Gore Vidal: Obama ‘incompetent’ but GOP ‘like Hitler Youth’

By Stephen C. Webster
Thursday, October 8th, 2009 -- 2:08 pm
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gorevidal Gore Vidal: Obama incompetent but GOP like Hitler YouthStoried writer and historian Gore Vidal, in a lengthy interview published Wednesday by The Independent, had more than a few stones to throw at modern Americana.

Calling President Barack Obama "incompetent," Vidal predicted he will lose his bid for reelection amid the "madhouse" that is present-day politics. As for the political opposition, the iconic intellectual said that Republicans are no longer a party, having morphed into a "mindset," full of hate "like Hitler youth."

Speaking with writer Johann Hari, Vidal addressed dozens of key moments in American history, from "unnecessary" foreign entanglements to the coming-soon collapse of U.S. empire in the barren sands of Afghanistan. He called the 2000 election "stolen" by the Bush administration, then added they were "probably" involved in the Sept. 11 attacks on New York City and the Pentagon.

The mention is not the first time he has assailed the government's public theory of the attacks. Vidal said in 2008 that 9/11 was "a coup d'etat" to overthrow the government, allowing the Bush administration "[to] make legal each and every breach of the constitution that [they] had in mind."

In a much lengthier extrapolation, "The Enemy Within," published by The Observer in 2002, Vidal argued the administration was complicit with the terrorists.

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"Complicity," he wrote. "The behavior of President George W. Bush on 11 September certainly gives rise to all sorts of not unnatural suspicions. I can think of no other modern chief of state who would continue to pose for 'warm' pictures of himself listening to a young girl telling stories about her pet goat while hijacked planes were into three buildings."

In The Independent's piece, he also defended Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, as "a dedicated student of the American way" and "a noble boy" who lashed out so violently as a way of defending the Constitution.

In a 2001 piece for Vanity Fair entitled "The Meaning of Timothy McVeigh," Vidal elaborated on his correspondence with the Oklahoma City bomber, who claimed to have been in-part inspired to act by Vidal's writing.

Of the resulting media coverage after McVeigh's act of terror, Vidal damned popular belief. "There was to be only one story; one man of incredible innate evil wanted to destroy innocent lives for no reason other than a spontaneous joy in evildoing," he wrote. "From the beginning, it was ordained that McVeigh was to have no coherent motive for what he had done other than a Shakespearean motiveless malignity."

On the election of President Obama, Vidal told The Independent that he was initially optimistic, but after witnessing the administration at work he's relegated himself to despair. "[He's] incompetent. He will be defeated for re-election. It's a pity because he's the first intellectual president we've had in many years, but he can't hack it. He's not up to it. He's overwhelmed."

"[Obama] wants to be liked by everybody, and he thought all he had to do was talk reason," Vidal continued. "But remember – the Republican Party is not a political party. It's a mindset, like Hitler Youth. It's full of hatred. You're not going to get them aboard. Don't even try. The only way to handle them is to terrify them. He's too delicate for that."

Briefly touching on his time spent as a soldier stationed in Alaska, he called the state "the place where all the crooks in America went to hide" and a "frozen hell" that ultimately produced Sarah Palin, "the latest idol in America's long cult of stupidity."

Vidal added that because the president has never even heard a gun fired in anger, he is "bowled over" by the generals "who tell him lies and he believes them."

Challenged by the interviewer on the justification for Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, Vidal went cold.

"[Roosevelt] taunted the Japanese so they would have to hit us, at Pearl Harbour, and they did," he said. "We have conveniently forgotten because we don't teach American history to anybody, but he sent an ultimatum to the Japanese telling them to get out of China, which they'd been trying to conquer for years. He was laying down the law to them, [saying they had to] surrender their rather proud nation's empire. And they said fuck you. And the next thing we knew the fleet was moving towards Pearl Harbour."

He further predicted that "Afghanistan will be terminal for the American empire," which he sees as a positive development. "To a better Republic," Vidal quipped before gulping down a glass of scotch.

Read the full interview.

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  • tomofmd
    -Why is everybody getting bent about a bundle of sticks?

    Seriously ,I disagree with Vidal on two points Obama needs to be appreciated like most father-absent children,
    but I think he's smarter than that.The only sticking point is the cabinet that is composed of too many agenda/puppet people.
    McVeigh was a troubled dupe who was manipulated by an FBI informant.
    the physics on the ground do not match the story that was told.(USAF scientist General Partin's findings)
    Through this trauma-many constitutional curbs and emergency powers legislation were enacted
    -all ready prepared!
    People get together to conspire against the populace,control desemination of info,and use events to promote and further their agenda.
    To think this has never happened in history...well...may i interest you in the Brooklyn Bridge?
  • bayside
    I do agree with Mr. Videl except obama rejected progressives when he got elected and only listened to conservatives which is causing his downfall..Next election if we get in only progressives and get out the blue dogs, he will have to listen to us and things will really change..
  • leek
    Gore Vidal should have won the Nobel Prize rather than Obama, if not in peace then in literature.
  • nobodyforpresident
    If you go carrying picture of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it with anyone, anyhow.
  • czarembo
    He got it wrong in terms of who went to hide in Alaska. It was big oil and its hired cronies. The sycophants came later.
  • Hologram5
    "But remember – the Republican Party is not a political party. It's a mindset, like Hitler Youth. It's full of hatred. You're not going to get them aboard. Don't even try. The only way to handle them is to terrify them. He's too delicate for that."
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    They need to be disbanded and never heard from again. They are nothing like the republicans of old. They have gone so far away from their roots that they'll never find their way back. Time for revolution. Time to reboot the Fed Gov't. Time to take back what is ours.
  • Wow. I guess if someone doesn't like a back-handed compliment, ass-hat etiquette demands pistols at dawn.

    I look at it as, "well, at least it was some kind of a compliment. A tender reed of consensus in a stormy sea of rolling, liquid bullsh*t."

    Personally I think Vidal wouldn't mind being called a faggot while being complimented for his ideas/beliefs. I don't think the fact that he knows that he is gay is all that relevant to him. It's not like he and his former partner had terrific, mind-blowing sex...they just loved each other. We live in such a sexualized culture that sexual behavior has become like a brand on a shirt. Are you a Calvin Klein pedofile or a Tommy Hilfiger faggot? What about a Levis heterosexual? No, no! I'm a sexually dysmorphic Versace elitist!

    Who gives a shit?

    What is relevant is that Gore Vidal believes that we're awash in Nazi sentiment repleat with police oppression and their weak-kneed neo-liberal apologists -- just like Weimar Germany before the Nazis took it back. He knows that 9/11 was our Reichstag Fire and that our republic has been stolen from us through a series of banana-republican tactics.

    The rest of this nonsense about who is and is not a politically correct propoponent of common decency is beside the point. They've BEEN successful at dividing us along all manner of ideological fault lines we didn't even know existed. Our next best, and only, move is to cease judging each other based on our differences. We need to hunt down and glue ourselves to everything that is similar. If it isn't something we agree on, toss it out of the discussion. Trust some benevolent higher power to make your fractionally relevant case at some later date to the ass-hat in question.

    Quit bitching about the espresso while the Titanic is taking on water. Just because the band is playing doesn't mean that everything is going to be just fine.

    If you see Karl Rove, or any of them, on the road, rip out their throat and leave them to bleed to death. Don't get caught because we need people willing to fight and die for the principles that founded this country.

    It's so goddamn foggy with flatulent pettiness we can't identify the people with REAL balls anymore.
  • Wow. I guess if someone doesn't like a back-handed compliment, ass-hat etiquette demands pistols at dawn.

    I look at it as, "well, at least it was some kind of a compliment. A tender reed of consensus in a stormy sea of rolling, liquid bullsh*t."

    Personally I think Vidal wouldn't mind being called a faggot while being complimented for his ideas/beliefs. I don't think the fact that he knows that he is gay is all that relevant to him. It's not like he and his former partner had terrific, mind-blowing sex...they just loved each other. We live in such a sexualized culture that sexual behavior has become like a brand on a shirt. Are you a Calvin Klein pedofile or a Tommy Hilfiger faggot? What about a Levis heterosexual? No, no! I'm a sexually dysmorphic Versace elitist!

    Who gives a shit?

    What is relevant is that Gore Vidal believes that we're awash in Nazi sentiment repleat with police oppression and their weak-kneed neo-liberal apologists -- just like Weimar Germany before the Nazis took it back. He knows that 9/11 was our Reichstag Fire and that our republic has been stolen from us through a series of banana-republican tactics.

    The rest of this nonsense about who is and is not a politically correct propoponent of common decency is beside the point. They've BEEN successful at dividing us along all manner of ideological fault lines we didn't even know existed. Our next best, and only, move is to cease judging each other based on our differences. We need to hunt down and glue ourselves to everything that is similar. If it isn't something we agree on, toss it out of the discussion. Trust some benevolent higher power to make your fractionally relevant case at some later date to the ass-hat in question.

    Quit bitching about the espresso while the Titanic is taking on water. Just because the band is playing doesn't mean that everything is going to be just fine.

    If you see Karl Rove, or any of them, on the road, rip out their throat and leave them to bleed to death. Don't get caught because we need people willing to fight and die for the principles that founded this country.

    It's so goddamn foggy with flatulent pettiness we can't identify the people with REAL balls anymore.
  • rickpetes
    Oh, and I agree with philedrifter, flame wars are boring to the rest of us. If you want to get into a stupid name calling contest and beat your chests over non issues, set up a chat line or tweet each other.
  • rickpetes
    Well, I haven't read the original article yet, but I agree with the summary of what Vidal said above.

    And, McVeigh's anger at our govt was justified, though I don't agree with his choice of targets. He should have gone after the head quarters of the Carlyle Group, Citi Bank, AIG, Goldman Sachs, General Dynamics, the SEC, the Fed Reserve, or one of the other corporate masters, rather than the poor wage slaves working at a court house.

    That said, Waco was could easily have been avoided. They could have arrested Koresh quietly outside the Wal-Mart in Waco any week, so the only reason for the seige was to scare the citizens.

    Ruby Ridge was instigated by the ATF - the guy was set up, and again, the purpose was to scare others. The actual crime the guy was accused of, was shortening the barrel of a shotgun after being hounded to do so by an ATF agent. He had repeatedly refused to do it, but once he gave in, they once again used an unnecessary level of force to arrest him. They could have waited till he came to town and quietly arrested him. The over show of force was once again aimed at scaring the people.

    911 sure wasn't carried out by al Quada, and there has never been any evidence presented in any court that they were responsible. There hasn't even been an attempt to charge them as perpetrators, because there IS NO EVIDENCE.

    And, personally, I'll be happy to see our empire crumble, though I worry about what could fill the power vacuum.
  • kscitydude
    Wow, the guy has only been in office for 10 months! I think Vidal's prediction is way to premature.

    BUT.....and you know they always has to be a but, if the Republicans win back congress in '10, things will not go well for his Presidency. Remember what they did to Clinton!
  • marinessuck
    We can only hope that Vidal is correct. Maybe we can get someone with a set of stones to hold the office and do something besides backpedal and keep telling us that he's studying the options.
  • musashi
    i think george bush is still president, doing his al jolson impersonation and calling himself
    barak obama, looking at the similarity of policies makes this a feasable possibility.
  • moorlock2003
    Sipping some Scotch and calling Obama "incompetent" at this stage of the game, less than one year into his Presidency, is extremely pompous of Vidal. It is far too early to make such judgements. I think Obama will have an effective Presidency. Perhaps it won't be all that it could be, but it is bound to be a damn sight better than what's been going down the previous 8 years. Maybe Vidal needs to put down the scotch and smoke a joint instead.
  • DixieDEM
    The Dems have the Whitehouse, the House of Reps and the Senate. Of course Obama is incompetent. The troops should have been home from Iraq and Aghanistan, DOMA repealed, single payer healthcare in place, Don't Ask/Don't Tell repealed and Bush/Cheney in jail BY NOW. Bush managed to destroy the entire country/Constitution by October of his first year and he didn't have majorities in Congress.
  • moorlock2003
    I don't disagree with you. Wishful thinking is great. But politics is a game and stategy is what is needed. I, too, think the wars should have been ended by now, and all the rest you state. Yes, Bush and Cheney should be in jail. All I'm saying is Vidal loses credibility when making statements while downing booze. He sounds like a drunk to me. After suffering through a family of alcoholics, I have no respect for drinkers. My comment was directed more at Gore Vidal than President Obama.
  • Bingo. There's little over a year left until the Democrats face losing their majority, so if now isn't the time for REAL, STRONG action, when is it? Oops, I forgot, you can't get REAL, STRONG action out of a phony, weak party (with a few exceptions, of course).
  • God Bless Gore Vidal. I hope he's wrong.
  • jlewd
    Not "like" -- "are."
  • zentrails
    Jeez, if Obama is "incompetent"
    what did this joker think about Bush?
  • Satan
    It's not that Obama is incompetant in my eyes, it's that he's one of them. He's following the path of all his scumbag predecessors, Bush, Clinton and Bush. We'll still be in Iraq and Afghanistan when he leaves office in three years, because he's a fucking liar.
  • jlewd
    Obama is first and foremost, a lawyer; second, he is a politician; third, he is a benefactor of donations from some of the same Wall Street crooks behind the bailout and the entire concept of "too big to fail." He is one of them. We knew this going into the election.

    Am I disappointed? Sure. Am I surprised? Not really. But my vote wasn't based on the campaign promise of change; campaign promises are a dime a dozen, and you'll see the same promises made next election cycle. They're like old jokes: politicians never tire of the hackneyed punch lines.

    My vote was based on one primary point: the breaking of a color line that was long overdue -- that, and the fact that Grandpa Abe McCain is a fucking moron, hothead, and privileged jackass.

    Plus, don't judge the guy too harshly on getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan: look what happened the last time a Democrat tried to put an end to a Republican war.
  • Phil E. Drifter
    It's not that he's a liar, it's that he's just a puppet the ruling elite use to read scripts on live tv to appease the public while they continue to rule.

    Because this country has a boatload of stupid people; American public education wouldn't have it any other way.
  • Phil E. Drifter
    While I'm in agreement with Mr. Vidal on just about everything he says, I'm not so sure Obama won't be re-elected; after all, it all comes down to Obama vs. whoever the Republicans put up; I hope the country is not so shallow that they've already forgotten about 9/11.
  • momctague
    Gore Vidal is one of the last people in America to espouse the Founding Fathers. Thank you Gore.

    To other posters, please don't respond to people like Hoffa. He and others like him, most often live at home with Mom and get sustenance through spewing hate and B.S. that gets a response. If there is no response they wither and die.
  • Phil E. Drifter
    You people spend more time attacking JHoffa than you do actually contributing anything substantial to these threads.

    I have no problem reading JHoffa's comments, at least they're short and concise, but it's all you people who attack him ad infinitum that bother this shit out of me.
  • jlewd
    So, you agree with his homophobic hate comments? That's a suprising low, philedrifter. Normally, I like your posts and most often agree with your comments. I can only say that I'm disappointed.

    jhoffa is an idiot. The reason his posts are trite is his brain labors and smokes at crafting even the simplest lines of hate he spews.

    Plus, I've seen you do the same to others on this site. It behooves you to not be hypocritical. Like I said, normally I like your posts. I can't agree with this one.
  • Phil E. Drifter
    So, you agree with his homophobic hate comments?

    This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call a 'straw man.' Presenting something that was not originally claimed and then projecting it onto your target.
  • jlewd
    It's a valid question, drifter, and you still didn't answer it -- not that I need your answer. "I have no problem reading JHoffa's comments, at least they're short and concise," sounds like a tacit approval to me. I've read through your other comments on this thread and I see no refutation of his gay bashing, which only leads to wonder.

    Especially when you contribute such gems as "SteveA has a tiny penis." Real fucking mature, hypocrite.

    In truth, Jhoffa makes great points about three threads over, which is what makes it difficult to read this hate speech directed at the LGBT community. As for your popularity, no one's suggesting a beauty contest (you wouldn't win one anyway). My comment was made as observation. I can just as easily skip your posts, which sounds like a pretty good idea considering this round of comments and your crybaby sensitivity.

    By the way: hate speech isn't protected as free speech. It is a crime, as well it should be. And maybe you misunderstand the entire concept of blogging.
  • Phil E. Drifter
    I couldn't give a shit less. Freedom of speech means having the freedom to say things that others might not agree with. But instead of glossing over one comment I have to flip through pages and pages of comments directed NOT AT THE STORY ABOVE but at the person who posted a comment that you people disagree with and feel the urgent need to reply, which of course is never read by anyone but yourself.
  • Phil E. Drifter
    ps: I also couldn't give a shit less if you like my comments or not. I don't post comments looking for popularity, i post comments when I think I have something constructive to add to the discussion at hand.

    But you people just comment away at anyone you disagree with, ignoring the topic listed in the title bar of your browser of choice.
  • caroldw
    Obama wants to liked, but not by the people that elected him. He wants to be liked by the ruling elite.
  • Well, he's right about the GOP. Wrong on Bush and 9/11, as well as Obama. I don't think Obama is incompetent. I just think he doesn't have the viciousness and sociopathology that is necessary in politics today. He is an intellectual and a nice person. Those may not be successful qualities for a president unfortunately.

    9/11 was a well planned, well executed and successful operation. Therefore it was impossible for Bush and Cheney to be involved.
  • edwards_com
    Wanna Bet?. THEY didn't plan it.
  • billdo93
    yeah, bush and cheney were SOOO incompetant, it's not like they got everything they wanted re: invading middle eastern countries, defense contracts, ramping up military spending into a war without end... this is not some big partisan blunder, it's policy
  • Gene S.
    Vidal's defense of McVeigh is ONLY pertains to recognizing that some of our government's unbelievably oppressive behavior pushed him over the edge into criminal insanity. Vidal is still one of our sharpest and most relevant social critics.
  • Jhoffa_
    He was also personally impressed with McVeigh.
  • davidrvelasquez
    I really could care less what that elitist sack of crap happens to think.
  • Phil E. Drifter
    And yet you felt required to tell everyone. Curious.
  • blippidybleh
    Vidal did not say that Obama had never fired a gun in anger (though that is (almost) an implication of what he in fact said). Vidal said that Obama had never heard a gun fired in anger.
  • Jhoffa_
    Gore Vidal.. The only faggot I ever respected. A giant among men.

    It's a real shame he never got, or rather took, a shot at the Presidency. It's a bigger shame that more Americans aren't familiar with him and his work.. Especially with regard to US history.

    Long Live Gore Vidal!!!
  • SteveA
    You are part of the problem, hoffa.

    Do you really think that your homophobia is not used to separate the people and keep them at each other's throats instead of the real villains? Think what you want, but when you give voice to your inadequacies and fears, you keep people divided. You give a green light for other mindless haters against other victims who might join you but instead rightfully reject your pathetic psychological hangups. And here we remain. Get over yourself, hoffa.

    Your hatred is very useful to your enemies. You want to blame someone, look in the mirror.
  • Jhoffa_
    I respect Gore Vidal because, unlike most of the "gay" movement, he:

    1) Never uses the lowest common denominator, meaning what he does with his dick, to self identify. He's an intellectual and brilliant in his own right, and he wants to be respected and regarded as one. He can even become testy when you press him about faggotry.

    2) He's not trying to force his perversion on anyone. Its his business, and he keeps it that way.

    Maybe there's a lesson there.. Eh?
  • edwards_com
    GOD created Homosexuals. They were born that way. Why do you say GOD is perverted?
  • SteveA
    You should have just walked away, hoffa. Every comment you post shows your obsession with homosexual activities.

    Your fear of yourself is very useful. They will continue to have power over you until you deal with it.

    Every time you type "faggot" you are announcing your business and perversion to the world. Are you capable of learning lessons, hoffa? Projection, nothing more.
  • Jhoffa_
    PS: This sort of nonsense is EXACTLY WHY guys like Vidal tower above the rest of you garden variety faggots.

    He's actually capable of putting on an argument without sounding like a lunatic.
  • SteveA
    I'm not gay. Just not scared or obsessed like you are.

    You are stomping in your cage while the audience laughs at you and your obsession with homosexual acts.

    It is so incredibly obvious, hoffa.

    Keep pushing people away then screaming and blaming others when you are left with no allies. Your inadequacies and self-hatred are very useful.
  • jlewd
    Clearly a closet case homosexual. No doubt you're masturbating to websites showing chicks with dicks -- that sounds about right for your taste, you stupid fucker.
  • Jhoffa_
    PRO TIP: Don't quit your factory job to do online psychoanalysis.
  • SteveA
    Now you think alienating factory workers will get you allies? lol

    Good job, homophobe.
  • Jhoffa_
    You just remember what I said.. "DEFINITELY NOT GAY!" steve..
  • SteveA
    lol

    Gosh, hoffa. Are you trying to scare me?

    Pathetic that you actually think it would be an insult.

    You just don't get it.
  • Jhoffa_
    Not at all..

    It's just good advice.
  • SteveA
    Perhaps you should follow it then and keep your sexual predilections and imagination to yourself.

    We get it. You're a MAN!!!!

    Can the hate talk. Take your own advice and keep it to yourself.
  • Jhoffa_
    You get nothing..

    Imbecile.
  • SteveA
    Great. Cause "nothing" from you is exactly what is needed.

    The only allies you will make are those who share your limited childish perceptions. Become an adult and join the rest of the civilized world. Put your anger to some good use. Drop the hate talk and start working with others against the real enemies. That means not dividing people into little groups that you have problems with. That only keeps things as they are.

    You will need to work on your debating skills, however.
  • Jhoffa_
    Men.. "Real" ones.. Wish to be known for their noble efforts and achievements.

    What man wouldn't wish to be known and remembered for what he said? Who he helped? What he built? The problems he solved? What he contributed, and what he learned.. which is equivalent to what he has to teach others.

    To reduce people to what they CHOOSE to do with their dicks is a poor standard.

    Unfortunately, it is the ONLY standard the "gay" movement seems capable of.

    They spend every waking moment, and every breath, spreading their disgusting propaganda and defending their strange behavior.

    This is why no one takes you seriously.
  • SteveA
    No, hoffa. We already had this discussion. That is how YOU define homosecuals. By your definition, nobody would be hetero or homosexual until they performed sex acts. Which you are obsessed with talking about. Not them. You.

    Get over your drooling, hoffa. It's really pathetic.
  • SteveA
    And hoffa, for someone who projects how important it is for a man to be known for his accomplishments, guess what you are going to be remembered for?

    That's right. Talking about other guy's dicks every chance you get. Projection, hoffa. It is obvious to everyone except you apparently. Get over yourself.

    Stop thinking with your dipstick, jimmy.
  • Phil E. Drifter
    SteveA has a tiny penis.
  • edwards_com
    Why are you interested in his penis ?
  • edwards_com
    Phil,
    My bad. Just my knee jerk response. I will be more thoughtful.
  • Phil E. Drifter
    I'm not. It was my way of symbolizing how these two completely forgot about the article at hand and SteveA instead attacked JHoffa from the start and continued to attack him after each response. It's called 'trolling.'
  • SteveA
    Wrong, phil.

    I responded to hoffa's homophobia - which was a derailment and attack on Vidal, not a discussion of the article. As if you give a shit. It was also an attack on others who visit this site and might get turned away from important information because of morons like hoffa and the jackasses like yourself who defend such pathetic filth as he was posting. Defend homophobes if you want. It just shows how pathetic you are as well.

    What you are doing is called trolling. Projection, as usual from you freaks.
  • Phil E. Drifter
    lol like i'm gonna read that garbage
  • SteveA
    Great argument.

    Way to prove my point.
  • SteveA
    Words stacked on top of each other look too intimidating for you, don't they little philly?

    lol. What a tool.
  • Phil E. Drifter
    lol your point is you can't shut up. GOT IT!
  • Jeff
    Piss off breeder.
  • Jhoffa_
    Hey, thanks for pulling ONE insult, RAW and not the other..

    I'd never expect anything less from the brainless faggots at RawStory HQ.
  • edwards_com
    Hit a nerve sweetie?
  • jlewd
    Hardly, fuckhead. I just have no tolerance for gay-bashing closet homosexuals like you and jhoffa. The only nerve hit anyway would be the one at the back of your throat, cocksucker.
  • edwards_com
    Well, considering I have been completely out of the closet since 1971, was married to my spouse (another male) in Canada 8 years ago and am the Treasurer of an MCC (LGBT Church), I am wondering what YOUR problem is?
  • jlewd
    Well, that just confuses the issue further. Maybe I misread your comment, but I live in SF. I live here not because I'm gay, but because I love living in a city where every person has the same equal rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness regardless of sexual preference. I get pretty upset when I have to read ignorant comments gay bashing and have a hard time understanding how someone who believes in America, democracy, and the Constitution can advocate denying the LGBT community the same rights they enjoy. That is MY problem. That, and I tire of seeing some of the more intelligent posters on this site devolve to this level of ignorance (jhoffa, for example). It makes it hard to look at that person's posts in future without a tinge of disgust at the base.
  • jlewd
    jhoffa, you're a fucking retard who sucks his own miniscule dick. It's pretty funny to see a braindead fuckwad like you calling gays brainless: nothing you've ever posted here makes sense. At best, your comments are the piss-drunk cries of a fucking moron. Go back to your trailer; your web-toed brother's fucking your swampwife and swampdaughter

    Again.
  • Already_Dead
    That's funny, I was just thinking that Gore has never been so right......it takes a strong person to stand up and say how they feel, especially when you know that the majority will lambaste you for it.
  • Adam503
    Vidal is got pretty much everything right except on Japan. Roosevelt was correct in telling Japan to get out of Manchuria/China.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japane...

    Japan was committing brutal war crimes all over China. 300,000 massacred and 100,000 women raped in Nanjing.
  • My3Cats
    Vidal has lost it. His championing of McVeigh is insupportable. Vidal is easily flattered if McVeigh's compliments about his writings sway him to defend the little prick. I'm astonished at how far Vidal has strayed off the reservation. He has lost a certain soundness of mind.
  • Phil E. Drifter
    My best guess is you weren't even born when the Oklahoma City bombing happened.

    The US media is complicit in running whatever Uncle Sam tells them without first investigating for themselves.

    Why would someone, ANYONE, just want to load up a truck with explosives and park it in front of a Federal building? People don't just do that because they 'want a rush' or are 'insane' criminals. To do something like that would take a ton of forethought and planning, and McVeigh did it.
  • Phil E. Drifter
    Well I know I've tried to post before at least twice so Discus must be blocking comments that contain urls, so do yourselves a favor and read the Wiki page on Oklahoma City Bombing

    In it it details the claims McVeigh made on why he put a bomb in front of the Murrah Building in OK along with many other details, including his opinion on how the FedGov created -- yes created -- the Waco massacre and the Ruby Ridge incident, when they could have taken much, much less drastic action.
  • Phil E. Drifter
    I thought I tried to post this earlier, perhaps Discus has a way of filtering out urls?

    But it's worth a read if you want to discuss this thread.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
  • Phil E. Drifter
    Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_Bombing

    From my preliminary reading it looks to be pretty spot on:

    "Motivated by the federal government's handling of the Waco Siege (1993) and the Ruby Ridge incident (1992), McVeigh's attack was timed to coincide with the second anniversary of the Waco Siege.

    But then that begs the question: "do you have the faintest clue what the Waco siege or the Ruby Ridge incident were?"
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