Grayson: Fight now or ‘kiss your country goodbye’ to Exxon, Wal-Mart

By Sahil Kapur
Friday, January 22nd, 2010 -- 9:07 am
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Inaction will create 'Congressman from Wal-Mart'

091203 alan grayson 223 Grayson: Fight now or kiss your country goodbye to Exxon, Wal MartWASHINGTON -- Responding to the Supreme Court's ruling Thursday to overturn corporate spending limits in federal elections, progressive firebrand Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL) immediately highlighted a series of moves to "avoid the terrible consequences of the decision."

"If we do nothing then I think you can kiss your country goodbye," Grayson told Raw Story in an interview just hours after the decision was announced.

"You won't have any more senators from Kansas or Oregon, you'll have senators from Cheekies and Exxon. Maybe we'll have to wear corporate logos like Nascar drivers."

Grayson said the Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission ruling -- which removes decades of campaign spending limits on corporations -- "opens the floodgates for the purchases and sale of the law."

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"It allows corporations to spend all the money they want to buy and sell elected officials through the campaign process," he said. "It allows them to reward political sellouts, and it allows them to punish elected officials who actually try to do what's right for the people."

Fearing this decision before it became official, Grayson last week filed five campaign finance bills and a sixth one on Thursday. Grayson said the bills are important to securing the people's "right to clean government."

The bills have names like the Business Should Mind Its Own Business Act and the Corporate Propaganda Sunshine Act. The first slaps a 500 percent excise tax on corporate spending on elections, and the second mandates businesses to disclose their attempts to influence elections. More details are available on the congressman's Web site.

"These bills will save us from drowning in corporate money and special interest money," Grayson said. "They should have been passed a long time ago but after the Supreme Court opened those floodgates, I think it's imperative we get these things done."

Reforming campaign finance laws has been a daunting task, as senators Russ Feingold (D-WI) and John McCain (R-AZ) have made concerted attempts and failed.

"I'm very optimistic," Grayson said. "I discussed the bills with the leadership when I filed them, which was a week ago in the case of the first five."

"The bills are short and readable, which frankly is pretty unusual these days," he said. "The longest one is four pages long and there are six of them."

Grayson has created the Web site SaveDemocracy.net to gather petitions in support of his bills. On Friday at 8:30 AM EST there were nearly 40,000 signatories.

'Worst Supreme Court decision since the Dred Scott case'

bigmoney Grayson: Fight now or kiss your country goodbye to Exxon, Wal MartThe first-term congressman from Florida had an ominous view of the consequences of embracing the decision.

"Anytime Exxon feels like it, Exxon can go and claim one of the 435 Congressional districts in this country, and drop $100 million in cash to pay for ads to knock off anybody they don't like. To them, that's an insignificant amount of money."

Grayson even likened the ruling to the 1857 pro-slavery Dred Scott case, arguing the two are "bad for pretty much the same reasons."

"We now today have a Supreme Court decision that essentially says only corporations have Constitutional rights," he said. "The rights of the rest of us to clean government is somehow overlooked by the Founders, according to this Supreme Court."

The decision supports "this bizarre conception that the Constitution is for the benefit of the powerful, and nobody else," he added.

Grayson's critique echoes the viewpoints of many others who believed campaign finance laws were already too permissive to special interests before Thursday's ruling.

"I think few people would say that what we really need in America is more corporate interference in the political process," he said.

Reforming campaign finance laws will be a tricky process for Congress because both Republicans and Democrats receive weighty campaign contributions from wealthy corporations.

While few Democrats have acted in recent years to change campaign finance laws, Grayson predicted his party will now be more interested in the issue.

"This just happened, that's why you're not hearing enough," he said. "You're going to hear a lot. I'm pretty confident that these bills will draw a tremendous amount of Democratic support."

Inviting his opponents to support his effort, Grayson said: "I'm hopeful that in the end there are principled Republicans who will actually join the effort, because nobody really wants to become the congressman from Wal-Mart."

GOP 'smiling' at the decision

mitchmcconnell Grayson: Fight now or kiss your country goodbye to Exxon, Wal MartNever one to pull a punch from Republicans, Grayson questioned the intentions of the ruling's backers.

"In the same way that Republicans always do their best to suppress voter turnout in elections, the Republicans are doing their best here to increase the amount of corporate cash," Grayson said. "They are, in essence, a wholly-owned subsidiary of corporate America."

GOP elders -- including party chair Michael Steele, Rep. John Boehner (R-OH) and Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) -- praised the verdict, hailing it as a defense of free speech.

"For too long, some in this country have been deprived of full participation in the political process," McConnell said. "With today’s monumental decision, the Supreme Court took an important step in the direction of restoring the First Amendment rights of these groups."

"Freedom won today in the Supreme Court," said Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN).

But Republicans were not unanimous in their support -- McCain and Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) criticized the outcome.

"McConnell is the head of the Senate Republicans, and he knows that a decision like this means a huge amounts of cash from special interests, which Republicans are more than happy to support," Grayson said.

"Everyone in the political process will have to knuckle under their corporate masters or face the consequences, and maybe Mitch McConnell is happy about that but I have to think that ordinary Americans are going to be pretty unhappy."

The decision was criticized by President Obama and Democratic senators Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and Feingold.

"I think most elected conservatives are already bought and paid for by special interests so this just makes it official."

His view of independent conservative voters who back the ruling?

"What conservatism seems to mean to them, when you get down to it, is simply offering comfort to the comfortable and afflicting the afflicted," Grayson said.

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  • Blake
    I know the Term "Fascism" evokes emotional discourse and detracts form intelligent discussions, But, I can't think of a better or more direct euphemism that would describe the attack we are under from corporations, subverting the Vote, our democracy from the People and our Government.
  • Gary Turner
    Get rid of Ken Salazar!!!!
  • bioresearchpro
    To us Europeans it was already astonishing and shocking that corporations were able to legally give money to (bribe in the European system) law makers at all. We have, for the most part, stronger freedom of speech protections in the EU than you have in the US and no one in their right mind would suggest that corporations could buy politicians and not be liable for criminal prosecution.
  • dennisemiller
    This is what happens in a republic.





    OK seems inconsequential. The ruling may be due to the massive amount of campaign money drummed up for Obama by the little people of the the U.S. I suspect this partially the reasoning behind the ruling by the Supreme Court. Another four years of a man of common upbringing, like president Obama, would return this country to peace and prosperity for all. Say, the autocracy wants their kind of guy at every possible elected office and its worth it to them to infuse a more massive amount of money than they were previously allowed. A goodly amount can go into the representatives, of The Folks who want to RULE this country. Put a spin on the adds that bring in the suckers, who don’t stop and think what the wrong candidate can do to them.


    Reduce the minimum wage

    Make it even more harder to get justice in a civil court

    Excellent health care for the club not so for those in the masses

    Total disemboweling of social services

    Continue to allow social security revenues to be rolled into general operating funds

    Federal land opened up for the profit of the club.

    Take your pick. The door is now opened for a campaign to get anything your way if only you can find the right politician who won’t mind selling his soul. Seek out the right wall street ad agency to pitch it to the suckers who don’t want to pay taxes, the government off their backs etc. etc.

    Far Fetched?


    You have to be older than me to remember company towns. Company stores. Company housing. Mr Potter. I am old enough to remember before Roe vs Wade. I suspect that is the next.
  • drunkfoulmouthfilthybeast
    There is such a thing as impeachment proceedure for the likes of John Roberts and that other Fascist that Buthead Bush had installed and Scallia making some of the most mentally ill decisions that only the Adolf Hitlers of the world could love. I am sure their mothers have already replied to anyone asking them if they were related and I'm sure they have said, " No he isn't my son." My son is much taller and is NOT mentally disturbed like those taking orders from these right wing criminals that are continually trying to pull another Nazis/Facist coup that occurred in the early thirties in Germany.
  • Agreed Dale. Or:
    If a two/thirds majority is necessary for Congress, the Legislative Branch of our government, to pass legislation. then the same requirement should apply to SCROTUM legislative decisions too!
  • ncdave4life
    Progressives prefer that only those corporate entities which are safely in the leftist camp -- like big media -- be allowed to have a voice in politics. The Bill of Rights is a huge annoyance to the Left.

    Freedom of speech? No way, it might influence politicians! (Says the Left.)

    Free exercise of religion? Sure, except in the workplace, or the schoolroom, or the public square, or anywhere else that it might actually matter. In those places, only freedom FROM religion is to be permitted. "Exercise of" was probably a typo, Madison really meant "freedom from" religion. (Says the Left.)

    Tenth Amendment? You must be a neanderthal racist pig if you even have the nerve to bring it up. That part of the Bill of Rights doesn't really count, anyhow! (Says the Left.)

    Dave Burton
    Cary, NC
  • Good GAWD, Dave Burton, by signing your name you are proudly standing by your absolutely wrong-headed, misinformed, brain-washed, ignorance. You build statements upon an errant foundation and of course, reach ridiculous, ditto-head conclusions ...

    I'll only address your first statement where you say basically:

    ... lefties prefer those corporate entities that are safely in the leftist camp - like big media - because the Bill of Rights is an annoyance to the left ...

    Where did you ever hear this crap? Oh, yeah, you heard it from the so-called librul media! Chew on these facts from people who actually study these things for your enlightenment regarding CORPORATE MEDIA OWNERSHIP:

    " Project Censored researched the board members of 10 major media organizations from newspaper to television to radio. Of these ten organizations, we found there are 118 people who sit on 288 different American and international corporate boards proving a close on-going interlock between big media and corporate America. We found media directors who also were former Senators or Representatives in the House such as Sam Nunn (Disney) and William Cohen (Viacom). Board members served at the FCC such as William Kennard (New York Times) and Dennis FitzSimmons (Tribune Company) showing revolving door relationships with big media and U.S. government officials."

    " These ten big media organizations are the main source of news for most Americans. Their corporate ties require us to continually scrutinize the quality of their news for bias. Disney owns ABC so we wonder how the board of Disney reacts to negative news about their board of directors friends such as Halliburton or Boeing. We see board members with connections to Ford, Kraft, and Kimberly-Clark who employ tens of thousands of Americans. Is it possible that the U.S. workforce receives only the corporate news private companies want them to hear? Do we collectively realize that working people in the U.S. have longer hours, lower pay and fewer benefits than their foreign counterparts? If these companies control the media, they control the dissemination of news turning the First Amendment on its head by protecting corporate interests over people."

    See Dale? There is no liberal media. You took the bait, hook, line and sinker. Ya gotta turn off yer tee vee, git outta yer mama's trailer and be careful what 'cha sign!

    Hourglass
  • thrashertm
    Spot on. Picking and choosing which parts of the Constitution to follow or "reinterpreting" it to suit narrow political interests is the height of intellectual dishonesty, and unfortunately it's the path this country went down as soon as the Constitution was ratified =) I think that's why Jefferson advocated for refreshing the tree of liberty every 20 years.
  • We need a constitutional amendment to reverse the doctrine of corporate personhood.
  • ThoughtPolice
    If the role of government was severely curtailed, this ruling wouldn't be such a big deal, would it? We should make corporations' incentive to buy politicians essentially nil by reducing the impact of our government in markets. Then the corporations can focus on what they are supposed to be doing, which is providing good products to people. The only reason they are able to do anything but that is that we have a corporatocracy, where gov't's role is to legislate on market operations, which they have no business doing anyway, because they are not smart enough to do so. The operations of the many businesses in our country/world (millions of peoples' interactions) are far too complicated for 600+ people in the US gov't to understand and make decisions on. Period.
    Hopefully this one will be a win for libertarians, but I doubt most people will understand this more subtle point.
    Free markets are not perfect, but they are better than controlled markets (which is undeniably what we have) any day.
    Peace
  • SinkTheGOP
    BTW, corporations were first formed in Europe -- and in the US -- to minimize financial risk for ship owners when they sent the crew off to plunder other nations -- including enslaving and transporting Africans. Corporations have an evil genesis and are inherently wicked and powerful far out of proportion to their usefulness. Now they are trying to kill off American democracy.
  • SinkTheGOP
    I've never heard of Grayson before - he's right - hope to hear more from him. Something good has (finally) come from Florida.
  • dickerson3870
    RE: ‘kiss your country goodbye’
    MY COMMENT: Nighty night. Don't, let the "bed bugs" bite.
  • michaelvalentine
    Constitutional amendment. Screw the courts and change the Constitution.
  • abrahambenjudea
    Courts have decreed that non-citizens have no rights and can be declared enemy combatants with no access to the courts.
    Corporations are not citizens and can't be sworn in as citizens.
    Corporations as non citizens have the same rights as an enemy combatant.
    End of argument.
  • NadePaulKuciGravMcKi
    Ventura Sheehan Perot Paul
    Nader McKinney Kucinich Kaptur
    Grayson Gravel Gonzalez Clemente
    Choate Carter Baldwin Anderson
  • gr0o
    We are now legally this close -><- to "But Brawndo has what plants crave! It's got electrolytes"
  • homeromj
    I never thought that this great country would be on the brink of disaster and its only "saviors" would be the same ones that have the capability to bring on more disasters. Now the Extreme Court has handed corporations the opportunity to completely remake the federal government into an arm of international corportaions. It may not happen overnight, but today's incumbents and tomorrow's candidates will soon face the choice of dancing to the tune of corporations or very real unemployment. Me thinks that Rep. Grayson, who is possibly the only representative in the People's House that has a real spine, may soon face a multimillion dollar "throw the bums out" campaign financed by those companies that fear his influence with the voters.
  • Al Gomas
    "shrink government until its small enough to drown in a bathtub".
    G. Norquist

    That is their agenda and after 60 years they have succeeded.
    There never was a real political debate in this country.
    It has always been a thinly disguised up/down class war.
    Do they a plan for when the suckers wake up?
    They have a real flair for special events that create fear.

    "You betcha!"
    Palin 012. Fascism with a smile.
  • well said, Al
  • shane_b1968
    Free speech envisioned a town hall where all views could, and should, be able to be expressed. It exemplified virtues...open-mindedness and logic. The spirit of the first amendment was not to give those in power the ability monopolize debate but to allow the voice of the minority to, by logic and reason, win over public sentiment to the more rational argument.

    It was brought about to protect against exactly the kind of monopoly on debate that this ruling will ensure. If there was a requirement that opposing viewpoints would be heard then there would be no problem with the ruling. But that is not what this ruling will bring.
  • yo
    What about international corporations operating within the US? Does this ruling provide an open door to foreign influence in US political outcomes and US policy? If corporations now have the ability to provide unlimited funding to their politicians of choice, does this ruling apply exclusively to US corporations that operate only within the US or to ALL corporations? Just exactly how much does this ruling allow for foreign influence in US political outcomes and US policy?

    And what about the stockholders of corporations? Can they now indirectly influence US political outcomes and policy as a stockholder of a corporation even though they are not a US citizen?

    This ruling is really quite alarming on so many levels. But one thing is for sure, these five judges are traitors--there's just no other way for me to look at it.
  • Dima Brun
    It has been a corporate government for a long time anyway. All laws pass according to corporate needs not according to what is good for common people.
    As long as Americans sleeping with their pizza and cold beer next to them, soon they'll have nothing left and this country will be like a third world place...It is already becoming one.
  • Josh
    anyone else think he stole that bit about the senators wearing sponsor jackets from the new robin williams stand up bit?
  • DJBALL
    Didn't notice i was too busy listening to a decent man try to stand up for us.
  • alex
    http://www.breadwithcircus.com/#012110

    US Congress for Sale: Foreign Bids Welcome

    The most disturbing part of this ruling is in the understanding that corporations are not
    citizens of any given country, but businesses with offices in different places. What is to stop
    Russia's Gazprom or a Chinese lead mining/toy manufacturing conglomerate from buying a P.O. Box in Delaware, and then showering an obscure candidate from a small state with millions of dollars for their election campaign? Once elected, that congressman would be expected to vote a certain way on a certain bill or even introduce new legislation on house floor.
  • Caden
    You were warned, a lot and by many but this is just one example:

    "Rollerball
    (1975) R
    In the dystopian future, global megacorporations rule the planet. They maintain their power by channeling and releasing human hostility through rollerball -- an anything-goes, worldwide sport designed to show the forcibly subdued populace that individualism is futile. "

    The US is not the goal but only the begining...
  • Is it just me or does anyone else find it just a bit odd that the picture looks like an old Michealangelo painting with a halo over that goons head?
  • This has an obvious solution: A constitutional amendment stating "Congress shall pass no law interfering with the freedoms of production or trade." Without the power to injure businesses or to grant special favors to one business at the expense of others, politicians would no longer be able to exact tribute from corporations.
  • Wildcat
    This isn't just about corporate "free speech" -- it throws the door open for corporations to legitimately use every OTHER Constitutional right. In fact, not just corporations, but any other organized group.

    The following situations are for our right-leaning friends to ponder: Planned Parenthood may now "Plead the Fifth". ACORN now has a RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. In fact, ACORN has recently invoked the fourth amendment. Now, IT'S LEGITIMATE.

    Think on that.
  • Matt R.
    Don't give up hope. This can be overturned with an amendment. That's how they overturned dred scott. "Corporations are not entitled to 1st amendment rights as the bill of rights only applies to human persons of flesh and blood--not abstract legal entities." There's a lot historical law around the distinctions between corporate "persons" and human persons. The court simply made the choice that legal entity "persons" are also entitled to freedom of speech. The problem is that the nature of transferring this right to corporations is that it nullifies the purpose of the 1st amendment because it makes the people's right to speak meaningless.
  • mwhitehead
    This decision is nothing less than a silent coup and overthrow of our constitution. I have never been more pessimistic about the future of the United States. The beats all the evil things that Bush did by far. I don't know if our country will be able to recover from this one.
  • TheFuture
    I'm from the future. This sucks. Ya'll should do really something about this.
  • pakaal
    Where does it say in the Constitution that corporations have the same rights as people?
  • Adam
    I don't think Ayn Rand had this notion in mind when she wrote 'Atlas Shrugged.' If the few undemocratic captains of industry want to have their voices heard, then they should head to the polls. If they want to discuss an issue with a politician, they should write their letters. What this decision does is only increase the economic disparities that exist in our country already. We are furthering the idea that money is everything, and if you don't have enough money, well.....guess it sucks to be you. To hell with the founders and their ideas, this is OUR time and OUR space. We are rational enough to understand that this was a decision not based on freedom of speech, but disproportion of speech for that which only seeks to serve an individual or group that may not have democratic ideas in mind. But, this decision should only heighten the awareness of individuals in that it places more responsibility on our shoulders for who we should vote for, and continue to press this issue as most important for our democratic safety. I can understand how this was, in fact, a win for freedom of speech, if freedom of speech is applied in it's vaguest sense. So let's be ever vigilant and practice our roles as citizens of a country based on the principles of truth, justice, and happiness; the collective virtue of America and all other nations of people who feel the same.
  • ThoughtPolice
    Ayn Rand would also have supported going to a smaller gov't where corporations would not have incentive to buy politicians at all because gov't would have little-no role in industry. Gov't involvement in industry is almost always the CAUSE of our ills that we face, but people are too caught up in the party battle to realize cause and effect.
  • disappointedvoter
    Fuck Ayn Rand.
  • ThoughtPolice
    Maybe you should read some before you go spouting like that.
  • thrashertm
    I like Ayn Rand and Atlas Shrugged.
  • fukum
    Alisa Rosenberg, funny how some Soviet Jew got all of these weirdos panties in a bunch, isn't it.

    Her and Orly Taitz
  • Elim
    Did you see the way Tweety Matthews treated Grayson on his show today? What a fucking dick.
  • fukum
    That's because Twatty has a hard on for the 'net roots', we can now see through this charade thanks to the 'internets' and they don't like it down in DC
  • Most middle class Americans are asleep at the wheel. That was true of me too, until becoming apparently unemployable, despite my MBA and 20 years of professional experience. Last year I learned how science-fiction tales of Corporate owned government are made possible by the Fiat System of Money where cash is really debt and expansion is unsustainable. Yesterday I learned that the Supreme Court supports unrestricted Corporate Political Finance under the guise of Free Speech.

    Entities are not individuals. They are a collection of individuals, each with a right to free speech. However, when individual free speech of the few controlling entity interests is multiplied by the dollars exploited out of workers, small share holders and consumers, entities become super-human.

    Elite forces capturing the wealth of middle class workers have more money, therefore, more influence and power to control laws. Example: Unfair Trade Agreement. See how they have taken Detroit from Motown to Notown in 20 years.

    Welcome to Notown America. The plight of former union members, working for a fraction of their former wages, retirees afraid the automakers will be given court-appointed approval to break promises, middle age people being actively discriminated against in favor of young malleable minds that still live with mom & dad, is now imminent for the entire country.
  • thrashertm
    What does the 1st Amendment say about corporations? It's restricting government!!!
  • "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    The 1st Amendment doesn't seem to say anything about corporations, just people.
  • me
    It is the 14th amendment
  • Corporations are treated as a person under the law.
  • Yeah, I know. I have a problem with entities given rights with no personal accountability. Besides, with corporate interests having "free speech", the few controlling decision makers exercise amplified free speech by exercising their personal discretionary income + that of pooled resources from all corporate stakeholders that may oppose what the corporation says with their resources.

    This country is for people, not corporations. As far as I'm concerned, corporations have a right to even exist only to the extent they serve the needs of the people.
  • me
    Yes, but the point, I think, is that corporations don't pay for their mistakes or wrong doing like a person and if individuals are held accountable then individuals who make decisions under the umbrella of a corporation should also be fully accountable.
  • thrashertm
    The clause about people is distinctly related to the right to peaceably assemble. The part about prohibiting free speech does not mention people, corps, or any other form of entity. The intent of the Bill of Rights was to restrict the power of the government - not to pick and choose which entities have rights.
  • billos
    Amen, brother. I don't have an MBA but find myself unemployable with a 4 year degree and 30 years experience. It;s our age and anyone who says age discrim is not alive and well has not only fallen asleep at the wheel but crashed and burned after hitting a wall.
  • cyberengineer
    Right now I'm training the little bastard that will end up with my job!
    He is a young idiot, and they want me to puke knowledge down his throat
    like a mother bird feeding her young....I've been down this road before, it ends with me
    getting screwed! Yep, it is age discrimination!
  • Grayson's a gutsy guy who isn't afraid of losing the next election. I wish I were as optimistic as he is. Exxon-Mobil and Citibank don't give a rat's ass about anything but profit...that's what they're all about.

    To paraphrase Lincoln: If corporations could exist with no employees whatsoever, operating entirely with a computer, they'd do it. If they could exist with some employees, they would do it. Their goal is to grow their corporate empires and enrich their top executives. Don't believe anything you might hear to the contrary.
  • wow
    "operating entirely with a computer"... like Cheney, the late (JFK'd?) Mike Connell and rove flipping the votes in Ohio 2004 plus many who knows how many more times...

    (Psst. don't mention the election fraud though, that's just for conspiracy nutters you know)
  • tassykontogiannis
    "... Maybe we'll have to wear corporate logos like Nascar drivers."
    This would probably be a good idea, then at least we could tell who has bought them...
  • scytherius
    Too late, dude. its too late.

    We fought for DECADES and we finally got Obama, 60 Senate votes, huge House majority and what did that get us? Not a goddamn thing. Business as usual.

    So . . tell ya what. YOU fight. I've been fighting since the 60s. Think I am going to retire.
  • yobrien
    This is off topic. Can someone at Raw Story please explain to me if I have been banned from commenting at your site. And if so, please explain to me WHY? I have for the last two days been unable to comment on this site even though I see others are able to. At the very least, I should think the moderator or administrator of Raw Story could let a person know when they've been banned and why. I still presumably have some rights left in this country--one of which is the right to know what I've been charged with, and the other is the right to face my accusers so I have an opportunity to defend myself.

    What gives Raw? If this is what your're about--don't worry I'll never visit this site again.

    yvonneo

    Sorry folks, but this seems to be the only way I have found to communicate with Raw Story--if I can even manage to do so this way.
  • Elim
    I don't think they can ban. Certain words will trigger a flag for moderation so your post is delayed if it ever appears at all. Just guess which words those are. Pretty typical. I won't say them or you won't see this.

    I had a problem posting here for a couple of weeks once. I thought it was my browser, but who knows.
  • wow
    Yobrien I don't think it's you. The comments have been unreliable lately. Stories and comments disappear within minutes sometimes.

    ABOLISH electronic voting machines and maybe you will be able to elect the person you voted for. The next election come with duct tape and put it over every machine. Or better yet bring a hammer.
    HAND COUNTED paper ballots ONLY!
  • kenergy599
    Congratulations America! This supreme court decision makes the united states a
    fascist country. All three branches of the government are corrupt.
    The take over of the untied states has been achieved without a shot being fired!

    All you people who work for big corporations can stand tall and be proud of the fatherland.
    Soon, it will be legal to hunt down Jews, Blacks, Gays, and dissidents!!!!!
    They will be herded into camps to be "re-educated" to death.

    <sarcasm off>

    Americans are obedient, docile, idiots.
  • mrgames2
    Someday we will all work for WalMart.
  • SLIMJIM66
    LET THEM MARCH ALL THEY WANT . AS LONG AS THEY PAY THEIR TAXES . AMERICANS
    NEED TO STOP PAYING TAXES IF AMERICANS WANT TO BE HEARD . IF NOT KEEP
    MARCHING ..........
  • iconoclasm
    JUST ANOTHER CASE OF THE SCOTUS SELLING AMERICA OUT AGAIN! I CAN ONLY WONDER WHAT THESE SO CALLED JUSTICES GOT PAID OFF TO SELL OUT WE THE PEOPLE THIS TIME?

    FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW IT. WE ARE UNDER THE UNIFORM COMMERCIAL CODE. THEY HAVE KILLED THE CONSTITUTION.
  • vvtempo
    Yeah buddy, couldnt have said it better myself.

    RT
    www.total-anonymity.de.tc
  • jaimansson
    If corporations are people -- why won't they DIE?
  • chris
    because theyre to big to fail
  • The_Joker
    They do, just look at Fannie Maen Freddie Mac, GM, Chrysler all dying a slow death on the taxpayer dime. Or Enron, Worldcom.... history is littered with the corpses of businesses.
  • The_Joker
    How could I forget that bastion of freedom...... Air America..... belly up this week.

    The Constitution is a very pesky document when interpreted by the letter and original intent to those who would restrict the freedom of others to their own advantage, which is why Mr. Grayson doth protest so loudly.
  • James
    Finally - at least we can compete with the Unions. Its about time the supreme court cut this crap out
  • Elmo
    I've been asking for years what kind of nation of sheep would tolerate a situation where nine robed quacks, elected by no one and accountable to no one, would be in charge of the judicial system. Well, you have the answer.

    The people of this country need to start treating the criminal refuse in DC as exactly what they are. STOP VOTING! Stop talking about Constitutional amendments and the like. The CONstitution is not now, and has never been, legally binding on anybody. The criminal syndicate in DC calling itself the federal government has no legitimacy or legal authority. They have sold you and your progeny right down the proverbial fucking river.

    Do the people of this country have the guts to deal with these people as they deserve? I believe that about as much as I believe in Santa Claus. If the founders of this country were alive today, you'd never be able to convince them that this is the same country that they founded. As soon as they recovered from their daze, they'd be out looking for rope.
  • rudyspeaks
    Common Cause, MoveOn, PIRG, unions, GreenPeace, etc.... all of you have a national presence, staff, organization in place. Sit down now with Nader and write an Amendment that not only revokes this insane interpretation of the 14th amendment (corporate personhood) but reins in ALL of the excesses these Monsters, unimagined at the time of the Constitution's writings, have manifested. ONLY solution: National push for a limiting amendment. NOW is the time ! Long overdue.
  • END THE FED
    I have stated before , but no one seemed to notice , the most fundamentally profound observation about the Federal Reserve , an observation that will free America from the grip of the Fed , and render all Credit Card payments , House mortgages , and outstanding debts , including the 10 Trillion National Debt , null and void .

    And what is this observation you ask ?

    I went to the Historical Library of the University of Wisconsin and found the original Federal Reserve Act of 1913 : THE FED’S CHARTER EXPIRED IN 1933 . Section 4 , paragraph 4 CLEARLY states the Corporate Charter has a ” secession of twenty years ” , similar to the Charter given to the First and Second Banks of the United States in the 1700’s . They were NOT meant to exist in perpetuity . Apparently , Congress failed to notice . Therefore , ALL the Federal Reserve Notes and money lent by Banks and Credit Card Companies is COUNTERFEIT with NO Legal Basis whatsoever . Having your House repossessed ? Forget about it ! The money you were loaned was loaned to you by a Corporation with no Charter to coin money. Congratulations , possession is 9/10ths of the Law . Still , like John the Baptist , I feel like a voice crying in the Wilderness .

    Let those with ears hear .
  • pakaal
    And let anyone who actually acts on this and decides to do something like not pay their taxes, etc. realize they will be thrown in jail anyway, regardless of the convoluted argument regarding the Fed's legality. "De Facto" is the operative phrase here.
  • jtheletter
    Hey END THE FED,
    The original bill can be amended, altered, or voided by passage of later laws. And specifically in this case, the McFadden Act in 1927 voided the original 20 year charter limitation and made the Federal Reserve permanent.
    Link for you: http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3401802475....
    Research a bit further next time.
  • END THE FED
    A little Reseach? Try this on for size:

    Essays by Nicole Terry 5/15/09 6:14 PM http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/world/essays.htm Page 1 of 4
    Essays explaining what has happened to this World By: Nicole Terry PH: 717-497-5231Email:Nic…@Boxemail.com
    The documents listed below, plus hundreds more and numerous Essays explaining what has happened to this World are available on Disks for FREE. The documents are not
    secret. They are all on the Public Record. All of the Cases and Documents listed below are on the Disks so you can see them for yourself. Just contact me (Nicole Terry) and I will be glad to send them to you. What would happen to someone who played a major role in the discovery
    and publication of the following facts?
    1. The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v. IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate
    Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)
    2. The IMF is an Agency of the UN. (Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg. 816)
    3. The U.S. Has not had a Treasury since 1921. (41 Stat. Ch.214 pg. 654)
    4. The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. (Presidential Documents Volume 29-No.4 pg. 113, 22 U.S.C. 285-288)
    5. The United States does not have any employees because there is no longer a United States. No more reorganizations. After over 200 years of operating under bankruptcy its finally over. (Executive Order 12803) Do not personate one of the creditors or share holders or you will go to Prison, 18 U.S.C. 914
    6. The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA and all of the other alphabet gangs were never part of the United States government. Even though the “US Government” held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. V. Strang , 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)
    7. Social Security Numbers are issued by the UN through the IMF. The Application for a Social Security Number is the SS5 form. The Department of the Treasury (IMF) issues the SS5 not the Social Security Administration. The new SS5 forms do not state who or what publishes them, the earlier SS5 forms state that they are Department of the Treasury forms. You can get a
    copy of the SS5 you filled out by sending form SSA-L996 to the SS Administration. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2) Read the cites above)
    8. There are no Judicial courts in America and there has not been since 1789. Judges do not enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and Codes. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat. 138-178)
    Essays by Nicole Terry 5/15/09 6:14PM http://home.iae.nl/users/light.....ys.htmPage 3 of 4
    27. The Pope has ordered the genocide and enslavement of millions of people.(Papal Bulls of 1455 and 1493)
    28. The Popes laws are obligatory on everyone. (Bened. XIV., De Syn. Dioec, lib, ix., c. vii., n. 4. Prati, 1844)(Syllabus, prop 28, 29, 44)
    29. We are slaves and own absolutely nothing not even what we think
    are our children.(Tillman v. Roberts 108 So. 62, Van Koten v. Van Koten 154 N.E. 146, Senate
    Document 43 & 73rd Congress 1st Session, Wynehammer v. People 13 N.Y. REP 378, 481)
    30. Military Dictator George Washington divided the States (Estates) into Districts. (Messages and papers of the Presidents Vo 1, pg. 99. Webster’s 1828 dictionary for definition of Estate.)
    31.” The People” does not include you and me. (Barron v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)
    32. The United States Government was not founded upon Christianity. (Treaty of Tripoli 8 Stat 154.)
    33. It is not the duty of the police to protect you. Their job is to protect the Corporation and arrest code breakers. Sapp v. Tallahasee, 348 So. 2nd. 363, Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477 F.Supp. 1262, Lynch v. N.C. Dept of Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247.
    34. Everything in the “United States” is For Sale: roads, bridges, schools, hospitals, water, prisons airports etc. I wonder who bought Klamath lake. Did anyone take the
    time to check? (Executive Order 12803)
    35. We are Human capital. (Executive Order 13037)
    36. The UN has financed the operations of the United States government for over 50 years and now owns every man, women and child in America. The UN also holds all of the Land in America in Fee Simple. (Get the Disks for the Essay and Documents.)
    37. The good news is we don’t have to fulfill “our” fictitious obligations. You can discharge a fictitious obligation with another’s fictitious obligation, Credit River Decision 1968 says all Fed Banks are unconstitutional, unlawful, so contracts are nul & void.
    38. The depression and World War II were a total farce. The United States and various other companies were making loans to others all over the World during the Depression. The building of Germanys infrastructure in the 1930’s including the Railroads was financed by the United States. That way those who call themselves “Kings,” “Prime Ministers,” and “Furor.”etc could sit back and play a game of chess using real people. Think of all of the Americans, Germans etc. who gave their lives thinking they were defending their Countries which didn’t even exist.
    The millions of innocent people who died for nothing. Isn’t it obvious why Switzerland is never involved in these fiascoes? That is where the “Bank of International Settlements” is located.Wars are manufactured to keep your eye off the ball. You have to have an enemy to keep the illusion of “Government” in place. (Get the Disks and see the Documents for yourself.)
    39. The “United States” did not declare Independence from Great Britain or King George. (Get the Disks for Documents and Essay.)
    40. Guess who owns the UN? The disks have many more cites including Hundreds of Documents to verify the 40 statements above and numerous other facts.
  • That is some scary stuff...
  • jtheletter
    So rather than admit you were wrong you post a slew of other unsubstantiated theories. Do not confuse breadth with depth and try to stay on topic.
    You said this in your first post:
    "Section 4 , paragraph 4 CLEARLY states the Corporate Charter has a ” secession of twenty years ” , similar to the Charter given to the First and Second Banks of the United States in the 1700’s . They were NOT meant to exist in perpetuity . Apparently , Congress failed to notice . Therefore , ALL the Federal Reserve Notes and money lent by Banks and Credit Card Companies is COUNTERFEIT with NO Legal Basis whatsoever"

    To which I provided you with the legal document which proved your theory false. I don't see anything in what you posted that either counters my argument or shows what laws altered the McFadden Act's extension of the Fed charter. So you made the assertion that there is no legal basis for debts or modern currency based on your premise which has been shown to be false. You haven't countered that yet.

    Feel free to respond to our actual original discussion rather than posting dozens more unrelated conspiracy theories.
  • thecommentary
    Walter Burien has a brilliant idea to our current situation! EXPOSE THE THEFT AND END ALL TAXATION!!! Check out his new documentary. You can view the trailer for it here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2ClJ3Mvzt0
  • Bob Bakh
    The public employee unions have been doing this for years with the Democrats, as have the trial lawyers. So what's the big deal?
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