Sources: Public option back on the Senate agenda

By Daniel Tencer
Thursday, October 22nd, 2009 -- 6:48 pm
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healthcareertraumanursedoctor Sources: Public option back on the Senate agendaDespite months of claims by politicians and political observers that a public health care option couldn't pass the Senate, multiple news sources reported Thursday that a government-run public health insurance plan is back on the Senate agenda.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) is said to be "leaning towards" including a public option in the bill that will hit the Senate floor in the coming weeks. The Senate Finance Committee -- whose support is crucial to any bill having to do with government spending -- head earlier approved a version of health care reform without the public option.

The conventional wisdom about the public option's chances has changed little in recent weeks -- there aren't the 60 votes necessary in the Senate to defeat a Republican filibuster of the bill.

But, as ABC's Jonathan Karl reports, Reid reportedly believes he could convince some conservative Democratic Senators to vote down the GOP filibuster, but still vote against the bill itself. The public option would then require only 51 votes to pass, and it appears that level of support does exist.

The form of public health insurance Reid and other Senate leaders are considering would include an "opt-out" clause that would allow individual states not to participate in the plan if they so choose, according to a report at Roll Call.

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BAUCUS 'WENT TO DEFCON 1' OVER PUBLIC OPTION IDEA

"If Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and the White House included a public option in the Senate bill, it would signal a remarkable shift from where Democrats and Republicans thought the debate was headed after the tumultuous August recess," reports Carrie Budoff Brown at Politico.

But the proposed move is already gathering opposition from some centrist and conservative Democrats. ABC's Jonathan Karl reported:

This is not a done deal. I am told that Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus (D-MT) – who worked for months to get Olympia Snowe’s support for the bill and has consistently said a public option cannot pass the Senate – was apoplectic when Reid told him he wanted to include the public option. “Baucus went to DEFCON 1,” said a source familiar with the negotiations, referring to the alert level the military uses for an imminent attack on the homeland.

According to the New York Times, Reid and other congressional Democratic leaders were headed to the White House late Thursday to discuss the idea with President Barack Obama and ask him to help shore up support for it in the Senate.

Sen. Tom Carpenter (D-DE) told TalkingPointsMemo's Brian Beutler that he believes the final public option plan would likely be run by a non-profit organization that is kept at arm's length from the federal government.

"I think at the end of the day there will be a national plan probably put together not by the federal government but by a non-profit board with some seed money from the federal government that states would initially participate in because of lack of affordability," he said. "The question is should there be an opportunity for states to opt out later on and if so, within a year, within two years, within three years?"

Both the House and the Senate are expected to vote on health care reform in the coming weeks. Proponents of including a public option in the reform were recently boosted by polls showing growing support for the idea among Americans, as well as a Congressional Budget Office estimate that said the public option would actually reduce the federal government's deficit, rather than adding to it.

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  • douvie
    The NYTimes is reporting that Reid believes he can still get 60 votes with a public option. This weak pussy is going to blow it. Go for a simple majority vote and get a strong public option. That's what Americans want and that's why the Democrats were handed a majority. If they don't achieve this, they're toast.
  • Max_1
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    Q U E S T I O N:

    Why do members of Congress feel that Americans DO NOT deserve affordable health care options?

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  • douvie
    Because they have been bought by the insurance companies.
  • 1juke2
    The tax cuts bush passed were not permanent laws, they don't require the 60 votes. I believe the Public Option would.
  • donofcali
    I'm not aware of a difference in senate voting rules related to whether bills become permanent or temporary laws. Please cite a reference.
  • peterlawrence
    Rawstory... you're actually wrong on one thing... It would only require 50 votes instead of 51 because I'm pretty sure our VP would cast the appropriate deciding vote.
  • donofcali
    Total of Bush tax cuts: $1.3 trillion

    Original Bush Tax cut:
    >Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA 2001), HR 1836
    >Passed senate (congress) May 26, 2001
    >Congressional record S5796 http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage...
    >Senate vote: 58 yes (46 R, 12 D), 33 no (31 D, 2 R)

    Subsequent Bush Tax cut:
    >Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 (JGTRRA 2003), HR 2
    >Passed senate (congress) May 23, 2003
    >Senate voting record http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call...
    >Accelerated phase in of 2001 tax cuts, lowered cap gains and dividend taxes
    >Senate vote: 50 yes (48 R, 2 D), 50 no (46 D, 3 R, 1 I)
    >Dead-Eye Dick Cheney broke the tie with yes

    Both Bush tax cut bills were passed by the senate with less than 60 votes. They cost $1.3 trillion, and there was no barking from the republicons at the time (with rare exception) about how to pay for them. The theory went that these tax cuts would manifest themselves as future revenue increases. That absolutely did not happen. Bush went on to double the national debt.

    So why is the mainstream media inculcating the message that to pass the health reform bill it takes 60 votes in the senate or no way? Why does the senate “leader” Harry Reid exhibit such extreme pusillanimity?

    It is absolutely mandatory that the bill Obama signs has a strong public option with no tricks like the ol’ Rusty Trigger or the cop-out Co-Ops. And you know what it takes to pass that bill Harry? It takes 50 yeahs plus the VP voting yeah. That’s it. Grow a pair for God’s sake. Or else, please retire immediately and take up something more of your nature like quilting or flower-pressing.
  • mcquaidLA
    I have an idea! If we don't get a real public option, let's lock all the doors to the Capital Building when both houses are in session and burn it to the ground! And if our "representatives" want to be rescued, they can call the insurance and pharmaceutical lobbyists!
  • donofcali
    Total of Bush tax cuts: $1.3 trillion

    Original Bush Tax cut:
    >Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA 2001), HR 1836
    >Passed senate (congress) May 26, 2001
    >Congressional record S5796 http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage...
    >Senate vote: 58 yes (46 R, 12 D), 33 no (31 D, 2 R)

    Subsequent Bush Tax cut:
    >Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 (JGTRRA 2003), HR 2
    >Passed senate (congress) May 23, 2003
    >Senate voting record http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call...
    >Accelerated phase in of 2001 tax cuts, lowered cap gains and dividend taxes
    >Senate vote: 50 yes (48 R, 2 D), 50 no (46 D, 3 R, 1 I)
    >Dead-Eye Dick Cheney broke the tie with yes

    Both Bush tax cut bills were passed by the senate with less than 60 votes. They cost $1.3 trillion, and there was no barking from the republicons at the time (with rare exception) about how to pay for them. The theory went that these tax cuts would manifest themselves as future revenue increases. That absolutely did not happen. Bush went on to double the national debt.

    So why is the mainstream media inculcating the message that to pass the health reform bill it takes 60 votes in the senate or no way? Why does the senate “leader” Harry Reid exhibit such extreme pusillanimity?

    It is absolutely mandatory that the bill Obama signs has a strong public option with no tricks like the ol’ Rusty Trigger or the cop-out Co-Ops. And you know what it takes to pass that bill Harry? It takes 50 yeahs plus the VP voting yeah. That’s it. Grow a pair for God’s sake. Or else, please retire immediately and take up something more of your nature like quilting or flower-pressing.
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