Obama staffer wants ‘cognitive infiltration’ of 9/11 conspiracy groups

By Daniel Tencer
Wednesday, January 13th, 2010 -- 10:48 pm
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casssunstein Obama staffer wants cognitive infiltration of 9/11 conspiracy groupsIn a 2008 academic paper, President Barack Obama's appointee to head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs advocated "cognitive infiltration" of groups that advocate "conspiracy theories" like the ones surrounding 9/11.

Cass Sunstein, a Harvard law professor, co-wrote an academic article entitled "Conspiracy Theories: Causes and Cures," in which he argued that the government should stealthily infiltrate groups that pose alternative theories on historical events via "chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine" those groups.

As head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, Sunstein is in charge of "overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs," according to the White House Web site.

Sunstein's article, published in the Journal of Political Philosphy in 2008 and recently uncovered by blogger Marc Estrin, states that "our primary claim is that conspiracy theories typically stem not from irrationality or mental illness of any kind but from a 'crippled epistemology,' in the form of a sharply limited number of (relevant) informational sources."

By "crippled epistemology" Sunstein means that people who believe in conspiracy theories have a limited number of sources of information that they trust. Therefore, Sunstein argued in the article, it would not work to simply refute the conspiracy theories in public -- the very sources that conspiracy theorists believe would have to be infiltrated.

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Sunstein, whose article focuses largely on the 9/11 conspiracy theories, suggests that the government "enlist nongovernmental officials in the effort to rebut the theories. It might ensure that credible independent experts offer the rebuttal, rather than government officials themselves. There is a tradeoff between credibility and control, however. The price of credibility is that government cannot be seen to control the independent experts."

Download a PDF of the article here.

Sunstein argued that "government might undertake (legal) tactics for breaking up the tight cognitive clusters of extremist theories." He suggested that "government agents (and their allies) might enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action."

"We expect such tactics from undercover cops, or FBI," Estrin writes at the Rag Blog, expressing surprise that "a high-level presidential advisor" would support such a strategy.

Estrin notes that Sunstein advocates in his article for the infiltration of "extremist" groups so that it undermines the groups' confidence to the extent that "new recruits will be suspect and participants in the group’s virtual networks will doubt each other’s bona fides."

Sunstein has been the target of numerous "conspiracy theories" himself, mostly from the right wing political echo chamber, with conservative talking heads claiming he favors enacting "a second Bill of Rights" that would do away with the Second Amendment. Sunstein's recent book, On Rumors: How Falsehoods Spread, Why We Believe Them, What Can Be Done, was criticized by some on the right as "a blueprint for online censorship."

Sunstein "wants to hold blogs and web hosting services accountable for the remarks of commenters on websites while altering libel laws to make it easier to sue for spreading 'rumors,'" wrote Ed Lasky at American Thinker.

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  • Its time people.
  • Actually, it's the people who DON'T believe in 9-11 conspiracies who have a limited amount of information. Most of them have never even looked at--let alone studied seriously--the numerous pieces of information suggesting a conspiracy--or at least a cover-up of important facts.

    The same is true of pretty much any conspiracy theory--JFK being the most obvious example.

    In general, let's face it, people don't go too deep into history or current events. They just accept what they read in the paper or hear on television.

    The accusation of limited information sources is just an insult to those of us who actually take the time to look at many sides of a story.
  • Pete Travis
    This type of double-talk from Sunstein is absolutely reminiscent of Joseph Goebbels and how innoccousley control over the press and radio began in Germany in the 1930's.A Harvard professor is pushing this agenda?What a sick arrogant idea.So-what he's saying is if you don't believe the government -you're an extremist.Quite ignorant even for a Harvard man.
  • Bahb
    Wow! Where would be be with Teh Jew??? Hmmmm????
  • 1joe1
    Just another zionist pushing thier agenda, wake up people there isn't much time left.
  • freedom
    Note the explosive response numbers to this story...

    People are sick of war crimes, mass murder, treason, torture, high crimes and liars who dress as reasonable people.

    There is only one motivation to quash reality with "cognitive infiltration"...

    The truth harms only those who are most worried about it.

    I knew the morning of September 11 2001, that explosives must have been placed in those towers. I'm speaking from my many years of service as an Oregon State certified veteran Firefighter, Fire investigator, EMT and Hazmat specialist, and as a licensed general construction contractor with over 20 years in the trades.

    Sorry to say this, but man-made structures, even in third world locations, do not turn to powder in mid-air. then accelerate directly through the path of most resistance - ever!

    People with high degrees of professionalism and experience, spend great efforts to ensure your public safety, through designing and erecting buildings constructed to resist failure at all cost, regardless of the circumstances.

    Fire and structural damage from asymmetrical catastrophic events can NOT cause identical symmetrical failures - impossible! Any examples of this prior to 911? None at all - period. Any after 911? None what-so-ever!

    The NIST reports are clear and proven frauds - there's enough real professionals making their findings known publicly to cause people like Cass Sunstein to overtly request an army of liars to quell the groundswells of legitimate questions...

    Criminal removal of evidence from a crime scene, before that evidence is documented properly (i.e. tested for explosives and accelerants) happened at all four locations where alleged commercial aircrafts crashed. Not following NFPA investigation protocols where fire and terrorism are suspected is a crime as well, N.F.P.A. 921 19.4.8.2.6.

    Had the mandated officials been able to do their jobs, we would have known this was done with inside help and involved the nano thermites that would later be identified within the April 4, 2009 peer reviewed scientific study of 4 separate dust samples from the vicinity of WTC complex. Entitled “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe” by Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsen.

    The patently false information actively propagated by criminal people like Cass Sunstein and those who continue to deny reality, by claiming they know the official narratives of the day are true, is called "criminal accessory after the fact" and Treason. By continuing to support these malicious lies you are sealing your doom every time you publicly prop-up the lies and post your treason.

    Shills who show up with their JREF debunking pap, are forgetting something important. Each time they spew their treason, it comes with an identifying code attaching these crimes to the computer and IP from whence it came. So before you continue to accept murderous paychecks for pushing false and misleading information that obscures truth and slanders those who have a stake in truth and justice, think how you'll feel from the cell block that people like me will continue to seek on your behalf.

    My fellow firefighters - brothers and sisters, fellow americans, marines, soldiers and the millions of innocent lives snuffed-out from your worship of greed and empire building - are the force behind truth. Their horror drives justice seekers to find peace through real and legal investigations.

    If there's nothing to hide, why the "cognitive infiltration"?
  • stefanstanford
    Mr. Blair’s departure could strengthen the hand of the C.I.A operatives, who have bristled at directives from Mr. Blair’s office. In recent months, Mr. Blair has been outspoken about reining in the C.I.A.’s covert activities, citing their propensity to backfire and tarnish America’s image.

    The administration has largely embraced the C.I.A. operations, especially the agency’s campaign to kill militants in Pakistan’s tribal areas with drone aircraft.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/us/politics/2...
  • Most people now recognize Zionists as psychotics. They are all extremely dangerous and have led the United States down a very slippery slope, including the mass murder of Muslims. And Americans on 9/11.Mr. Sunstein should probably be tried for treason along with all the other Zionists.
  • Clandestine Johnson
    Wow. The comments flowing on this board are downright scary.
  • Bradwhg
    Right and left is a smokescreen. It is really the haves and the have-nots. It is the American public in general against those who govern. Partisanship is a tool that is used to divide this country. Both of the so called sides use the same tactics and are pushing this country in the same direction. It is not about right left ideology, but total authoritarian control.
  • Femme Fatale
    The story is a sad commentary but not surprising, indeed I have long suspected that many of the posters on the larger websites are paid to do so by various government agencies. Why wouldn’t they be? We discovered during the Bush administration that the administration was illegally paying writers as much as a quarter of a million dollars for favorable editorials in newspapers and magazines. Various American governments have been infiltrating the left and other organizations since the alien and sedition acts were passed in 1798. That someone has finally decided to apply the same kinds of tactics to websites and other sources of information that they disagree with in the blogosphere is not that surprising; that this person with these ideas would wind up in government is not at all unexpected; that this story has not gotten wider distribution is also unsurprising.

    But the ensuing comments are nothing short of incredible, and in many instances indicate how irrational many of the ideas currently circulating are. However, I still think that more rather than less information is better. The problem isn’t too little information it is too little thinking about the information that is available.

    This country needs cultural change more than anything else--there is a reason why we have been lied into wars over and over again for years, and it isn't only the fault of the liars--there was plenty of information and plenty of evidence that Bush was lying. Indeed, most of the statements made by Colin Powell before the U.N. were debunked within 24 hours but still over 70 percent of the population supported the war with Iraq and over 90 percent of the population supported the war in Afghanistan. This occurred without much infiltration or editorializing at all. Groups advocating other approaches to the problems associated with the attacks, no matter who committed them, were essentially criminal acts, never had a chance with a rabid public itching for a fight.

    Orwell’s prediction was correct, we now have seemingly endless and continuous war. And as a country and a culture we seem to be, for the most part, fine with that. When Obama increased troop levels in Afghanistan there wasn't much protest at all. In fact, the most vociferous protests came from the generals who wanted much larger increases. And even now after 9 years of war there more than half the country still approves of that war and the troop increases.

    As a culture apparently over half of us just like and desire war.
  • CosimodiRondo
    Why does an irrelevant front page headline lInk to this 4 month old article?
  • zaphodity
    Whatever you say Mr. Goebbels.
  • humbaba
    Thanks for this article - I haven't checked www.projectcensored.org in a long time.
  • jessehemingway
    Obama fuck off!!!

    "The Last of the Al Qaeda Abdullah Azzam”

    Bin Laden’s mentor Abdullah Azzam frequently travels all over the world with the apparent support of the CIA. Slate will later write, “Azzam trotted the globe during the 1980s to promote the Afghan jihad against the Soviets. By the time of his death in 1989, he had recruited between 16,000 and 20,000 mujaheddin from 20 countries to Afghanistan, visited 50 American cities to advance his cause, and dispatched acolytes to spread the gospel in 26 US states, not to mention across the Middle East and Europe.” Slate calls him “the Lenin of international jihad,” noting that he “didn’t invent his movement’s ideas, but he furthered them and put them into practice around the world.” [Slate, 4/16/2002] At the time, the US is supporting the Afghans fighting the Soviets and it will later be alleged that the CIA supported Azzam as part of this effort. Barnett Rubin, a Columbia University professor and senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, will claim in 1995 that sources told him Azzam was “enlisted” by the CIA to help unite the fractious Afghan rebel groups. Rubin claims Azzam was considered a prime asset because of his “close connections to the Muslim Brotherhood, Saudi intelligence, and the Muslim World League.” But Azzam made no secret of his desire for a no compromise jihad to conquer the entire world. In 1988 in New Jersey, he says, “Blood and martyrdom are the only way to create a Muslim society” and he wants “to ignite the spark that may one day burn Western interests all over the world.” He is frequently accompanied on his US lecture tours by El-Sayyid Nosair and Clement Rodney Hampton-El, both of whom will later be convicted of al-Qaeda-linked attacks in the US. [New Yorker, 3/17/1995] CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) Executive Director Nihad Awad is a leader in the IAP (Islamic Association for Palestine) at this time. ISNA (Islamic Society of North America) affiliates, such as IAP and the MAYA (Muslim Arab Youth Association), host Azzam and arrange his visits to Islamic centers throughout the US. [New Republic, 2/27/2007]
    Entity Tags: Islamic Association for Palestine, Barnett Rubin, Abdullah Azzam, Clement Rodney Hampton-El, El Sayyid Nosair, Muslim World League, Nihad Awad, Muslim Arab Youth Association, Muslim Brotherhood, Council on American-Islamic Relations
    http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=...

    “The Death of the Last of the Al Qaeda Abdullah Azzam”

    Sheikh Abdullah Azzam. [Source: CNN]Bin Laden’s mentor Sheikh Abdullah Azzam is killed by a car bomb in Afghanistan. The killing is never solved. Azzam has no shortage of enemies. Suspects include the Mossad, CIA, Afghan warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, the ISI, and bin Laden. The reason bin Laden is suspected is because he and Azzam were increasingly at odds over what approach to take since the Soviet Union had been driven from Afghanistan earlier in the year (see February 15, 1989). [Slate, 4/16/2002; Coll, 2004, pp. 204] In 1998, Mohammed Saddiq Odeh will be arrested and later convicted for a role in the 1998 African embassy bombings. He reportedly will tell US interrogators that bin Laden “personally ordered the killing of Azzam because he suspected his former mentor had ties with the CIA.” However, it is not known if Odeh was just passing on a rumor. [Gunaratna, 2003, pp. 32] Regardless, in the wake of Azzam’s death, bin Laden takes control of Azzam’s recruiting and support network, Maktab al-Khidamat (MAK)/Al-Kifah, and merges it with al-Qaeda, which was formed the year before (see August 11-20, 1988).

    http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=...
  • congratulations!
  • kwertie
    The reason we have so many conspiracy theorists is obvious: The government, Obama included, does not tell us the truth, and does not prosecute the real wrongdoers.

    Most of the conspiracy nuts are just nuts. But when official lies and coverups rule the day, what the hell else do you expect to happen?
  • Lyman
    Seek the truth and the truth will get you sued.
    ....or worse.
  • S in PA
    Seems to me this Sunstein fella is trying to hide something, and wants to make sure the people who might stumble upon such info will be completely silenced.
  • michaelvalentine
    Like the Pentagon domestic propaganda program this is another disinformation operation. Only this one is run by Ivy League elite.
  • michaelvalentine
    Tower seven was demolished. No airliner hit it and it burned for less then 24 hours.

    Don't know who and I don't know why but I believe my eyes when I see the video.
  • MrComments
    Really? Why not watch ALL the video. There is a tremendous amount of footage, interviews, etc. on here, but people will look at a 10 second clip and think they know. This building had a huge amount of damage, and it was being discussed by fireman on video and audio tape that it was going to collapse soon. IT IS ON TAPE.
    http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
  • michaelvalentine
    I have watched it all. Fires in steel framed buildings have burned for weeks and not collapsed. Tower seven was brought down on propose and fell in a manner constant with demolition,

    BTW is that cherry kool aid?
  • NadePaulKuciGravMcKi
    the mountain of 9/11 evidence is overwhelming
    the cover-up liars are now all on record
    corrupt government corrupt media
    leaks & whistle blowers multiply
    by deception ye shall wage war
    extortion blackmail bribery
    israel-first dual-nationals
    mass murder criminals
    dancing mossad ~

    connect the dots
    stealth neocons
    judeo fascist
    AIPAC
  • Believe in only what you are told, good drones are rewarded. Bad drones are thrown into a hole with no right to a trail by his or her's piers.
  • Terrible
    Of course under the filthy Nazi teabagger Bush they didn't talk about it they just did it.
  • Terrible
    He wants the US to be just like Israel.
  • SpreadTheWord
    Sunstein, and many of his cohorts at Harvard and other Ivy League institutions, and thought leaders of the Israel theocracy, do suffer from sociopathic mental disorders: They believe they are the chosen ones and therefore have the right to dominate and control for their own selfish advantage. Part of their mental disorder is that they believe they know what is better for everyone else, which of course is whatever benefits them and maintains their privilege.
  • SamFox
    Spread, you just described the regressive 'progressive' movement.

    Go to YouTube & check out what George B Shaw has to say about if you are not producing enough your life is of little value to us or yourself. Also what he says about the kind of gas they should use on the Jews. GB Shaw was a progressive. He was one scary, creepy make your skin crawl dude!

    So was Margret Sanger, founder of the eugenics foot in the door organization known as Planned Parenthood. OK already! She was a dudett. :-)

    The 'progressive' thing is deadly, devil evil bad. They are sociopathic egomaniacs to the MAX!! O represents them well as he seeks to implement their agenda of total govt control nanny stateism on the USA.

    SamFox
  • hurly burly
    You seem obsessed with redefining the word, progressive and then attacking your strawman which is based on many faulty assumptions.
    If you seriously think progressives have any power in this country, that they have any representation in the Democratic party................you are beyond help.

    Still, you seem very dedicated. Kind of like a man trying to break down a brick wall with his forehead. Keep going, good luck.
  • Truth
    A white devil trying to enslave humanity!!!
  • You don't make such a big deal from conspiracy theories. Unless...
  • Well good thing he's being summoned to Court for his Citizenship in question:

    http://healtheamerica.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/...

    Great post.
  • lakeshore
    "but from a 'crippled epistemology,' in the form of a sharply limited number of (relevant) informational sources."

    Yeah, tell us the truth about 9/11 and we won't be short of relevant information.
  • MrComments
    The only concrete in that building was the slabs. They were 4" thick, no re-bar, mesh only. Those slabs would have easily been pulverized in a pancake collapse. The Towers were completely different than Windsor Tower (what it is compared to by conspiracy theorists). Windsor was a concrete superstructure. In essence, all beams and columns were encased in reinforced (re-bar, etc.) concrete. The compressive strength of those beams and columns made it impossible to collapse from fire. The Towers were completely different, and as tube framed buildings were VERY suceptible to "pancake" collapse. Also, the dust at the top of the collapsed pile would not have been the concrete. It would have mostly been acoustical ceiling tile and sheetrock dust, which fell slowly since they are so light. Anyone who has worked with these products knows they powderdize easily. And just the fact that Mr. Jones found "red chips" as "unusual" shows how clueless he is about construction. Beams, Columns, Lintels, etc. are all painted red (protective primer) before they are sent to the jobsite. So the dust was VERY consistent with both the type of construction AND the materials present.
    And this analysis totally blows the analysis you cite out of the water. It is severely flawed.
    http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2009/05/re...
  • michaelvalentine
    And that is why over 800 members of the American Architects Institute are demanding a new investigation.

    Oh I'm sorry that's wrong. They want a new investigation because they design buildings and work with facts. You know like airliners hitting the World Trade Center because its in a high airliner traffic area.
  • MrComments
    That's about the same percentage of "professionals" on websites that say Obama was born in Kenya. You discuss ZERO facts. You should do some research instead of listening to nut jobs. There is a huge amount of evidence on this site that blow away ANY conspiracy site I have seen. All the conspiracy sites have hidden info that ruins their story. Anyone on here who disagrees with me cites zero facts, and instead calls me names. All I ask is that you do the research on ALL sites, not just conspiracy sites.
    http://www.debunking911.com/index.html
  • michaelvalentine
    Facts are that buildings don't fall into their own footprint by accident.

    But toe that Bush line.
  • Jerm
    Mr. Comments, are you demonstrating what this article is about? Infiltrating by use of propaganda on the Internet as sited in this article? Do you know what a peer-reviewed article is?
  • MrComments
    So let me see if I have this correct. I work for the government .....so the main site I have been steering people to says.......that the government knew the attacks were coming (and may have looked the other way), and clearly states that the government subsequently misused the attacks with a depraved propaganda program of epic proportions to get us into a bogus trillion dollar war? Yeah, I follow that logic.......

    Now instead of spewing nonsense and citing zero facts, tell me specifically what part of this entire site (there are HOURS of incredible evidence on here) you have issues with.
    http://www.debunking911.com/index.html

    If you reply with "you are an a-hole" or "that site is bogus", don't expect a reply.

    Oh, I know what peer-reviewed means. Now, are you aware of the term "peer-review-failure", and that this is a frequent occurrence. There are FAR MORE peer -reviewed papers saying the complete opposite of what you say.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review_failure

    Now Orly Taitz, Jerome Corsci and that whole "Birther" gang are all "respected professionals" in their fields. It is noted that EVERY field of employment has a small percentage of incompetent people (your C student types) The "professionals" that are buying the "controlled demo" theory fit into that category, just like the Birther Crowd are also "out to lunch".
  • michaelvalentine
    Three buildings fell from two airliner. What a crock of poop and if you believe it your a fool.
  • Concerned Global Citizen
    Perhaps instead of refuting these claims they could stop the super highway of bullshit flowing out of washington. Instead try being honest with the public.
  • Barbara
    Oh Gawd, the number of psychos posting on this once fine website is unbelievable. The GOP and the conservative movement has been infiltrating Democratic, liberal and left-wing websites FOR YEARS. The RNC even pays people by the email. In fact, I'm sure that the right-wing posters here are being paid quite well. What Sunstein has suggested is that liberals should fight back by posting on right wing websites. It is a sick, disgusting world when Time Magazine has Glenn Beck on their cover.


    I hope Obama nominates Cass Sunstein, a prominent legal intellectual, to the Supreme Court, so that I have the pleasure of watching Beck's head self-explode and his paltry brains smeared over Fox's TV camera lens.
  • rosswolf
    Too many responses concerning this article are stuck on the Trade Center damage and miss the big picture; that a Czar in the Obama administration made proposals to shut up Citizens; curtail our freedom of Speech, by supporting infiltrating and spying on Americans, their groups and organizations to obstruct Free Speech, disrupt the exchange of ideas and disseminate false information to neutralize Americans that might question government. It might be smarter to set aside questions regarding the Trade Center and focus on why this government wants to shut you up. For example, Sen. McCain March 4, 2010 introduced The Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010 that would eliminate several Constitutional protections allowing Government to arbitrarily pick up Americans on mere suspicion—with no probable cause. Your political opinions and statements made against U.S. Government could be used by Authorities to deem you a Hostile Enemy Belligerent to cause your arrest and indefinite detention. S.3081 is so broadly written innocent anti-war protesters and Tea Party Groups might be arrested and detained just for attending demonstrations. Government can charge that attending demonstrations Materially Supported Hostilities.

    Under S.3081, an Individual need only be Suspected by Government of Suspicious Activity or Supporting Hostilities to be dragged off and held indefinitely in Military Custody. Government will have the power to detain and interrogate any individual without probable cause. Government need only allege an individual kept in detention, is an Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent suspected of; having engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners; or has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States, its coalition partners or a civilian population. How could one prove to Government they did not purposely do something? “Materially Supporting Hostilities against the United States could include any person or group that spoke out or demonstrated disapproval against an agency of U.S. Government. It is foreseeable many Americans might go underground to Resist Government Tyranny. Definition for Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent: Anyone Subject to a Military Commission.

    At least under the Patriot Act, law enforcement generally needed probable cause to detain a person indefinitely. Passage of S.3081 will permit government to use Mere suspicion to curtail an your Constitutional Protections against unlawful arrest, detention and interrogation without benefit of legal counsel and trial. According to S.3081 Government is not required to provide detained individuals U.S. Miranda Warnings or even an attorney.

    S.3081 if passed will frighten Americans from speaking out. S.3081 is so broadly written, it appears any “individual” who writes on the Internet or verbally express an opinion against or an entity of U.S. Government or its coalition partners might be detained on the basis he or she is an Unprivileged Enemy belligerent, Supporting Hostilities against U.S. Government. Make Your Own Determination If The Analysis Herein Is Correct) See McCain’s 12-page Senate bill S.3081 at:
    assets.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/politics/ARM10090.pdf
  • undrgrndgirl
    nothing new here...the government infiltrated and "overthrew" (by way of creating internal conflict) the civil rights and feminist movements of the 1960s-70s...this guy should lose his ph.d due to plagiarism...
  • Will
    I shall now invalidate the whole concept with one sentence:
    Its almost like they have something to hide.

    So long Sunstein. EPIC FAIL
  • pete
    According to the title of his article "Conspiracy Theories: Causes and Cures," the official 9/11 story should be cured. Because the official story is a conspiracy as well. Also, an army conspires against other people/countries/terrorists etc...
    The word "conspiracy" is used like "abracadabra". Its insinuated to mean one specific thing and it 'spells' it out for you like a witch or magician casting a spell.
  • pete
    I guess none of this matters:

    Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
  • rosswolf
    In 2007 perhaps coincidence: "The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act", was introduced by Rep. Jane Harman. The bill appeared to mirror a number of Czar Cass Sunstein’s subsequent spying proposals on lawful Citizens and interrupting groups without evidence of wrongdoing. Harman’s bill called for investigating and tracking Americans and groups that might be prone to supporting or committing violent acts of domestic terrorism. Harman’s bill had the potential of driving lawful political and other activists underground. Perhaps creating the domestic terrorists Bush II said Americans needed to be protected from. Rep. Harman's "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act" when closely examined, defined "homegrown terrorism" as "any planned act" that might use force to coerce U.S. Government or its people to promote or accomplish a "political or social objective." No actual force need occur. Government would only need to allege an individual or group thought about it. Rep. Harman’s bill was often called the “Thought Crimes Bill.” The bill failed to pass after Americans became angry upon leaning about it. It is believed but not confirmed a Rand Corporation study provided input to the development of Rep. Jane Harman’s " Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act.
  • How can our poor country survive with thugs like Cass Sunstein running things? I've just about given up. Democrats and Republicans, they're all a bunch of creeps under the thumbs of the Zionists and criminal rich. Our founding fathers are turning over in their graves.
  • yogini4
    I don't think a lawyer is qualified to comment on human behavior, no matter how bright he may be.

    As for cognitive infiltrations, what's new about that? Where's he been? CIA's been doing that for years.
  • amerikagulag
    Another Israel-firster trying to cover up the truth? Predictable as the sunrise.
  • Chuck
    If you are sued for your 911 facts, Vector Equations and Mathetical Proofs, especially on the Impossible Collapses of th WTC Twin Towers and you are allowed to present your case to a jury which includes Physicists and Engineers, then you can prove your case in court, something that the US Government has avoided like the plague.
    I welcome these law suits, which should all me and other to prove our scientific proofs to the entire world, not just the "kept underground" media.
    The Government supported Mass Media should be trembling in their thongs at publishing our "inside job" proofs, directly implicating the Mossaud of Israel and the Dual Citizen Zionists who run this USA Government.
    Bring it on, Obama-Boy, the ignorant, uneducated fool that you are concerning the reality world...
    Below is the John Skilling Anti-Crush-Down Equation applied to 3 scenarios.

    Collapse-Load(110) = 20 x Live-Load(110)
    Collapse-Load(94) = 20 x Live-Load(94)
    Collapse-Load(78) = 20 x Live-Load(78)

    It took the equivalent Energy of at least 0.5 Little Boy Atomic Bombs and Thermate/Thermite to explosively demolish the Twin Towers, using Balanced Vector Forces to allow the Twin Towers to fall into its own foorprint.

    All NIST and supporting University and other scientific groupies who have written papers for the USA Government have been thoroughly debunked as phoney science, hit-man pieces.
    The greatest problem is that the American people do not understand Physics, Chemistry, Engineering, and Mathematics and will accept as truth anything that the Government and its controlled mass media put out on TV, Radio, Books, Magazines, Newspapers, Documentaries.
    The people you love to watch and listen to on TV and Radio are totally not supporting the Truthers and are paid off to continue to keep the 911 truths away from the American people.
    The great, great majority of Americans do not yet even know about the discovery of the Thermite found in the WTC TT dust sample sent to Dr. Steven Jones and Dr. Neils Harritt.
    They just simply are applying the tactic of "Just do not let this news get out to the majority of people who only watch CNN, CBS, FOX, ABC, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reily, Glenn Beck, Heraldo Rivera, and many more Zionist controlled and paid media hacks.

    Amen
  • Gordon
    Cass Sunstein needs to have a complete investigation on his background. Where does Obama get these guys???? Directly out of the cess pool???
  • JBW
    The true colors of a fascist or a communist....appalling line of political "thinking"...P.S. well, I think that *Americans* who piecemeal the Bill of Rights and want to curtail our Constitutional freedoms should be DEPORTED. Whaddaya think about THAT, Sun-Commie???!?
  • philip
    why not just answer the legitimate questions that pepole have and get to the truth? why infiltrate and destroy instead of answering the questions that citizens have. after all these elected officials work for us and therefore should answer to us! damn arrogant scum!
  • I almost forgot. When CIT does the light pole demonstration, they actually prove by the distance between poles 1 and 2 that ONLY a 757 wingspan could have hit both poles. So they actually confirmed.....that they were wrong. Let me guess. Sarah Palin was the producer?
  • yaridanjo
    Some hyperlinks I collected:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-hYorNi0nA&feat...
    BBC now admits al qaeda never existed
    http://www.rense.com/general87/d3.htm
    Italy Ex-President - CIA And Mossad Ran 9-11
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
    A leading Japanese politician espouses a 9/11 fantasy
    http://rawstory.com/2010/01/ron-paul-cia/
    Ron Paul: After ‘CIA coup, 'agency' ‘runs military?'
    http://www.rense.com/general74/heard.htm
    Jewish American (Former IDF) Overhears Secret Meeting In Cemetery - In Hebrew
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/north...
    Detroit terror attack: CIA had report on suspect five weeks before bomb
    http://careandwashingofthebrain.blogspot.com/20...
    "Israel--NOT Muslims-- DID 9/11"
    http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/israel...
    Israel did 9/11, ALL THE PROOF IN THE WORLD!!
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=110130&sec...
    Occupiers involved in drug trade: Afghan minister
    Meanwhile, The New York Times reported on Wednesday that Ahmad Wali Karzai, a brother of the Afghan president, is involved in the opium trade, meets with Taliban leaders, and is also a CIA operative.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/world/asia/28...
    Brother of Afghan Leader Said to Be Paid by C.I.A.
    http://www.madcowprod.com/12012009.htm
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62R0QH201...
    Russia says U.S. should eradicate Afghan opium
    http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/southasi...
    NATO rejects Russia's demand to destroy Afghan poppy fields
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/23/world/europe/...
    Russia, Plagued by Heroin Use, to Press U.S. on Destroying Afghan Poppy Crops
    http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=11086
    Secret Heartbeat of America - The CIA and Drugs
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin
    Heroin Trafficking -The following year the Taliban banned poppy cultivation, a move which cut production by 94 percent.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=135lrGciC0E
    Reply - Israel. Israel needs? the opium for making Ectasy.
    http://www.wtsp.com/news/watercooler/story.aspx...
    Obama Ecstasy pills hit the streets
    http://www.dollarsandsense.org/blog/2009/12/who...
    Drug money saved banks in global crisis, claims UN advisor
    http://www.bushstole04.com/911/9-11_videos_embe...
    Obama Warns Not To Challenge Official 9/11 Story
    http://rawstory.com/2010/03/ventura-youre-allow...
    Ventura: ‘You’re not allowed to ask’ about 9/11
  • George
    Sunstein is a scum bag. I don't know if you know it, but Sunstein is gay. I heard he likes it up the ass.
  • This man should be arrested for obstruction of justice immediately. To give aid and comfort to the enemy, even domestic enemies, is an act of treason.
  • Ben
    "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001


    "Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattlce at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." - Menachem Begin, Israeli Prime Minister to New Statesman magazine on June 25, 1982
  • Viking
    Yet another Jewish nutter from America who has never held a proper job in his life. And we are supposed to take his crap seriously? Sunstein is suffering from a psychosis because he lives in an arrogant New-York-City-esque bubble.
  • rosswolf
    Sen. Mc Cain's Recent Introduced S. 3081 Worse Than ‘cognitive infiltration’ of Conspiracy 911 Groups, S.308. If Passed Would Allow Government: to arbitrarily pick up Americans on mere suspicion—with no probable cause.

    Are You Scheduled For Government Interrogation If McCain’s bill 3081 Is Passed?

    On March 4, 2010, Sen. John McCain introduced S.3081, The “Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010.”

    Sen. McCain’s S.3081 would eliminate several Constitutional protections allowing Government to arbitrarily pick up Americans on mere suspicion—with no probable cause. Your political opinions and statements made against U.S. Government could be used by Authorities to deem you a “hostile” “Enemy Belligerent” to cause your arrest and indefinite detention. S.3081 is so broadly written innocent anti-war protesters and Tea Party Groups might be arrested and detained just for attending demonstrations.

    Considering how often Sarah Palin defends Free Speech, one can’t help wonder why Palin is helping McCain’s reelection to the U.S. Senate after he introduced possibly the most anti-Free Speech Bill in Modern U.S. History. Perhaps Palin or her Tea Party supporters haven’t considered McCain’s legislation might be used by a corrupt government administration to crush them. Tea Parties might question Palin whether she supports Sen. McCain’s bill the “Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010.” (S.3081)

    Under S.3081, an “individual” need only be Suspected by Government of “suspicious activity” or “supporting hostilities” to be dragged off and held indefinitely in Military Custody. Government will have the power to detain and interrogate any individual without probable cause. Government need only allege an individual kept in detention, is an Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent suspected of; having engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners; or has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners. How could one prove to Government they did not purposely do something? “Materially Supporting Hostilities” against the United States could include any person or group that spoke out or demonstrated disapproval against an agency of U.S. Government. It is foreseeable many Americans might go underground to Resist Government Tyranny. Definition for Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent: (Anyone Subject to a Military Commission)

    At least under the Patriot Act, law enforcement generally needed probable cause to detain a person indefinitely. Passage of S.3081 will permit government to use “mere suspicion” to curtail an individual’s Constitutional Protections against unlawful arrest, detention and interrogation without benefit of legal counsel and trial. According to S.3081 Government is not required to provide detained individuals U.S. Miranda Warnings or even an attorney.

    S.3081 if passed will frighten Americans from speaking out. S.3081 is so broadly written, it appears any “individual” who writes on the Internet or verbally express an opinion against or an entity of U.S. Government or its coalition partners might be detained on the basis he or she is an “unprivileged enemy belligerent”, “supporting hostilities against U.S. Government.”

    How might Americans respond should Government use this bill to take away their loved ones, family members and friends on mere suspicion? It is foreseeable McCain’s bill will drive lawful political activists underground, perhaps creating the domestic terrorists McCain said we needed to be protected from.

    McCain’s bill mentions “non-violent acts" supporting terrorism in the U.S. and or emanating from America against a Coalition Partner. Non-violent terrorist acts" are covered in the Patriot Act to prosecute Persons that support “coercion to influence a government or intimidation to affect a civilian population.” However, U.S. activists and individuals under S.3081 would be much more vulnerable to prosecution, if (charged with suspicion) of “intentionally providing support to an Act of Terrorism”, for example American activists can’t control what other activists might do illegally—they network with domestically and overseas. Under the Patriot Act, law enforcement generally needs probable cause to detain or prosecute someone. But under S.3081, law enforcement and the military can too easily use (hearsay or informants) to allege “suspicious activity” to detain an individual. It is problematic under S.3081 that detained individuals in the U.S. not involved in terrorism or hostile activities, not given Miranda Warnings or allowed legal counsel will be prosecuted for ordinary crimes because of their alleged admissions while in military custody.

    Notably, McCain’s S.3081 mandates (merging) Federal, State and Local Police and subsequently the U.S. Military to detain and hold Individuals in the U.S., even without probable cause.

    Historically it is foreseeable under S.3081 that "erroneous informant information" could be used to detain innocent Individuals. Other countries have used lying informants to imprison; even execute political opposition.

    Under S.3081 government may use an individual’s phone call and email information to allege without probable cause “suspicious or hostile activity against a U.S. civilian population or the United States to detain Americans.”

    (Make Your Own Determination If The Analysis Herein Is Correct) See McCain Senate bill S.3081 at:
    assets.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/politics/ARM10090.pdf

    FYI: below is enclosed a copy of “Hitler’s Discriminatory Decrees signed February 28, 1933.” Although the Nazi Decrees are written differently than S.3081, the McCain bill could bring America to the same place crushing free speech and personal liberty. Note how the Nazi Government in Section (1) and (4), similar to U.S. S.3081, suspend personal liberty— shutdown Free Speech to intimidate Citizens speaking out against Government:

    See Section 1
    “Sections 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. Thus, restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press, on the right of assembly and the right of association, and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic, and telephonic communications, and warrants for house-searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”

    Similar to McCain’s S. 3081, but using different wording the Nazi Government in Section (4) see below, suspended Constitutional rights, ordered the arrest of Citizens for any ACT that might incite or provoke disobedience against state authorities. McCain’s S.3081 instead mentions detaining and prosecuting Individuals for “supporting hostilities” against U.S. Government. S.3081 is so broadly written any person or group attending a protest could be arrested without provable cause and detained if government charged a protest-supported hostilities.

    See Section 4
    Whoever provokes, or appeals for or incites to the disobedience of the orders given out by the supreme state authorities or the authorities subject to then for the execution of this decree, or the orders given by the Reich Government according to Section 2, is punishable—insofar as the deed, is not covered by the decree with more severe punishment and with imprisonment of not less that one month, or with a fine from 150 up to 15,000 Reichsmarks.

    DECREE OF THE REICH PRESIDENT FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE PEOPLE AND STATE

    Note: Based on translations by State Department, National Socialism, 1942 PP. 215-17, and Pollak, J.K., and Heneman, H.J., The Hitler Decrees, (1934), pp. 10-11.7

    In virtue of Section 48 (2) of the German Constitution, the following is decreed as a defensive measure against Communist acts of Violence, endangering the state:

    Section 1
    Sections 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. Thus, restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press, on the right of assembly and the right of association, and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic, and telephonic communications, and warrants for house-searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.

    Section 2
    If in a state the measures necessary for the restoration of public security and order are not taken, the Reich Government may temporarily take over the powers of the highest state authority.

    Section 4
    Whoever provokes, or appeals for or incites to the disobedience of the orders given out by the supreme state authorities or the authorities subject to then for the execution of this decree, or the orders given by the Reich Government according to Section 2, is punishable—insofar as the deed, is not covered by the decree with more severe punishment and with imprisonment of not less that one month, or with a fine from 150 up to 15,000 Reichsmarks.

    Who ever endangers human life by violating Section 1, is to be punished by sentence to a penitentiary, under mitigating circumstances with imprisonment of not less than six months and, when violation causes the death of a person, with death, under mitigating circumstances with a penitentiary sentence of not less that two years. In addition the sentence my include confiscation of property.

    Whoever provokes an inciter to or act contrary to public welfare is to be punished with a penitentiary sentence, under mitigating circumstances, with imprisonment of not less than three months.

    Section 5
    The crimes which under the Criminal Code are punishable with penitentiary for life are to be punished with death: i.e., in Sections 81 (high treason), 229 (poisoning), 306 (arson), 311 (explosion), 312 (floods), 315, paragraph 2 (damage to railroad properties, 324 (general poisoning).

    Insofar as a more severe punishment has not been previously provided for, the following are punishable with death or with life imprisonment or with imprisonment not to exceed 15 years:

    1. Anyone who undertakes to kill the Reich President or a member or a commissioner of the Reich Government or of a state government, or provokes to such a killing, or agrees to commit it, or accepts such an offer, or conspires with another for such a murder;

    2. Anyone who under Section 115 (2) of the Criminal Code (serious rioting) or of Section 125 (2) of the Criminal Code (serious disturbance of the peace) commits the act with arms or cooperates consciously and intentionally with an armed person;

    3. Anyone who commits a kidnapping under Section 239 of the Criminal with the intention of making use of the kidnapped person as a hostage in the political struggle.

    Section 6
    This decree enters in force on the day of its promulgation.

    Reich President
    Reich Chancellor
    Reich Minister of the Interior
  • SamFox
    If you live in Arizona, VOTE FOR JD HAYWORTH!! My dog could have beaten McLame in the Prez election.

    We need McAmnisty in DC like a submarine needs screen doors.

    SamFox
  • You did not have to melt the steel moron. NOT EVEN CLOSE. You are a complete imbecile. As I had shown before, a steel supported overpass collapsed in Oakland a couple of years ago when a fuel truck caught fire under it. The steel did not MELT, it was weakened. That was an OUTDOOR fire that weakened the steel to the point of collapse. And an overpass beam is massive. Here we are talking a plane full of jet fuel. Some of your comments lead me to believe you are in 3rd grade.
  • rosswolf
    Since Top Obama Czar Cass Sunstein Proposed Infiltrating all 'Conspiracy Theorists, something much more Threatening has transpired:

    On March 4, 2010, Sen. John McCain introduced S.3081, The “Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010.”

    McCain’s bill would eliminate several Constitutional protections allowing Government to arbitrarily pick up Americans on mere suspicion—with no probable cause. Your political opinions and statements made against U.S. Government could be used by Authorities to deem you a “hostile” “Enemy Belligerent” to cause your arrest and indefinite detention.

    Under S.3081, an “individual” need only be Suspected by Government of “suspicious activity” or “supporting hostilities” to be dragged off and held indefinitely in Military Custody. Government will have the power to detain and interrogate any individual without probable cause. Government need only allege an individual kept in detention, is an Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent suspected of; having engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners; or has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners. How could one prove to Government they did not purposely do something? “Materially Supporting Hostilities” against the United States could include any person or group that spoke out or demonstrated disapproval against an agency of U.S. Government. It is foreseeable many Americans might go underground to Resist Government Tyranny. Definition for Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent: (Anyone Subject to a Military Commission)

    At least under the Patriot Act, law enforcement generally needed probable cause to detain a person indefinitely. Passage of S.3081 will permit government to use “mere suspicion” to curtail an individual’s Constitutional Protections against unlawful arrest, detention and interrogation without benefit of legal counsel and trial. According to S.3081 Government is not required to provide detained individuals U.S. Miranda Warnings or even an attorney.

    S.3081 if passed will frighten Americans from speaking out. S.3081 is so broadly written, it appears any “individual” who writes on the Internet or verbally express an opinion against or an entity of U.S. Government or its coalition partners might be detained on the basis he or she is an “unprivileged enemy belligerent”, “supporting hostilities against U.S. Government.”

    How might Americans respond should Government use this bill to take away their loved ones, family members and friends on mere suspicion? It is foreseeable McCain’s bill will drive lawful political activists underground, perhaps creating the domestic terrorists McCain said we needed to be protected from.

    McCain’s bill mentions “non-violent acts" supporting terrorism in the U.S. and or emanating from America against a Coalition Partner. Non-violent terrorist acts" are covered in the Patriot Act to prosecute Persons that support “coercion to influence a government or intimidation to affect a civilian population.” However, U.S. activists and individuals under S.3081 would be much more vulnerable to prosecution, if (charged with suspicion) of “intentionally providing support to an Act of Terrorism”, for example American activists cannot control what other activists might do illegally—they network with domestically and overseas. Under the Patriot Act, law enforcement generally needs probable cause to detain or prosecute someone. But under S.3081, law enforcement and the military can too easily use (hearsay or informants) to allege “suspicious activity” to detain an individual. It is problematic under S.3081 that detained individuals in the U.S. not involved in terrorism or hostile activities, not given Miranda Warnings or allowed legal counsel will be prosecuted for ordinary crimes because of their alleged admissions while in military custody.

    Historically it is foreseeable under S.3081 that "erroneous informant information" will be used to detain innocent Individuals. Other countries have used lying informants to imprison; even execute political opposition.

    Notably, McCain’s S.3081 mandates (merging) Federal, State and Local Police and subsequently the U.S. Military to detain and hold Individuals in the U.S., even without probable cause.

    See McCain Senate bill S.3081 at:

    assets.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/politics/ARM10090.pdf
  • robertdesmaraissullivan
    The Obama administration apparently fears we may believe a conspiracy theory different from the one its people believes.
  • robertdesmaraissullivan
    Clearly the Obama administration fears that we will lend credence to conspiracy theories other than the one it supports.
  • rosswolf
    To Paulcarey:
    That is true, it is hard to infiltrate a group of one. The prospect of being Infiltrated is consistent with the number and kinds of people you give access. Agent provocateurs, snitches and other lowlifes can have great difficulty getting to Lone Wolfs, left to speculate what the wolves are up to. That is why Government keeps expressing concern about Lone Wolfs.
  • paulcarey
    It is hard to infiltrate a group of one.
  • rosswolf
    It is nice to see that Shelton Lankford addressed "intelligent" reasons to be concerned that CZAR Cass Sunstein's proposal threatens Citizens' right to dissent and free assocation by: infiltrating and spying on Americans, their groups and organizations to obstruct Free Speech, disrupt the exchange of ideas and disseminate false information to neutralize Americans that might question government.

    Prior, I got very tired of reading why WTC buildings came down. Protecting our future Right to Free Speech and Association is more important. If people are afraid to speak up, question government, our society will be more damaged than the WTC buildings after government gets done with us.
  • More injurious to civil society, I would argue, are criminal conspiracies that are carried out, then used to justify other actions, including undermining of our civil liberties and foreign wars that kill thousands or millions of people. Mr. Sunstein does not consider that most of the conspiracy theories that have staying power are found to be true. Tonkin Gulf comes to mind, and even though the House select committee on assassinations found that JFK was the victim of a conspiracy, the absurd lone gunman/Lee Harvey Oswald/magic bullet/ version is the "official" story.
  • Philip Mark Edwards
    You mean they're going to do so 'anonymously'? What a shame. There are few so-called conspiracy groups that restrict membership or posting. They should at least have the decency to stand up for what they 'believe' to be true. If they infiltrate 'our' groups ... can we infiltrate 'theirs'?
  • emilynixonesque-govtrobot
    Welocme to Nazi America. No freedom of speech, no freedom to think. Wow:(
  • TheSanshin
    There are several reasons why 9/11 would be an inside job.

    First off, the buildings, which were struck around the top our middle, collapsed in and on themselves in a controlled manner. No long steel structure from the ruins could be retrieved. The remains of offices, windows, bricks, and even human bodies were converted to dust. Most have argued that the buildings collapsed because of explosives. According to the buildings' architecture, the buildings' steel frames should have withstanded the plane impacts.

    Second, there is also a reason the U.S. Government would controll such an attack. As in the past with the U.S.S Maine, where an American battleship suddenly implodes due to an internal incident and the Spanish were blamed in order to spur the people into supporting the oncoming war, 9/11 could have been a way for the U.S. Goverment to give a reason for the Americans to support the War in Iraq. With this support, oil and other natural rescources could be easier and cheaper to obtain from Iraq.

    If that isn't enough, remember that the pieces to pick up after 9/11 were so small they were considered dust. Even the black boxes from the planes have been found intact, but now they have disappeared. To where? Where the Government doesn't want you to know.

    @Sabretruthtiger- Thanks for getting the details on this. All the more evidence that the 9/11 conspiracy is true.
  • Ross Wolf
    Psychosis In OBAMA U.S. Government?

    Top Obama Czar Proposed Infiltrating all 'Conspiracy Theorists'
    From a recent news report, it appears Obama CZAR Cass Sunstein, supports infiltrating and spying on Americans, their groups and organizations to obstruct Free Speech, disrupt the exchange of ideas and disseminate false information to neutralize Americans that might question government. See: http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=121884

    Obama’s CZAR’s proposal mirrors in several respects, Rep. Jane Harman's "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act" HR 1955, introduced in 2007 that stressed disrupting political and other groups without evidence of wrongdoing. Interestingly Obama refused to take a position on this bill.

    Democrat Rep. Harman's "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act" was not written exactly like the Nazi 1933 Discriminatory Decrees that suspended the Reich Constitution, but could bring America to the same place by trashing America’s civil liberties. The "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act" when closely examined, defined "homegrown terrorism" as "any planned act" that might use force to coerce the U.S. Government or its people to promote or accomplish a "political or social objective." No actual force need occur. Government need only charge that an individual or group “Thought” about it. This bill was passed by the House but later died in a Senate Committee after Americans became angry upon learning about it.

    Subject to potential abuse, U.S. Government has laid the groundwork for the covert infiltration of Americans. Since 9/11 federal government has established across the nation a large number of Fusion Centers. Fusion Centers were originally established to improve the sharing of anti-terrorism intelligence among different state, local and federal law enforcement agencies. But has since expanded with encouragement of federal government to pursue all crimes and hazards. Fusion Centers now pursue for analysis not just criminal and terrorist information, but any information that can be derived from police, public records and private sector data about Americans. Fusion Centers increasingly are involving components of the U.S. Military in addition to other government entities to spy on Citizens. The centers heavily rely on local informants for information that is shared with Local, State, and Federal police agencies. Recently the Department of Homeland Security began sharing more classified Military information with local Fusion Centers; perhaps a mistake, historically local police have not kept secrets.

    Because Fusion Centers operate secretly and some more independently than others, it is not possible to clarify their full purpose. However it is clear Fusion Centers circumvent Fourth Amendment Constitutional protections that prohibit illegal search and seizure, by taking advantage of ambiguous lines of authority to manipulate differences in federal, state and local laws to maximize information collection.

    Increasingly (private security companies and their operatives) work so closely with local/federal law enforcement and Fusion Centers—providing and exchanging information about Americans, they appear to merge with police. That is what happened in Germany during the 1930’s when a private-Gestapo merged its operations with German State Police, later put under the "Reich Main Security Office” the equivalent of U.S. Homeland Security. Fusion Centers exchange information with select U.S. private sector companies; that has enabled Fusion Centers to escape accountability and public oversight.

    While the press on occasion has discussed Fusion Centers invading the privacy of U.S. Citizens, media missed Fusion Centers’ involvement in criminal and civil asset forfeitures. It was problematic law enforcement and private government contractors would gain wider access to Fusion Center data to secure evidence to arrest Americans and or civilly forfeit their homes, inheritances and businesses under Title 18USC and other laws to keep part of the assets. Under U.S. federal civil forfeiture laws, a person or business need not be convicted of a crime for government to forfeit their assets. The standard of evidence for U.S. Government to civilly forfeit property is a only “A preponderance of Evidence.” There are over 200 U.S. laws and violations mentioned in the Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act of 2000 and the Patriot Act that can subject property to civil asset forfeiture.

    Just recently Pres. Obama's signed Executive Order EO 12425 that put INTERPOL above the United States Constitution. Obama’s Executive Order authorized INTERPOL to act within the United States without being subject to 4th Amendment Search and Seizure laws. It would appear INTERPOL can now tap American phones without a warrant. And that U.S. Police can use INTERPOL to circumvent the Fourth Amendment to arrest Americans and or forfeit assets simply by bringing INTERPOL into a criminal or civil investigation.
  • stevieb
    Testing
  • Stephen Timmis
    Are people so dumb as to believe it is not already the case that "Alternative" history groups are already being infiltrated
  • Evidence
    Evidence on Pentagon (MUST SEE!): http://citizeninvestigationteam.com/nsa.html
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