NY Times: Is the CIA still hiding JFK assassination secrets?

By Muriel Kane
Friday, October 16th, 2009 -- 10:14 pm
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jfk jr NY Times: Is the CIA still hiding JFK assassination secrets?The CIA is fighting to prevent the release of hundreds of documents involving its funding of an anti-Castro group in New Orleans that engaged in well-publicized clashes with Lee Harvey Oswald in the summer of 1963.

The New York Times reported on Friday that the files "involve the curious career of George E. Joannides, the case officer who oversaw the dissident Cubans in 1963. In 1978, the agency made Mr. Joannides the liaison to the House Select Committee on Assassinations -- but never told the committee of his earlier role."

Joannides was the deputy director for psychological warfare at the CIA's Miami station, JM/WAVE, which was the center of anti-Castro activities in the early 60's and served as a spawning ground for figures who would later be involved in covert operations in Vietnam and in Iran-Contra. In 1963, Joannides worked closely with leaders of the the Directorio Revolucionario Estudantil and exercised a significant degree of control over the group's leaders.

Former Washington Post reporter Jefferson Morley has been engaged since 2001 in a battle to learn move about the dual role placed by Joannides, which has raised suspicions that he was part of a coverup. "I know there's a story here," Morley told the Times. "The confirmation is that the C.I.A. treats these documents as extremely sensitive."

In December 2007, a Court of Appeals panel ordered the CIA to reveal its files on Joannides, and some documents were released last year confirming Joannides' role in New Orleans. However, the CIA is still withholding or even refusing to confirm the existence of hundreds more.

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This past July, Morley wrote, "Last week, I did my part to hold the CIA accountable. I filed my sixth (!) declaration in connection with Morley v. CIA, my ongoing lawsuit against the agency seeking records related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. ... The Joannides file, say a diverse group of JFK authors, are part of the assassination story and should be made public. For six years, the CIA has refused, alleging their release would harm 'national security.'"

Morley's quest has gained prominent supporters, including even anti-conspiracy assassination scholar Gerald Posner, who believes that the CIA's secretiveness is feeding into conspiracy theories.

G. Robert Blakey, who served as staff director to the House Select Committee on Assassinations, told the Times, "If I’d known his role in 1963, I would have put Joannides under oath -- he would have been a witness, not a facilitator. ... How do we know what he didn’t give us?"

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  • clarencekale
    It is time to do some real reporting on the real history of George H.W. Bush including his extensive background in the CIA in the 1950s and 1960s and, more importantly, his bizarre actions on November 22, 1963 in (and around) Dallas, Texas. Bush 41's strange actions regarding the Kennedy assassination were discussed in The Nation Magazine years ago as a result of FBI memos. But his actions are extensively detailed in Russ Baker's recent book "Family of Secrets" which is about the Bush family. It is very disturbing and deserves much more attention.
  • Heil Mary
    ProudPrimate, remote viewer Sean David Morton told me that the Red Chinese have incriminating pics of Bush Sr. doing unseemly things to little Chinese girls when he was our U.S. envoy to China. I figured that whole fighter jet "loss" on Hainan was a planned treasonous giveaway staged to look like a dogfight just to protect Poppy Bush's "reputation". Morton's info was in response to my complaint about my ex-boyfriend bragging about running into Neil Bush in early 1993 in a Bangkok child brothel. Have you ever listened to blackopradio.com on JFK and related subjects? Great weekly shows with archives.
  • Heil Mary
    Remote Viewer Sean David Morton told me that the Red Chinese have incriminating pics of Bush Sr. doing unseemly things to little Chinese girls when he was our U.S. envoy to China. I figured that whole fighter jet "loss" on Hainan was a planned treasonous giveaway staged to look like a dogfight just to protect Poppy Bush's "reputation". Morton's info was in response to my complaint about my ex-boyfriend bragging about running into Neil Bush in early 1993 in a Bangkok child brothel. Have you ever listened to blackopradio.com on JFK and related subjects? Great weekly shows with archives.
  • Heil Mary
    ProudPrimate, thanks for the correction! Brad Friedman was the original interviewer of Ray McGovern on that topic. I listen to internet shows in my sleep and frequently switch back and forth between Malloy, Jones re-airs, and others. I'm pretty certain Jones' infowars posted an article on the scoop and Jones did interview McGovern a couple weeks later and probably brought it up.
  • Jones is far less likely to tolerate anything good being said about Obama, as here McGovern saying he has a right to be afraid of being shot. That is to some extent an exoneration for his not instantly repairing everything Bush did wrong and ruined. This of course is the chief complaint of the Libertarians. "Why is the world still the same mess Bush left it in?", all the while refusing to acknowledge the massive power structure who manipulated Bush the halfwit into that, what amounts to a military coup, not that it hadn't already progressed a long way down that road starting with 1947, but leaped and pole-vaulted starting in early 2001, the hot-doggers in the submarine, mostly Texans, all Republicans, recklessly surfacing and wrecking the Japanese merchant training ship in Honolulu harbor, the Ahime Maru, with a number of lives lost. Then there was the taunting of the Chinese and the subsequent loss of the fighter jet on Hainan island, complete with it's secret systems. I remember Robert Bartley of the WSJ drooling over the 2002 SOTU speech:
    VARNEY: Bob, you often called--in your columns in The Wall Street Journal, you have called for leadership from this president. Did you get it tonight?

    BARTLEY: Yes, I think so. I wrote on Monday that his problem was to maintain momentum, now that the war in Afghanistan is going into messy detail. And I think he did that. And he did that by making it pretty clear there's more war ahead, you know. This Enron story isn't going to last very long if we invade Iraq.


    Remember Enron?
  • johnhkennedy
    "Former CIA White House briefer Ray McGovern told radio host Alex Jones (and probably many others too) that Obama and his top staff, including Holder, have probably been threatened with assassination by the CIA. I suspect Ted Kennedy gave Obama similar warnings"

    The scary part is that we seem to live in a country where many/most Americans apparently tolerate the fact that the CIA regularly violates Federal Laws, assassinates people, disappears people, and Torturers.

    What will it take for the average voter to get involved and demand investigation and Prosecution of the Torture and other serious Federal Crimes?

    Perhaps when late some future evening at midnight, they come for your children or grandchildren! Your kids would probably appreciate you taking a stand Now!


    Put yourself out for the Truth.
    Get out in the streets in front of your Congressional Representative's office and raise hell.
    Start your own "prosecution" protest group.

    KEEP ASKING ALL POLITICIANS AT ALL PUBLIC EVENTS
    "WHY DO YOU SUPPORT TORTURE?"
    If they aren't actively calling for enforcement of our Federal Torture Laws, They DO Support Torture and a dual standard of Justice.

    SIGN THE PETITIONS
    Demanding prosecution for all those leaders in Bush's Administration that Conspired to Torture
    at


    ANGRYVOTERS.ORG



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  • allenallen
    Some little unconnected guy, with access to the internet and library books will finally figure out what happened with the JFK assassination. Does that sound reasonable to anyone? Still an interesting topic else I wouldn't have read this article (I can't help myself).

    Let me point out something though. Cede the point about Oswald being the single shooter... just for argument's sake. Ironically you go far deeper into frightening and conspiratorial territory that way. Why?

    Well, as Heil Mary points out... ask who owned the Book Depository? Who was Oswald's contact who got him the job there? Who changed the route? Who is that guy connected to? Why did Oswald have CIA pay records? What's his connection to ONI? Was that pro-Cuban leaflet stuff simply street theator? Check his relations to Jack Ruby. Read the other stuff Heil Mary brings up. What's Oswald's connection to the Gary Powers U-2 shoot-down? What was his previous intellegence background?

    Or... not. I switch off every other week and just think Oswald was a pissed off nut who was simply trying to shoot Governor Connolly (over a military pension dispute) and accidentally hit JFK. (Explains why he didn't take the best JFK shot when the car was near stopped, turning the corner, instead waiting until Connolly was no longer behind the windshield, -- taking a very difficult shot as the car moved away).

    But... do you get my point? The multiple shooter ideas keep people away from some big blaring problems about Oswald. All the time you spend demanding that people MUST SEE that an unusual event MUST act like an ideal physics experiment -- like hitting a billiard ball on a spring. That is not effective communication. People do not and will never feel confident to make a physics or medical assessment, no matter how cut and dried and conclusive it may seem to you.
  • As James Douglass makes clear in his amazing new book JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died And Why It Matters, Oswald was a crypto-clearance radio surveillance operator at Atsugi, Japan, focused on the U2 program before his defection. Col. L. Fletcher Prouty, liaison between the CIA and Joint Chiefs in the Kennedy years, makes the claim in one of his audio files at prouty.org (I'm almost sure that's where I heard it, because he states it in The Secret Team, or so says the reviewer) that Francis Gary Powers' U2 was somehow brought down over the USSR by the intention of the CIA, for the purpose of preventing the thing they most hate: PEACE! (Imagine Maynard Krebs saying "WORK!" and you'll get the picture. The downing of the U2 successfully scuttled the peace talks between Ike and Khrushchev. These are the same, or interlaced with, the Operation 40 crew, including H. L. Hunt, that Nixon and his mentor Allen Dulles had created.

    Anyway, Oswald, after being fully steeped in the finest points of the U2 program, which Ike knew was wrong but couldn't resist the temptation, suddenly shows up in Moscow, loudly and with larger than life gestures renouncing his US citizenship. Let me share a passage from this new book (p. 37, ff.):

    (I crashed the thread by trying to paste it in, so I'm linking to the section at my website.)
  • Fascinating —

    This post is shown over at UberVu, OK, but so are the three failed posts that preceded it. The massive long one that crashed this system, and the two shorter ones that still couldn't get in.

    Finally, I posted a reply of one single word! And that made it. After that, I could "Edit" that post and add the rest but thought it wise to avoid the whole bulky quote from the book.

    Curious, though, eh? If you crash a post, you can't correct it with edits on the hinterland echo sites, so watch out!!
  • As James Douglass makes clear in his amazing new book JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died And Why It Matters, Oswald was a Crypto-clearance radio surveillance operator at Atsugi, Japan, focused on the U2 program before his defection. Col. L. Fletcher Prouty, liaison between the CIA and Joint Chiefs in the Kennedy years, makes the claim in one of his audio files at prouty.org (I'm almost sure that's where I heard it, because he states it in The Secret Team, or so says the reviewer) that Francis Gary Powers' U2 was somehow brought down over the USSR by the intention of the CIA, for the purpose of preventing the thing they most hate: PEACE! (Imagine Maynard Krebs saying "WORK!" and you'll get the picture. The downing of the U2 successfully scuttled the peace talks between Ike and Khrushchev. These are the same, or interlaced with, the Operation 40 crew, including H. L. Hunt, that Nixon and his mentor Allen Dulles had created.
    Anyway, Oswald, after being fully steeped in the finest points of the U2 program, which Ike knew was wrong but couldn't resist the temptation, suddenly shows up in Moscow, loudly and with larger than life gestures renouncing his US citizenship. Let me share a passage from this new book:
  • Omigod — it finally showed up! But it's like it isn't mine, because I can't edit it. Otherwise I would remove or reduce it to a dot.

    Sorry for the double post, but it's out of my control.
  • As James Douglass makes clear in his amazing new book JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died And Why It Matters, Oswald was a Crypto-clearance radio surveillance operator at Atsugi, Japan, focused on the U2 program before his defection. Col. L. Fletcher Prouty, liaison between the CIA and Joint Chiefs in the Kennedy years, makes the claim in one of his audio files at prouty.org (I'm almost sure that's where I heard it, because he states it in The Secret Team, or so says the reviewer) that Francis Gary Powers' U2 was somehow brought down over the USSR by the intention of the CIA, for the purpose of preventing the thing they most hate: PEACE! (Imagine Maynard Krebs saying "WORK!" and you'll get the picture. The downing of the U2 successfully scuttled the peace talks between Ike and Khrushchev. These are the same Operation 40 crew, including H. L. Hunt, that Nixon and his mentor Allen Dulles had created.
  • As James Douglass makes clear in his amazing new book JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died And Why It Matters, Oswald was a Crypto-clearance radio surveillance operator at Atsugi, Japan, focused on the U2 program before his defection. Col. L. Fletcher Prouty, liaison between the CIA and Joint Chiefs in the Kennedy years, makes the claim in one of his audio files at prouty.org (I'm almost sure that's where I heard it, because he states it in The Secret Team, or so says the reviewer) that Francis Gary Powers' U2 was somehow brought down over the USSR by the intention of the CIA, for the purpose of preventing the thing they most hate: PEACE! (Imagine Maynard Krebs saying "WORK!" and you'll get the picture. The downing of the U2 successfully scuttled the peace talks between Ike and Khrushchev. These are the same Operation 40 crew, including H. L. Hunt, that Nixon and his mentor Allen Dulles had created.

    Anyway, Oswald, after being fully steeped in the finest points of the U2 program, which Ike knew was wrong but couldn't resist the temptation, suddenly shows up in Moscow, loudly and with larger than life gestures renouncing his US citizenship. Let me share a passage from this new book:


    One pawn in the Cold War who needed a way out before it was too late was a young ex-Marine, Lee Harvey Oswald.

    In following Kennedy's path through a series of critical conflicts, we have been moving more deeply into the question: Why was John F. Kennedy murdered? Now as we begin to trace Oswald's path, which will converge with Kennedy's, we can see the emergence of a strangely complementary question: Why was Lee Harvey Oswald so tolerated and supported by the government he betrayed?

    On October 31, 1959, Lee Harvey Oswald, who had been discharged two months earlier from the U.S. Marine Corps in California, presented himself at the American Embassy in Moscow to Consul Richard E. Snyder. Oswald said his purpose in coming was to renounce his U.S. citizenship. He handed Snyder a note he had written, in which he requested that his citizenship be revoked and affirmed that "my allegiance is to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics." According to the Warren Report, "Oswald stated to Snyder that he had voluntarily told Soviet officials that he would make known to them all information concerning the Marine Corps and his specialty therein, radar operation, as he possessed." To the Soviet officials who received his offer, Oswald said he "intimated that he might know something of special interest. "The Soviets had reason to think Oswald knew "something of special inter¬est."• From September 1957 to November 1958 Oswald had been a Marine Corps radar operator at Atsugi Air Force Base in Japan. Atsugi, located about thirty-five miles southwest of Tokyo, served as the CIA's main opera¬tional base in the Far East. It was one of two bases from which the CIA's top-secret U-2 spy planes took off on their flights over the Soviet Union and China. The U-2 was the creation of the CIA's Richard Bissell, also the main author of the Bay of Pigs scenario. Bissell worked closely on the U-2's Soviet overflights with CIA director Allen Dulles. Radar operator Oswald was a small cog in the machine, but he was learning how it worked. From his radar control room at Atsugi, where he had a "crypto" clearance (higher than "top secret"), Oswald listened regularly to the U-2's radio communications.

    After Atsugi, Oswald was reassigned as a radar operator to Marine Air Control Squadron No. 9 in Santa Ana, California, which was attached to the larger Marine Air Station in EI Toro. Oswald continued to have access to secret information that would have been of interest to a Cold War enemy. Former Marine Corps Lieutenant John E. Donovan, who was Oswald's officer in the Santa Ana radar unit, testified to the Warren Commission that Oswald "had the access to the location of all bases in the west coast area, all radio frequencies for all squadrons; all tactical call signs, and the relative strength of all squadrons, number and type of aircraft in a squadron, who was the commanding officer, the authentication code of entering and exiting the ADIZ, which stands for Air Defense Identification Zone. He knew the range of our radar. He knew the range of our radio. And he knew the range of the surrounding units' radio and radar. "

    However, Donovan's knowledge of Oswald's connection to the top-secret U-2 was clearly off limits for his Warren Commission questioners. Their avoidance of the U-2 puzzled Donovan. Wasn't Oswald's possible access to top-secret U-2 information a critical issue to probe in relation to his defection? Donovan told author John Newman years later that, at the end of his testimony, he asked a Warren Commission lawyer, "Don't you want to know anything about the U-2?" The lawyer said, "We asked you exactly what we wanted to know from you and we asked you everything we wanted for now and that is all. And if there is anything else we want to ask you, we will." Donovan asked a fellow witness who also knew Oswald's U-2 connection, "Did they ask you about the U-2?" He said, "No, not a thing."

    On May 1, 1960, six months after Oswald defected to the Soviet Union, a U-2 was shot down by the Soviets for the first time. The downing of the U2, piloted by Francis Gary Powers, wrecked the Paris summit meeting between President Eisenhower and Premier Khrushchev. Gary Powers later raised the question whether his plane may not have been shot down as a result of information Oswald handed over to the Soviets. Powers's question was at least reasonable. It reinforces the case that Oswald's volunteering all the information he had as a Marine radar specialist to the Soviets was an apparently criminal act.

    Yet when Oswald returned to the U.S. Embassy in Moscow after working for over a year at a Soviet factory in Minsk, he was welcomed back by American officials with open arms. Not only did the United States make no move to prosecute hirn, but the embassy gave hirn a loan to return to the country he had betrayed. The toleration of Oswald's apparent treason extended to his later obtaining a new passport overnight. On June 25, 1963, Oswald was miraculously issued a passport in New Orleans twenty-four hours after his application. He identified his destination as the Soviet Union. ISS

    After analyzing this strange history in her classic work on the Warren Commission, Accessories after the Fact, Sylvia Meagher concluded: "Decision after decision, the [State] Department removed every obstacle before Oswald-a defector and would-be expatriate, self-declared enemy of his native country, self-proclaimed discloser of classified military information, and later self-appointed propagandist for Fidel Castro-on his path from Minsk to Dallas."
  • martydidier
    President Kennedy was murdered by people with links to the CIA and others. This is expected to surface in the near future as it is tied in with a host of other issues that have been blocked for years and decades. Also, when the family I was in for more than 26 years finally surfaces and they start talking, everyone will hear many "official stories" that were actually setup lies. The family I was in aren't the only ones who know as most of this is widely understood by those involved. this includes detailed information on 911. They often bragged about the past successes as it seem to help build their moral and unify their groups so they feel empowered to want to work together as a team.

    Plus when this really gets going, everyone will learn that President Kennedy wasn't the only President who was assassinated by this group.

    Marty Didier
    Northbrook, IL
  • Savantster
    .
    So sad that the American Public is so mentally ill that it won't demand the truth be laid out in the light for all to see, but instead keeps accepting the "trust me" mantra from those perceived to be in the position of authority. We, the people, are the bosses. Now open the books or be fired.
  • OldAtlantic
    We the people are being fired by immigration as Peter Brimelow pointed out at Vdare.com.
  • katy
    How does the CIA tell Congress or the President what it will ar will not do? Why in the hell would WE put up with this? They do not rule, they are not kings. They are part of the civilian run government of this country.
  • relbelde
    CIA - the legitimized goons of America's corporate godfathers

    uppity Jack and Bobby were little capos messing with the big dons, the Dulles bros

    so things got a little messy in that turf war

    Camelot learned nothing from ol' daddy Joe Kennedy - bribes, knee-capping and get the unions behind ya
  • The point you make is quite valid, about the turf war. Allen and Foster Dulles were certainly the core of the power elite. But it is inaccurate to write off JFK as no more than a continuation of his father's rum-running Irish mafia days. I'm not certain that you actually mean to say that, but it would surprise me if many readers did get that impression.

    Reading JFK and the Unspeakable makes an abundantly solid case for Jack having enraged the war hawk community and their Military Industrial Complex money interests by his, to them, treasonous efforts at peace with Russia and Cuba, his back channel communications, especially his American University speech (q.g.), unannounced, that pledged to halt unilaterally the use of atmospheric testing of H-bombs. History shows that the Joint Chiefs and especially Curtis LeMay were seething with rage against him.

    The fact that he fired Allen Dulles for the Bay of Pigs fiasco can hardly be laid at the feet of a turf war mentality. He swore to "tear the CIA in a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds."
  • tacticalgrace
    It is pretty obvious at this point something is being covered up. How can the details of that cover up possibly be a threat to our national security at this point in time? I for one think this cover up is being done in the interest of suppressing a murder done by the intelligence community in the interests of the Power Elite that actually run this country. I would very much like to be proven wrong but it would seem that is not possible. Perhaps Mr. Stones interpretation was not a fiction after all,it sure is beginning to look that way.
  • amst
    No, this case is NOT over and done and will not be until America and the world know the truth. The sad thing is, so the CIA is holding records. And since when are they reliable???? They can adjust/amend as they wish, and like with JFK's murder, we are expected to fall hook line and sinker with whatever bogus BS they feed us? Not this time!

    As one who was around at that time, as I'm sure others here will agree, I'd love to know the TRUTH before I die. Sadly, all people who were involved or know something are getting older and older and fewer first hand reports will be available. Still, I remain hopeful that the world will know the truth.
  • Savantster
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    we likely will _not_.Why? when it gets that close to exposure, I suspect a lot of documents will go missing. There will be a martyr or patsy for the destruction of those documents and the truth will die.

    If the theory holds, there are are way too many powerful people that would be hurt by the release of this information, including those currently abusing the masses. What amazes me is, we believe some white trash hick killed his ex-wife for $30,000 in insurance money, but we don't dare ponder that those making billions upon billions would kill people who get in their way. For some reason, we accept that "dirty white trash" kills for peanuts, but "well to do robber barons" are above that kind of thing?
  • Hitler put it this way:
    All this was inspired by the principle--which is quite true in itself--that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. [Mein Kampf, ch. 10]

    Of course, he was ascribing it to "the Jews", but it was central to all the governing theory of Nazism.
    .
  • OldAtlantic
    Church Committee was just a conspiracy group.
  • davidrvelasquez
    No it wasn't.
    I knew people who were advisors to that committee who had careers in politics.
    I also knew researchers did excellant work contributing to the hearings.
    And one thing that I was told at the time was that there were obstacles put in their way...people from CIA friendly law firms constantly redirecting inquiries. Midway through the hearings it became pretty obvious that nothing substantial would be revealed or accepted by the Committee.

    This done just so conservative idiots could sleep at night believing that the US is a "democracy" or "the greatest country in the world"... and not have to deal with the responsibility of knowning or admitting that there had been a Coup D' etat and that our elected leader had been assassinated by a confederation of organised crime and independant military/intelligence contractors both foreign and domestic.
    Those that buy the handy readymade myths perpetuated by the M$M as it marginalizes the evidence. I remember the comments and criticisms of Oliver Stone's film JFK... and the criticisms never dealt with the evidence directly. All they have ever had were straw dog arguments and ad hominem attacks.
  • OldAtlantic
    Do you think there are any links between the people or law firms operating then and the bailout? Or the run up to the bailout?
  • davidrvelasquez
    Interesting question.
    Obviously all the players from those days are either dead or retired. But most likely some of those CIA front law firms still operate today. Occasionally (like during Watergate or Contragate scandals) some of them get exposed but unless they're implicated in a major way then probably it's business as usual.
    This does make me wonder. The CIA has always had their ways of getting supplemental non congressionally allocated funding;.. so the question sits in all these investment firm and bank bailouts are there CIA firms receiving inside info and having their own investment groups capitalizing to make profit from it? I'm inclined to think they would... would be interesting to find out
  • OldAtlantic
    I was being ironic in my original comment. As Savanster pointed out, the government prosecutes some conspiracies that are against the law. They still list Kissinger at Kissinger Associates. I wouldn't count all of the people out from that time. The trading angle is a good one. Maybe why the SEC went flat in the 1990's.
  • They got rid of Spitzer fast enough after his OpEd at WaPo of Feb 13, 2008, Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime
    How the Bush Administration Stopped the States From Stepping In to Help Consumers


    Oh, wait — that was the FBI. They began pursuit the day of the post, and nailed him 3 weeks later. Feet of clay . . .
  • They got rid of Spitzer fast enough after his OpEd at WaPo of Feb 13, 2008, Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime
    How the Bush Administration Stopped the States From Stepping In to Help Consumers


    Oh, wait — that was the FBI. They began pursuit the day of the post, and nailed him 3 weeks later. Feet of clay . . .
  • mattand
    Wheh. For a minute there, I thought Raw Story was publishing a post that would feed into its readers' unfortunate Beck-like desire to wallow in conspiracy theories, like vaccines cause autism, W planned 9/11, and such.
  • Savantster
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    Only an idiot thinks that moron W "planned" the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. He did, however, have foreknowledge of the attacks. The telling bit is that he sat, shitting himself in a "well, I guess it started" moment in front of a bunch of kids on national TV. There are several published bits of information from the time that also point to several other people "knowing" it was going to happen, and the long stream of documented irregularities in the attempt at a cover up.

    Conspiracies do in fact occur. We have laws punishing people for "conspiring", even if they get thwarted before the crime happens. Using it at a pejorative is like the right-wing using "liberal" as a dirty word. It connotes a dishonesty that undermines the entire fabric of our society.

    We, the people, own and run this country (in theory). The government has no fundamental right to hide "information" from the public; the only reason for them to do so is to protect themselves from exposure to the crimes they commit (in our names).
  • Savoir, c'est pouvoir, Savantster.
  • rebelde
    correction - not 'moron', but spineless sociopath douchey frat bully - remember, Prescott would beat the crap out of poppy, later, poppy'n'babs would beat and demoralize the living shit out of Dubya
  • sambaj
    Check out jfkmurdersolved.com for shocking details of the assassination. I'm surprised that
    the info contained at the site hasn't made it into the mainstream press.
  • Phil E. Drifter
    google Lyndon B. Johnson wink
  • Yep. Congressman Albert Thomas knew what was going on in that infamous picture. By the way, isn't that Bill Moyers at the far right side with the horn-rims?
  • Phil E. Drifter
  • moxaman
    Well if the CIA was innocent why are they trying to hide these documents? Just sayin....
  • Heil Mary
    Former CIA White House briefer Ray McGovern told radio host Alex Jones (and probably many others too) that Obama and his top staff, including Holder, have probably been threatened with assassination by the CIA. I suspect Ted Kennedy gave Obama similar warnings because of family experience -- the latest victim being JFK II who, according to Barry Chamish, used his APTLY-NAMED George magazine to expose Israel's assassination machine behind the Rabin murder and who probably also learned too many deadly Bush crime family secrets from his dinner with Castro. Daniel Hopsicker's latest installments on his Madcow Morning News site have more intriguing details on CIA-protected Naples drug trafficker Stephen Ruth bragging to police that his illegal 1969 flight to Cuba was to off a remaining member of the JFK hit team. Ruth's favorite airport was the notorious Venice airport where the 9/11 PATSY "terrorists" later trained. According to Hopsicker: ". . . Texas oilman General D. H. (Harry) Byrd, owner of a defense contractor which in the late 50's and early 60's built and launched Regulus II cruise missiles from the beach directly in front of the Venice Airport in a program run out of at Eglin AFB in Florida’s panhandle. . . . Byrd’s Chance-Vought Aircraft, later re-named LTV, would become—almost immediately after the JFK assassination—a principal beneficiary of the massive military spending accompanying the growth of American military involvement in the Vietnam War. General Byrd, of course, was the owner of the Texas School Book Depository in Dallas . . . . Byrd also ran the Texas and Louisiana Civil Air Patrol, at the same time cadets Barry Seal and Lee Harvey Oswald were meeting Kennedy assassination conspirator Capt. David Ferrie at a two-week summer camp of the Louisiana Civil Air Patrol at Barksdale Air Force Base in July of 1955. . . ." Bush, Sr.'s private phone number was found in assassinated Iran/contra drug smuggler Barry Seal's car. And E. Howard Hunt made a recorded death bed confession to his involvement in the JFK assassination. Unwrapping the CIA's various ugly Cuba/Columbia/Mexico/Florida/Louisiana/Texas operations would solve many organized crime, bank looting, false flag, war profiteering, treason, assassination and genocide sprees. Draining this swamp would also expose the treasonous, genocidal and pedophile rackets of the Bushes and the Vatican and their pivotal roles in pushing WWI, II, Vietnam, Gulf Wars I & II, and countless other conflicts. Also, I want to know why Marvin Bush's babysitter was crushed by her OWN "DRIVERLESS" car shortly after 9/11. What did she overhear about 9/11 that necessitated her murder?? Americans must demand the truth and the subsequent imprisonment and executions of all treasonous Vatican and Bush GENOCIDERS.
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