Ex-CIA agent: Zubaydah waterboarded before DoJ memos approved
A former U.S. intelligence agent said in a report published Monday that terror suspect Abu Zubaydah was subjected to simulated drowning months before the Bush administration’s Department of Justice had written memos approving the use of waterboarding.
The claim strikes a serious blow to repeated Bush administration arguments that no laws were broken in the torture of prisoners because legal guidelines had been closely followed.
Former Central Intelligence Agency officer John Kiriakou, speaking with BBC’s Panorama, said that internal communications detailed Zubaydah’s torture beginning “at the very end of May or the very beginning of June 2002.”
Bush administration lawyers did not issue memorandum supportive of torture — a war crime under the Geneva Convention relative to the treatment of prisoners of war — until August of that year.
Kiriakou said that President Bush had personally given written authorization for Zubaydah’s torture.
The “official” story of Zubaydah’s imprisonment, as presented in a timeline released by the Senate Intelligence Committee and summarized by the Washington Post. According to this version, Abu Zubaydah was subjected only to traditional interrogation methods until an August 1 memo from Justice Department lawyer Jay Bybee gave a green light for the use of waterboarding and other aggressive techniques. The CIA asked the Office of Legal Counsel to furnish an opinion on the so-called “harsh interrogation techniques” in May, 2002.
On the other, there is a far more incriminating narrative that has been pieced together by various observers over the last several years. In this version, harsher methods were being applied to Abu Zubaydah as early as mid-April, and by mid-May he had been subjected to virtually every aggressive technique short of waterboarding.
This second version appears to be supported by a number of external facts. One is that in 2005, the CIA destroyed all videotapes of Abu Zubaydah’s interrogation from prior to August 1, even though taping had begun in April.
There were also two peculiar episodes of heightened security alerts in the US in April and May, which were said at the time to have been based on information obtained from Abu Zubaydah. These vague and ultimately implausible threats gave a strong impression that Abu Zubaydah might have been inventing al Qaeda plots simply to satisfy his interrogators.
“President George W Bush’s administration have steadily maintained that they did not break the law because they received legal advice which determined that waterboarding and other harsh techniques were not torture,” noted the BBC.
It was previously believed that former Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice was the first high-ranking Bush administration official to approve the torture of a terror war prisoner.
When it was revealed that the CIA destroyed tapes which showed the torture of Abu Zubaydah, then director Michael Hayden protested criticism, claiming the program fell in-line with legal guidance at the time.
“What matters here is that it was done in line with the law,” he said, adding that the CIA’s interrogation program has “helped disrupt terrorist operations and save lives.”
The interrogations have been carried out with “careful supervision” and were “built on a solid foundation of legal review,” he said. “If the story of these tapes is told fairly it will underscore those facts.”
Murial Kane contributed to this report.
With AFP.
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Pardon? Um, wasn’t this established months ago?
Well surprise, surprise. Like it makes any difference. There could be footage of Cheney personally sticking a cattle prod up a shackled prisoner’s ass available and it wouldn’t get the corrupt tools in Washington to do anything.
congrats u finally made a post i agree with
“Kiriakou said that President Bush had personally given written authorization for Zubaydah’s torture.”
Before even the Yoo attempt to legalize it.
A clearly illegal Presidential order.
Sounds like a “smoking gun” to me.
What will it take to get our Democrats to act?
You and I making a lot of noise. Lets do it!
SIGN THE PETITION
Demanding both a
Commission of Inquiry
and a Special Prosecutor.
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The memos are worded purely to protect the guilty.
Note domestic wiretaps were started BEFORE 9/11 to negate the risk of whistleblowers & leaks.
Seems so final. If a captive was tortured prior to Yoo’s phoney legalization of torture, then even by the Bush’s definition
They violated our Federal Anti-Torture Laws.
Push AG Holder to Indict and Prosecute.
SIGN THE PETITION
Demanding both a
Commission of Inquiry
and a Special Prosecutor.
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The truth may come out, but nobody has the guts to prosecute anyone. Obama wants to look forward. Well, I will use that excuse and rob a bank. I’ll tell the judge, let’s look forward, that bank robbery was so last week.
Cheney has a history of secret gov’t stuff. Remember, he was part of Nixon’s Admin. little gang of thieves and saw how that group mostly got away with lies and deceit, but wimped out and got caught. But Cheney gained insight into how to game the system. Then, Cheney worked for Reagan. Don’t forget the secret quasi-government Cheney and Ollie North were running from the White House basement funneling arms to Nicaragua Contras, illegally with the guns exchanged for ransom money paid to Iran in the early 1980’s. Ollie North was convicted of illegal activities and sentenced to prison, but Bush One pardoned him in 1989. Cheney saw that powerful, Washington insiders could skirt the law and get away with it. So, there you have it, he did it again and he was right. Cheney is guilty as sin as is Bush, Rice and Rummy. George Tenet should be in prison along with the rest of these assholes, but nothing happens to rich, powerful politically-connected insiders.
The memos are BS afterthought which should not be given credence because of Article 4 of the Geneva Convention.
Otherwise the law is off the table when it comes to politicians and their minions.
dredd: they are going to use those memos in any case brought against them.
and there were cases of torture in late 2002 and on into 2003 and beyond… so its not entirely ‘afterthought’. they will argue that they believed they were doing legal things and that the things they were doing were not torture “because the lawyers told us so” and they will pull out the ‘vague lanaguage used in Geneva’ defense.
why do i think this? this is pretty much what happened at GTMO, lawyer diane beaver at a meeting said if they were doing these harsh techniques, they needed approval and documentation from higher ups. eventually this was the thing rumsfeld signed …
i just thinking, the cia probably had some people like beaver.. saying ‘woah… we need to cover our asses here’… they remembered the 70s, the iran contra thing, etc, someone somewhere wanted legalistic cover.
then people like bush can go around saying ‘we had lawyers look at this’ (in his interview with matt lauer). ie, we had no intent to torture or to violate the law, therefore “not guilty. not guity yal wanna feel me:”
Rothchild’s/CIA MK Ultra Victim
I read that Bob Woodard the man that said Bush had a secret weapon in Iraq,is currently on a trip to Iraq…
Wow I have a neighbor named Woodard,,there daughter was my daughters friend…
The Satanical Kabbalah Rothchild’s made sure I had a Jewish nurse and Jewish doctor too.
So one has to wonder if the doctor that delivered me was into Satanical…!
His last name started with a K to match my first name that starts with a K.
They had Kellogg’s put out the cereal, Special K, the year I was born,,
The corruption in Washington is on K street,,PGA has a K club,,etc,etc..
I hope somebody that’s into satanical is following my posts..
Is there a reason they took out one of my Mom’s ovaries?
I wonder how many woman they did this to?
I went shopping for a plant last night,,
Wow,it appears they sprinkled JEW everywhere,,wondering jew plant,, etc,etc,etc,,,
I guess the Rothchild’s wanted to promote the superior race,,
So, it appears were soon to learn about Bush’s secret weapon in Iraq,,
I suppose a LIE of many decades has to be eased into…
Extra,extra,,read all about it..
Rothchild’s PLANNED the GLOBAL flue genocide many years ago…
Michael Jackson was a #1 MK Ultra Victim of the Rothchild/CIA program..
They used him to have the World Health Organization(WHO) put in a song.
The song, WHO IS IT…
I was used to store the Kabbalah plans and for discussion..
At around 40 years old via MK Ultra they had me tuned into to MJ’s music like a teenager,,
They wanted the organization WHO scarred to my memory..
At this age I worked on a video,,,many days and into the nights for a MJ contest around the song WHO IS IT…
So what ever year MJ’s song WHO IS IT came out,the Rothchild’s all ready planned GLOBAL FLUE GENOCIDE…
I forgot about MJ’s RAT song,,,
Rat’s are connected to the Rothchild’s Satanical…
There was the RAT that ate threw the wall of a home we rented..
There was what I named the ARMY OF RATS…
I had 3 pigs and one day I went to feed them and I was horrified,,
There was literally an Army of RATS that were leaving the shed/barn.
I’ll have to check out the rest of Michael Jackson’s songs…
To the Jackson family,,I’m sorry,,
They put your entire family threw h*ll,,especially Michael…
But Michael Jackson will have the last word,,
His life will show the power and evil this technology can do..
Father Jackson,,I’m so sorry,,
They even had me coin one of your phrases,,”Laughing all the way to the BANK”….I said this allot…
I guess I should say Thank You to the International agency that wouldn’t allow the Rothchild’s to make the BIG SCARS..
I’ve had suffering,cruel and scars,but not the big scars of there other victims,,,
Were going to call this agency THE KEEPERS..
We should all be very grateful good men decades ago had the wisdom to see this coming.
Who removed themselves from governments and men to protect EARTH and the Masses..
Bush watched too much 24 - Jack Bower rubbed off on him…
Wouldn’t surprise me that the selected Cheney administration used waterboarding immediately after taking power.
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WHEN DID WATER BOARDING BECOME LEGAL?
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indict
indict
indict
Hey, I guess we have to cut Bush some slack. He was trying to get his “memo” in place. It’s like retro wire taps. The thought is what counts
Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . .
I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require.
Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause…
for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin
to themselves and their country.
George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force, Sept. 14, 1775
The terrorist former heads of the CIA are urging Obama to be like Bush and stop investigations that may reach them.
I would comfort them by saying that I for one have no interest in the CIA foot soldier. They are solid people doing the job they are ordered to do. The people I am interested in seeing prosecuted are the ones who gave the orders. Maybe the former heads of the CIA fear for their own culpability. I say when men try to divert and investigation, they are only proving the need for investigation.
CIA operatives apparently managed to operate within the law before Bush and the terror war. The workmen did not change. The leaders did. We need the soldier to tell us who gave him the order, until we reach the ones it started from.