Blogger: US air strikes kill ‘exactly 30′ enemies every time

By Daniel Tencer
Friday, December 11th, 2009 -- 12:24 pm
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iraqairstrikeoperationswarm Blogger: US air strikes kill exactly 30 enemies every timeWhen it comes to air strikes against the Taliban, there's something about the number 30, says the Security Crank blog.

The unnamed military affairs blogger has published a list of recent air strikes against militants in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and an amazing pattern has emerged: It seems that just about every time an air strike is reported in the news, the Taliban casualty figure cited is 30.

Citing the Moon of Alabama blog, which made a similar argument this spring, Security Crank linked to 12 news reports of separate air strike incidents since the start of the year in which the number of Taliban or insurgent casualties was reported to be 30, in most cases citing US military officials.

Not 29, not 31. Thirty.

What does this mean? For the Security Crank, it means we just shouldn't believe the numbers.

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How could we possibly have any idea how the war is going, here or anywhere else, when the bad guys seem only to die in groups of 30? The sheer ubiquity of that number in fatality and casualty counts is astounding, to the point where I don’t even pay attention to a story anymore when they use that magic number 30. It is an indicator either of ignorance or deliberate spin … but no matter the case, whenever you see the number 30 used in reference to the Taliban, you should probably close the tab and move onto something else, because you just won’t get a good sense of what happened there.

Megan Carpentier, writing at Air America, believes there's more to this than just fudged numbers. Carpentier points to a story in the Los Angeles Times this past summer that reports that the US has, or at least had, during the Bush administration, a policy of requiring the secretary of defense to sign off on any air strike that was likely to kill more than 30 civilians.

The Times reported:

In a grisly calculus known as the "collateral damage estimate," US military commanders and lawyers often work together in advance of a military strike, using very specific, Pentagon-imposed protocols to determine whether the good that will come of it outweighs the cost.

We don't know much about how it works, but in 2007, Marc Garlasco, the Pentagon's former chief of high-value targeting, offered a glimpse when he told Salon magazine that in 2003, "the magic number was 30." That meant that if an attack was anticipated to kill more than 30 civilians, it needed the explicit approval of then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld or President George W. Bush. If the expected civilian death toll was less than 30, the strike could be OKd by the legal and military commanders on the ground.

Carpentier posits that 30 remains the magic casualty number for the Pentagon to this day, and implies that the casualty numbers are being fudged so that they are "acceptable" to the public.

"That PR calculus of how many deaths matter to the average American has apparently carried over from the Bush Administration to the Obama Adminstration, at least insofar as ground commanders are concerned," she writes.

But Carpentier's argument raises as many questions as it answers. For one, the Rumsfeld-era casualty policy applied to civilian casualties, not insurgent casualties. Yet the series of news reports this year cite the 30 number for Taliban casualties, and cite varying figures for civilian casualties, if any are cited at all. It would be hard to argue that the Pentagon believes the American public can only stomach 30 Taliban casualties at a time.

So the likelier explanation is that the Pentagon doesn't know how many insurgents were killed -- perhaps because distinguishing insurgents from civilians is no easy task. And the 30 number seems like a safe bet: High enough to justify the air strike, but not so high as to seem suspicious or overblown.

Of course, that's all just speculation. So long as military officials continue to insist that it's destroying the Taliban exactly 30 insurgents at a time, there won't be much the public will be able to glean from the gory reports of death and destruction in Central Asia.

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  • David
    With all the 1000 to 2000 page bills passing against the public's will, and by taking away our rights, freedoms, and liberties, we need to send these same military commanders to WDC. Let me see, 535 + 2, is 535 congressmen, one prez and one vp, divided by 30 equals, 17.9 missile strikes against WDC to make them let go of the corporate lobbyists bribes, graft, under the table sweet heart deals and generous employment after the stint in WDC as they know all the charaters in the cast who make law. We need to make a law against career politicians, one term and your out, or we will run you out of town.
  • Cool Hand Luke
    I'd say thirty, because it's a nice even number.
  • tednarcotic
    Back during the Vietnam war the estimates were really high.Let's get those estimaters on the job and in a few weeks it can be reported that we killed everyone and then we can come home with our heads held high.
  • Lance Winslow
    Is it possible that the Taliban thinks it has a friend in President Obama, and therefore doesn't want to place the blame on him knowing that he'd have had to sign off on it. So they keep the number at the limit, because they do not wish to hurt Obama's credibility because any other president would be far harder on them, in the Taliban's estimation? Is the Taliban trying to get that number lowered in the future by maxing it out in all the reports? After all the bureaucracy of needing additional okay'ed orders is hurting the US's ability to counteract Taliban insurgents in various villages?
  • That's why I've been saying for years, I don't believe these suicide bomber reports, either. I think the U.S. and Israel are simply blowing off bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan and saying it's suicide bombers.

    Now they'll say "40" because we snagged them. We should've let them keep saying "30" for so long that it was ridiculous.
  • Think about it: how do they instantly know it's a suicide bomber? Everyone including the supposed bomber is blown to a million pieces. No one can see, there's only a flash. Did you ever see a video of a bomb really going off? There's just a huge flash. Was someone watching a person blow up? That's impossible. You'd only see a huge flash, if you lived to tell about it. We're doing it, there's no suicide bombers, or at least there's hardly any.

    And who are they people saying they saw and know it's a suicide bomber? Ever notice, it just says: "Suicide Bomber kills 30". It doesn't say who saw it, or provide any proof.

    If you SAW a suicide bomber ahead of time and knew it, you STILL wouldn't clearly see where the huge flash started. It's impossible. And who knows the suicide bomber to begin with? No one. So it's impossible to say: "Suicide bomber kills 30". That's my opinion on the fake suicide bombers that the U.S. and Israel are really doing.
  • Rolfey
    It's often very easy to see.
    The torso is blown away, but the head and shoulders normally stay in one part and the legs another. Its elementary blowing-stuff-up theory and reality, the same technique you use when cutting for instance a construction.

    To me you look like a jerk stating onions about stuff you know nothing about.

    Reg. ;-)
  • tednarcotic
    Ok Big Dan, you make a valid point. There may be something simple to answer the how of it. That is, who was the killer. But I don't buy your premise for a political reason that I imagine might be true. I think that the fact that it was a suicide bomber makes our side seem innefective and helpless. It would be better propaganda to say that the enemy is sneaky and cowardly and not very commited to the fight. When they just die on purpose like that, some people might see that as an example of unbeatable resolve. I think that suicide would be a bad spin. I mean that says that they mean business, they are desperate, and if resolve wins the day, then the suicide bombers will win eventually. Why would our government tell a lie that makes these wars seem even more impossible than they already do?
  • dennycrane
    Sort of like the "original" Manchurian Candidate movie when that fucked up senator gives out the "numbers" of commies in the government.
  • DickTater
    I always notice when there are american casualties that the numbers always seemed to be reported (in Iraq anyways) as 4 or 8 or 12....but never more than 12. The whole while the US racked up 4000 plus deaths in Iraq, the numbers were always (in my opinion) cooked to minimize. They seemed to spread them out over a couple of days, and the numbers were always in the 4,6,8,10, or 12. To me, they were metering out our dead count as a way of ameliorating the trauma that knowing 16 or 35 US people were killed, and of course they would never come up with consecutive days of real bad news....where 12 were killed one day, 16 the next, 10 the next. No, they would turn that into 4's and 8's spread out over 10 days. I have not done any serious tabulations or reporting on this....but I definitely spotted the trend as it was happening.
  • thomas jefferson
    a focus group buried some where deep in the pentagon has determined that the number 30 is just right for the american mouth breahers to swallow as the truth.

    10 nope, 20 forget it, 30 Bingo!!! 40 ouch 50 horrible.

    It's not so small as to appear that the missles aren't doing anything and it's not too big to appear as if they missles are doing to much damage.

    30. Juuuuuuuuust right for the American moron to digest as the corrent number of dead their anticeptic bubble protected living in plastic brains can handle.

    Because, you know, war is so dirty and ugly went arm chair generalling from 8 thousand miles away.

    we are miserable creatures.
  • Paul
    They pull the trigger but YOU pay for it.

    There's blood on your hands too, hypocrites!!
  • truthops2010
    Paul, now we know that people imprisoned for tax evasion get access to computers and the internet, and time to blog.
  • NadePaulKuciGravMcKi
    PS

    They always assassinate "high level" members...

    Sure are a lot of "high level"
  • Satan
    Nice story, and if you go to google news and type 'taliban 30', a huge number of stories appear.
  • Pseudolus
    Kind of makes the wretches who operate these drones like the thugs who poured the open cans of Zyklon-B into the gas chambers in concentration camps, doesn't it. You fill the shower room with an acceptable number of humans then you commence the execution.
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