Dem claims he has enough pro-life votes to defeat health bill

By Daniel Tencer
Tuesday, November 17th, 2009 -- 2:59 pm
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abortionsigns 092408 Dem claims he has enough pro life votes to defeat health billThe co-author of a House amendment that would exclude abortion from health care reform says efforts to overhaul the US's health care system will fail if the amendment is removed.

US House Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI) told Fox News' Fox & Friends that if his contentious amendment is stripped from the House bill, it will lose 15 to 20 pro-life votes in the House, meaning it wouldn't have the votes necessary to pass the House.

"They’re not going to take it out," The Hill quotes Stupak as saying. "If they do, health care will not move forward."

But that claim was immediately disputed by another House representative, Diana DeGette, Democrat of Colorado and co-chair of the Congressional Pro-Choice Caucus, who said that Stupak's math is wrong, because many of those 15 to 20 votes were conservative Democrats who voted in favor of the amendment, but still voted against the health care bill as a whole.

"I think [Stupak] won't have the votes when people explain to those members what exactly the Stupak amendment does," DeGette told ABC News.

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Progressive politicians and reproductive-rights advocates have been raising the alarm about the Stupak-Pitts amendment to the House's health care bill. The amendment would deny public subsidies to health insurance plans that cover abortion.

Pro-choice activists say the move could effectively further limit access to abortions if health insurers decide to drop abortion coverage in order to qualify for subsidies. And the lack of coverage could, in turn, discourage doctors from providing abortions.

Pro-life groups, such as the US Catholic church, argue that the amendment is necessary because without it health reform would be tantamount to forcing people to condone abortions just by paying their taxes.

DeGette argued that the Catholic church's involvement in health reform is an encroachment on the separation of church and state.

"Last I heard, we had separation of church and state in this country," she said. "I've got to say that I think the Catholic bishops and all of the other groups shouldn't have input."

Despite an outpouring of anger by many women's groups over the church's push to ensure abortion is not covered under health care reform, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops is standing its ground.

"To limit our teaching or governing to what the state is not interested in would be to betray both the constitution of our country and, much more importantly, the Lord himself," said Cardinal Francis George, as quoted at the Washington Times.

Over the weekend, senior White House adviser David Axelrod said President Obama opposes the Stupak-Pitts amendment.

“The president has said repeatedly, and he said in his speech to Congress, that he doesn’t believe that this bill should change the status quo as it relates to the issue of abortion,” Axelrod told CNN's John King. “He’s going to work with the Senate and the House to try to ensure that at the end of the day the status quo is not changed.”

But, as Politico noted, Axelrod would not say if Obama would veto a health care plan that included the abortion restriction.

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  • Baconstang
    Well I don't want my taxes going to bombing countries that didn't attack us.
  • chabuka
    I don't think Stupak or his "C" street buddies, including Joe Pitts will be re-elected...if this Health Care fight has done nothing more than shine a light on these Evangelical turds and the Corporate lapdogs in Congress, and we get nothing, maybe we will at least get rid of the obstructionists in Congress (right and left), and get another crack at it in 2011....it has at least awoke the people and they are paying attention, finally, and participating, more than they have in the past thirty ,years....people should also be aware that the Republicans are sabotaging any change that President Obama has tried to bring about (they only want Obama to fail, so they can get back in power..to hell with the needs of the people!) from Health Care, new Banking regulations to Climate control, clean energy and trade agreements.....think of this...the Republicans have filibustered 87 times, since they have become a minority in 2006, more than any other time in the history.of the U.S. Government...and they have blocked over eighty of Obama's appointees, including almost all of President Obama's picks for the Department of Jusctice...A.G.'s, Federal Judges, etc.....if you blame Obama for the apparent lack of change, as he promised (not prosecution or investigating the crimes of the Bush Administration)...put the blame where it belongs...on the Republicans and their "secret holds" on Obama DOJ appointees
  • therealjoeschmoe
    Positive: "...Axelrod said President Obama opposes the Stupak-Pitts amendment."

    Negative: "...he doesn't believe this bill should change the status quo..."

    Get some balls and say: "I'll veto any bill that includes that religious-backed BULL SHIT amendment." Bush threatened that kind of action daily. While on vacation in Crawford.
  • therealjoeschmoe
    Let me "amend" my post: Bush threatened vetoes to get what he wanted. Frothing at the mouth. Wearing a pretend cowboy hat. While on vacation in Crawford.
  • kucinich2012
    The hat was REAL, it was the jackass underneath it that wasn't. (I know the guy that made the hat.)
  • LumberJock
    The hat & hate were real. So was the jackass. And I know the guy that wore the hat.
  • Savantster
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    Does anyone else need more proof that a) the letter behind your name doesn't accurately show where you stand on "core issues", and b) the Dems are so far right these days that they are using right-wing "core issues" to block centrist legislation?

    The two party system is destroying this country.. partisan bullshit is about keeping the public distracted while the corporatist loot this Republic.

    what a mess.. what a joke..
    .
  • Showdown0_0
    Name says it all. Stupid= Stupak. Until you can drop a baby out your ass leave the women alone!
  • yurtletheturtle
    Maybe he dropped something else out his ass, and only THINKS it's a baby?

    Like, his brain?
  • B_Godot
    JFK said it pretty damn well: http://tr.im/Fb0E

    "I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute, where no Catholic prelate would tell the president (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote. . . . I believe in an America . . . where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials. . . . That is the kind of America in which I believe. . . . Whatever issue may come before me as president - on birth control, divorce, censorship, gambling or any other subject - I will make my decision in accordance with . . . what my conscience tells me to be the national interest, and without regard to outside religious pressures or dictates."

    I'd like to see our President take the same strides.
  • Stupak's mysongeny is only part of the problem. I
    t's a terrible bill. I hope it fails.
    This bill will cannot sustainably increase coverage, there is no choice and it is NOT affordable.
    It's TARP to the health care insurers who contribute nothing to the health of Americans.
  • donofcali
    I feel that way too. This bill has a public option, but it is so weak that it forces the rates to be negotiated with the health insurance plutocrats. And very few Americans will have the ability to sign up for the public option even if it were a good one.

    This bill is crap. I really don't care if it passes or not. What the dems should do (if they weren't uber-cowards) is load it up with a strong public option allowing a future metamorphosis into a single payer, not for profit, universal system. Do that and let the blue shits and their republicon allies live with voting it down. They'd get their just rewards in 2010 for doing that.
  • firstplate
    I'm subsidizing these church's real estate taxes every time i pay mine. either have them pay their fair taxes on their real estate holdings or let me opt out of mine.
  • Freedom's Toast
    Amen!
  • quizmos
    You sneaky little cowardous bastard, you give Joe Lieberman a run for his money.
  • davidrvelasquez
    The church has been doing nothing but violating the separation of church and state.

    Revoke their tax exempt status now!
  • Atilla
    TAX THE CHURCHES !! Tax all contributions, all charitable giving. They are nothing more than political action organizations. Name the law requiring this "The Stupak Bill" in honor of that Papist Pedophile Pervert.
  • dennycrane
    They let the abortion issue stick its head out to derail the plan. Ooops! The plan "was" to derail the health plan. It should be kicked to the curb anyway. It is not single payer. Congressman De Fazio from Oregon is against it for all of the right reasons. This is like polishing a turd, when you get done with it, it is still a turd.
  • jimthebeam
    But it's a shinny turd! I saw it done on Myth Busters.

    But seriously, this is not a great bill. I'm not calling to support it or defeat it. It will pass or fail without my assistance.
  • kiboshki
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    Will this health insurance bill cover the barbituates and burial I'll need when this country becomes a fully bought and paid-for fascist theocracy?

    Somehow, I doubt it.
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