Exclusive: Robert McNamara deceived LBJ on Gulf of Tonkin, documents show
Official government documents reveal new side of defense secretary’s legacy
Robert S. McNamara, Secretary of Defense from 1961 to 1967, took many secrets with him when he died Monday at 93. But probably no secret was more sensitive politically than the one that would have changed fundamentally the public perception of his role in Vietnam policy had it been become widely known.
The secret was his deliberate deceit of President Lyndon B. Johnson on Aug. 4, 1964 regarding the alleged attack on US warships in the Gulf of Tonkin.
Documents which have been available for decades in the LBJ Library show clearly that McNamara failed to inform Johnson that the U.S. naval task group commander in the Tonkin Gulf, Captain John J. Herrick, had changed his mind about the alleged North Vietnamese torpedo attack on U.S. warships he had reported earlier that day.
By early afternoon Washington time, Herrick had reported to the Commander in Chief Pacific in Honolulu that “freak weather effects” on the ship’s radar had made such an attack questionable. In fact, Herrick was now saying, in a message sent at 1:27 pm Washington time, that no North Vietnamese patrol boats had actually been sighted. Herrick now proposed a “complete evaluation before any further action taken.”
These documents were reviewed by this reporter in researching my book, Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam.
McNamara later testified that he had read the message after his return to the Pentagon that afternoon. But he did not immediately call Johnson to tell him that the whole premise of his decision at lunch to approve McNamara’s recommendation for retaliatory air strikes against North Vietnam was now highly questionable.
In fact, no call from McNamara to Johnson was recorded until 3:51 pm – 7 minutes after Johnson called him from his private quarters. Had Johnson been accurately informed about the Herrick message, he might have demanded fuller information before proceeding with a broadening of the war. Johnson had fended off proposals from McNamara and other advisers for a policy of bombing the North on four separate occasions since becoming President.
But when McNamara called Pacific Admiral Grant Sharp shortly after speaking with Johnson, it was not to order a full investigation or to seek more detailed information. In fact, McNamara didn’t even bring up the Herrick report. Instead, he seemed determined to obtain a statement from Sharp that would make it unnecessary to wait for further investigation. “There isn’t any possibility there was no attack, is there?” asked McNamara.
Sharp insisted, however, that the commander on the scene was saying “the situation’s in doubt” and suggested that McNamara “hold this execute” – meaning the strike order to CINCPAC and Seventh Fleet — “until we have a definite indication that this happened….” Sharp said he believed he could get a “definite indication” that the event had occurred within two hours.
But McNamara rejected Sharp’s proposal to wait for confirmation of the attack. Instead he said, “[I]t seems to me we ought to go ahead on that basis: get the pilots briefed, get the planes armed, get everything lined up to go. Continue the execute order in effect, but between now and 6 o’clock get a definite fix and you call me directly.”
McNamara didn’t claim that he had authority from Johnson to make that decision.
After the conversation with Sharp, McNamara didn’t call LBJ to report on what Sharp had told him or what they had agreed on, according to White House phone logs. Instead he went ahead on his own to issue the execute order at 4:49 pm.
The next phone call, which came just one minute after that order was sent, did not come from McNamara but from LBJ. That brief phone conversation, which was not recorded, was followed moments later by a call from McNamara to Johnson in which he the Secretary said the story had already been broken by wire services that a meeting at the White House that night would brief congressional leaders about a second attack on U.S. warships.
McNamara urged Johnson to authorize a statement by the Pentagon about the attack. He’d somehow found the time during the previous hour to draft a statement reaffirming the attack, which he read to Johnson. It said two U.S. warships had been attacked by patrol boats, but that the North Vietnamese boats had been “driven off.” It concluded, “We believe several of the patrol boats were sunk. Details won’t be available till daylight.”
Neither McNamara nor Johnson alluded in that conversation to Admiral Sharp’s seeking confirmatory evidence – a matter that would surely have been on LBJ’s mind if McNamara had told him about it.
The record of phone McNamara-Johnson conversations on the afternoon of Aug. 4, 1964 thus shows a President who was blissfully unaware that the original reports of an attack were now in doubt and that the Commander-in-Chief of Pacific forces was still seeking to obtain confirmation of the attack.
Ultimately, National Security Council documents declassified in 2005 (PDF) would reveal that no attack on US warships had taken place.
It “is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night,” they said. “In truth, Hanoi’s navy was engaged in nothing that night but the salvage of two of the boats damaged on August 2.”
Reporter confronted McNamara in 2004
This writer confronted McNamara with that record in a phone conversation with him on Feb. 24, 2004. His response was that telephone calls were not the only way he had to communicate with Johnson and that he could have told Johnson about the military’s unresolved doubts at the National Security Council meeting which took place that night at 6:15 pm.
Unfortunately for McNamara’s alibi, detailed official notes of that Council meeting taken by NSC staffer Bromley Smith, marked “Top Secret Sensitive, For the President’s Eyes Only,” show that McNamara again asserted unequivocally that the attack had indeed taken place.
After USIA Director Carl Rowan asked, “Do we know for a fact that the North Vietnamese provocation took place?” McNamara said, “We will know definitely in the morning.”
When I read those quotes to McNamara over the phone, he suggested that the notes were “not complete.” But McNamara was admitting, in effect, that he did not inform LBJ that afternoon about the Herrick report or about Sharp’s plea to hold off the execute order until confirming evidence had been obtained.
The records of the Tonkin Gulf crisis in the LBJ library also include documentation showing LBJ wanted to get the truth about what McNamara knew and when he knew it.
Even before the Gulf of Tonkin resolution was approved by the Senate Aug. 7, LBJ ordered a full account of the communications between the commanders of U.S. Pacific forces and the Pentagon on Aug. 4 and 5. The requested study was referred to as the “inquiry,” according to a handwritten note on a draft chronology prepared at the Pentagon. It was to be based on the original tapes of all such communications, which were tracked down and transcribed.
McNamara altered transcripts of calls
The clearest evidence that McNamara was afraid of what the inquiry would reveal about his maneuvering on Aug. 4 is that the chronology produced under his personal guidance — where numerous changes were made on previous drafts in McNamara’s own handwriting — deliberately suppressed the most damning words from the transcript of his conversation with Sharp.
Not only did the official Defense Department chronology change the wording of McNamara’s question to Sharp so that it was no longer obviously a leading question, it also failed to mention Sharp’s revelation that Herrick considered the “whole situation” to be “in doubt” and was calling for “daylight recce” — or reconnaissance.
In addition, the McNamara’s chronology portrayed him as agreeing with Sharp that the execute order should be delayed until definite evidence of an attack was obtained. It reports, “McNamara says that even if definite confirmation of an attack is not forthcoming for another 2 hours, an hour would still remain and the execute order could then be issued.”
But McNamara had not said that the executive order could be issued after getting confirmation of an attack. He had said the opposite: “Continue the execute order in effect, but between now and 6 o’clock get a definite fix and you call me directly.” So that crucial sentence was omitted from the chronology.
McNamara did not want LBJ to know that he had rejected Sharp’s proposal to hold the execute order until the situation was clarified and had not even informed him.
There is more evidence in the presidential tapes at the LBJ Library that Johnson believed that McNamara had misinformed him about what had happened in the Tonkin Gulf. Six weeks later, McNamara and then-Secretary of State Dean Rusk went to Johnson with yet another claim that North Vietnamese boats had attacked a U.S. warship in the Tonkin Gulf and again urged a retaliatory bombing of the North.
This time Johnson expressed skepticism and complained about McNamara’s claim of an attack on Aug. 4. “You just came in a few weeks ago and said they’re launching an attack on us – they’re firing at us,” Johnson tells McNamara on the tape recording of the conversation, “and we got through with the firing and concluded maybe they hadn’t fired at all.”
Whether or not Johnson understood the seriousness of McNamara’s deception Aug. 4, he seemed to become even more resistant to McNamara’s views on Vietnam after the incident. That fall, during the presidential election campaign, Johnson began to challenge McNamara for his advocacy of bombing North Vietnam, even referring to his proposal as “your bombing bullshit,” according to accounts given by Assistant Secretary of Defense John McNaughton to Daniel Ellsberg, his then-assistant (who later leaked what would be known as the Pentagon papers).
McNamara’s deception was one of many maneuvers aimed at pulling Johnson into an escalated war in Vietnam. But it is perhaps the only one in which McNamara’s role shifted from tough bureaucratic in-fighting to usurping presidential authority, in effect, on an issue involving the use of military force.
On the following audio file from The Lyndon Baines Johnson Library, Johnson can be heard telling McNamara that he had misinformed him about the alleged attack:
A pdf file of the McNamara/Sharp transcript can be accessed at this link.
A pdf file of the chronology of events that McNamara prepared for Johnson can be accessed at this link.
Gareth Porter is an investigative journalist and historian who covered the Vietnam War as Saigon Bureau Chief for Dispatch News Service International in 1970-71 and taught international studies at the City College of New York and American University from 1982 to 1990. His book Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam, documents US policymaking on Vietnam during the Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson administrations. He has a doctorate in Southeast Asian politics from Cornell University, and currently covers diplomatic and military affairs for Inter Press Service.
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This is not news. Most of us have known this for 40 years.
If it makes anyone feel better both of these slimeballs are roasting in hell or were reincarnated as Antarctic penguins huddling in the frozen tundra. Someone should desecrate that treasonous piece of shits corpse!!!
Tomorrow they will release a document showing McNamera coordinated the ASSASSINATION of JFK with assistance from the defense industry.
budzilla: what are you talking about? you knew mcnamara and johnsons internal communications regarding gulf of tonkin in 1969? how did you know that?
Those documents are not the only source of information.
Check “Pentagon Papers”
As a Viet Vet, I have been aware of the Gulf of Tonkin “incident” for about 20 yrs. I know a retired Navy pilot that was in the area at the time jets were scrambled. There was nothing there. This also explains how McNamara got to be prez of the World Bank. I’m glad he lived to a ripe old age to be able to reflect on his “accomplishments”. I can only hope they bury him somewhere close so I can regularly “water” his grave.
Are we going to let this happen again? We all know we were lied to about 911, Iraq and everything else. So what are we going do about it this time? Just sit there and watch TV again, while our government kills innocent people?
Budzilla - You’re right this is not news.
Prime - We have let it happen again with IRAQ. Consider this; a person “deceives” the white house and 40,000 people die. The white house deceives the nation (regarding IRAQ) and thousand of people die. In both cases nothing happens to the liar(s).
Yes this will happen again and again until such people are tried and executed.
Of course he deceived him. That’s what Republicans do best and Johnson paid dearly for keeping him on after Kennedy was assassinated. I wouldn’t doubt McNamara was privy to information as to
who carried out that assassination either.
I lost two good childhood friends in Nam because of these fucking slimewads.
Johnson was a scumbag! He knew everything. Don’t let them fool you.
I am not searching for someone to blame
But,
Whatever happened to the United States of America?
maybe it never existed?
BS, Johnson was in the loop.
May he rot in hell… for eternity. The same goes for Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Perle, Wolfowitz, Powell, Rice, Feith, and several dozen other traitors to America.
And Bush-Cheney supporters are traitors to America, too.
May Bushies rot in hell.
this is a fascinating story…. but… how did an operator like johnson let mcnamara snowjob him like this? that, to me, is amazing.. how did mcnamara pull it off?
and johnson… why didn’t he dig deeper? what was going on in his head? is this the beginning of the inner conflict that led him to resign? was he the commander in chief or not? who was running the show?
thanks for this report…
I hope that piece of shit is rotting in hell. he has the blood of 58,000 Americans, 2 million Vietnamese, countless wounded and disabled people on his soul.
Yes indeed.
“Who runs the show?”
If this is not old news to you, you’ve had your head up your ass for40 years or as long as you’ve been out of high school…. As far as I can tell America existed until the war profiteers from the civil war amassed so much wealth that they could manipulate the economy thus being able to make or break politicians. We had 60 years of the new deal that was the only time in American history that the working class could get ahead in any way except for stealing Natives land and developing it. The New Deal has been systematically taken apart and no longer exists in any meaningful form. I knew the rulers were serious about causing, and that another major economic collapse was coming when in 1999 the Republiscum congress, with Clinton on the ropes, repealed the New Deal regulation against Insurance Criminals, and Banksters combining their businesses . They’ve been working on this a long time, and with the support of the Christian Zombies, I think we’re f#cked. The only hope,I can see, for America is straight up armed insurrection. But, the only younger men that aren’t brain dead, drug addled, or not caring, are the ones that have been indoctrinated, and programmed, by the Christ Cult. They staff our armed forces, police, most government offices… It’s going to be ugly! Within twenty years of subverting the Roman government, the Christians were nailing heretics alive to their church doors. Our turn!
Sorry, I guess I got off topic. But it’s the “same old people and the same old crimes”, But they never seem to pay their dues do they?
I’m tired of these old war criminals and corrupt executives and politicians “running out the clock” by dying.
They need to go to prison a lot more quickly, so they can die where they belong.
Just “smoke and Mirrors” fabricating an illusion that the Gulf of Tonkin was not a staged event or false flag terrorism.
Johnson was one of the biggest scumbag Presidents in history.
Just like Pearl Harbor and the more recent Iraq wars the intel was molded by our Bankster friends who require an atmosphere of perpetual war to fill their coffers.
Rot in fucking hell, McNamara.
War criminals WILL be war criminals.
The idea that Johnson didn’t know the Tonkin Gulf attacks and he was being set up to attack North Vietnam is interesting. Why was McNamara so hot to attack North Vietnam? Good ol’ Murkin anticommunism or something a little more pragmatic?
a perfect illustration of why we shouldn’t let war criminals take their secrets to the grave with the aid of White House secrecy
anyhow, like others have said people have known this was all a lie for decades, just like we know now and will forever know about all the war criminals alligned with the Bush administration, so why are we beating around the bush on this
You could be in a coma for forty fucking years and wake up and figure out they are lying about the occupation of Iraq.
THEY LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING!!!
The Gulf of Tonkin lie sent almost 60,000 patriotic soldiers to their deaths! Not only did they send them to their deaths but they did so via the unconstitutional draft. The government had no right to commandeer their souls. They DID NOT and DO NOT own human beings.
Putting this into perspective its pretty cut n dry that Pearl Harbor was allowed to occur, and we KNOW Iraq was also a war we were lied into,
What would make any sane and rational human being that comprehends that this country sent almost 60,000 Americans to their deaths on a lie that they wouldn’t send 3000 “expendable” human beings to their deaths on 9-11-2001 to further their agenda?
Needing hip boots now. Maybe we’re getting a little too close to finding out what happened with JFK and RK.
Yes indeed. Let’s catch any of the bastards that are still alive and string them up.
When interest groups want a war, it is easy to manufacture the necessary pretext. Then it was Tonkin; after it was WMD in Iraq and now it’s more of the same in Iran and Syria. Vietnam was not America’s first military defeat but certaintly its greatest to date. Are we to offload responsibility on one high-profile individual for that?
Yes, Mr. McNamara was a party man with his share of blood on his hands but he went on to experience deep remorse. At the World Bank general meeting in Copenhagen in 1970 (or 1971?), there he stood as its president in front of everyone and cried openly.
What scares me is the vindictive attitudes in too many postings here and elsewhere.
Through his tears, Mr. McNamara had risen above that.
As for vindictiveness, it will be very easy to mobilize for Afpak, Iran, Syria and other likeminded adventures.
NO.
“I’m sorry” is not a defense to war crimes.
If he failed to keep LBJ informed in a reliable and timely manner about the Gulf of Tonkin, he is just as much a war criminal as the vile little capon chickenhawk who lied to the world about WMDs.
Again, “I’m sorry” — or “repenting”, as adulterous Republicans do — is NO defense. A war crime is a war crime, a war criminal is a war criminal.
MacNamara was a war criminal who escaped punishment. This is most unfortunate. MacNamara should have been hanged for Vietnam.
Update: “We need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards” is the new defense for war crimes.
Arthur-I’m assuming you’ve never been to war. Let me explain something. People die..in front of you. Body parts fly. Families are destroyed. We wiped out about 4 million Vietnames…based on a lie and greed. McNamara’s 20 pieces of silver to sell his soul was becoming head of the World Bank. Ya know, the folks that profit from this shit. So Bos cries in front of his fellow profiteers and you’re OK with it? If he felt so much remorse, why not address the nation(s) that he screwed over not to mention the 60k dead, 500k wounded or the Agent Orange guys that croaked? Justice delayed is justice denied. May he burn in Hell.
This is a historical pattern. This was Vietnam War’s Reichstag. I expect in 10 to 20 years documents and multimedia will be released showing the truth about 9/11 as an inside job. But the totally apathetic political, justice, and media will ignore and sit on it, in favor of whatever new military death adventure is taking place at that time.
60,000 American deaths, 3000 American deaths, I wonder, do you even give a damn about the MILLIONS of deaths that other people suffer as the results of those conflicts… Of course you don’t. How many U.S. children have died in the last 70 years from war? How many children around the world have died as a DIRECT result of U.S. military action in the same time period? War is profitable mostly for the weapon makers, sure, some other industries have figured out how to get some of the crumbs, like blackwater and halliburton, but what they make is just crumbs compared to lockheed, boeing, bell textron, and their ilk. The american empire is fast coming to an end, and the rest of the world has come to hate us to the last man woman and child.. Proud to be an American is fast giving way to denying having ever been to america.. Don’t worry, the next empire to rise will be even MORE ruthless, cruel, and inhumane(that’s the deal about empire, the new ones have to “show up” all the ones before it).. Only thing is America(or more likely americas fragmented remains) will be where that new empire inflicts its worst atrocities.. Payback has been and always will be one serious beeeyatch.
What’s the deal?
The NSA declassified “Spartans in Darkness: SIGINT and the Indochina War 1945-1975″, by Robert J. Hanyok, Center for Cryptologic History, National Security Agency, 2002. (United States Cryptologic History, Series VI, The NSA Period, 1952-Present, Volume 7) in January 2008.
Read Chapter 5.
There is nothing new about this report. The NSA history gives the impression that there was a probable conspiracy amongst uniformed DOD to start the war. My impression was that it was the Admirals that made it up, unless my memory is faulty (it’s been over a year since I read it).
The question is really if McNamara personally knew.
http://www.fas.org/irp/nsa/spartans/index.html
Could it have been a Chesty Puller stunt?
He had a plan to “win the war” in six months from the get-go.
If it was the Admirals that started it, Puller was in on it.
LBJ-Back in 1967,Israel bombing USS Liberty killing 34 navy men.Israel paited their gun boats and attack planes as Egyhptians. While Israel was being attacked–LBJ refused to send help–Until a brave young seamen–radioed in–They are not miggs but F16s.Stoog General McCain under orders from LBJ–made a ruling all military keep quiet and punishable to divulge–Israel did it.
LBJ-knew Israel was lying and worse was behand the attacks–for America to attack Egyhpt–nuke–worse,he almost pushed the red go ahead nuke button . How is it that Americans vote in such sick mean basturds :^/
This is as much a war crime as LYING TO THE WORLD about WMDs.
It’s time to rendition Bush and Cheney for their trials — preferably to Baghdad, where the authorities know what to do with their kind.
Duh….. the counter culture knew this 40 years ago. The Beltway is pathetically retarded.
Funny this stuff comes up the second the guy croaks.
This trove of damning information sat about for decades, and was only discovered after McNamara’s death? If that is true, does the fact embellish a case for a government attempt to improve the fourth estate, aka the “Victorian Gent?”