Cheney falsely accuses Obama of ‘libel’ against CIA over torture

By Ron Brynaert
Thursday, October 22nd, 2009 -- 9:33 am
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waterboardingprotest Cheney falsely accuses Obama of libel against CIA over tortureTorture is not torture, according to former Vice President Dick Cheney, and to refer it to as such should be considered libelous. Even if it doesn't actually qualify as libel.

The Washington Times' Amanda Carpenter reports, "Maintaining his stature as one of the most forceful defenders of the Bush Administration's defense policies former Vice President Dick Cheney accused President Obama of committing 'libel' against CIA interrogators on Wednesday" during a speech at the Center for Security Policy.

"In the speech, Mr. Cheney charged that President Obama has 'filled the air with vague and useless platitude' when talking about torture and by calling enhanced interrogation techniques 'torture" he has committed 'libel' against CIA interrogators whom Mr. Cheney described as 'dedicated professionals who acted honorably and well, in our country’s name and in our country’s cause,'" Carpenter adds.

Cheney's full comments Wednesday:

In short, to call enhanced interrogation a program of torture is not only to disregard the program’s legal underpinnings and safeguards. Such accusations are a libel against dedicated professionals who acted honorably and well, in our country’s name and in our country’s cause. What’s more, to completely rule out enhanced interrogation in the future, in favor of half-measures, is unwise in the extreme. In the fight against terrorism, there is no middle ground, and half-measures keep you half exposed.

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As Salon's Glenn Greenwald noted last June, "The U.S. has prosecuted those acts as torture in the past. Multiple media outlets and even the U.S. Government have routinely described those acts as “torture” when used against Americans, rather than by Americans. The tactics are ones we copied from manuals designed to inure our own troops to the torture techniques used by some of the world’s worst tyrants. They resulted in numerous deaths. Until the Bush administration decided to call it something other than 'torture' so that they could do it, nobody had any questions about whether this was 'torture.'"

Dick isn't the first Cheney to pull the L card on the torture debate.

In May, Elizabeth Cheney said on MSNBC that her father felt "very strongly that he has an obligation to defend the brave men and women that carried out the program who have been really libeled by the current administration when they call it torture and say we somehow are not upholding American values."

Mother Jones' legal adviser James Chadwick later dismissed the charge.

Liz Cheney's been reading too much George Orwell and not enough first amendment. You can't libel the government, and statements of opinion can't be libelous. I think Liz Cheney would be particularly interested in defending the idea that what constitutes torture is a matter of opinion because if not, her father might be in a lot of trouble. She's not talking about specific allegations about specific people. She's talking about people saying what the US government did... was torture.

One of the reasons the founding fathers established the first amendment was to do away with the idea of seditious libel - libeling the king. You cannot be sued for saying bad things about the government, period.

As Politics Daily's David Sessions notes, "The word 'libel' typically refers to printed accusations, or those spoken in a broadcast medium, while 'slander' refers to words spoken in a public setting."

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  • nickeson
    Brave men and women. Dedicated professionals who acted honorably. What a joke. Show the picturres of these brave men and women. Show the videos of the TORTURE. I know once the world would be exposed to the rest of the documentation, not only would it be disgusted, but the men carrying out the TORTURE would not be described as brave. If only the media would grow some balls, We would never have to listen to this bullshit again, Except maybe from Fix news.
    You know I'm correct
  • Cheney is all about defending the CIA now. When he was GWBs puppet master he didn't give a fuck about exposing a secret operative named Valerie Plame. That fat old fucker should be hung from the yardarm for that little display of treason. Anything that comes from his stinking purulent noise hole now is irrelevant.
  • moxaman
    Type your comment here.
    Will someone please tell Penishead to STFU! Every word out of that sick sadist is torture!!!
  • lorn
    Cheney is only walking around free because of the illegal abdication of duty by Barack Obama.

    Obama has ignored calls from legal scholars, the international community, loyalists in his own party, and clear thinking people everywhere to prosecute Bush and Cheney for torture crimes. Obama continues to protect them from the rule of law.
    That is simply reality.

    The mental gymnastics, group think and willful self deception that Obama devotees engage in to avoid this reality will be studied by psychologists and sociologists in the future.
    Just as we wonder now, how the German people could be so blind to the crimes of the Nazis, so people will wonder about Americans of this era, be they Bush lovers or Obama worshipers.
  • toddfrickend
    When will this old bag of shit go away???
  • Mooftown
    when is cheney gonna die? for fucks sake...
  • harry johnson
    To the person who asked if dick cheney will ever die. In a word, no. This being has gone through many names over many centuries, Beelzebub, Satan ,Lucifer, Azrael, Prince of Darkness, Prince of LIes, the Evil One, Hades, Source of All that is Vile, Baphomet, Prince of Fools and many, many others. Its darkness lives on through all time. Its undisclosed location is the nether regions, the sulfurous pit where all who go abandon hope. We pray and hope that this being departs this plane to leave us in peace and never return but it has always returned in the past bringing wanton evil, strife and discord in its path.
  • an84u
    Well, poor ole teeter/totter Cheengangy's rattling his cage again. When, oh when!! will this shithead shut up? He and GWShrubButt-lite destroyed half the world's assets while pursuing policies that murdered hundreds of thousands of human beings, so I think this turd-faced bastard has a short memory, indeed if any memory at all. He's bad news personified!! It goes without contradiction that ole Cheengangy and his ilk are treasonous enemies of the US of A, growing ever richer on the spilt blood of our sons and daughters. He's enough to gag a maggot in my book.
  • roooth
    Listening to Liz Cheney lecture us about torture not being torture when her dad does it is like listening to Jack The Ripper's daughter lecture us about murder not being murder when it's done by her dear old dad.
  • Hologram5
    Cheney needs to change his last name to cranium. Then he'd be richard cranium, aka DICKHEAD! This guy and he satanistic spawn are just whacked. I wish I was smoking what these two are on, I'd be ripped for a looooong time...
  • tjfxh
    What do they call what. Cheney and Bush committed — war crimes, or is it crimes against humanity?
  • rts111
    One Krazy Glue cocktail to go, please: It is time to place one of those DOJ gag orders on to Cheney - a specially fit ideological muzzle to keep this guy's mouth clamped shut, for good.
  • moi2cents
    This the same guy who pressured the CIA to give him phony WMD intel? This the same guy who undercut Tenet when he began saying the yellowcake docs weren't bona-fide? This the same guy who went after anyone who tried to stop his alternate-truth factory, including the CIA?
    This the guy who, after it was at long last obvious to even the neocons that there were no WMDs in Iraq, them blamed the whole shootin' match on the CIA? This the goddamn genius who decided we needed to be a nation who tortures people, has the CIA do it, and leaves 'em open, by his very initiatives, to prosecution for war crimes, crimes against humanity? Ask anybody in the CIA how wonderful Cheney is. They're as glad he's gone as we are.

    Who the fuck? What the.....? He thinks he has a Harry Potter "Stupefy" spell for America? Thinks he's a fuckin' Jedi, what with the mind-tricks?


    This, my friends, is the sneering fuck who hijacked the office of the executive. The guy who wiped his ass on our Constitution. We execute lesser criminals.
    Oh yeah...he's rich. Never mind. Guess laws don't apply.


    Cheney, Cheney, Cheney......doooooooood. You already gumped all the morons out of their jobs. You gumped the retirees outta their 401Ks. You gumped how many tens of thousands of innocent people into their graves?

    Haven't ya had enough? Go home and get to work on the death star.
    Leave my country alone. And stay the fuck off my property, or we're gonna play quail-hunting, and you get to be the banker. Douchebag.
  • Max_1
    .

    Oh, I get it...
    ... It's not torture when America does it.

    A ROSE BY ANY OTHER NAME...
    ... IS A ROSE JUST THE SAME!

    People died because of their enhanced interrogation sessions.
    M U R D E R by T O R T U R E!

    .
  • lynnesand
    Dick Cheney should be arrested on the spot and put in jail. What a vile disgusting human being. Someone needs to stop the constant spewing of poison out of his mouth.
  • truthops2010
    It is torturous to even discuss what Cheney and Liz say. Better to focus again and again, on the fact that the so-called Enhanced Interrogation Techniques, were themselves torture, and that the "legal underpinnings" that Cheney claims, were pseudo legal arguments designed in an attempt to justify those criminal acts of torture.
  • douvie
    There is one way to find out what the truth is here-- have a prosecution of Mr. Cheney. How about it, Mr. Holder?
  • baconstang
    Sounds like Dick is off his meds, time to bite the head off a bird again.
    And why the hell does any news agency allow Liz within 100 yards of their studio is totally beyond me. Liberal media my ass.
  • justinus
    Torture is the worst way to get accurate information. Seems like a wast of time, money, and a conscience, assuming the torturer has any shred of one.
  • paladin55
    By the way, has Cheney "slandered" Obama by saying that he committed a "libel" against the CIA?

    It is ironic that a guy who can be labelled a "Chicken Hawk" because of the deferments he got to stay out of the Vietnam War, and who missed the opportunity to actually be tortured, like John McCain was, can speak so forcefully in support of torture.
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