Swim club accused of discrimination sics cops on media
Published: July 8, 2009
Updated 4 months ago
Update at bottom: US Senator plans probe
A swimming club in suburban Philadelphia called the police on a Fox television crew attempting to report on allegations the club had rejected inner-city children because of the color of their skin.
More than 60 children enrolled in day-care in the basement of a Northeast Philadelphia elementary school were told to pack up and not return, after the Valley Swim Club in Montgomery County accused them of changing the “complexion” and “atmosphere” of the club.
Most of the children enrolled in the day care are black or Hispanic.
When Fox’s Philadelphia affiliate showed up at the club, “we were ordered off, we were told it’s a private club and we’re not welcome,” Fox reporter Claudia Gomez said.
The Valley Club’s president, John Duesler, said in a statement: “There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion … and the atmosphere of the club.”
One day-care attendee told the NBC affiliate in Philadelphia that he had overheard parents at the club complaining about the new children’s race.
“I heard this lady, she was like, ‘Uh, what are all these black kids doing here?’ She’s like, ‘I’m scared they might do something to my child,’” said camper Dymire Baylor.
The day care had paid nearly $2,000 in advance for a access to the pool every Monday for the course of the summer, but according to the Fox affiliate in Philly, the check was returned in full.
Duesler admitted some club members had complained, but said none of the complaints were race-related.
One day-care staffer told Fox that “she just can’t believe this is happening in 2009, with a black president in the Oval Office.”
US Senator plans probe
“The banning has caused so much controversy that U.S. Senator Arlen Specter (D-Pa.) plans to launch an investigation into the discrimination claim,” MSNBC reports.
The Republican-turned-Democratic senator, who is facing a tough reelection race, released the following statement:
The allegations against the swim club as they are reported are extremely disturbing. I am reaching out to the parties involved to ascertain the facts. Racial discrimination has no place in America today.
MSNBC also reports that the kids found a new place to swim, noting that “the staff at Girard College, a private Philadelphia boarding school for children who live in low-income and single parent homes, stepped in and offered their pool.”
“We had to help,” Girard College director of Admissions Tamara Leclair is quoted as saying. “Every child deserves an incredible summer camp experience.”
This video is from MyFoxPhilly.com, broadcast July 7, 2009.
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First they took the money,
then they rejected the race.
Big Trouble in so-called “Paradise”
~ Make sure those children have even MORE swim fun now ~
Recited to the sound of bongos and bells. Very groovy.
One day-care staffer told Fox that “she just can’t believe this is happening in 2009, with a black president in the Oval Office.”
I don’t mean any harm, but why did people expect that Obama’s election would suddenly cause winds of change in racial sentiment? If anything, it’s made those who were already on the fringe more entrenched in their racist attitudes and beliefs. I can’t speak for the families, but if it was me, I would organize a mass group “dumping” under cover of darkness and leave the pool workers with a nice present to fish out of the pool water the whole next day. Little brown reminders….
Spot on drdisgusted, spot on. You are so right and I agree with you. With a black president, it has entrenched them more into their little world of “safety” and ingorance. You and I both know this was about race, pure and simple. And the lady was worried about the black kids doing something to their kids. What about the WHITE ADULTS AND HER DOING THINGS TO THE BLACK KIDS. I feel sorry so sorry for the future of this country, because I truly think us whites are going to see a reality that we have put off for so long. A reality that is we are a minority in the world and truly one in the US. And sooner or later the rest of the races are going to get tired of this intolerance that is done by a handful of us and the complacency of the rest.
That day they may call us the niggers or be intolerant of us. We are putting are kids into a situation that they will have to pay for because of our hangups with race and intolerance and hatred.
info@thevalleyclub.com
Let them know what you think..
PHILLY POLICE BLOGGERS WEIGH IN.
Based on looking at the Philly police blog website Domelights.com, I wonder what the responding officers had going through their minds. The commenters at this police related blog look like those that get whipped up into a Frenzy by the ilk of Fox Nation/Drudge:
http://www.domelights.com/forums/index.php?s=f9e75845269d6f77f1ecc47a42b2b12a&showtopic=31404&st=20
The comments from the websites from a few minutes ago:
***”You mean, Half Black President in the Oval Office”
***The U.S. Census Bureau, in its Enumerator’s Reference Manual, instructs census-takers to “Report ‘Negro’ for Negroes and for persons of mixed white and Negro parentage”. This represents a change from the 1930 Census, in which only those persons having one-half or more Negroe blood were Negroes, Negro blood was listed as Negroes, while those having less were recorded as mulattoes.
The Bureau goes on to say: “A person of mixed Indian and Negro blood should be returned as a Negro, unless the Indian blood definitely predominates.” On the other hand, if you are of mixed white and American Indian blood you can qualify as white under the Census if you are not more than one-fourth Indian. The Census Bureau further instructs its enumerator to “Report race of nonwhite parent for persons of mixed and nonwhite races. Mixture of nonwhite races should be reported according to the race of the father.”
****Why,why,why,whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy must the race card be played every single fu%king time. I’m so sick of this bull crap. Why would there have to be a comment about “a black president being in the oval office”. What does barack obama have to do with this? Did white people brag about another white man being President the first 43 1/2 times?? Christ almighty give it a break. The double standards are amazing. If it were a camp of white kids going to swim at a mostly black swim club this wouldnt be a friggin issue at all. Just to mention michael jackson when the “rev” al sharpton spook about mj saying “im just making sure mj gets the credit in death that sinatra and elvis got”. First off elvis and frank werent going around touching little kids and having them sleep in bed with them. Cut me a break again. Stop crying about fu%king race because if you want to be “equal” stop making excuses about everything because your “minorities”.
*** i think it’s going to be very interesting when the next census comes out and whites become a minority group in the city
****Where is LATINO ? I waited 24 hrs. and no sign of this person. This is precisely the thread he/she loves. The perfect opportunity for LATINO to step up and explode on this screen. There really isn’t anything to stir,it’s done for you. I get a good laugh out of LATINO’s anger.
***If these were white inner city kids would the media give a hoot? I doubt it.
***Tomorrow’s headline is going to discuss how a group of DELIQUENT urban kids attended a private school and after the first week of classes were not welcomed back. Parents will complain how they pay THOUSANDS of dollars a year to send their kids to this private school and expect them to receive a good education, but now are unable to due to disruptive students. The race card will be played, and parents and school officials will be portrayed as members of the KKK.
***I’ll bet my eye teeth that the entire $1,950 came from a “grant” (read: tax dollars), and not the kids’ parents. My tax dollars are paying for: Keeping city swimming pools open, mainly in the inner city.
Sending inner city children to a privately owned swim club
You are nuts!! Your post is nothing but a crazy rant. If you read the story you would know that it is about race. The guy who runs the place said “it would change the complexion”
Get your head out of your ass and realize there is a race problem in this country and you are one of the reasons.
Pathetic
The real question is, when did Fox start thinking that racism was a bad thing? As the propaganda ministry of the republican party, Fox was probably there to champion the right wing swim club.
I’m a bit skeptical of the claims myself, what were the complaints about, exactly? Nobody bothered to ask I take it? It’d kind of takes the bite out of the story if none of the complaints were race related. I don’t know, this story just smells like bullshit to me.
“If the children didn’t misbehave, we paid our membership in full, here’s the check to prove it, what else could it be? We were the only minorities there,” - From the Fox article. Did they misbehave? Were they obnoxious and disruptive? Seems like that’d be among the first questions to ask, unless the answer would ruin the story. That’s my guess.
Satan: I know that you are not as dense as you are trying to come across. It is not attractive. So, get real.
The Valley Club’s president, John Duesler, said in a statement: “There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion … and the atmosphere of the club.”
CHANGE THE COMPLEXION AND THE ATMOSPHERE OF THE CLUB.
One day-care attendee told the NBC affiliate in Philadelphia that he had overheard parents at the club complaining about the new children’s race.
“I heard this lady, she was like, ‘Uh, what are all these black kids doing here?’ She’s like, ‘I’m scared they might do something to my child,’” said camper Dymire Baylor.
WHAT ARE ALL OF THESE BLACK KIDS DOING HERE?
The Prince of Darkness watches Fox? And quotes it? How appropriate for a divisive issue such as this.
Read the fucking article and you should not be so skeptical. Do you people not read or just comment to comment???
Juan,
I understand your point. These are some of the Faux web headlines just from the last week of June. I feel dirty just reading the headlines…some of their sources are just as slimey. no surprises I suppose. Just a really sad waste of resources.
Obama’s Census Castrates Caucasians,
Repeat ACORN Voter Tells Judge “I”m a transvestite,
NAACP Rallies for Cop Killer on Death Row,
Immigrant charged with Molesting 9 Girls Under Age 8,
Sotomayor explains How Men Discriminate,
Michelle Obama Tells Kids to Eat Their Greens,
Latino Leaders Tell Illegals to Boycott Census,
Hugo Chavez Congratulates Obama,
Worst Photos of Michael Jackson plastered all over top Headlines,
Holder Wants to Change Racist Crack Cocaine Sentences,
Conyers: ‘The Powers That Be’ Made Me Back Off ACORN Probe,
Doctored Al Franken Photo,
Media Already Comparing Jackson to Obama,
Third Officer Shot by Illegal Alien in Sancuary City,
Drunk Illegal Immigrant Kills Mother and Daughter in N.Y.,
Obama Receives Praise From Hamas,
Diddy and Foxx Play Race Card?,
Soap Star Fired for Not Being Gay Friendly,
ACORN Rent-a-Mob Thugs to Harass Lenders,
Judge to Law Enforcement: Go After ACORN.
Beatnik free verse at its very best. John Milton is rolling over in his grave.
jhoffax:
You left the word “nigger” out of your tedious, lengthy, bigoted rant.
Thank you. If I hear about “reverse racism” one more time, I’m goin’ nuts. Aww, poor white people. The world is SO unfair to us.
These were PRE-SCHOOLERS. And white parents were afraid of them??!!! WTF??!!
Because they are PRE-SCHOLARS; we can’t let them get a foot hold especially in the shallow end of the gene pool.
jhoffax: Philly cop, Klansman, or both? Without knowing anything about the circumstances, it’s a bitch and kids acting like animals, case closed, because “we’ve all seen it.” Well, no, we all haven’t, especially since it seems to have happened only in your grubby, narrow little mind.
“Racism is a societies last line of defense against a minority group run amok.” Right! Those animals force us to be racist, because some of them act badly. White people act badly too, but they’re us, so that’s different, or, uh, something… . So what’s a minority group’s last line of defense against a majority that’s run amok–like jhoffax?
“Without knowing anything about the circumstances, it’s a bitch and kids acting like animals, case closed..”
No, it isn’t “case closed” I presented it as a hypothetical.
Reading and comprehension isn’t a strong point of yours, is it?
“Right! Those animals force us to be racist, because some of them act badly.”
Didn’t say that either.. You made it up.
Ya know, not to put too fine a point on this or anything but, MAYBE, you aren’t smart enough, or can’t read well enough, or both, to be out here playing on the interwebs with the grown ups?
Just a thought!
Hi there. My IQ is 162; I read your drivel, and you’re an asshole.
If your IQ falls within that range, then why do you abuse it? Jhoffax is a widely read bridge troll with a narrow and restricted point of view. He is a linguistic nightmare unworthy of your fine synaptic activity. Lift it up.
And let him get away with the implied claim that only those of limited mental aptitude disagree with him?
Really?
jhoffax: At least you had the sense to note “This won’t be a real popular sentiment, I’m sure.” Suffice it say, there are very few people here on TRS who would stoop to this level of understatement. You might want to think twice next time before sharing your racist views openly.
“You might want to think twice next time before sharing your racist views openly.”
Excuse me, but weren’t you just typing the “N-Word” a couple of posts ago?
Nice..
I’m guessing satan is on the right track here: the pertinent questions were not asked.
As someone that was in a Federally imposed busing school district in the suburbs of D.C. in the 60’s, where they bused many of the white kids from our community into an all black community and school, and brought many black students into our all white community and school, I can assure you that indeed the “complexion” did change. To say it was the same as before, would be a lie.
And to tell me that our community didn’t have a right to expect to send their children to their schools, in their community, is just “feel good, P.C.” gibberish.
There were no barriers to moving to our community: both my folks worked (blue collar and white collar), and granny watched me during the day, so our family could live in a good community: no one handed my folks a thing. Mom’s father was an Armenian immigrant, she had suffered racism as a dark skinned child in Depression-era East Chicago and Detroit. Not to mention grinding poverty and hunger. Dad’s father had left them, and granny raised 3 sons and a daughter taking in Borders, sewing, and having a large garden/chickens to feed them.
Life for “white folk” hasn’t all been “peaches and cream”, so go shit in your own pool “drdisgusted.” And take “buckqjohnson1″ for a swim with you.
We had a family from Brazil next door for a long while, and a Japanese family behind us. But the white kids “needed” to be bused to an all black school 8 miles away and black kids to ours…….why, again?
An astute person can see the seeds of why many Democrats of the LBJ 60’s, became Nixon Republicans….playing on the Race Card. Lives on to this day.
That was a public school. We didn’t have a choice.
This is a private club, and perhaps returning the check was in reaction to incidents unreported. We don’t know: the reporting was weak. I suspect Fox News puts these type stories out, to elicit reaction from their Neandertal audience. “So easy, a caveman can watch it.”
Or, perhaps it was racism, the inner-city kids acted like angels, pure as the driven snow, and the evil club officials need to be tarred, feathered and then burned at the stake.
I’m guessing many of those posting comments here have never gone to school, or worked, in the “inner cities” of America. I’ve been the minority in many jobs I’ve had. You should give it a whirl before commenting…..racism and harassment work both ways.
The shame is that it couldn’t be worked out so the inner city kids had the club all to themselves on their Monday classes.
And in this economy, it does make me wonder exactly what incident prompted the refund.
Because “I’m like” I don’t believe this woman heard what she said she heard, and “I’m like” I need specifics.
Farang, I know that life on Walton Mountain had its drawbacks but we are past all that now. You can have your very own pool if you like.
JHOFFAX - Your drivel will be quite popular amongst the inbred redneck trailer trash cousin fuckers.
Let’s just leave your mom out of this for the time being and focus on what I posted.
jhoffax,
You are one sleazy racist — and I don’t like it when racism is brought into an argument as a red herring — but YOU
ARE. ONE. SLEAZY. RACIST.
The posting coach says that your post needs MOAR CAPITAL LETTERS!
You see, text is an imperfect medium.
To convey complex emotions, such as unwarranted self importance, general fucktardedness, or completely undeserved self righteous indignation, you NEED TO USE MOAR CAPS!
Next Time USE MOAR CAPS!
kplzthx..
“It’s a PRIVATE CLUB. They can do whatever they wish, racist or not..”
No, you THINK that’s the way it works, but it doesn’t.
Here’s an example. The Elks was male only since inception but now admits women. The offering of a membership is a public accommodation that can’t be denied on the basis of gender, religion, race, etc. The Elks now admit women as full members, not auxiliary. Lodges were informed that if they chose to deny a woman membership, they would be on their own in terms of their legal defense costs, and the national organization would not assist them in any way.
Black and white Elks still operate independently but that barrier is mostly by self-segregation: if any African American was denied membership at the “white Elks,” barring some blatant violation of membership requirements, they could sue and they’d likely prevail. They simply cannot discriminate.
This club can’t, either. This is one and one half hours on one day a week. Any arguments about the atmosphere of the club vanish when that is considered. White children swim there and evidently that is in keeping with the atmosphere of the club.
So if you’re still a little confused, maybe you should have a long talk with your invisible sky daddy about why he made you an ignorant bigot.
Isn’t there some right wing web site where exposing your lowbrow ignorance wouldn’t embarrass the living shit out of you, or are you the type that has no problem entering a crowded room of strangers and exclaiming at the top of your lungs: “Hey, everybody, look at me! I’m a fucking dumbass!”
Augusta National..
I like you, “trippin”. Well put.
I especially enjoy watching troglodytes like “jhoffax” twist themselves into pretzels coming up with new ways to justify their racism and ignorance.
farang: I have. And as far as your excuse-making goes, you can stuff it. Polish the turd and put a fresh coat of varnish on it, but your bigotry is still ignorance and racism dressed up.
“..your bigotry is still ignorance and racism dressed up.”
I assume you’re a democrat.. The party of racists..
And hypocrites, apparently.
Oh look, the Raw Story cry babies and reverse racists crawl out of the woodwork.
There’s even one up there typing the N-word to show how not racist he is.
How cute!
Fact is, none of you would appreciate paying a membership fee to an exclusive club, only to have a bunch of yahoos come in and ruin it for you… Regardless of what color they are.
I’ll also bet you’re not “ZOMG! NOT RACIST!!11!” but you support AA!
What a bunch of hypocrites.
It’s just pathetic. We’ve even got a guy up there who wants to poop in the pool.
Ever wonder why no one takes you seriously? Even your elected leaders?
Re-read this thread!
Keep digging, Hoffa. It’ll fall in on you soon enough, and we’ll be rid of you.
Remember, MOAR CAPS!
Anti-racists USE ALLOT OF CAPS!
PS: I notice that ONLY ONE person here attacked the substance of my post directly..
The rest of you ding-dongs just foam and spew nonsense and hate.
You’re like a bunch of little kids..
Are you all developmentally handicapped or just sneak into he study to type “racist” and the N-word over and over on daddy’s laptop?
Wow. You snidely tell others to use “moar caps,” and then you use ALL CAPS in your reply!
Kinda says it all, don’t it?
Hoffa, the noxious content of your character so overwhelms the content of your post that I ignored it. And will continue to ignore it.
You are a low-IQ racist.
It’s so funny, so freaking funny Jhoffax comes out and in a roundabout way say’s that minorities (blacks) come and say racism all the time and in then makes a statement that RACISM IS THE LAST LINE OF DEFENSE OF A SOCIETY (MAJORITY) WITH MINORITIES RUN AMOK! It’s like he says I’m not a racists but I hate niggers and they should become extinct. His whole argument is destroyed by his defense of using racism. Also farang busing was done because they found out that even though schools was desegregated back in 1954, there was still inequalities due to school funding (tax money going to the better schools) and local politics (fancy term for many of the local govt. was controlled by whites). And you know what there was problems from disciplinary issues with the students because of the busing. But it had more to do with one group having been abused segregated and enslaved and the other being told that those people are animals, those people don’t have a soul etc. etc.. What the politicians knew or didn’t know was that no law can get a person to change unless THEY CHANGE. So when I hear farang and others say somewhere in there statement that it’s a free country and a person or group can do what they want, thats a fallaci.
If you really wanted a free society to do whatever you wanted, then the strong takes from the weak all the time. If my tribe or group or neighborhood wanted your wife or girlfriend for enjoyment, then we take her and there’s nothing you can do. What we have in this country is a controlled freedom (try yelling fire in a theater and see what happens), and as long as YOUR FREEDOM DOESN’T INTERFERE WITH THE FREEDOM OF ANOTHER. Alot of us forget about that last part, but guess what Narcissism is about us and not them. So any time “them” say anything that goes against us, they will always be wrong because whats important is “us” and our world view and not “them”.
Being an Irish-American my grandmother my father and my great grandmother told me about he racism that was experienced by the Irish in the US. They used to call us spud niggers, paty, always o’brien (didn’t matter what your name was), lazy Irish etc. etc. etc.. They even considered us a seperate species believe it or not. Then once our numbers started to become more in the majority and we where able to get into positions of power, that stuff was still there but it fell to the wayside and it went to the blacks. I have friends that are highly racists and I have to get into a debate with these guys all the time. For the people who are couching their racism I ask what is the real reason you don’t want blacks around truly whats the real reason.
It took everything from me to get it from the idiots who where being so intolerant but it comes down to really one thing. They can’t stand the idea of competition for “our” females, pure and simple. A tribal response, that has been around for thousands of years. In there mind they see that black man with a white woman and they tell me, “Why is that woman seeing that nigger, instead of me”. And it’s the truth believe it or not, you won’t see the neo-nazi websites saying that, they will say everything else (animals, rapists, etc. etc. etc.) but won’t say that. And that’s because if they admit as my friends did with me in public, it would show weakness in them. It would show that they have some form of emotional or mental problem.
This was pure racism through and through, and the denial from those few on even a anon blog saying it wasn’t is funny. If you don’t like blacks or hate them or whatever, state it and state your argument. But by saying that it didn’t happen when the usual code words where used to say we don’t want blacks in our pool, says that your either in delusional denial or your naive to the world.
“Jhoffax comes out and in a roundabout way say’s that minorities (blacks) come and say racism all the time..”
Yes, I did. Much as zionists hide behind the “anti-semitism” canard.
“..then makes a statement that RACISM IS THE LAST LINE OF DEFENSE OF A SOCIETY (MAJORITY) WITH MINORITIES RUN AMOK!”
Yes, I did.. Actually, it is better to use the word discrimination, and what I said is completely accurate.
When the government fails to protect society from a minority which chooses to behave poorly, society protects itself via discrimination.
Even the Rev Jessie Jackson himself admitted that this is true.
“..It’s like he says I’m not a racists but I hate niggers and they should become extinct.”
I said no such thing. You made this piece of hyperbole up and offered it up in lieu of a legitimate argument.
“If you really wanted a free society to do whatever you wanted, then the strong takes from the weak all the time. If my tribe or group or neighborhood wanted your wife or girlfriend for enjoyment, then we take her and there’s nothing you can do.”
What you posted here appears to be ridiculous hyperbole. It has nothing to do with the topic at hand and is only offered because you are unable to post a logical, coherent, contextual response.
I only quote it to point out that it effectively equates to Darwinism.. You know, the official religion of the left, when taken to its logical conclusion.
lol..
PS: I wish to expand on what I typed in the above post.
It reads:
“Yes, I did.. Actually, it is better to use the word discrimination, and what I said is completely accurate.
When the government fails to protect society from a minority which chooses to behave poorly, society protects itself via discrimination. ”
While the usual collection of Raw Story geniuses (And reverse racists) undoubtedly either equate this statement with lynchings or guffaw that it is untrue, I would like to point out that this is a common behavior. It is normal and completely desirable.
Case in point: we are all familiar with the term “White Flight” However, even affluent Blacks flee misbehaving, inner city groups that behave poorly when their government refuses to protect them.
So even affluent Blacks won’t tolerate inner city criminals, who ALSO happen to be, statistically speaking, other blacks. What do they do? They move away from them! Out of the city, into the suburbs. They send their children to private schools.. They JOIN PRIVATE CLUBS, just like the one we’re discussing here.
Are THEY racist? Why should they put up with a the tyranny of a minority who CHOOSES to behave poorly? What do they owe these people? Did they not decide to behave like a bunch of savages and drive their neighbors away? Will screaming “racist” or “Uncle Tom” mitigate the poor behavior which prompted them to segregate themselves in the first place?
FACT: Reasonable people simply won’t sit for a minority who serially misbehaves, regardless of what color they are. They will discriminate against them as a means of self defense.
To dispute this obvious truth with cries of “bbbut you’re rassis! OMG ! RASSIS! THATS RASSIS!!!” says much more about you than it does about them, or me for simply pointing out something which should have been obvious to you all along.
I will now retire and leave you ding bats to type “rassis! ZOMG!RASSIS!!!DAAAAAAAAAAASSSRASSIS!!” till your little fingers turn blue.
Hey JHoffax your ranting and hatred grows tiresome….you know they have xanax for ignorant bigots like you. It won’t erase your hatred but it may cut down on the spewing crap you produce.
Jhoffax:
““..It’s like he says I’m not a racists but I hate niggers and they should become extinct.”
I said no such thing. You made this piece of hyperbole up and offered it up in lieu of a legitimate argument. ”
Yes, it is hyperbole, what part of “It’s like he says” don’t you understand. It tells everybody you didn’t say it, I’m making an observation of your comment in regard to you giving an impression that minorities using the race card all the time, yet you think it’s okay to use racism on societies (majorities) idea of minorities running amok. So to the minority everything is based on what the Majority (white) think is okay or not okay for them to do in their presence. If you can’t figure out what you have said is a catch 22 for minorities then there’s nothing that can be said to convince you.
Don’t give yerself carpal-tunnel, there, Buck. Reasoning with Jhoffax is pointless, since his distorted inbred egotistic self-righteous half-inflated mind is incapable of self-evaluation, the hallmark of actual intellect.
Betcha his attitude toward minorities has something to do with his vestigial pudendum. I know that term usually (but not always) refers to female genitalia, but in Jhoffax’s case it probably fits.
Or doesn’t, if you catch my drift.
“I’m only half “black”, can I just go into the water up to my knees.”
Sarcasm to the HILT ! ! !
Reading this has been the most fun I’ve had with my pants on .
Dymire Baylor… John Duesler,
Perhaps you should call your pool the “Arian Swim Club”
~
P.S. ~ Peek-A-Boo… Cap-I-tain . . .
~
It’s funny how the racist trolls are all acting like they aren’t, but their racism is obvious. Go back to Red State.
And which state might that be?
Is refusing to swim in a pool with non-white children sillier than refusing to swim in a pool with people who have big ears? Does either one make much sense?
I. Although dangerous, racism can also be funny. My wife once laughed when she saw a documentary about a famous black singer (Marian Anderson) they refused to let sing at the “Lincoln” Center because of her skin color. I asked, “what’s so funny?” She said, “it was funny cause it didn’t make sense.”
I thought about that for a while. I thought about a famous Irish tenor (Ronan Tynan) with big ears, who sings the national anthem once in awhile at Yankee Stadium. What if they wouldn’t let him sing because of his big ears. She was right, it was pretty silly not to let her sing because her skin was not white.
II. History teachers (I’m one) have a hard time these days explaining racism or slavery. The kids in school, just don’t get it. They keep asking why — when it comes to racism.
Returning Confederate soldiers were not happy to discover that they fought for years in order to try and maintain a way of life for a few aristocratic land/slave owners. Some are still upset. Unfortunately, today, many people are also being manipulated by the aristocratic party of big business (republicans).
III. The only way racists will ever change, is for them to struggle with racism until they change their minds. I did, when I was a younger. I’m glad I don’t have to face that issue on judgement day.
I believe that many are truly struggling with their thoughts. Some are even rationalizing why they don’t like President Obama. Instead of admitting the real reason, they call him a socialist, fascist, muslim, elitist, non-citizen, etc… I’m optimistic that their struggle will lead a few to change their minds.
…and if “they” choose not to change, then give them their own country. The ancient dinos were cold-blooded. The modern ones are cold-hearted and funny. They can call it Dinostan.
Looking forward to parts IV, V, etc. Keep working it.
Thanks grinder, I’ll work on it. …might not finish it in time before this article disappears. Unfortunately, there will be another opportunity soon enough.
Racism is about POWER attitude and decisions.
Having made the right decisions when in power.
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Jhoffax, you have lost this one, pal. No matter how fast you type, you cannot out run the truth. These folks are just not buying it. Stick to economics, race is just too colorful a topic for your DARK THOUGHTS.
grinder
“These folks are just not buying it. ”
Obviously.. Reactionaries see nothing but race every where they look.
Frankly, if a truck load of screaming white kids from some misbegotten day care someplace, came blasting into a private pool THEY paid a membership fee to use in peace, and THEY left.. They would fail to recognize a racial component at all. No cries of “OMG ! That’s Racist!!” would be forthcoming.
If black businesses failed to hire local skin heads because THEY chose to behave badly and invite discrimination upon themselves, no racial component would be acknowledged.. at all. In any way.
Every word I said is true. I don’t need the Raw Story comments section to validate it.
The double standards I see here, as well as some of the shoddy arguments and thinking, are just sad. Completely lacking in critical thought. Almost intentionally so.
Jhoffax it could very well be that you see double standards because your vision is flawed. Maybe it’s time for some new glasses.
The arguments are shoddy because they are too complex; they attempt to encompass too much. All thinking is critical but some of it is unfair. Race is not an issue that can be discussed using the agricultural and livestock paradigms embedded in our language. It is an emotion beyond our involuntary capitalistic appraisals.
You might consider cutting back on the weasel words; they paint you as a sucker.
grinder
“Jhoffax it could very well be that you see double standards because your vision is flawed.”
Likewise, I would suggest the problem lies with the narrow, reactionary mindset of the patrons here.
My first marriage was an inter-racial one. During my lifetime, I’ve dated more more women of more nationalities that most of you have ever spoken with. In my opinion, most of the patrons here are just wrong and willfully (<- Emphasis) blind when it comes to issues of race. Double standards and a real willingness to rationalize poor behavior and cultural failings pervade this place and its comments.
Oddly, this is primarily an American phenomenon. For example, foreign born blacks do not display NEARLY the propensity to play the race card as American blacks.
Why this is, I do not know. What I do know is many foreign blacks consider themselves superior to American blacks and are repulsed by their behavior.. (Namely, blaming racism for all their ills… Be they real or imagined) As are many Asians, fwimbw.
These blacks (And Asians) are typically educated, self assured and fluent in several languages. Perhaps they are so accomplished and secure with themselves and their abilities that they no longer use the lowest common denominator (skin color) to self identify? Perhaps it can be attributed to their upbringing?
Regardless for the reason for this shift in attitudes, I believe we’re all the better for it.
You can’t have a frank, honest conversation till you’re willing and able to be both frank and honest with yourself, as well as those around you.
Jhoffax, your history of amorous conquests casts as large a net as your criticism of this forum. You have influenced the mindset and criticism of the patrons here by the very content of your reactionary posts. They are inflammatory, predictably shallow, insulting and insidious. They lack the very objectivity that you expect in others.
Perhaps your marital problems have put you too close to this issue to be reasonable about it any longer. You have become what you loathe.
On the other hand, your punctuation, sentence structure and verbal cadence is improving. Now go out a get a fresher perspective and join the family of man. You have no future as a closet bigot. Look to the issue avoid the emotion.
grinder
“They are inflammatory, predictably shallow, insulting and insidious.”
No, no.. The evidence would suggest otherwise..
Re-read the thread.
The vast majority of Raw Story’s Mensa Chapter here can’t seem to do anything but hurl insults and implicitly insult the intelligence of the reader with absurd characterizations (If not outright lies) and hyperbole.
Srsly.. Re-read it. The (ahem) “enlightened” and “intelligent” leftist showing here is extremely poor.
as a 48yr old white man, born in 1960….luckily no earlier…..I find this behavior abhorant in 2009 …….geez America NEVER learns does it? If it’s not blks,its Immigrants…..or the ol’ fall back and blame the Gays for everything wrong in America……this is pathetic…..tho actually LGBT people are the LAST Truely “allowed” to be discriminated aginst minority…it is NOT PC to be bigoted against someone due to race in 2009..so why is it still happening? I myself treat others as I wish to be treated,and Im not religious at all…….I don’t care who you are,how much money you do or don’t have,or the color you are,or what sex you are oriented towards………America Needs to WAKE UP,and LIVE UP TOO what it espouses…Liberty & Justice for All….? Really? Not so much in America , even in 2009…….Im a very disappointed and disgusted American….and Im truly sickened by the way America Treats LGBT Americans as well…..Pathetic!
Rextrek, this is a run on sentence. Its last word modifies everything before it. Try it again and be more patient with yourself.
Obviously we got to the right winger who thinks he’s pulling a fast one with an alternate identity. The trouble with these morons is that they assume going in that everyone is as bone-deep ignorant as they are.
You aren’t shocking anyone, asswipe, you’re just identifying yourself. I’ve ignored much more intelligent bigots than you’ll ever be.
Trippin, you need to take advantage of the “reply” button. I can’t tell which “asshole bigot” you are referring to. Thanks.
grinder
Big flash here. Now that U.S. Senator Arlen Specter (D-Pa.) has involved the entire US Senate in this matter I think we can expect some quick resolution. Drain the pool and rush to the beach like lemmings. A converted conservative is getting to the bottom of this (the deep end.)
jhoffax and niggermaniadotcom are one in the same. jhoffax is known for just posting here to get a rise out of folks. Then he posts under different screen names to add gas to the fire. Just ignore him, that’s what I’ve been doing. He’s a very sad individual who’s life is pitiful and probably very lonely. Posting on blogs is a way to connect with others - negative always gets lots of attention. Let’s all just wish him success on getting some mental health attention he so desperately needs.
Ah negative schizophrenia a waste of electrons, a toxic contributor. I had a cat with six toes up in Telluride. It hated itself kind of like jhoffax; prejudiced against dogs. Disciplined language creates a disciplined mind; it takes some effort and effort is what jhoffax needs to undertake. I never was able to teach the cat to write, though.
Thanks
grinder
Love your intelligent posts grindermonkey.
I have two polydactyl cats and neither of them hate themselves. They happen to be lovely mellow cats. I doubt the extra toes had anything to do with its personality flaw
Thank you. You are very kind.
“jhoffax is known for just posting here to get a rise out of folks.”
No.. I am known for speaking my mind to the tune of a thousand trained monkeys all typing nonsense simultaneously.
The rest of your post is an excellent example of this.
jhoffAX
You sure love to use the word monkeys. I wonder why? You really are an unhappy pathetic sorry excuse for a human being.
One trained monkey is all that is required to solve this problem. Simply drain the pool.
I know that Poster from the old Yahoo Boards. From dallasdimebags to I_hate_libs, It’s the same poster. It even has various sexual identities.
Just Ignore it.
So the members of the Valley Swim Club can’t be persuaded to share their facilities one morning a week (in return for a fee) with a bunch of inner-city black kids.
Classy.
I do have a 7 toed cat. He’s very sweet and loves everyone including the dog. However, his writing skills are limited to trying to knock the pen out of my hand and chewing on the paper.
As for the real issue here: the pool story.
I blame both the Camp & the Club for not realizing the problem prior to disapointing the children. The kids are the ones who walked away with hurt feelings. I’ll be interested to see what the real story is when it goes to trial. Not everything that occurs between Blacks & whites in this country is about racism. It’s the bigots and also Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson running around starting fires where no sparks exist. Again, I am more concerned about how that situation made the kids feel. grown ups can be crappy.
Thankfully, there was a pool available for the kids to go swimming nearby. As Groucho Marks said: “I don’t want to be a member of any club that doesn’t want me.”
The way I understood it was the Club had come on hard times and was renting out the pool to defray expenses. The Camp paid $1900 to the Club to use the pool.
Apparently the club didn’t check to see what color the kids were and only when they saw them, did they turn them away. It is a case of blatant racism = no other way to look at it especially in view of the comments made one of its officers - that it changed the “complexion”.
There is an even more interesting twist to the story - apparently the manager of the club is black and he refused to issue a statement. I guess he likes his job. There is video of this on the philly website.
I am posting the video
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Pool-Boots-Kids-Who-Might-Change-the-Complexion.html
This is what actually happened:
the valley Club is slowly going broke as are many swim clubs in the greater Philly area. They saw a chance to get some cash by allowing this daycare center to use their facilities. The members who pay for the club resent the kids and want to swim at their stupid club with their friends and neighbors. The sad thing is this will be the death nell for the Valley Club. The working/middle class in this country were screwed starting with Ronald Reagan.
The real racists are in Larchmont at the yacht club on the Main Line in Wayne.
Greedy theives who have destroyed America robbed our pensions, bankrupted our country.
We are a pathetic lot fighting amongst ourselves for crumbs while the wealthy eat the pie.
They can try to sue the valley club, in the end the lawyers will make theirs and the club will disappear. The clubs only asset is the property it sits on. To pay attorneys they will sell and hundreds of families who had nothing to do with this
will come to hate the people who brought the suite and invigorate another generation of racists
The courts have already spoken on this. Discrimination by race is discouraged.
seems to me that if this is a *private* club, they have every right to pick and choose who swims in their pool. They have the same rights as the Boy Scouts (no gays allowed), Augusta Golf and Country Club (no women), and the Belizean Grove (no men allowed). The ‘why’ is immaterial because they ARE a private club and as such they’re allowed to keep people out. Even poor little black kids.
And speaking of the children, we DON’T know how they were acting. The adults with them insist that they weren’t acting up, but maybe they don’t have the same definition of ‘acting up’ as someone else. Maybe one of the kids let loose an ‘f-bomb’, or shoved someone, or called another child a name. Maybe the councilors didn’t notice. Or maybe they see that as ‘kids being kids’. We simply don’t know. But maybe…just MAYBE… there IS something other than race involved here.
Not that it matters NOW, because everyone has decided that the *only* possible reason for these children to be turned away is because they’re black.
Fellow monkey, this is not a matter of privacy, it is a matter perception. Privacy is a privilege, something earned, not something acquired on the backs of children.
Another pin-dicked retard heard from. Why don’t you go someplace quiet and give ‘jhoffax’ a reacharound? It’s obviously what both you dorks crave.
You are not helping..
Perhaps you and the moron posting the N-word to show how “not racist” he is should get a room someplace?
Easy Denny you’re falling for it; don’t take the bait. Forgive him for he knows not what he types.
Priceless!! Love some Trippin.