for life.

    It used to be that it was just religion that kept people from rising up and literally murdering their useless leaders, what is it these days? A love affair with a bag of Cheetohs?
  • resorick
    Amerikan populace has become.At one time,we might have stood up,shaken of these shackles and put things right,but I really can't see that we have the backbone to do anything but grovel and pray that they don't take too much this time.What a sorry excuse for humanity,as long as we continue to show our bellies,we deserve to be kicked.
  • thelonegunman
    ahh, but it went as far as the insurance execs, their lobby, and their political slaves wanted it to...
  • rebeltoady
    Welcome to the new feudalism, same as the old feudalism.
  • shane_b1968
    PUBLIC CAMPAIGN FINANCING

    We must have public financing of campaigns. I know you think you don't want to pay for it...but you already ARE!

    You pay hundreds and thousands of times what you would if the politicians actually answered to you and not greedy corporate criminals. You pay thousands of times more in a CORRUPTION SURCHARGE!


    YOU PAY FOR PRIVATELY FUNDED ELECTIONS RIGHT NOW!

    Every no bid contract, every unpaid royalty on an oil lease, every blocked piece of legislation, every blocked investigation, every effort to get healthcare for all, every blocked attempt for a living wage, every needless nuclear warhead that will never be used, every mountaintop removal mining permit OK’d, every case of cancer caused by lax environmental rules or enforcement, every prison built instead of a school...YOU PAY AND PAY AND PAY!

    And to add insult to injury, where do corporations get the money they give politicians in order to insure they can roll right over you whenever they want? FROM YOU! The cost of these payoffs is passed on to YOU the consumer!


    THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE IN THE COUNTRY!

    Whatever you think is the most important issue facing the country…forget about it. It’s going to be decided in favor of those in power. It will be watered down in favor of those who finance campaigns and control corporate media sources.

    You think the health care debate is going to come out in your favor or Pfizer’s? You think we are really going to cut military spending when more than half of the military budget for the entire world is being lavished on some of the biggest campaign contributors there are? How about Bank reform? Wall Street? Big Pharma? Iraq? The environment? Just exactly how do you see any of that working out in your favor in our current system?

    Our system is broken. Our government does not work for the people. It works for – or in fear of – people who can spend a lot of money, access a lot of media, or have a lot of power in society.


    IT’S THE MODERATES!

    What people don’t understand is that it is not necessary to buy off the whole government in order for corporate, big money interests to get its way…every time. You merely need to control either the moderates and/or the committee heads in order to assure that whatever compromise is reached it will ALWAYS benefit BIG MONEY!

    In Congress, you have partisans on either side, in safe districts, with entrenched interests who won’t compromise and are at no risk of being voted out.

    Then you have the folks in the purple districts. They could get the ax anytime. Their elections could come down to which candidate has a few thousand more to spend. If Big Money goes their way they stay, if it goes to their opponent they are out.

    These are the people you count on to forge the compromise between the two extremes and these are the very people who are most vulnerable to big money coming in hard and heavy against them.


    COMPROMISE IS ALWAYS IN FAVOR OF BIG MONEY!

    The current system assures that any compromise between the partisan extremes will be concluded in favor of big money. Even the most conscientious moderate politician in a contested state MUST cater to big money or they will not stay in congress.


    WHAT HAPPENED TO CONGRESS?

    Do you wonder what has happened to democrats in congress over the last 8 years…the spinelessness and cowardice evidenced by these people?

    This is the result of what happens to an organization over time when anyone who fights big money gets weeded out…even if it’s only one or two per election. Eventually you are left with …well, what we have now…a bunch of corporate lap dogs.
  • Eyeball_Kid
    I don't want to be insulting, but what you say doesn't mean crap. It's not that your ideas aren't good.They are. It's that we've been at these talking points over and over. And it makes no difference, just as it makes no difference whether the strong majority of voters want the public option. It makes no difference what we want. Money talks. We have less of it than the insurance and pharmaceutical industries, who pay for legislation. It's all about the money. Campaign reform won't happen because the Big Money will buy off Congress so it won't happen.

    We work. Our taxes go to government. Government then turns the money over to Corporate America. Corporate America then pays off government for the favor. Politicians, money overflowing from corporate contributions, then lie to the voters about how the common person is SO IMPORTANT. But that's only because we have this charade called an election, and we symbolically vote for our favorite politician who, once in office, will fill in where the predecessor left off-- scratching the back of the corporate donor.

    That's how it works. It's all very cyclical and very stable.

    This isn't cynicism. It's how the process works. All branches of federal government prove it every day by what they DO.

    All you have to do to verify these facts is to read and observe. Look at your investment accounts, and compare that to the corporate bailouts and the bonuses.

    My son and his fiance were just awarded their graduate degrees. There are no jobs. They have no medical insurance because they don't have the money to buy any. Every day that passes, they are plain lucky that they don't have to get medical services. If they get a serious illness or suffer an injury, they'll be in debt for decades, perhaps for the rest of their lives. They're literally living on luck, just like 45 million other US citizens.

    That's our system. Aren't we a great country?

    This is what Corporate America is all about.
  • shane_b1968
    Don't give up on public financing. First of all there are politicians would prefer it to the present system. Even if you are cynical and think it's about power, what good is power if someone else is calling the shots on how you use it.

    Secondly, it won't happen until people realize it is the top issue in America. And it won't be the media that brings it to light since they benefit tremendously. It will be person to person like we are doing here. When the vast majority see things such as the way the health care debate has gone and realizes how much more it costs NOT to have public campaign financing we will have a chance.

    On the bright side, there are many on the right who understand that their interests are not served by this system either, and this is one of the few progressive ares that could bring significant support from the right, particularly the tea baggers crowd.
  • Eyeball_Kid
    My gosh. Your optimism is almost inspiring. I think that what's very difficult to understand that the movement toward corporatism is over 30 years in the making, if not, longer. Reagan caused a corporatism revolution, and his ability to fool millions should be held up as a model of Machiavellianism, right next to all of the great sociopathic leaders in all of history. This is no small feat. He had the most powerful corporatists in all of history behind his every speech, and his every bill-signing. They knew exactly what they were doing. They went first for the control of mass media. This was essential if they were ever to prevent another 60s-type social upheaval. Then they went for a gradual shift of wealth away from the middle class by the ingenious promotion of the Trickle Down Theory and the "Laffer Curve." Remember David Stockton's wonderful criticism of the Trickle Down Theory and the "Laffer Curver" after Reagan left office? Even he thought it was a joke that should never have been taken seriously. But it was, because the media had already been bought, and WE, the people, were legitimately taken as patsies.

    The reason that all we have left is the piecemeal internet (and THAT will be closed down as soon as it's viewed as threatening) is because mass media is all about corporatism, with television being the Great Truth Generator, or The Great Mythmaker, whichever you choose.

    The reality of the situation is in the news, right now. A significant majority of US citizens/voters really want a public health care option. That sentiment is being ignored by our representatives, who are only looking as far as their wallets, which are being filled to overflowing by Big Insurance and Big Pharma. Nothing will change that fact, unless unregulated capitalism will meet its natural demise sooner than later. If and when that happens, the world as we know it will be radically and permanently altered, and it won't be pretty. And I haven't even addressed the biggest elephant in the room, the rapidly diminishing reserves of cheap oil.

    As pessimistic as Michael Ruppert sounds in his writings and his film, "Collapse", I tend to think that his conclusions are now virtually unavoidable.

    So hang on to your hat, b1968. We're in for a very rough ride, and in a relatively short time, we'll see ugly like we've never seen it before.
  • shane_b1968
    The fact is, a minor tweak could alter irrevokably how we are governed. It could be a hard limit on campaign spending, free air time for candidates, public financing, instant runoff elections, mandating that 3rd parties be allowed into debates, doing away with campaign advertising a week before an election, whatever. Any one of these things could start to change political landscape. Why would you give up with such a simple solution?
  • shane_b1968
    Ok. Let's take your view. The craps gonna hit the fan. Fine. Do you want to spread the word on how to fix it? The worse it gets, the more likely big changes can happen. Do you want to direct that energy or just complain about how it isn't happening on your schedule?
  • Eyeball_Kid
    There's the New Deal. There's the Civil Rights Bill. There's the Medicare/Medicaid package. All of them were monumental political movements because there was the political will to do so. They were all accomplished partly because the US public had a media system that was, for the most part, only the messenger, and not the agent making the message. We were informed.

    We no longer have that essential resource. We only have the vehicle that we're using now, not read or heard by millions, but by dozens.

    My purpose in articulating my POV is to help express the fact that there is nothing more important for ourselves and our children than to first, make an accurate assessment of our situation and of what will happen if we are complacent do nothing. We first have to stop assuaging ourselves with the notion that someone we elect will fix the problem merely because, during his campaign, he said that he'd do so. When we believe in this political system, juxtaposed with our current cultural climate, our clearly defined role is to perhaps vote, but more likely, to watch the televised world go by as we sit and eat. By doing so, we await our ultimate enslavement and our powerlessness. It's the urgency of our situation that few understand. We haven't a moment to lose.

    The Supreme Court is about to announce Corporate Personhood, while ordinary people are dying in the streets because their sickness and suffering doesn't matter. Do we need other indicators to allow us the understanding of where the trend lines are going?
  • shane_b1968
    Yes, the media is bought and paid for. But eliminating the gravy train of campaign money would help. I don't know about you, but I spend more time online than I do watching tv. And so do a lot of other people. You might also be underestimating the american tolerance for being lied to.

    The point is that trend lines go in a direction until they change and go in another. The supreme court choices are even more reason to get behind the democrats and quit eating our own. But the main thing is to at least sprinkle in a bit of solution (campaign financing) in with the doom and gloom, so that at least people have a direction to work towards that has a chance of changing things.

    No health care bill or education reform or global warming fix, even if they are perfect, will get to the heart of the problem. Government and business need to be separate entities with separate roles and goals. Public financing of campaigns will do that. Things getting worse doesn't make it LESS likely to happen, it makes it MORE likely.
  • Eyeball_Kid
    Eight years of Reagan, and eight years of Dumbo, not including the US tolerance for the 7 years of lies that led to an impeached Clinton, and you think that there's even a possibility that we can underestimate the American tolerance for being lied to??? FoxNews sets the propaganda agenda for the rest of the Corporate Media, and you think that our outrage, as a nation, is bubbling to the surface???

    Passing campaign financing laws assumes that there currently is a separation between government and corporations that would allow legislators to make current decisions independent of corporate influence. But we're not in that world. It's now embedded in our legislative culture that corporate lobbyists write the laws for Congress! What makes you think that lobbyists will put together a bill that will exclude them from influence on Capitol Hill?

    Campaign finance laws would be great, like a brain-dead accident victim writing a novel.
  • shane_b1968
    I've heard a lot of complaining onyour end and not much in the way of what you would do about it. You have the time to spend complaining online. All I'm asking you to do is to spend some of that time advocating for the solutions to what you complain about. You rightly said it will not come from the "traditional" forms of media it mist come person to person in whatever form that takes.

    Things looked pretty grim for civil rights and the new deal. What if MLK had just blamed the media and said all the trend lines are against us and washed his hands of it like you?
  • Eyeball_Kid
    You make some interesting assumptions about what I do when I'm not typing on the keyboard. You call my writing something akin to "blaming", while surmising that I do nothing in terms of taking action. You have no idea what I do or don't do, and it takes a lot of naivete, and perhaps simplistic arrogance, for you to make assumptions about actions I take, every day. Your comments and your emerging biases say a lot more about you than they do about me.

    Best of luck in your endeavors.

    E. K.
  • shane_b1968
    Chill out bro. I'm not talking about your private life. I'm talking about the only thing I know about, which is the content of your posts...and they seem awfully complaining without much in the way of a solution. You want to get mad that I pointed that out, great.
  • dswanson2609
    The USA is utterly bankrupt. Any "reform" will either be intended or will become about raising new revenue and cutting services. Those who are waiting to hear Santa Claus on the roof are in for a rude awakening.
  • chabuka
    No sh*t, Sherlock.....and the D.C. status quo will be absolutely shocked and dismayed when the American peasants finally take up their pitch forks and torches..and carry out a bloody revolution...like the French wealthy aristocrats, the "ruling class" of late 1700's were shocked (then guillotined)..........
  • Sam
    There are a couple of problems with what you wrote:

    1. Most of the people here in the States are not paying attention whatsoever to any of the politics or politicians.
    2. If you asked most of the people where the District of Columbia is, they would tell you it's in Canada or maybe the UK. They wouldn't have a clue.
    3. Most of the people are too overweight to walk one city block without taking a (cigarette) break and they couldn't possibly even lift a rifle or a pitchfork.
    4. 'American Idol' just began its 9th season and many/most people aren't about to miss that nor are they going to get off the couch and take to the streets by the millions when they must watch their football games.
    5. When most people vote, they vote how they have been programmed by the corporate media and by their families (such as "we've always been a Democratic [or Republican] family). They vote for a politician on name recognition and the politicians' feel-good pabulum speeches and party-line indoctrination. A politician's voting records, facts and basic sense are not a part of the thinking process for most voters. (One recent example of that: most people could care less about Obama's Bush-accomplice voting record the short time he was in the senate. When some of us tried to talk about his voting record, we were called "troll" and "Republican operative" by the Dem disciples and then they began chanting the marketing slogans "hope" and "change we can believe in" repeatedly. Sooooooooooooooo, somebody else is going to have to do what you wrote. I have a very strong feeling that the D and R rut will continue since most people are cemented in the D and R rut, which means the status quo will continue with a slow decline and the nation will continue its decline.
  • johnbis
    In total agreement as with, def94514, but who exactly is reading your comments?The sous lumpenproletariat: doubt it. As usual they are captives of the PANEM ET CIRCENSES economy.The little old ladies in sneakers with tea bag adorned hats? They join their prior sisters in total orgasmic twitches clustered about their Charlie Chaplinesque leader. I guess Sarah Palin, sans lip adornment, pretty well fits that role. Fox News: Goebbels redux. Perhaps minus the castrati commentators with vestigial adam's apples. And so on. . .
    Bring the Reverend Wright to Washington as President Obama's good angel!!!!
  • Sam
    Correction to previous comment: Change rifles to torches, since that's the language chabuka used.
  • chabuka
    No sh*t, Sherlock.....and the D.C. status quo will be absolutely shocked and dismayed when the American peasants finally take up their pitch forks and torches..and carry out a bloody revolution...like the French wealthy aristocrats, the "ruling class" of late 1700's were shocked (then guillotined)..........
  • trixy
    It is pretty simple: My body should not be some one's profit margin! My well being and health is not your bonus! I am not a slave!
    We have to come up with a non profit entity to manage health providers. Such an organization would answer to us, tax payers as opposed to the shareholders. This is the only humane solution!
  • disappointedvoter
    But you ARE a slave. You're a slave to the corporations, and there's nothing you can do about it.
  • shane_b1968
    What we have now is not socialism, in the sense that Europe has socialism...social spending, safety nets, strong evironmental protections. What we have is national socialism. It is not government controlling private enterprise it is corporations controlling the government.

    It is all about campaign financing. That is the single reason for all of this. We need public financing of campaigns. It is the single most important issue facing this country. Without it ALL legislation will be watered down in favor of big money.

    The left and right in this country are in mostly uncompetitive districts. Those who are in competitive districts are forced to a more moderate stance and these are the people who come up with the compromises to get enough votes for ANY bill to pass. They are also the people who are more in fear of (or in need of) big money weighing in on their campaign.

    Therefore, our present system ALWAYS benefits big money and leads to watered down, limp-wristed progressive measures, and overboard draconian over the top right wing measures.

    It's not the people in congress, it's how we put them there that is the problem.
  • fukum
    There wouldn't be anyone who opposes universal healthcare if it wasn't for the media sponsored by big corporate med.
  • rancespergl
    "A glass half full/empty" was a trope from the 60s to show optimism/pessimism in a personality. On any given issue, once public opinion passes the 50% mark, who gets to spin the wheel and who's zooming who?

    Cause it seems to me that We the Peeps want major reform in health, banking and governance and the water cooler has been dry as a bone for god I don't know how long.
  • steelpony
    The only thing currently wrong with Americas healthcare system, is the lawyers and politicians in the Doctors offices!
  • paullohan66
    you don't think $1.2 Billion to one CEO in 7 yrs is wrong? you have a right-wing brain.
  • steelpony
    What does that have to do with what I said???
  • texasaggie
    Paying megabucks to CEO's of the corporations involved in health care (insurance, pharmaceuticals, hospital chains, etc.) is something very wrong with the American "healthcare" system. That money came from working stiffs who had to sacrifice needlessly in order to pay the extortion demanded by the Powers That Be.
  • Sam
    Why exactly do we need health insurance companies? Ummmmmmmmmm. Health insurance companies are just corporate leeches that have no purpose whatsoever and the Ds and Rs in congress can't see that? Yeah right. They see it quite clearly. They see the dollar signs going into their bank accounts. The corporate health care industry is giving $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to these politicians, and what will they get in return? Someone over on another website talked about how their prescription drugs costs them $19 last month. This month it costs $91 for the same drugs. Now the person says they cannot afford their prescription drugs. While the corporate elite say the health care industry is just fine. The drug companies are jacking up their prescription costs in agreement with war criminal Obama (who personally came up with this drug scheme for the corporations) and is preparing for the legislation. This is more of that "change we can believe in." Stop voting for Ds and Rs (excluding Kucinich). Don't send any money to these political leeches, especially those who are millionaires (half of the congress is comprised of millionaires). Stop being used as a tool by these corporations who are fully in charge. Vote for independent NONPARTISAN progressives. It is political parties that helped get us into this disaster in the first place, so why would anyone continue to vote for "parties?" Now I expect some troll to come along and say, "you have to support the Ds (or Rs)." "Gotta get Dems in, gotta get Dems in" the Democratic Party paid troll will say. I say screw "gotta get Dems in." The entire congress could be comprised of Dems and the status quo would continue as it is now and the Dems are in the majority and they have the White House so they clearly want what is happening. D & R *both* work for the same corporate owners, not We The People. How much longer will it take most people to realize that?
  • turnip
    The weak people think they are part of a 'party', and they believe that that adds some importance, by proxy, to their lives. They cannot accept a worldview that hasn't been packaged and spoon fed to them by some credentialed and paid consensus manufacturer, and therefore is in active avoidance of truth and reality. It's just too painful, so they don't 'go there'. Admitting you are a slave, with no voice or power, isn't for the weak. Then there are the stupid. Add them together and you have a good picture of the landscape and how we got here.
  • def94514
    Yes your technically right, single payer is the best choice for an industralized country... first 37 countires have it.

    Unfortately, the US is no longer an industrialized country... we just borrow from our childrens future to pay the banksters and big medical gang as they take their 40% take off of the top.

    It gets worse. The industralized part of the US has been shipped overseas to India and China. The US would last 10 minutes in a war.. we no longer have industries.

    As far as pushing through this poor excuse for medical reform, Harry Reid could have easily changed the fillibuster rule (LB Johnson reduced the fillibuster rule from 67% to 60% to pass medicare). the fillibuster rule IS NOT PART OF THE CONSTITUTION!

    Than would have immediately neutered Joe Lieberman and the Blue Dogs and ended the circus we are in.. However, Harry acted according to plan. Made us feel like something would happen and at the last minute caved. Of course the Republicans all marched in lock step... takes no brains to be a Republican.
    BTW, the next phase in this process is when your average joe can't pay his MANDATORY insurance bill. He starts to default on his mortgage and the economy takes another tailspin

    Stay Tuned
  • def94514
    Yes your technically right, single payer is the best choice for an industralized country... first 37 countires have it.

    Unfortately, the US is no longer an industrialized country... we just borrow from our childrens future to pay the banksters and big medical gang as they take their 40% take off of the top.

    It gets worse. The industralized part of the US has been shipped overseas to India and China. The US would last 10 minutes in a war.. we no longer have industries.

    As far as pushing through this poor excuse for medical reform, Harry Reid could have easily changed the fillibuster rule (LB Johnson reduced the fillibuster rule from 67% to 60% to pass medicare). the fillibuster rule IS NOT PART OF THE CONSTITUTION!

    Than would have immediately neutered Joe Lieberman and the Blue Dogs and ended the circus we are in.. However, Harry acted according to plan. Made us feel like something would happen and at the last minute caved. Of course the Republicans all marched in lock step... takes no brains to be a Republican.
    BTW, the next phase in this process is when your average joe can't pay his MANDATORY insurance bill. He starts to default on his mortgage and the economy takes another tailspin

    Stay Tuned
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