Glenn Beck appears to back gun rights for terror suspects

By David Edwards and Ron Brynaert
Tuesday, November 17th, 2009 -- 1:52 pm
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glenn beck Glenn Beck appears to back gun rights for terror suspectsSen. Chuck Schumer believes that a hole in federal gun laws allowed the the alleged Fort Hood shooter to purchase a gun. The top Democrat thinks that because the Joint Terrorism Task Force had probed Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan for possible terrorist ties he shouldn't have passed a background check.

Although Hasan wasn't on the terror watch list some gun rights activists think even suspects being monitored for terrorist ties should be allowed to retain their gun rights and privileges.

On Tuesday morning's FOX & Friends pundit Glenn Beck appeared to tell host Gretchen Carlson that he also backed such a stance: that there should be no new laws preventing people on the terrorist watch list to buy firearms, because that would somehow help the terrorists win, he implied.

"Here's one question about the gun situation. Apparently, even if you are on the terrorist watch list, you can still purchase a gun. Do you think that's okay?" asked Carlson

But Beck wasn't about to agree to any additional gun restrictions. "I am not going to give these people any more laws, any more power until they fix the problems that they have created themselves. How much more are we going to give them?" answered Beck.

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Hasan was charged in the Fort Hood shooting that left 13 dead. Sen. Schumer believes Hasan should have been prevented from purchasing a firearm after the authorities learned he had attempted to communicate with a radical cleric.

"In defense of the right to bear arms, the National Rifle Association and other gun rights groups seem to have taken up the cause of those on the FBI's terror watch list," Sahil Kapur reported for Huffington Post in June.

There were 963 people from the watch list who were recorded trying to buy guns in the last five years, according to a new Government Accounting Office report. Well over 800 purchases were permitted under the current law. Only 10 percent of all those who tried to purchase guns were actually turned down.

Sen. Frank Lautenberg would like to stop these sales. The New Jersey Democrat has introduced legislation, the "Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009," to prohibit gun sales to anyone on the FBI's watch list.

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The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, a gun rights organization, countered Lautenberg with the argument that the proposed change is just the beginning of a larger battle to abolish the Second Amendment altogether. In a statement released Monday, CCRKBA accused Lautenberg of trying to "expand his gun prohibition agenda under the cloak of national security." The group suggested that Lautenberg "probably would" strip Second Amendment rights from all Americans if he had the chance.

A June report from the New York Times noted,

Gun rights advocates said showing up on a terrorist watch list should not be grounds for being denied a gun.

“We’re concerned about the quality and the integrity of the list,” said Andrew Arulanandam, a spokesman for the National Rifle Association. “There have been numerous studies and reports questioning the integrity, and we believe law-abiding people who are on the list by error should not be arbitrarily denied their civil rights” under the Second Amendment.

Mr. Lautenberg introduced a similar gun-control measure in 2007, but it stalled after opposition from the N.R.A. The senator attributed the outcome to “knuckling under to the gun lobby.”

Beck's own Fox show covered the controversy in June, however, FOX News's senior judicial analyst Andrew P. Napolitano filled in for him because he had the day off.

"Is it just a coincidence that the people who are supporting this legislation, Senator Lautenberg and others, don't believe in the Second Amendment and would do anything they could to interfere with the fundamental right to keep and bear arms?" a stunned Napolitano asked NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre.

This video is from Fox News' Fox & Friends, broadcast Nov. 17, 2009.



Download video via RawReplay.com

Partial transcript

DOOCY: Alright, let's talk a little about this. Major Hasan down at Fort Hood. Yesterday, Schumer said, you know, the Join Terrorism Task Force had this guy on the radar and then he applied for a gun and the FBI passed his background check. That should not have happened with the gun laws the way they are there are too many loopholes. Here is the Senator from New York state.

SCHUMER: The Fort Hood shooter didn't just slip through the cracks. He walked right through a gaping hole in the federal system to keep guns out of the hands of potential terrorists.

DOOCY: Alright. Glenn...

BECK: You want me to respond to that? Let's see, what can I say about Chuck Schumer? How about we close this loophole? The PC loophole. The only loophole this guy walked through is the one that politicians like Chuck Schumer have created where we can't tell each other the truth. You know this nonsense up in Massachusetts where you can't say "Christmas" in school? Get the hell out of my face. You can't say that this man was a terrorist? The Army was investigating this guy for terrorist ties and people come out and say, "Well, I don't know." Was it Chris Matthews [that said,] "I don't know. Is it a crime to call al Qaeda?" Yeah. It should be if it's not.

CARLSON: But yeah, and of course not to that mention he was a Major in the U.S. Army.

BECK: So, we're going to close the loophole? You're telling me, Chuck, that nobody who is in the Army could have access to a gun?

CARLSON: I agree with you completely on this whole PC that's invaded our culture and invaded, apparently, our own U.S. military. But here's one question about the gun situation. Apparently, even if you are on the terrorist watch list, you can still purchase a gun. Do you think that's okay?

BECK: I am not going to give these people any more laws, any more power until they fix the problems that they have created themselves. How much more are we going to give them? We're going to hand over a sixth of the economy? When the CBO of Medicare has come out and said this health care plan will collapse the system of Medicare and Medicade. Collapse it.

DOOCY: You know, Glenn, this whole thing where the Join Terrorism Task Force didn't alert the people who were looking into the gun purchase reminds me -- remember during the Clinton years they had that wall separating the the divisions of the Department of Justice and --

BECK: And it lead to 9/11.

DOOCY: Exactly.

BECK: Let me tell you. This gun thing is a shark bump. Now, I'm not saying it was a coordinated -- but sharks, they bump into you to see what kind of predator you are. They bump into you to see if you are a danger. If you're not a danger they eat you. That's exactly what this is. I'm not saying it's a coordinated shark bump. This guy bumped into us, showing how vulnerable we are because we won't tell each other the truth. Our men and women who are here in America serving on bases and forts are in danger.

KILMEADE: Right. Can you imagine our soldier in Iraq are feeling bad for our soldiers in Fort Hood?

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  • JFucile
    I love the facists here, may you all end up on a watch list to get your comeuppance.

    The watch list is just that, a watch list. It is not a magical piece of paper that let whatever party happens to be pissing on the Constitution at the time do an end run around due process.

    If you think the person is a terrorist, charge them, convict them, then remove their rights. If you can't, then you have no right to curtail their freedoms.
  • gjdagis
    If he was bad enough to be put on some government's "enemy's list" then he should have been thrown out of the army or arrested in the first place !
  • Makes Total Sense
    “We’re concerned about the quality and the integrity of the list,” said Andrew Arulanandam, a spokesman for the National Rifle Association. “There have been numerous studies and reports questioning the integrity, and we believe law-abiding people who are on the list by error should not be arbitrarily denied their civil rights”

    That's funny, because, for a righteous defender of the constitution, he doesn't seem to care much about the 4th or 6th amendment rights for the terror suspects currently rotting in black holes.

    Fourth Amendment: guards against searches, arrests, and seizures of property without a specific warrant or a "probable cause" to believe a crime has been committed. Some rights to privacy have been inferred from this amendment and others by the Supreme Court.

    Sixth Amendment: guarantees a speedy public trial for criminal offenses. It requires trial by a jury, guarantees the right to legal counsel for the accused, and guarantees that the accused may require witnesses to attend the trial and testify in the presence of the accused. It also guarantees the accused a right to know the charges against him. The Sixth Amendment has several court cases associated with it, including Powell v. Alabama, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, Gideon v. Wainwright, and Crawford v. Washington. In 1966, the Supreme Court ruled that the fifth amendment prohibition on forced self-incrimination and the sixth amendment clause on right to counsel were to be made known to all persons placed under arrest, and these clauses have become known as the Miranda rights.
  • habu99
    Well stated. The wingnuttery made not one peep when Dipshit W. and his goons illegally detained (and tortured) people without due process, nor did they say anything when Junior illegally spied on hundreds of millions of Americans.

    But now that somebody from the opposite political party is in the WH and the same watch lists employed by Chimp and Dick are discussed as sources for denying the hallowed right to own an arsenal of people-killing assault weapons, oh the hue and cry from the right about Constitutional rights' infringement.

    Today's Repuglican Party: the home of liars, hypocrites, and thieves.
  • "slant"? "biased"? OK, how can a person's words, in context, on video, be made slanted and/or biased? There is the actual person, on video, in their own words saying what they have to say; how in the hell do you walk from that to anyone being able to change statements made by anyone? By the way, i have, myself, heard and seen Mr. Beck call himself a "rodeo clown" and tell anyone who'd listen that he IS NOT a reporter, journalist, scholar or any type of talking head other than an entertainer/opinion talker. The belief of the lemmings who take this clown seriously as some kind of person diseminating "news" is what makes this kind of entertainer dangerous! Take Beck's statements and fact check what he says, show some responsibility for your own beliefs! That is what ALL of need to be doing no matter who the speaker is!
  • terrymo1
    like the picture of beck. makes him look gay as hell.but the I think he is anyway,plus a falling down drunk.
  • Scuby
    Typical right wing knee jerk reactionaries..."Oh...taking guns away from potential terrorists is just the first step in abolishing the 2nd amendment altogether"... Jeesus H. Christ!!!
  • dimensio
    Please explain why you have dishonestly equated individuals who have been listed on the "Terror Watch List" -- a compilation that exists with no judicial oversight and upon whom many innocent individuals have demonstrably been listed -- with demonstrated terrorists.
  • Satan
    I back gun rights for terror "suspects" as well, because being a fucking "suspect" doesn't mean shit. I suspect Raw is nothing short of a fucked up propaganda outlet for cash and I suspect they have a few too many morons working for them as well.

    Is Raw seriously suggesting that ones presence on a list, put their by who knows, should limit ones freedom? Fucking retarded.

    Raw advocates treating "suspects" as criminals, that's far more dangerous than letting a "suspect" have a gun. So pathetic...

    Oh, btw, FUCK THE TROOPS, fuck your support for the phony war on terror.

    "Although Hasan wasn't on the terror watch list some gun rights activists think even suspects being monitored for terrorist ties should be allowed to retain their gun rights and privileges." - Lol, "EVEN SUSPECTS", Lolm, how long before it's "Some think EVEN SUSPECTS should be allowed to by food". Some think "EVEN SUSPECTS" should have the right to live under a roof. What a disgusting pile of shit Raw is. Burn in hell.

    "sorry, an error occured on our end" - That should be your new name Raw.
  • indyman
    Speaking of retarted, can you write a sentance without using that F word?
  • lorn
    yeah!....fuck.
  • GunTotinLiberal
    No where in this article does Raw say terror suspects should be prevented from buying guns. The fact that you draw that conclusion says a lot about you.
    But the bigger question is: why do you keep coming back here? All you do is whine and cry and complain. For real, if you don’t like Raw Story so much, then don’t visit it. It’s not like you’re really contributing anything worthwhile. Believe me, you won’t be missed. That goes for your dozen or so of sock puppets you use as well.
  • therealjoeschmoe
    Awww, poor little Satan, did you sit on your pitchfork today?
  • Scuby
    "Is Raw seriously suggesting that ones presence on a list, put their by who knows, should limit ones freedom? Fucking retarded."

    You mean like the lists that Cheney and his goons used to round up american citizens and rendition them off to be tortured in foriegn countries...without any due justice, without any legal counsel,?? That the kind of "limiting ones freedom" your talking about?? Jesus you folks need to get your priorities straight. Tell you what...they can take my gun, and rendition you for torture. Sounds fair.
  • dimensio
    "You mean like the lists that Cheney and his goons used to round up american citizens and rendition them off to be tortured in foriegn countries...without any due justice, without any legal counsel,?? "

    Yes. Abridging freedoms without due process is a violation of the United States Constitution; it was a criminal action when Mr. Cheney authorized such events and it will be a criminal action should Senator Lautenberg's proposal be enacted as law.
  • allenallen
    "Is it just a coincidence that..."

    "People are wondering why..."

    "I'm not saying it's true but..."
  • Baconstang
    Who's on the 'terror watch list'? Is it like the 'No fly list' that has half a million people on it, some of whom have committed the offense of having a name similar to someone of interest. A list you can't find out if you are on or why? Just wondering....
  • dimensio
    While Mr. Beck's expressed positions are often illogical and extreme, his position, on this subject, is reasonable. The "terror watch list" exists with no judicial oversight; there exists no efficient means for an individual to appeal being listed, nor are individuals able to learn why they have been listed at all. The list has contained demonstrably illogical and obviously erroneous entries, such as the late Senator Edward Kennedy.

    There exists no justification for abridging the Constitutionally protected rights of an individual without applying due process. The list should be discarded entirely, rather than used for further abridgment of rights and harassment of citizens.
  • dennycrane
    Of course he would. The "magical underwearing" freak comes from a church that fans the fires of the "Mormon Freemen" terrorists and others groups that have "popped" up like polyps inside of "RayGuns" butt. And the good ol' "birchers" are still there hiding behind their pulpits.
  • Carl_in_Chicago
    David Edwards and Ron Brynaert:

    Do you think that suspects should be denied their right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure? Or that they should be denied their right to petition for redress of grievances?

    How about leaving the denial of rights to those convicted of crimes ...
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