Report: Taliban trying to turn US troops into heroin addicts

By David Edwards and Daniel Tencer
Tuesday, October 20th, 2009 -- 12:40 pm
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afghanistanpoppydrugsheroin Report: Taliban trying to turn US troops into heroin addictsInsurgents in Afghanistan are using heroin as a tactical weapon against US forces, hoping to emulate the drug problems that plagued US troops in Vietnam and Soviet troops in Afghanistan in the 1980s, says a new investigative report.

In a report at the Daily Beast, author Gerald Posner cites "an internal US intelligence report" that "concluded [insurgents] are targeting American troops in an effort to undermine their effectiveness, while raising cash to pay for new recruits and weaponry."

The report brings up inevitable comparisons to the Vietnam War of the 1960s and 1970s and the Soviet war in Afghanistan that ended two decades ago. It also raises the possibility that the conflict in Afghanistan will spill over into the streets of America as returning troops bring their addictions home with them.

Posner told MSNBC's Dylan Ratigan on Tuesday that drug addiction played a major role in the military failure of those two wars.

"In Vietnam we ended up with a nearly 20 percent addiction rate to China White," Posner said. (A 1971 report on drug addiction among US soldiers in Vietnam pegged the number closer to 15 percent.)

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"Soviet soldiers came back from Afghanistan with addictions," Posner continued, noting that Russia is now the world's largest per-capita user of heroin "as a result of those returning Soviet fighters."

Posner said the Army and the Veterans Administration are "preparing in their hospitals for what might be a deluge" of addicted soldiers coming home from Afghanistan.

"Today's Taliban are yesterday's mujaheddin, who fought the Soviets," Posner said on MSNBC's Morning Meeting. "They understand that this is an additional weapon."

The Daily Beast article states:

This heroin bomb then does collateral damage back home. The returning soldiers brought home a heroin problem to Russian cities that grew exponentially during the past two decades. This past March, Russia’s anti-narcotics bureau announced that the country had become the planet’s “No. 1 heroin consumer.”

Today’s Taliban-fighting Americans were yesterday’s mujahideen-fighting Soviets. They saw how heroin helped disable a foreign fighting force more than 20 years ago. And that lesson isn’t lost on them.

Former CIA special agent Jack Rice, who also appeared on MSNBC with Posner, said the fact that insurgents are taking military salaries from soldiers and using that money to fight the United States clearly illustrates the dilemma President Barack Obama faces as he mulls granting a request from top soldiers in Afghanistan to add ground troops to the US mission there.

"Think of this as your biggest problem: We have the Taliban, which are very good administrators -- they're just drug dealers -- on one side, versus the Afghan government, which are horrible administrators, and in many ways also drug dealers," Rice said. "That's where President Obama is right now, dead center of that point."

Rice described the situation as a "disaster."

Posner also said on Morning Meeting that insurgents have developed the ability to produce smokeable heroin in their labs, making it easier for the drug to spread through society.

Ratigan noted that 90 percent of the world's heroin is produced in Afghanistan.

Posner is probably best known for his 1993 book Case Closed, which argued that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman who shot President John F. Kennedy. The book proved a popular counterpoint at the time to Oliver Stone's movie JFK, which argued in favor of a broad conspiracy.

But the book has been severely criticized by many JFK assassination researchers, including some who agree that Oswald acted alone. Gary Mack, curator of the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas, described Case Closed as a "blatantly biased attempt to prove the unprovable."

This video is from MSNBC's Morning Meeting, broadcast Oct. 20, 2009.



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  • Dennymanny
    The problem is that some of the soldiers can become addicted and imagine the psychological trauma that these people come with, and give them an addiction on top of that.
    Angie Manson
  • zohaibozai
    Ha ha ha ! really funny, good work taliban.i really appreciate.Us troops deserve more than it.in the soviet war, america won the war aginst soviet union just because of taliban mujahideen, america made them friends. In the end of war, america called them "The great afghan heroes", because at that time taliban were fighting against soviet union.america must be thier grateful. but now america calls them "terrorist" just because now they are fighting against america. but we know taliban are not terrorists, i personally know them very well.this is america itself wo create all this envoirment of terror.
  • Instabilty and war are the primary factors responsible for increased opium production in Afghanistan. Before the Soviet invasion, and during the brief rule of the Taliban, opium production was either very limited, or deliberated curtailed. Soon after the war is over, production is likely to plummet.

    http://watching-history.blogspot.com/2009/10/opium-in-afghanistan.html
  • Name
    I was a Marine in Afghanistan i tried to get the black tar from the poppies into something i could use.. I never figured it out so i just stuck to smoking hash :D
  • bw1
    Concerning heroin use in Viet Nam, I always thought it seemed insane to induct young men and send them off to war, especially to risk their lives for the purpose of counseling heroin addicts who shouldn't even be there in the first place..................Think about that for a minute......
    ..That's was my job in Nam, thanks to tricky Dick and his war on heroin in Viet Nam in 1971. This article is a bit conservative with the numbers, I would say. We saw some units completely strung out, including their commanding officers. Overall, we estimated the addiction rate to be 40-50 percent of all troops in Nam.
    Our program was a voluntary one, called "Crossroads" which required signing up and getting put on a waiting list, which grew longer and longer with time. We had to extend the length of the program several times to keep the junkies there longer, since they had a strong desire to leave about half way through. If they completed our program successfully, they wouldn't be forced to go to a mandatory detox center with armed guards. In order to catch a ride home on the "freedom bird" one had to pee clean at flight time.
    The China white was 97% pure on the average, and readily available for sale or trade for a bottle of liquor or carton of cigs. It would cost at the most $5. retail for a plastic vile containing about 1 gram. These empty vials were strewn about the grounds like cigarette butts. When you walked about the base they would crunch under your feet. Many of them still had residue.
    Outside the quanset huts, below many of the the windows, you would find the tell tale signs of those addicted by the insidiously piled emptied vials, tossed out the window, in favor of a new one ..
    Heroin builds up in your system, so that it takes more and more to reach the same high or "low". Use started with less than a vial a day and in a short time would increase to 2, 3, then 4, 5 or 6, to as many as 10-12-15 vials of pure heroin a day, mostly smoked or snorted. Very few shot up..and lived to tell about it...
    Imagine a habit stateside of this amount, where the heroin was anywhere from 2. to 5.% pure
    mostly because it would kill the shooters if it were stronger. It would be impossible for the returning junkey to realize the same high he had been used to...
    All this was partly due to the military policy of imprisoning soldiers who smoked pot and got caught. As the viet cong and others decided to try and lower troop moral even further with the introduction of heroin, our military played right into their hands. GI's could use heroin right there at their desk on the job, since it was virtually undetectable; it didn't have a strong odor like pot and many officers were unaware of its odor and use. Outside of the initial "nod" caused by the ingestion of H, the "walking dead" always seemed able to function as well as the other soldiers, according to many of their commanding officers. The actual effect of the drug was that it killed your emotions; no happy or sad feelings, just flat affect. So it worked well as far as relief from the existing hell of war....plus it was strongly physically addictive...and so hard not to continue its use once you started.
    We don't seem to have learned our lesson from past wars, so I expect we will be seeing history repeat itself with the looming escalation in Afghanistan...and the ready availability of the highly addictive, mostly pure heroin.
  • dan
    In response to the excessive issuance of bad conduct discharges for service acquired addictions, Congress mandated in 1970 that DoD create a system for screening and offering amnesty and treatment for anyone that volunteered for "treatment." DoD, I think, did a good job, but Command Level non-cooperation made sure the program didn't work. It wasn't long before they were kicking down doors again. Thanks for your work.

    I had the same gig but in Europe, where a lot of returnees with time remaining were sent, because CONUS was so over-strength.

    I had a few pitchers of beer with General from DoD, "Director of Drugs and Discipline," Bard... and a young Captain that was from Command Provost Marshall in Vietnam. Their reports of widespread heroin use match yours perfectly. They quit enforcing marijuana laws there. Our Provost conducted Command Wide studies to determine which drugs most positively effected Unit Performance Evaluations ... (quite covertly).

    Our command doesn't care about who gets strung out or how strung out they get... only about how it effects the mission. If they thought they could get better warriors, they'd put heroin dispensers in with the K Rations. But having it illegal makes the target population more exploitable...
  • TaterSalad
    Turn them into addicts just like them. The Islamic religion seems to bend their readings/beliefs to suit themselves and the times that are required to advance thier misguided cause.
  • Savantster
    .
    "It also raises the possibility that the conflict in Afghanistan will spill over into the streets of America as returning troops bring their addictions home with them."

    You fix that by legalizing drugs so these brave (and now broken) soldiers aren't made criminals back home just because the horrors of war were too much for them. They can then get the drugs they need to keep escaping the hell we've put them in.. until such time as they can be treated for their addiction (again, without being looked at as criminals, but instead as the victims they are).

    Why so many are so backwards on so many things I'll never know. ... well, I have a pretty good idea. Religion being so repressive is destructive to our psychologies.
  • ...a privilege reserved for American tobacco companies.
  • thx1138b
    Drug the Great Satan's mercenary minions into bless-ed oblivion.
  • hawkny1
    Come on, O'B!!
    Get our troops out of there
    Enough is enough....
  • Thomas Jefferson
    how long was it before the soldiers stationed in Viet Nam became addicts?

    We are in Afghanland now going on 9 years, do you honestly believe that heroin addiction is only now becoming a problem?

    LOL I have a bridge to sell you.
  • professor09
    lol, US reporters needed 8 years to find out that heroine is a problem in Afghanistan
  • anarchisto
    Dope has always been the commodity of choice for pirates, warmongers and bonesman.
    Gerald Posner proved himself a waterboy for the establishment with "Case Closed."
    Obama seems to be a Manchurian candidate straight out of the Council of Foreign Relations crowd of globalist.
    The whole house of cards would come down with a massive crash if the events of 911 were truly investigated and revealed.
  • davidrvelasquez
    As if american troops needed the Taliban's help in turning to drugs in the middle of a hellish endless war.
    Only difference between this war and Vietnam was the US gov't's own collusion with the producers and transporters of heroin.
  • professor09
    more troops, more customers for Talibs
  • Joy4
    That is very sad. Many soldiers would be vulnerable, since they are depressed about being away from their loved ones.I've heard soldiers in many wars were given drugs to help them be more upbeat. Herion is as destructive as any drug out there.
  • Joy4
    That is very sad. Many soldiers would be vulnerable, since they are depressed about being away from their loved ones.I've heard soldiers in many wars were given drugs to help them be more upbeat. Herion is as destructive as any drug out there.
  • What ever this Posner character says is very suspect. imo; Having said that. The government will have to lay the blame of our military having heroin addictions on some one. One of the reasons we are there is for the drug trade. We have not eradicated the poppy. We have given them a bumper crop year, after year. WHY?
  • staunchdem
    Just one more reason to get the hell out of that area for good.
  • overdoneputaforkinit
    GW Bush's final legacy is ultimately drug addiction for soldiers. It fits, doesn't it? Bush in the National Guard went AWOL to avoided his physical which had a test for cocaine.
  • shag11
    And just like in Vietnam, with all the death they are exposed to, they are very, very vunerable.
  • timfleming
    Gee, how remarkable it is that Posner has access to " internal US intelligence reports." So...when we read Posner, we are reading what the intelligence community's perspective/analysis of a particular topic. Ergo, when I read Posner's "Case Closed" I am probably reading CIA propaganda.

    Like the CIA, this lying, low-life of a snake cannot be trusted with the truth. Emblazoned on the CIA walls at Langley is its motto, "Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free." Should be, "Ye shall never know the truth, and ye shall never be free."

    Tim Fleming
    http://www.blazingtrailers.com/show.php?title=441
    www.eloquentbooks.com/MurderOfAnAmericanNazi.html
  • dan
    That soldiers might use drugs, understandable. That they might use the drugs cheaply and easily obtained on the local economy... also believable. That the Taliban is responsible, utter hogwash.

    I don't believe this for a moment.
  • johntwodogs
    Yet another reason to get the hell out of Afghanistan!
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  • Notorious Kelly
    If I was a troop walking around that hellhole with a target on my head, I'd do heroin and whatever else was available.
  • lousgirl84
    Can you blame them? It's probably the only way they can deal with hell. A good friend of mine came back from Vietnam addicted. he finally beat it but boy did that war fuck him up. A brilliant guy with so much potential - sad
  • mick
    "9/11 Truth is the root of all this mess. Let's uncover it."

    911 was set up to enable this (war on terror) so yes it is at the "root" of all this "mess".
  • rawstorysuspect
    First of all, the Taliban is NOT an insurgency. They control like 95% of Afg. They ARE Afghanistan, for all intents and purposes. We pay them not to attack us. Construction crews contracted by our government have to pay local Taliban every time they want to build something. EVERYONE pays the Taliban. I would guess that this is one of their main sources of income, besides drug sales and donations. In effect, the USA is funding its own enemy. This fact, and their strategy of asymmetric warfare allows them to effectively fight us as long as we are there.

    Second, before we were there, the Taliban was eradicating opium production because they didn't want Afghanis getting high and being lazy. Now that we are there, they are growing it again and selling it to us to get us addicted.

    Finally, the best thing to do is pull out. Completely. And then make a deal with the Taliban. And Iran. And tell Israel and the Saudis to GO SCREW THEMSELVES. And prosecute everyone involved on both sides for war crimes.
  • 9/11 Truth is the root of all this mess. Let's uncover it.
  • Satan
    The vast majority of the heroin is made in Pakistan, then exported pretty much anywhere except Afhanistan. Like the corner down the street where my brother gets his, that is, except for 2001 when the Taliban eradicated it's growth for the ownly time in history.

    Raw spelled backwards is WAR.

    "Ratigan noted that 90 percent of the world's heroin is produced in Afghanistan." - That's opium assholes. The opium is grown in Afghanistan and it's only since the arrival of U.S. troops that the labs have appeared their.

    More "former" cia agents to tell us how it is huh? They have zero credibility, that's whats makes them CIA agents.

    Speaking of the fucking CIA, war story, what government entity thats initials are, CIA, was supporting anti-communists in the golden triangle in the 70's, anti-communists up to their neck in heroin labs? Hmmm, who could it fucking be?

    Propaganda, nothing else.
  • MarxyMcLiberalson
    I'm curious what your point is as well. THe CIA has been using drug sales to fund their secret efforts since the CIAs existence. From Korea to Vietnam, In South and Central America. Congress refused to fund Reagan's war so he funded it himself with cocaine money. There has been a parade of people whistleblowing on the CIA about flying illegal arms to central america and shipping cocaine back int he same CIA planes. THe CIA is still doing it. One of their planes was just shot down over Mexico with 3 tons of coke in it. But in the 80s instead of buying $100 worth of powder cocaine that was a whole process to snort and gave you a weak buzz as long as you kept doing it, ORRR you could freebase through a whole chemistry experiment type thing where a $100 worth of blow becomes one hit of freebase that gets you REALLY high for about 10 minutes ORRRR you could get some of this new CRACK stuff, soap like in consistency, its easily portable, immediately smokable, sold in affordable $5 and $10 pieces! WHy its alost as if it was manufactured and marketed. Crack spread across the US via the Bloods who got it from the Governement. See the very good and brave work by Gary Webb of the San Jose Mercury News who was suicided or The Politics of Heroin (CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade) by ALfred W. McCoy.
  • Phil E. Drifter
  • dan
    thanx for posting

    I googled and found this

    very interesting

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/12/19...

    peace out
  • Phil E. Drifter
    and story spelled backwards is yrots.

    What's your point?
  • Phil E. Drifter
    Posner is probably best known for his 1993 book Case Closed, which argued that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman who shot President John F. Kennedy. told me everything I needed to know about this asshat.
  • Phil E. Drifter
    Legalized heroin would be less harmful than alcohol.
    If you tried crack or heroin it is highly unlikely you would ever become addicted.

    Suburra.com

    This is your government scaremongering.
  • jack
    Do you think our wealthy, corrupt officer corps will care? It's just more profits for them. Why do you think the Marines went into Helmand province.

    Gerald Posner is a paid, lying psycho, imho. The Taliban, when they were in power, succeeded in cutting opium production way back. As opposed to what has happened under our occupation.
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