General unsure if repeated combat tours to blame for record Army suicides

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Tuesday, November 17th, 2009 -- 8:53 pm
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2009 breaks Army record for soldier suicides, up over a dozen from 2008

iraq7 General unsure if repeated combat tours to blame for record Army suicidesSuicides in the US Army are headed to a new record this year but it remains unclear if repeated combat tours in Afghanistan and Iraq are causing more soldiers to take their lives, a top general has said.

With 140 suspected cases reported among soldiers since the start of 2009, the number of suicides was already at last year's level, General Peter Chiarelli, Army vice chief of staff, told a news conference.

"We are almost certainly going to end the year higher than last year," Chiarelli said.

As of Monday, 71 suspected suicides also were reported among service members no longer on active duty, which surpassed the 2008 figure, he said.

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The total number of Army suicides has reached 211 as of Tuesday, according to the government's tally.

"For all of 2008, the Army said 140 active-duty soldiers killed themselves while 57 Guard and Reserve soldiers committed suicide, totaling 197, according to Army statistics," CNN noted.

The release of the latest suicide numbers came as President Barack Obama considers sending more US troops to Afghanistan, where nearly 68,000 American forces are already deployed.

The army has come under severe strain from years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, with officers citing repeated deployments and the stress of combat as fueling an increase in depression and marital problems.

But Chiarelli said the causes of the rising suicide rate remained unclear and varied from base to base.

About one-third of the soldiers who committed suicide had not yet deployed to either war, he said.

Top US military officer Admiral Mike Mullen, meanwhile, acknowledged the stress of the wars on the army and the Marine Corps but said he did not think the force was at a "tipping point."

He added that "I certainly would not want to underestimate the seriousness of the stress issue for individuals and for families."

Chiarelli said the army had launched promising initiatives to try to prevent suicide and teach soldiers how to recover from trauma.

"We believe, despite these numbers, that we are making some progress," he said.

The army had pored over the numbers to try to figure out what factors might be behind the suicides -- including links to combat tours or seasons of the year -- but there was no clear pattern, he said.

"So everywhere I try to cut this and look at it to try to find out what the causal effect is, I get thwarted," he said.

"And that's why we think that we've got to look in its totality at a whole bunch of different issues, and it's going to take time."

One possible link cited by the Army Science Board was that soldiers appeared more likely to commit suicide if they were separated from a base or post, even if they were living in an American city, he said.

Chiarelli said alcohol and drug abuse was on the rise and that was also likely part of the problem.

He said about 900 mental health specialists had been hired to offer more help to troubled soldiers but another 800 were needed. And he said there was a shortage of counselors for those with substance abuse problems, with about 300 more required.

"I need more of them so that I can expand this program to other posts, camps and stations," he said of the substance abuse counselors.

The general also repeated his appeal to army leaders to ensure soldiers who needed psychological help did not face ridicule or risk to their careers.

"This is a matter of life and death and it is absolutely unacceptable to have individuals suffering in silence because they're afraid their peers or superiors will make fun of them, or worse, it will adversely affect their careers," he said.

Chiarelli said a recently-launched study of suicide and mental health among army troops should offer insights into the roots of the problem.

The elaborate, five-year study by the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) is examining factors possibly associated with suicide, including combat-related trauma, personal and economic stress, family history, childhood abuse, a military unit's cohesion and general mental health.

The 50-million-dollar study will include a survey of the up to 120,000 recruits who enter the army every year and will analyze data and interview soldiers who attempted suicide in the past, comparing them to individuals with similar demographic characteristics.

With AFP.

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  • Mooftown
    can't figure out why? Because they are living in a day to day hell on earth. There is no end in sight either. The human mind can only take so much... it must be terrible being a marine in Iraq right now. bring em home you sick sadistic motherfuckers
  • Elim
    Someone's got to protect the massive heroin growing operation in Afghanistan. They need 40,000 more. A few suicides will have to be overlooked for the sake of the elite's profit margins.
  • friedmanfrankenstein
    Perhaps the fact that both our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan are for the sole point of rich white men to get richer at the expense of our troops, knowing they are there not to protect, watching illegal mercenary armies (Blackwater, among several) rape and pillage and the american people blaming the troops has something to do with it. There is a great way to stop the suicides: PULL OUR SOLDIERS OUT OF BOTH COUNTRIES!
  • moxaman
    You pump them full of toxic vaccines containing mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, antibiotics, squalene and viral proteins all of which are neurotoxic, then you submit them to sub human conditions training them to kill, and you wonder why they commit suicide? You create these psychiatric misfits and then send them to the farthest reaches of hell and you can't figure out why they kill themselves??? YOU ARE VERY SICK YOURSELF if you can't see what you have created.
  • theazcowboy
    People weren't designed to murder and maim members of their same species day in and day out and after 4-5 deployments it appears that lady Justice' comes along and 'whispers sweet nothings in your ear' and then 'Ka-Bam'' you put the M-16 barrel to your mouth and you use your fat toe to do a number on the war criminal - yourself.

    TheAZCowBoy
    Tombstone, AZ.
  • dennycrane
    Einstein said, Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. War is insanity.
  • thx1138a
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    MIC Suicides = War of Choice for Profit Collateral Damage.

    A million dead Iraqis weep for the hundreds of U.S. soldiers who have killed themselves.
    .
  • edwards_com
    Good Christians killing for their Christ.
  • paul475
    A General can't figure out WHY???

    WHY???

    Hey, dumbass, it's not YOUR job to figure out why. Your subordinates have been telling you all along.

    It's your job to, "do or die." That means you sacrifice the good of YOUR CAREER for your men and women.

    That is what the parents of those young men and women you keep sending to the slaughter thought they were donating their precious children to. That is what *I* paid my taxes for.

    You don't have to study STUPID just to make sure it is, in fact, STUPID!

    We don't PAY PROFESSIONALS to tell us that they HAVE TO study the OBVIOUS.

    End the god*n war, already. If you want job security, go to work for Fox News. If Glen Beck can't be fired, they aren't firing ANYBODY.
  • Dawn
    JUST THE FACTS
    1) These boys and girls are smarter than they are given credit for and WHO CAN deal with the worse crime against humanity-Wars of aggression (besides the F*cks that order it)
    2)These boys and girls come home messed up in the mind and the doctors are telling them when they feel they can't handle an situation- GO BE BY YOURSELF, DON'T BE AROUND OTHERS. (Maybe Hasan was their doc, that says volumes!)
    3)No transition time- from the front yard to the battlefield to the back yard barbecue

    Why don't you just go snag up more females with little babies, or allow a FEW MORE RAPES without reprimand, or how about taking more young ones who can die for you but can't drink a beer. How about some wake up to what AMERICA really stands for.
    REALLY sir? you don't have a clue?
  • edwards_com
    How about bringing back the draft without ANY form of deferment NO MATTER WHAT.
  • tommytoons
    Perhaps if American Troops knew that when they got out of Active Duty they would get good care from Our Government after they are civilians, and that out Nation would take care of them more effectively after their discharge from service.

    I also would imagine that the Generals know that repeated tours of duty cause a hardship not only to the men and women who are in the Service but its a hardship to their families and that would weigh on the folks who are sent to fight.

    I am glad to see that the Military are trying to find reasons for the suicides and to help their members to seek help and counseling, but among the rank and file I wonder if folks who are fighting with depression are afraid of vocalizing their fears to others because it might reflect badly on their careers.
  • edwards_com
    AS a civilian I hate to see anyone suffer needlessly. And am always willing to help.Yet,to knowingly join a corporate bogus war for profit that has nothing to do with our nations 'safety' unless you call the economic depression & national bankruptcy the corporate wars caused a form of 'safety' is not to suffer needlessly.
  • theoracle
    Duuuuuuuuuuuuh ! ! ! !
  • rickpetes
    I think the best thing we can do for our returning troops is to place them in places like the Hamptons, 89 Palms, Miami, whatever is considered upscale in NYC today - any place war profiteers hang out, that way, when they are getting ready to commit suicide, they can take out a few rich, white war profiteers with them...Oh, and maybe take out Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, the neo-cons, and maybe some banksters. As long as they are going to give their lives up, let them make this country a better place for the rest of us...That's why many of them volunteered in the first place, was to make America safer, and taking those people out would accomplish more than bombing Afghan wedding parties.
  • Phil E. Drifter
    Social Darwinism at it's finest.

    To be fair, though, the US Army should be providing them with bomb belts so they can take out a few of the enemy while accomplishing their primary goal of suicide.

    "Feeling stupid for joining the army? Depressed about how you got hoodwinked? Think Suicide can help? The US ARMY can help you!

    Inquire about our high-explosive bomb belts today! Take out a few of those 'rag-heads' while simultaneously (that means 'at the same time; we know you're dumb, that's why we recruited you) accomplishing your primary goal!"
  • LeonoV
    Extacy. Start em on minuscule doses and bi-weekly shrink appointments. It isn't that hard people, come on.
  • therealjoeschmoe
    This guy should be fired immediately. Doubt he wants the answer and if he had it wouldn't admit it because then they'd have to do something specific about it. No, just keep it vague... we're really not sure, no rhyme or reason... let's form a commission that goes nowhere...

    Seeing mothers, children and fellow soldiers blown to bits, over and over... Torture. Hey, that's just normal, day-at-the-office kind of stuff. I mean, get over it wusses. And go back for your 5th tour. It doesn't matter that there's no end in sight. Nor does it matter that a soldier might actually have a conscience.
  • tracy102
    Honestly I am surprised that the rate is not higher than it is. I cannot imagine seeing what these men and women see everyday, while at the same time being separated from their friends and families back home. Worse still is the idea that there is little to no support for what it is that they are doing over there. They are alone in a violent, scary world. We should all support the troops, even if we do not believe in the war itself. We need to show them the respect they deserve and ensure that they have all the resources and benefits they need, especially when it comes to medical care.
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