GOP ‘dividing apples by oranges’ to create bogus stimulus figures, AP says

By The Associated Press
Monday, November 2nd, 2009 -- 8:14 am
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060208 boehner vmed 10a.widec GOP dividing apples by oranges to create bogus stimulus figures, AP saysWASHINGTON — Beware the math. Some Republican lawmakers critical of President Barack Obama's stimulus package are using grade-school arithmetic to size up costs and consequences of all that spending. The math is satisfyingly simple but highly misleading.

It goes like this: Divide the stimulus money spent so far by the estimated number of jobs saved or created.

That produces a rather frightening figure on how much money taxpayers are spending for each job.
On Friday, the White House released estimates that $160 billion in stimulus spending created or preserved 650,000 direct jobs.

By the critics' calculations, that's over $246,000 a job – and a terrible deal for taxpayers. Why spend nearly $250,000 to employ a highway worker or a teacher making a small fraction of that?
The reality is more complex.

First, the naysayers' calculations ignore the value of the work produced.

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Any cost-per-job figure pays not just for the worker, but for material, supplies and that worker's output – a portion of a road paved, patients treated in a health clinic, goods shipped from a factory floor, railroad tracks laid.

Second, critics are counting the total cost of contracts that will fuel work for months or years and dividing that by the number of jobs produced only to date.

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  • nobodyforpresident
    Republican math got us into this shit hole in the first place.
  • rickpetes
    Come on. How is this a surprise? Republicans and their base are proud to be uneducated. So, who would expect them to understand accounting and math?
  • trevinla
    we spend $1million/soldier in Afghanistan

    we spend $250,000/job in USA

    to me it looks like we get 4 jobs for every $1mil spent on AMERICAN rebuilding vs 1 Job for every $1mil spent on war...

    Do you like math? how is that math, Republicans?
  • vietnow
    Here in lies the problem...

    you blame Republicans.. (I assume you are a democrat.)

    What you have not yet grasped is... BOTH TEAMS SUCK!!..

    Its the Dem's war now.. they own it... THEY are killing people , and blowing $$Billions$$$ , at just about the same pace the Replugs were..
  • DownriverDem
    Are you serious? Dump everything on Obama and now blame him for not fixing the mess your side created in 8 months?

    Where are your critical thinking skills?
  • vietnow
    Obama voted FOR funding the war(s) every time. (even as senator) .. Congress can stop the war(s) at any time by de-funding them...

    He single handed-ly has the power to stop war(s) with a single pen stroke, yet (we) still war onward...


    Here is some Ugly math : Obama = Bush = Clinton = Bush = Reagan......
  • trevinla
    I'm actually independent (but left leaning)

    & yes, BOTH TEAMS SUCK!! but the bigger problem is that they have rigged the system to the point that they are the only game in town.

    I slam the repubs because they are the party of no - and they use BS arguments to try to turn small +s into any kind of -.

    People need to get inside these parties and get the sycophants out of politics. Take back this country and get it back to how the founders wanted it - a country by the People, for the People - where there would be no concentration of power based on money and a system that allowed everyone the freedom to pursue life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness
  • DownriverDem
    yea, get all the tea baggers out of the repub party the extremes have taken over the GOP
  • trevinla
    And get the corporate whores our of the Democratic party. very few Politicians are for the People.

    if we had 100 Bernie Sanders in the senate - even if they had their own ideology - this country would again be the beacon of hope it once was to the world, rather than the beacon of a redlight district it now is
  • edwards_com
    No Mr. HOOVER. It's still & always will be the GOP's war & DEPRESSION..
    Spin Again
  • vietnow
    No sale, not buying into YOUR left / right para dim. Nice try tho. 1/2 point for effort.

    Dems voted to fund every death. They had and still have every opportunity to end the wars. Its not what they want...
  • edwards_com
    Your Historical re-writes are worn out. Congress was lied too. And the majority of Dems in the house voted AGAINST the war in 2002 ..If left to the Dems alone.....NO WAR. Look it up.,
    Spin Again
  • edwards_com
  • vietnow
    They (dems) voted FOR the spending bills. If you pay for it, you own it...

    Its not MY fault they didn't or still don't have the balls to pull the rug out from under this war..

    I am not defending the replugs by any means.. MY candidate lost in the primaries. and a country too stupid to pick decent leaders deserves what it gets.

    Still no end to the war(s).. we still have GITMO, still no new open transparent government. Still have the patriot act. ... not much change there....

    Nice try tho. 1/2 pt for the link to the roll call on the war vote.. keep shill'n
  • edwards_com
    You know, I feel if we had the time we might discover that we basically agree. I am not shilling but it was primarily a GOP production. However, that does NOT excuse the Dems overall behavior
  • bobyoung
    How about if we divide the total number of Americans killed during 9-11 with the trillions wasted in Afghanistan and Iraq? How about we divide the billions invested in no-bid contracts with Haliburton/KBR by the number of H/KBR employees?
  • DCinDC
    Ford Motor Co. earned $1 billion in the third quarter, fueled by U.S. market share gains, cost cuts and the government's Cash for Clunkers rebates.

    Wow! This is very welcome news for most people though I suppose Limbaugh and the America-haters won't like it. After all, it might damage their talking points about Obama and the Democrats doing everything wrong.

    The Dearborn, Mich.-based automaker on Monday reported net income of $997 million, or 29 cents per share. Ford says it now expects to be "solidly profitable" in 2011. Previously the automaker said it would be break-even or better.
  • vietnow
    cost cuts = job losses.... how many were laid off / let to to save /earn money... how much of THAT money will go to CEO / Corp bonuses?

    how many more quarters can the FEDs Buy new cars for people (myCASHforyourCLunker)?

    I will give ford some credit tho.. They are the best american auto maker (and hence the only one that will survive.) but its hard to be PROUD of market share gains,and run the green shoots flag up the pole, when your other two competitors are in bankruptcy.
  • vietnow
    SO... People using "grade school" math have miscalculated ..

    Somehow they have not accounted for all the natural resources that will be consumed.....
    just to keep people employed / busy.

    that's a good thing, right?
    (how many pounds of carbon is THAT?)..

    So, we left out all the Fuzzy gray math? you mean all the Fudge Factors?, Palm greasing.
    Trickle down corporate freakanomics? That kinda math?

    America has lost its common sense. 2+2 = 4 (still) and grade school math is still valid.
  • jelly450
    Yet another reason why the republicans vote against increasing funding for college. They want their voters to only be capable of only understanding basic elementary school math.
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