Judge: ‘Birther’ lawyer may have urged witnesses to lie on the stand

By Daniel Tencer
Thursday, October 29th, 2009 -- 2:21 pm
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A US District Court judge in California has dismissed one of "birther" leader Orly Taitz's lawsuits challenging President Barack Obama's right to be president, and expressed "deep concerns" that the lawyer urged witnesses in the case to perjure themselves.

Judge David O. Carter dismissed a lawsuit filed by Taitz on behalf of US Army Capt. Pamela Barnett, who had asked the court for the right to refuse military orders because she believes Obama was not born in the United States and therefore is not the legitimate commander-in-chief of the armed forces.

In his ruling (PDF), the judge said he dismissed the suit because allowing it to go forward would force the court "to disregard the limits on its power put in place by the Constitution; and to effectively overthrow a sitting president who was popularly elected by We the People‚ sixty-nine million of the people."

Judge Carter wrote: “In order for Plaintiffs’ alleged injury to be fully addressed, Plaintiffs would have the Court intervene, upheave the results of a national election, declare the President illegitimate, shut down the functioning of the government of the United States, and leave this country defenseless."

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As reported by David Weigel at the Washington Independent, the judge stated he had "received several sworn affidavits that Taitz asked potential witnesses that she planned to call before this Court to perjure themselves."

Judge Carter wrote:

This Court is deeply concerned that Taitz may have suborned perjury through witnesses she intended to bring before this Court. While the Court seeks to ensure that all interested parties have had the opportunity to be heard, the Court cannot condone the conduct of Plaintiffs’ counsel in her efforts to influence this Court.

As Rachel Slajda noted at TalkingPointsMemo, the judge poured heavy criticism on Taitz's actions during preliminary court proceedings.

"Plaintiffs have attacked the judiciary, including every prior court that has dismissed their claim, as unpatriotic and even treasonous for refusing to grant their requests and for adhering to the terms of the Constitution which set forth its jurisdiction," Carter wrote. "Respecting the constitutional role and jurisdiction of this Court is not unpatriotic."

Taitz had earlier declared that she planned to file an appeal if the case was dismissed, reports the Orange County Register.

As Weigel noted, of all of Taitz's lawsuits challenging President Obama, the Barnett case was the one that had gotten furthest through the legal system. Another of Taitz's lawsuits, in a federal court in Georgia, ended two weeks ago when the judge issued Taitz a $20,000 fine for ignoring court rules and filing "frivolous" lawsuits.

"Birthers" are already challenging the judge's ruling, and suggesting judicial impropriety in the matter. The birther-friendly news site WorldNetDaily ran a story on Thursday alleging that Judge Carter employs a court clerk who used to work for a law firm -- Perkins Coie -- that has defended the Obama administration in other "birther" suits.

BIRTHERS TURN ON O'REILLY

Fox News prime-time host Bill O'Reilly is the latest media target of the "birther" movement, after O'Reilly commented on Tuesday that he thinks the "birther" lawsuits are "crazy."

The off-the-cuff comment didn't go by unnoticed by Taitz's followers, and now they are planning a protest outside Fox news headquarters in New York on Veterans' Day.

On her Web site, Taitz wrote, "Keep in mind, what OReilly did, is more dangerous, more harmful then what some idiots like Rachel Maddow or Keith [Olbermann] did, since people believe O’Reilly to be fair and balanced."

Taitz told the news blog Conservative Monster that O'Reilly is "not a legitimate journalist" because he had not contacted her about the story he planned to air. Taitz "stated that if Fox gave her a 30-minute show for her to display her evidence, Obama would have to resign from office within 48 hours," the Web site reported.

The following video was uploaded to YouTube on October 28, 2009.

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  • georgehilborn
    As a lawyer who practices in Federal Court I think the Federal Bar should take this rogue unprofessional to task and see if we can get her admission taken away. permanently.

    The DOJ should consider prosecuting her if the Judge's suspicions are borne out. Morons like this are a disgrace to the profession.
  • SouthernYankee
    George, do you know if she got a degree online? No am serious.
  • idrobny
    a degree does not make her a practicing lawyer. did she pass a state bar exam? if so, which stae? if she has no license to practice in any state she has also committed a crime & is in contempt of court. didn't anyone think to ask that question ? do reporters do any research or does any idiot get to try cases in court?
  • piltdown
    Yes, she's a correspondence-course lawyer.

    http://acandidworld.com/2009/03/13/turnabout-is...

    Although Taitz is a member of the California Bar, she’s not listed as a member of the American Bar Association (check for yourself). Nor is her “law school” (William Howard Taft University) accredited by the ABA. Because Taft is a distance-learning school only, Taitz’s degree entitles her, at most, to practice in California, as her school candidly admits.
  • jefwallace
    Hi George.

    You are probably right. Her cases are probably garbage. Could you help me craft a serious case? Because it must be done. Obama must be compelled to release more than easily fabricated laser prints from 2001. Material witnesses for his actual birth and childhood should be subpoenaed; the Hawaii officials that issued these certificates should be put on the stand and made to explain the logic in their issuance, seeing as no claims to witnessing the original document have been made; we'll have to manage publicity etc.

    This is the only way to stop the insane war Obama has in mind. As events get more hectic, please keep this in mind - I would very much value your assistance in bringing the truth to light in this matter.
  • GunTotinLiberal
    The plaintiff has the burden of proof.
    Show up to court with some proof and then we can talk
  • OldAtlantic
    Shouldn't your biracial zero birth certificate god have the burden of proof? He is in the White House, doesn't he have the burden to prove he is eligible?
  • piltdown
    Yep. Obama's dad was a crafty one. Crafting his evil plan to place his "manchurian candidate" of a son into the home of a white woman, so that 40 years later, he would take over the world in the name of Islam!

    You need to lay off the drugs, they're making you paranoid.
  • jefwallace
    Great username, "piltdown".

    Because as you know, Obama is a HOAX.

    Right ?

    So, don't blame drugs.

    Obama's "dad" barely knew his mom. It is fun and entertaining to research these things. I grew up near FDR's home in Hyde Park. I *know* FDR was born in the USA. I would like to think Obamabots would have similar curiosity. Instead, they persist in throwing acid in the faces of those who would dare to ask - and never relent in asking until their thirst is quenched:

    SO WHERE IS THE CERTIFICATE THEN??

    Obama's dad was not the crafty one.

    The crafty ones were the same as those who told us about al qaeda in Fight Club before faking blowing up the Twin Towers with robot planes while really demolishing it with ridiculously high tech explosives, along with a third destroyed jet that was on its way to crash into WTC7 when the mission was aborted, at which time the perpetrators made the decision to "pull it"

    Kurt Cobain: "Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you.".
  • mariestella
    No. It's the law of the land and it is supposed to be the same for everybody. If you accuse the president of wrongdoing, YOU have the burden to prove it. When you live under a tyrant, you are guilty, until proven innocent. Thank God, we live in America.
    You have made an accusation. Now PROVE IT.
  • OldAtlantic
    We aren't accusing the president of fraud, we are accusing Obama of fraud.
  • mariestella
    Obama IS the president you loon. I remember he being worn by the Chief Justice of the Supreme court. You're accusing the president of committing fraud. You guys are unbelievable.
  • jefwallace
    ACTUALLY

    do you REMEMBER the swearing in ?

    and how it was DELIBERATELY BOBBLED ?

    and how they did a DO-OVER...

    WITHOUT A BIBLE ????

    i am serious

    there is some WEIRD MASONIC CRAP going on around Obama... and Do Your Research On Rahm Emmanual Ladies And Gentlemen
  • SouthernYankee
    jefwallace, come down please. If you remember it wasn't the president that screwed it up. It was the judge that screwed it up and the president corrected him and had the do over so the birthers couldn't say he wasn't president because he wasn't sworn in legally. Do you remember now?
  • jefwallace
    Hi ! :) I am glad you remembered !

    I'm just saying - that was WEIRD. This is not some major plank in my theory.... except to say, it just contributes to the overall aura of illegitimacy, don't you think ?

    well, so if the "birthers" are mostly christian types, why no bible at the do-over ?

    the birthers and "radical christian loons" are two different things, no matter how much they are conflated in the mainstream media.

    but wouldn't such a muff - no bible at the do-over - literally be CALCULATED to anger the radical christian loons ? who, by the way, are often armed.
  • SouthernYankee
    Hi jefw, glad your back. The President did use the bible. He used President Lincoln's bible. Do you remember now? Please don't start me on the religious right party. That is the new name I have come with sort of. The new party should be called Conservative Religious Party. Period. Momma Quitter Palin is the new leader. God help us. But I believe in god but I am not much of the bible thing. People read what they want to read in the bible. To be honest all through history you can see how people kill each other in the name of god. I don't go for that.
  • jefwallace
    To me, the radical christian loons are like a wound up coil that is getting ready to spring and unleash. It is very scary.

    Christians Serving Satan is what I would call their party, actually. Because whatever they are calling their deity, it most certainly is killing and enslaving a lot of people, more every day we keep bombing.

    Again I confess to not being an expert on the swearing in ceremony - I just could have sworn I recalled the do-over not having a bible. I'll look that up at some point today.

    Do you know about Sarah Palin and how she was bred as a Dominionist ? Have you heard about Joel's Army ? More fun stuff to google ! :P Seriously, she is a theocratic fascist, and her image has been crafted to map onto the role of a pagan goddess.
  • SouthernYankee
    No you got that wrong. Bush was the fraud. He stold the election in 2000. Obama won BY A MANADATE.
  • jefwallace
    Right !

    BUT OBAMA WAS NOT BORN IN THE UNITED STATES !

    A different KIND of fraud... BUT STILL FRAUD !
  • SouthernYankee
    So besides calling the republican governor of Hawaii a liar what other proof do you have?
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