Judge: ‘Birther’ lawyer may have urged witnesses to lie on the stand

By Daniel Tencer
Thursday, October 29th, 2009 -- 2:21 pm
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A US District Court judge in California has dismissed one of "birther" leader Orly Taitz's lawsuits challenging President Barack Obama's right to be president, and expressed "deep concerns" that the lawyer urged witnesses in the case to perjure themselves.

Judge David O. Carter dismissed a lawsuit filed by Taitz on behalf of US Army Capt. Pamela Barnett, who had asked the court for the right to refuse military orders because she believes Obama was not born in the United States and therefore is not the legitimate commander-in-chief of the armed forces.

In his ruling (PDF), the judge said he dismissed the suit because allowing it to go forward would force the court "to disregard the limits on its power put in place by the Constitution; and to effectively overthrow a sitting president who was popularly elected by We the People‚ sixty-nine million of the people."

Judge Carter wrote: “In order for Plaintiffs’ alleged injury to be fully addressed, Plaintiffs would have the Court intervene, upheave the results of a national election, declare the President illegitimate, shut down the functioning of the government of the United States, and leave this country defenseless."

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As reported by David Weigel at the Washington Independent, the judge stated he had "received several sworn affidavits that Taitz asked potential witnesses that she planned to call before this Court to perjure themselves."

Judge Carter wrote:

This Court is deeply concerned that Taitz may have suborned perjury through witnesses she intended to bring before this Court. While the Court seeks to ensure that all interested parties have had the opportunity to be heard, the Court cannot condone the conduct of Plaintiffs’ counsel in her efforts to influence this Court.

As Rachel Slajda noted at TalkingPointsMemo, the judge poured heavy criticism on Taitz's actions during preliminary court proceedings.

"Plaintiffs have attacked the judiciary, including every prior court that has dismissed their claim, as unpatriotic and even treasonous for refusing to grant their requests and for adhering to the terms of the Constitution which set forth its jurisdiction," Carter wrote. "Respecting the constitutional role and jurisdiction of this Court is not unpatriotic."

Taitz had earlier declared that she planned to file an appeal if the case was dismissed, reports the Orange County Register.

As Weigel noted, of all of Taitz's lawsuits challenging President Obama, the Barnett case was the one that had gotten furthest through the legal system. Another of Taitz's lawsuits, in a federal court in Georgia, ended two weeks ago when the judge issued Taitz a $20,000 fine for ignoring court rules and filing "frivolous" lawsuits.

"Birthers" are already challenging the judge's ruling, and suggesting judicial impropriety in the matter. The birther-friendly news site WorldNetDaily ran a story on Thursday alleging that Judge Carter employs a court clerk who used to work for a law firm -- Perkins Coie -- that has defended the Obama administration in other "birther" suits.

BIRTHERS TURN ON O'REILLY

Fox News prime-time host Bill O'Reilly is the latest media target of the "birther" movement, after O'Reilly commented on Tuesday that he thinks the "birther" lawsuits are "crazy."

The off-the-cuff comment didn't go by unnoticed by Taitz's followers, and now they are planning a protest outside Fox news headquarters in New York on Veterans' Day.

On her Web site, Taitz wrote, "Keep in mind, what OReilly did, is more dangerous, more harmful then what some idiots like Rachel Maddow or Keith [Olbermann] did, since people believe O’Reilly to be fair and balanced."

Taitz told the news blog Conservative Monster that O'Reilly is "not a legitimate journalist" because he had not contacted her about the story he planned to air. Taitz "stated that if Fox gave her a 30-minute show for her to display her evidence, Obama would have to resign from office within 48 hours," the Web site reported.

The following video was uploaded to YouTube on October 28, 2009.

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  • MarieDevine
    They should have concentrated on the SSS Registration and report that appears to be created in 2008 to appear as though it was from 1980 to deceive voters he was an American citizen. He did not have to register in 1980 if he was an Indonesian citizen on a student visa; that would have made him ineligible. That would be why he is hiding his school, health and passport records as well as full birth information.
    “LP Beria, Psycho-Politics Address on Health Care and Control” at Lenin University and “45 Goals For the Take Over of America” and evidences on the SSS Registration are seen at http://www.divine-way.com. Goal is control of banks, media and medical professions etc. That would get more people behind the investigation.
    Now we can pray, register to vote and vote the way we were supposed to, against anti-God ways. We can kindly and respectfully tell the president he has been deceived; what he has been told will produce great peace and equality can only produce enslavement, disease, death, fear, anger and oppression. It is no joy to rule over that. Only a garden paradise lifestyle can solve the world problems before we destroy ourselves. It would be a joy to be part of bringing that in.
    Marie Devine
    http://www.divine-way.com
    God has solutions to world problems we created by ignoring His wisdom.
  • jefwallace
    AMAZING.

    GREAT INFORMATION.

    THANK YOU.

    So his Selective Service registration is off.

    WOW. ANOTHER PLANK IN THE CASE.
  • GunTotinLiberal
    A simple Google search would show you that this "plank" has already been shown to be bogus.
    Additionaly, if you just thought a little harder, selective service does not care if one is a Natural born citizen or a naturalized citizen, so using such documents for your case is pointless.
    But don’t take my word for it, call them yourself
    847-688-6888

    ps Do you know gullible is not in the dictionary?
  • jefwallace
    Thanks so much - I want to also apologize for being so afraid of your username earlier, you have been a fount of good information on this thread.
  • allenallen
    Where's the MONEY coming from? Is Taitz independently wealthy? Does she work this in in her spare time off whatever other lawyering she may do for money? News people... ask her where the money comes from.
  • jefwallace
    Much easier and more relevant for news people to ask Obama where his birth certificate actually is, right? Much more to the point.
  • allenallen
    Why the hell in the ding-dong world would they do that? Next you'd want them to ask McDonalds if their hamburgers are really made of worms? Or what other crazy rumor do you want ligitamate news people to run off on an errand for crazy rumor mongers?

    And... for your second statement: Much more to what point?
  • OldAtlantic
    At this point, everyone knows Obama doesn't have a doctor signed birth certificate from a hospital in the US.
  • SouthernYankee
    Do you have one? Every birth certificate I have seen doesn't have that information on what they provide the family. Am telling you I was born in PA, my son was born in Md, and my grandchild was born in Tn. None of the birth certificate have that information on what the give the parents. None. Why all of sudden with this president you are so concerned about? He provided what every other candidate provides. Why is it different? Maybe because some of you can't take it that he is black and white. Just a thought.
  • GunTotinLiberal
    And your proof is.....?
  • GunTotinLiberal
    It should be very interesting to see exactly how many or Orly’s supporters turn up at this protest. My guess it will slightly less than the number that showed up at the Ed Sullivan Theater a few months ago that tried, with no success, to get Dave Letterman fired.
  • DownriverDem
    Wow. These folks are so nuts I'm glad they are part of the GOP.

    W was installed by the Supreme Court. If you knew the level of disgust that those of us who voted for Gore felt you could cut it with a knife. We had to suffer and know that this was a political coup. W will go down in history as an unduly elected president. It seems that Repubs can't win unless they cheat.

    I sure wish the GOP would hurry up and totally implode so we don't have to see and hear all the right wing crazies that have taken over their party. The lack of facts and critical thinking skills of these folks is so outragous.
  • hneftafl
    I think Papa Bear just lost half his audience.
  • jefwallace
    screw o'reilly. he works for rupert murdoch.

    the CLASS WAR is not because of right versus left. it is between those at the APEX and those of us in the rest of the pyramid.
  • DownriverDem
    The class war has more to do with the shrinking middle class in this country. By making unions the enemy, folks didn't realize how this destroyed the middle class. And that is exactly what the GOP wanted and did do since so many white folks bought into Reagan and the rest of the GOP plans.

    How do ya like it now? No middle class means folks will have to work so hard just to live that they won't have anytime to pay attention to what the government is doing.

    I hope all you Reagan lovers realize just what started with him and continued through the intellectually challenged W. We are reaping what we have sown, but I doubt if most Americans have the critcal thinking skills to figure it out.
  • billyshake
    Well, if there's a "class war" going on, amigo, I'd say one side is getting thoroughly ass-handed. But it's hard to know you're in a war when all you care about is watching American Idol and wearing the right brand of sneakers.
  • starvapor
    Why the judge hasn't compelled a psychiatric review of this Birther loon only makes the judicial system look worse than it already is for allowing this case to go on as long as it has.
  • DownriverDem
    Our judicial system is civil and has to follow court rules. So no, this does not make the system look worse. It makes it clear that all can have a voice, but must follow the rules.
  • starvapor
    The judicial system makes itself look bad here because court rules that are supposed to be in place to sort out this kind of frivolous litigation, apparently aren't being decisively and expeditiously applied in this instance, as evidenced by the fact that this loon barrister is still practicing law.
  • leathersmith
    I needed a funny good-night story to go to bed with
  • SouthernYankee
    Hey leather, so you looked in the mirror huh? I
  • rickahyatt
    The real reason for all the high-pressure tactics to keep Obama's true mixed-race and true birth certificate squelched is because he shares the same bio-father and I and other "Manchurian Candidates" do. (On the white side)
    Former Ministerium Fuer Staasscherheit (Stasi) Master Spy Markus Wolf (A master of false documentation and crafted Legends) had Celiac's disease (He told me), a particular
    gift for espionage operatives, and he used his resources to pick
    women of the same genetics, in order to create proverbial "Manchurian
    Candidates." That he had intended to run on a life-long operation of
    the destruction of western capitalism by subversion from within. (See my website)
    But I was used by US Agencies in the '70's to lure him to the West, where he was
    "Turned," from the East, by placing me in US Army M.I. & sending me to
    Germany. He became a "Consultant" for the US since, drawing out the enemy agenda in advance, and drew up the Patriot Act, for example.
    Every future Obamamania theme was preempted in advance by the CIA and the Bushes.
    A lot of other spies were lured out, too.
    Gen. Wolf was gifted in many things, to include applied psychology, and PSYOPS, (He designed many of our anti-war songs - Peter, Paul & Mary...) but his medical expert for personal terror and assassination was apparently a former Nazi SS Munthausen concentration camp Doctor "Death," Aribert Heim.
    But only now can I share my entire genetic "Espionage family" with the world:
    http://www.rickhyatt.freeservers.com

    "Telling the truth during times of universal deceit will be a
    revolutionary act." George Orwell, "1984"
  • DownriverDem
    Trust me. Folks who believe that Obama is not an American citizen, will never understand what you are saying.

    Most Americans do not have the critical thinking skills needed to figure out the health care debate let alone what you are saying.

    Most folks educated from the 1970s on are sorely lacking in the skills to participate in a democracy. Their text books were lacking much of the struggles of our country's people. This is why all the dumb stuff that the GOP yells out about Obama and his administration are taken as truth because the folks loving Fox are, sad to say, not very smart.
  • jefwallace
    We totally agree,

    because I think it was Obama's supporters who were lacking in critical thinking skills when they backed him so fervently without looking into his past or the nature of his handlers or his ties to Zbigniew Brzezenski, the Democratic edition of Henry Kissenger, who literally wrote the foundation document for the Project for the New American Century, who wants to dominate the world militarily.

    So it is MY OWN SIDE that didn't do the critical thinking. It is DEMOCRATS who will not do the research, look for the documents, marvel at their utter absence, yell insults instead. "Whatever."
  • rickahyatt
    The real reason for all the high-pressure tactics to keep Obama's true mixed-race and true birth certificate squelched is because he shares the same bio-father and I and other "Manchurian Candidates" do. (On the white side)
    Former Ministerium Fuer Staasscherheit (Stasi) Master Spy Markus Wolf (A master of false documentation and crafted Legends) had Celiac's disease (He told me), a particular
    gift for espionage operatives, and he used his resources to pick
    women of the same genetics, in order to create proverbial "Manchurian
    Candidates." That he had intended to run on a life-long operation of
    the destruction of western capitalism by subversion from within. (See my website)
    But I was used by US Agencies in the '70's to lure him to the West, where he was
    "Turned," from the East, by placing me in US Army M.I. & sending me to
    Germany. He became a "Consultant" for the US since, drawing out the enemy agenda in advance, and drew up the Patriot Act, for example.
    Every future Obamamania theme was preempted in advance by the CIA and the Bushes.
    A lot of other spies were lured out, too.
    Gen. Wolf was gifted in many things, to include applied psychology, and PSYOPS, (He designed many of our anti-war songs - Peter, Paul & Mary...) but his medical expert for personal terror and assassination was apparently a former Nazi SS Munthausen concentration camp Doctor "Death," Aribert Heim.
    But only now can I share my entire genetic "Espionage family" with the world:
    http://www.rickhyatt.freeservers.com

    "Telling the truth during times of universal deceit will be a
    revolutionary act." George Orwell, "1984"
  • jefwallace
    MAYBE

    JUST MAYBE

    HE WAS JUST ***POSING*** TO HAVE TURNED !!

    AND HE WORKED FOR THE STASI, EMBEDDED HERE IN THE USA, 'TIL THE END.

    HENCE, the communist take over of the USA, just as the science fiction of Philip K Dick predicted !!!!!!!
  • cameramandavid
    Why is this Batshit crazy bitch allowed to persist?? Hasn't any one of the birthers considered that the NSA wouldn't allow him to see all our National Secrets unless they had vetted him??
  • jefwallace
    Best argument I have seen so far, David.

    However, the NSA is obviously embedded in the Grand Unified Conspiracy. They work for Cheney, as does Obama.
  • socialismorbust
    "STREET CORNER BERTHA/BIRTHER" JUST WON'T GO AWAY....
  • OldAtlantic
    Isn't a president who lies more important? Obama certified under penalty of perjury that he was a natural born citizen when he is really a natural born fraud.
  • SouthernYankee
    So its been proven that Obama didn't lie. Yet Bush/Cheney lied to get us in a war in Iraq that has killed over 4,000 of our soldiers and you think that is ok with you? Is that your twisted nazi thinking?
  • jefwallace
    He said he was anti-war.

    We shall see. I am praying that the Afghanistan decision will be "pull out". I am not holding my breath.

    If he ups the war, though, I can honestly say that I feel that he lied to you and me that he represented any sort of "change" in how we interact with the rest of the world.
  • SouthernYankee
    You got to give the man a chance jef. Bush sent the troops in Afghanistan and had a chance to get B.L. in Tora Bora and he backed off. Then what did he do. He moved troops from there and sent them to Iraq for oil. I mean Bush and Cheney should be proscuted as traitors. Iraq never attacked the US. We lost over 4,000 soldiers and untold civilians just in Iraq. Now you want Obama to pull everything back. I agree with you and I am sure so does Obama. But if you know anything about the military and its mission you have to pull out the right way or you will end up with what happened at the end of VN conflict. That was a hugh disaster. He needs to study the issues and make the right decisions of the mission and the troops. If you don't you could end up killing more soldiers than necessary.
  • GunTotinLiberal
    Once again you need to be told that the burden of proof rests on the plaintiff. Anyone that went to law school, took high school level civics or watched an hour of the People’s Court knows this. If there is evidence that supports your claim then you need to, as they say, shut up or put up.
  • SouthernYankee
    GunTotin, OA and Oily are in love. He is the nazi and she is the commie. A relationship made in hell.
  • OldAtlantic
    To libs the father figure is a Nazi. That is because the loving provision of defense and discipline is identified with the father who is identified with Nazis. That is why protecting us from 3rd world DNA is identified as Nazi, because its seen by libs as a designated Nazi job.
  • SouthernYankee
    Well someone said your on a nazi website, is it true? It the republican party that has dumb down sweetie. You need to see who your leader is Momma Quitter Palin, you betcha? How many colleges did she go to? Fox is good at getting the uneducated.
  • OldAtlantic
    Obama has the burden in claiming the presidency.
  • GunTotinLiberal
    Correct. And seeing how he got more votes than his opponent it appears his claim is valid.
  • OldAtlantic
    How about the following amendment to the health care bill:

    The state of Hawaii shall release the Obama file in 30 days. If there is not a doctor signed birth certificate from Kapiolani Medical Center for Obama then the bill is void. Also Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard shall release all records. If in any of his application materials he said he was a citizen or eligible as a citizen of a country other than the United States, even if also of the US, then the bill is void. In any of those cases of being void, Obama is impeached and removed from office. By signing the bill Obama agrees to the legislation.

    How about inserting that language as a condition of ending a filibuster?
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