Soros: China should lead ‘new world order’

By Daniel Tencer
Wednesday, October 28th, 2009 -- 3:56 pm
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soros01 Soros: China should lead new world orderChina should step up to the plate as the leader of a new global economic order, and the US shouldn't fear the establishment of a global currency because it would help the economy, billionaire investor George Soros says.

In a recent interview with the Financial Times, Soros said that China hasn't been pulling its weight in reorganizing the global economy after last year's economic collapse, and the way to convince China to lead is to allow it to "own" the reorganization of the global financial system that is underway.

"You really need to bring China into the creation of a new world order, a financial world order," Soros told FT. "They are kind of reluctant members of the IMF. They play along, but they don’t make much of a contribution because it’s not their institution. ... They have to own it the same way as, let’s say, the United States owns the Washington consensus, the current order, and I think this would be a more stable one where you would have co-ordinated policies. I think the makings of it are already there because the G20, in agreeing to peer reviews, effectively is moving in that direction."

Peer reviews are a mechanism by which members of the G20 club of economic powers can review other members' economic performance and warn those members of dangers to their economies.

Soros also advocated for the creation of at least a limited global currency, which he says would help reduce the imbalances in the global economic structure and would actually benefit the United States, whose dollar currently acts as a de facto global currency.

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Soros said the IMF's Special Drawing Rights -- a kind of currency that IMF member countries can use to transfer money between countries -- could be the backbone of a new global currency.

"I believe that basically the system is broken and needs to be reconstituted," Soros said. "We cannot afford to have the kind of chronic and mounting imbalances in international finance. So, you need a new currency system and actually the Special Drawing Rights do give you the makings of a system and I think it’s ill-considered on the part of the United States to resist the wider use of Special Drawing Rights. They could be very, very useful now when you have a global shortfall of demand. You could actually internationally create currency through special drawing rights, and we’ve done it."

Special Drawing Rights, or SDRs, were created in 1969 as a way of supplementing countries' currency reserves. Their value is determined by a formula based on the values of the US dollar, the British pound, the Japanese yen and the Euro.

Recently, the IMF has been using SDRs to help out countries struggling under the weight of the global recession. As Soros noted, China itself has advocated creating a global reserve currency from the IMF's drawing rights. European leaders such as British Prime Minister Gordon Brown and French President Nicolas Sarkozy have also called for an expanded role for the IMF in the emerging global economy.

Soros said that while the US received "great benefits" from having the US dollar as the default global currency, that time is now past because the US "abused" its currency's power to create an imbalanced global trade system

"We have abused it and I don’t think we can continue abusing it anyhow," Soros said. "So it is not necessarily in our interests to have the dollar as the sole world currency because as the world economy grows, it needs an additional currency and, if the dollar is that additional currency, it means that the US has to have chronic current account deficit. And that is not appropriate. I think it’s in our interests as well to reform the system."

Some critics of the global financial system have argued that SDRs are the thin end of the wedge to the creation of a world government, arguing that institutions like the IMF and the G20 undermine the sovereignty of nations by taking control of economic policy out of the hands of national leaders. Soros' comments are unlikely to assuage those concerns.

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  • therealgeekmom
    what do you expect from a nazi lover from the war? have you read his history? sad.
  • Steven
    How long are we going to let the Jewish mafia destroy America and the world?
  • tacticalgrace
    Hitler had the same idea based on the same politics, National Socialism.
  • jimbojamesiv
    The IMF is an abomination and bright ideas for the future do not include the IMF. Moreover, China should only be asked to reform themselves, just as almost every nation, particularly the US, should first reform themselves. Then, maybe, they can think about being the leader of a new world order. If China reformed itself, then we can talk, but China is not an example of anything except a repressive regime that needs to be reformed..
  • no_bullshit
    But theres no such thing as a "NEW WORLD ORDER". Thats just "conspiracy" talk of nuts like Alex Jones!
  • truthops2010
    Any person who would amass a billion dollars, I wouldn't let babysit my children.
  • WhiteHorseBlindersOff
    They obviously will. When the "developing" countries, meaning us and Europe, finally cripple ourselves with cap and trade, because of that new bullshit religion, we will eventually develop into China, a bunch of poor dumbasses subject to the whims of a strongly centralized government. China has been the ideal for these schmucks. Fucking Obama wants this.
  • davidrvelasquez
    Great, just what we need... handing the world's economic stewardship to a country that brutally and ruthlessly represses it's dissidents like Tibet, Xinjiang and its Falun Gong followers. But you gotta hand it to them in their show entrepreneurial spirit in the millions they've saved by harvesting the organs of their political prisoners.

    Boy George, ...you sure know how to pick em!
  • DougI
    America advances only when we fall behind. We were behind Germany in the 40s so we quickly caught up. We were behind the Soviets in the 50s and we quickly caught up. Now we have nobody to beat except ourselves. When we realize China is beating us then maybe we can rise to the challenge again.
  • Turnip
    It's not jingoist, nationalistic, or unduly patriotic to see the writing on the global wall and combine it with the knowledge of who is wrote it, and call it what it is. It's fucking nuts, and so is Soros.
    To them, this destruction of wealth was needed, and not accidental. What is needed now is a continued move toward parity in living standards between us and our trading partners like China and Mexico. We will be doing the same jobs, living in the same country, but bit by bit, we will be sold further down the river by those that wish to achieve a 'global balance'. That's code for equal opportunity serfdom. The average person living here will never be able to retire, and will live as a wage slave until they drop dead at their desk, due to some arbitrary supranational agreement whose sole purpose is to keep the globalist money masters and their supportive institutions as the kings, while waging an economic war upon the entire planet. No thanks. I'll run the flag up on this one, and point. . yelling -- Not here you parasitic fucks!
    SDRs=IMF, which is the crown and the owners of it, ie, the really old banks. . .that actually own the fucking money itself. The same owners that own our dollars. Oh, End the FED, and return our monetary system to the people, and this bullshit also goes away.
  • greg789
    Soros is nuts. China has no labor laws, no environmental laws, the highest execution rate in the world. It harvest organs from executed prisoners. It is in the process of ethnic cleansing. It meets protest with tanks. It has no free press and uses it clout to force censorship on the web. The government controls all aspects of business. Soros is nuts. I see why the right wing is so paranoid about some of the actors on the left. He should have been howled down immediately. Any group that accepts his money has no credibility.
  • damixaustex
    "the highest execution rate in the world"
    Huh?

    Highest total number of executions, for sure.

    Per Capita "Rate?"
    The Bahamas. Barbaric murderers those capitalist Bahamans! Per capita rate of executions in Bahamas is nearly ten times that of China.

    Not excusing either of them, but one year, the US State of Texas beat China in per capita rate of Capital punishment.
    The free press stuff, well your onto something. The Party is a controlling bunch, sort of like the Bush admin.
  • greg789
    What else am I onto? Ethnic cleansing? Organ harvesting of political prisoners? Sweat shops for children? China is where it is because some traitorous Americans, the Bush family prominent, sold our jobs and our industries to them. No legitimate business can compete against a business that evades taxes, secretly dumps its toxic waste into the river, and employees illegal labor. No country can compete with a country like China for the same reasons.

    Some Americans are prospering from the China trade. They take their 10 percent off the transfer of wealth and defend it unto death.
  • femtobeam
    Where did you get the "official" Chinese figures from there?
  • damixaustex
    Here's one handy graph.
    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_exe_perca...
    Sounds like your questioning the Chinese figures. That's good. These figures should always be questioned, no matter the source.
    The US, for example, doesn't count people gunned down by cops or tasered to death as executions, but, effectively, they are. You don't see that in Norway, for example.
    Texas is often neck and neck with China for per capita executions. I deplore capital punishment.

    Sorry, I generally don't dawdle on semantics like the "rate" word. The thing is, Americans forget that China is nearly one fourth of the worlds population. When people spout off stupid stuff about China, I just wanna quote some of the posters on this site and say "wake up!" It's the largest country on the planet(population). It's an economic powerhouse. They have alliances with half the globe. They got screwed by the west and they're back, stronger than ever.
    All the lovely colonial memories of yore can't mask the fact that we will have to play nicely with China eventually. They have been playing quite nicely internationally, in my opinion, given what the West did to them over the years. I carry no guilt...the past is the past, but Americans really need to get a clue. Colonialism is dead. THe British Kingdom is history. The USA is not number one anymore. It's time to make nice with the neighbors and acknowledge that we must move carefully from the number one economy to the number 5 or 6, where we belong.
    The sooner Americans get it, the sooner we'll succeed.
  • femtobeam
    If you think that Americans who have fought for 200+ years for our freedom, mistakes or not, are going to lie down and get used to Chinese rulership, you are not one.

    Most Americans (and Europeans too) would say, "OVER OUR DEAD BODIES!"
  • damixaustex
    Take a look at Australia's relationship with China. France too.
  • femtobeam
    Economics can and does effect security and money generated is used for military spending. The US DOD reports on China for the years 2005 and 2008, outlining the threat from China, paint a different picture. Check it out.

    I am familiar with their relationships in Australia and France.

    There is a direct relationship between economics and security.
  • damixaustex
    I don't think the Chinese have any interest in ruling America. We're talking about economies.
    It's be really nice to see some containers going back full for a change.
  • damixaustex
    I watched this interview in it's entirety. I highly recommend spending the 20 minutes. Soros makes some excellent points.

    For the record, he did not say China should lead a new world order. He said China should take a leadership role in a restructuring of economic interaction, and the G20 will help.

    His reasoning is that China has cash surplus. They hold much of the debt of the west, and they are forming "parallel relationships" now with emerging economies. The period of the "consensus" economy where the dollar is the center is drawing to a close.

    He says a lot of positive things about a new relationship with China. They will soon be leading the world in green technology and certainly be the largest consumer of it.
    Before everyone spouts off some patriotic BS, why not listen to the guy.

    So, you go to a poker game, you make some bad decisions, getting drunk and whatnot, and all your cash winds up in the other guys pile. You want it back. Do you piss and moan and cry foul or do you hone your game?
  • decora
    yeah. but uhm.

    china is a dictatorship with no human rights laws. their lead in green tech could be total bullshit, who knows? they sure dont care about 'greening' their dog food or baby milk or the poisons (lead, dioxin, PCB, mercury, etc) pouring out of their factories that would be illegal in the us.

    there is no independent media in china, there isnt even a legal system.

    how are they supposed to lead us into anything? the number one economic problem is not lack of cash, its lack of information, transparency, honesty, and truth. thats what led us into the crisis.
  • damixaustex
    When's the last time you went to China? It's changed quite a bit since the 60's ya know.
    You sound like Lou Dobbs.
    Are you Lou Dobbs? I thought so.
  • femtobeam
    China will not be leading the World in their own green technology; they are obtaining ours which is being given to them instead of resulting in a US economic generator in new renewable energy technology. Secretary Chu asked for proposals, obtained them and instead of funding small businesses in biofuels, set up a clearinghouse to transfer it to China. People responding to the DOE request for proposals signed away their rights when they did so. China has gone from number 7 in CO2 production to number 1 in the World since 1950. The US is number 2. We will be consumers of our own technology, manufactured now in China and imported into the US instead of the jobs and exports we might have had TO CHINA to try and equal out this horrific imbalance of trade. Now, where will Americans get the money for high electricity bills, new communications technology and support of the Chinese population in the consumption of goods? From the Chinese of course, who are more than happy to destroy our economy and exert their power over all of us economically and otherwise. If you lose playing games you quit playing games and do something more productive. Buy American!
  • damixaustex
    Hmm, Buy American, I agree.
    Just try to get Americans to do that and get back to me. Suggestion, try using a bullhorn outside a Walmart.

    Yes, China is snatching up technologies that come their way.

    Do you use Paper? Ink? Ceramic plates? Gunpowder? Wave you ever written anything? All Chinese technologies absorbed by the west.
  • femtobeam
    No thanks to the bullhorn. It is better to take a chance of getting a point across with a much wider audience like the Internet.

    China does not have technologies that just happened to “come their way”. They obtained them through deliberate industrial espionage, political and economic pressure. Examples are the Conficker Botnet, hacking into US Government Data Bases and the threat of withholding rare earth elements they have a monopoly on in exchange for one fair fix of tire tariffs by Obama.

    Paper and gunpowder maybe. Perhaps that is why there are only 10% of forests left and so many “gunpowder” injuries. Ceramic Egypt and ancient Amer-Indians also. In any event in the last 50 years most of what they have came from the West, including their education.
  • thefreedomship
    Uhhhmmm. What have we been saying to all of you people for so bloody long???

    NEW WORLD ORDER. Wake the hell up.
  • damixaustex
    And do what, have coffee? Got milk? Or anything besides wake up? Whattchya got?
  • femtobeam
    The New World Order will be run by a communications network, not by money. Soros is flat wrong about this direction as "The Story of Stuff" shows clearly. China is dominating the world by undercutting prices of goods with their massive population of cheap labor and loaning the US money to buy goods, most of which end up in the dumpster, polluting the world. It is also leading to the destruction of natural resources in deforestation, water pollution and chemical production.

    The NWO is based on destructive commerce not on human rights. In this area, with organ harvesting, China leads the World as the largest destroyer of Human Rights. The last thing the World needs is to be run by China, it will be the end of life itself. Instead, the NWO, led by Technocrats with World Saving intentions, need to take charge and stop this downward spiral of Economic Mass Destruction before it is too late. That endeavor must start with the communications technology itself, which runs banking, bombing, believing, business, borders and brains.

    With China producing most of the Worlds communications technology with their dependents in Indo-Asia and the addition of brain and body via embedded devices, our lives are now in danger and the main subject is no longer economics. The destruction of the Earth itself is at stake and a new economy based on achievements in science, technology, education, art and music and even sports must be pursued as "green" objectives to offset automation and polluting industries.

    Money is the Network now.

    Currencies are individual minds, talent and ownership of thought.

    There is nothing more important for progress than communications technology security in a brain interfaced society.
  • easterling
    Pssssst. Georgie Boy. They're F'ing Commies you reflexive douche' bag.
  • miggy
    What have have the NWO already achieved?
    1. Significant destruction of the family, with about 1/3 of children brought up without a father, and a massive communist-style benefits and support system to deal with the consequences
    2. Millions of people invited or allowed to enter the country, set up residence and create families of their own, adopting swathes of our cities, so retaining their own cultures and ways, this without integration and without adopting British lifestyles
    3. Foreign powers taking major stakes in companies, soon probably with controlling interests
    4. Huge benefits system with many in the population dependent on government handouts, making them reliant on this situation continuing
    5. Control of the media and school curriculum to weaken and indoctrinate the next generation so that the revolution will not be resisted
    6. A culture that does not encourage people to think what is happening in their own country
    7. And laws that are intended to avoid and suppress dissent, such as freedom of speech laws.
    Think again if you think they are not working towards a Global domination.
  • femtobeam
    Here Here!
  • OldAtlantic
    Why do they have the doctor signed birth certificate?
  • Satan
    Leave it to a rich douche to make the new world order about money.

    I propose that the new world order be about the people of this planet never again being subjected to violence for no other reason than their being a victim of world leaders ego's, petty whims and failed policies. No more power structures that resemble pyramids, no more, one asshole or a handful of assholes at the top. Kill them all.
  • Xcommunicate
    This is nothing short of economic treason.
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