Judge rejects argument Cheney needs to be shielded from Daily Show
Tired of waving the national security flag, Obama administration lawyers are apparently trying another tactic to get the courts to back Bush administration arguments which never worked to prevent the release of critical documents. Forget Qaeda or North Korea, late night hosts who tell jokes are why the government should retain its secrets.
“A federal judge yesterday sharply questioned an assertion by the Obama administration that former Vice President Richard B. Cheney’s statements to a special prosecutor about the Valerie Plame case must be kept secret, partly so they do not become fodder for Cheney’s political enemies or late-night commentary on The Daily Show,” R. Jeffrey Smith reports for The Washington Post.
The AP reports, “Justice Department lawyers told the judge that future presidents and vice presidents may not cooperate with criminal investigations if they know what they say could become available to their political opponents and late-night comics who would ridicule them.”
“If we become a fact-finder for political enemies, they aren’t going to cooperate,” Justice Department attorney Jeffrey Smith said. “I don’t want a future vice president to say, `I’m not going to cooperate with you because I don’t want to be fodder for ‘The Daily Show.’”
More from the Post:
U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan expressed surprise during a hearing here that the Justice Department, in asserting that Cheney’s voluntary statements to U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald were exempt from disclosure, relied on legal claims put forward last October by a Bush administration political appointee, Stephen Bradbury. The department asserted then that the disclosure would make presidents and vice presidents reluctant to cooperate voluntarily with future criminal investigations.
But career civil division lawyer Jeffrey M. Smith, responding to Sullivan’s questions, said Bradbury’s arguments against the disclosure were supported by the department’s current leadership. He told the judge that if Cheney’s remarks were published, then a future vice president asked to provide candid information during a criminal probe might refuse to do so out of concern “that it’s going to get on ‘The Daily Show’ ” or somehow be used as a political weapon.
Sullivan said Bradbury, who was the acting head of the Office of Legal Counsel, was not obviously qualified to make such claims and that they were in any event unsubstantiated. Sullivan said the department needed new evidence, if it hoped to prevail, and said the administration should supply him with a copy of Cheney’s statements so he could directly assess whether the claims are credible.
Politico’s Josh Gerstein adds, “Sullivan didn’t decide immediately whether the summary and notes of the Cheney interview should be made public, but the judge said Bradbury’s declaration was inadequate to justify withholding the records. He ordered the Justice Department to supplement its filings by July 1 and to produce the documents for him to examine in private.”
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Now we know he’s playing chess.
If you ever find yourself in the unfortunate position of having to defend something you know is wrong, fail. People who afterwards curse you for attempting to defend the indefensable are too shallow to know that in some situations, failure is the more honorable goal.
The obama team letting out a little more urine to sour our constitution. trickle trickle YOU HAVE BEEN “HOODWINKED” tell your friends, let’s see those poll numbers continue to drop.
aside from all the other issues involved, i just wanted to kind of laugh at the ‘competence’ of stephen bradbury. it is like the whole jock-patrol philosophy that bush had, to forget about competence or experience and just hire ‘loyal people’… has now finally bit him in the ass. . . . a top guy at his own legal counsel office made arguments that real, experienced judged and lawyers simply laugh at.
(im thinking of course, of radbury’s other top 40 hit.. the bradbury torture memos, and their really, horribly illogical arguments that just dont stand up to legal scrutiny very well)
basically he built a legal house of cards that could be knocked over with a tiny breath.
it is one thing to laugh and deride competence and experience… but you know, you are going to pay for it eventually.
Oh Bushbama, the only transparency in your administration is in similar it is to every other Administration.
It is time to call your Democratic Party offices and find out when the Presidential Primary for 2012 will start - let them know that the further the actions stray from the promises the more $$$ you will donate to Independent congressional candidates at both the State and National Level.
This country is looking like an abandon house - the grass roots are dying and the fridge (government) needs a serious cleaning - out with the old, in with the new
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A lot of these lawyers ARE Bush holdovers. Don’t forget, that’s exactly what the Bushies did before they went out - burrowed these people in deep. Obama won’t fire them outright - he’s letting them trip themselves up. Bradbury will be out soon - this kind of laughable incompetence is going to give him one bad job review after another. As they trickle out, they will be replaced by competent people. However, you’re absolutely right about keeping the pressure on. We should all be writing our Congresscritters daily. Get some of the stress out by telling them to prosecute for torture NOW.
The Obama administration isn’t coming up with NEW arguments because when judges ultimately rule against them, they aren’t ruling against Obama administration arguments, they are ruling against Bush administration arguments. Republicans won’t be able to blame Obama Democrats for POLITICAL REVENGE when the TRUTH comes out if they are making the SAME arguments that Bush Republicans made.
Now career civil division lawyer Jeffrey M. Smith will become fodder for the Daily Show. Let’s hope.
Are you serious? Bushbama and cohorts remember this… you want torture? (yes it is still going on and innocent people are getting kidnapped in Afghanistan and still being put in little boxes) or protect torturers? We may not be able to strongarm you into stopping the torture but we can make fun of you, your offspring, your sick world of money and influence, and stomp you into the ground as a total laughingstock. And we fully intend on doing this. People have been sort of nice until now. This is where Bushbama is headed.
Watch the joke he calls healthcare. He can waste trillions on it but if we don’t want it, and we don’t, because its a joke, we won’t participate. Case closed. Its not like the bank heist he forced on us…
“The department asserted then that the disclosure would make presidents and vice presidents reluctant to cooperate voluntarily with future criminal investigations.”
Yes.. so you make them cooperate via mandate. Problem solved.
This is only an issue because these people lie and manipulate and say outrageous things to try and fame the arguments, and when sane rational people find out, yes.. you become a laughing stock. The solution is to A) avoid being involved in criminal activity (not that hard), or B) if you have to “participate in a probe”, don’t be a dodgy fucktard and simply state the truth and everything you know.. playing games is pretty stupid (if not criminal).
What a total line of shit! Obama and his administration are more of a laughing stock of fucking morons they fuckwads they replaced. The sheep in this country better fucking wake up and get this asshole president out of office come 2012. Kucinich better run or at the least, offer to be a write in candidate.
Let’s see if I get this.
Any time we investigate political malfeasance, it has to be kept secret, because if it isn’t, it’ll be used by so-called “political opponents”?
Then why Kenneth Starr??
If Cheney wasn’t a miserable liar, there’d be nothing to joke about.
Please don’t think your threats of ‘watch out for next election’ carry any weight; the boogey men are in charge no matter who is elected.
If you wanna have an impact on creating the America we’ve been sold, you’re going to have to do some smart work behind the scenes.
Crawl on up in to the Belly of the Beast - gather the intel, make plans, act.
Can’t wait for Stewart to rip on this on Monday’s show …
Stewart’s been their helping to turn America’s faux-outrage about the illegal wars into a belly full of laughter this long, let him continue with his news-for-dumbshits laugh in.
You nailed it. Too many “lefties” think we’re “sticking it to the man” because we can make jokes at the neocons’ expense. Guess what: jokes aren’t doing SQUAT to get us out of Iraq, Afghanistan, or Pakistan. Too many people don’t understand that laughter is (in stressful situations) a stress-release mechanism; and if that’s the only way we relieve the pressure (i.e., as opposed to GETTING PISSED ENOUGH TO DEMAND REAL CHANGE), things will never improve. In other words, “hey, as long as we can still laugh about it, how bad can it be?” You can laugh all the way to a detention center, dumbshits.
don’t you just hate it when that freedom of speech thing gets in the way?
morons.
Damn you, Daily Show! How you mock the powerful and corrupt, hurting their feelings! Have you no sensitivity to the shame you have exposed?
Well, at least Dick Cheney still can depend for balance on his most trusted friend, Stephen Colbert.
Some people get it here and others, well? Obama is trying to protect the Presidency, he wants to be forced by the courts and Congress to make the malfeasance of the Bush Administration public. Then it can’t be blamed on him that he went after Bush and his cronies. Obama wants the people to speak and force their representatives to respond. He can only lay it out there and get reactions. As someone noted above, it’s like Obama’s playing chess. I’d prefer that Obama do a slam dunk but maybe he’s saving that for the 4th quarter.
poman
“Some people get it here and others…”
So you would be considered one the latter category then?
subpoena < mocked by comedian
I keep looking around for Ashton Kucher, cause we are certainly being Punked by somebody. The idea our tax dollars are paying for some idiot lawyer to argue we must withhold evidence of Cheney’s creepy criminality to protect him from Daily Show ridicule is just beyond effing belief.
Forget the threat from N. Korea… jokes on the “Daily Show” are more concerning????
WTF?!!
Mommy! Mommy! They’re making fun of me!
Wait a second!!!! Patrick Fitzgerald that republican hack attorney who has the goods on Cheney… Refused to uphold the law! Remember…his boss was replaced in the middle of the investigation by a “one of GW’s Yale buddies… It’s simple… Our justice department ??? What a joke? I don’t get it??? … If I’m ever subpoenaed… I’m not even showing up and I’m going to use these guys as precedent… And then go to jail!!!
The dems are weak… Very disappointing..
Here’s one. George W was a small government Constitutionalists. Like Obama is an anti war President getting our troops out!
Let see… as the old Bush administration left with their group of CFR advisers, the new administration put their group of CFR advisers from a previous administration. Change you can count on!
Soon the politicians won’t give us their names so they won’t be mocked by Letterman. Imagine the ballot: Vote for “A”, Vote for “B”, Vote for “C”. Then, when Letterman mocks “C”, they’ll ask for blank spaces where the names would ordinarily be. NOW THAT WILL BE DEMOCRACY!
” poman
Some people get it here and others, well? Obama is trying to protect the Presidency, he wants to be forced by the courts and Congress to make the malfeasance of the Bush Administration public. Then it can’t be blamed on him that he went after Bush and his cronies. Obama wants the people to speak and force their representatives to respond. ”
What. Gibberish. We did speak: it was called an “Election” or did you not notice?
Obama keeps the Bush Republican Gates as DefSec.
Obama appoints Mary Schapiro to head the “reform” at the SEC, after she hired a Madoff son to head an “ethics” committee.
Has the incompetent liar, the Republican Larry Summers, who opposed regulating derivatives, as the HEAD White House economic adviser. Could that be any WORSE a selection???
Appoints ANOTHER Goldman Sachs exec to head Treasury. KEEPS the idiot Republican Bernanke as Fed chairman.
Obama appoints McChrystal, the blatant torturer in Iraq, to command the ESCALATION of troops in Afghanistan, while instigating an illegal invasion of Pakistan, who is our ALLY. 26 TWENTY SIX innocent civilians MURDERED by US yesterday in Afghanistan MURDERED.
Yet looking at photos will “incite them against us”?
GET A CLUE!
Obama was elected to LEAD, not DEFEND this abominable garbage, this dragging of America’s name through the excrement of BushAmerika.
Obama has Rahm threatening Democratic Representatives with campaign funding cuts if they don’t bow and vote for his OBSCENE $160 billion “supplementary war bill.”
Obama has his DefSec request an INCREASE to $545 billion, (over half a trillion) for the DOD budget.
And we are to believe he gives a fuck about the “perception” that Republicans have? Like it would make a god damn difference the perception the MINORITY VOTERS have, while publicly SCREWING the base that voted him in.
His words say, his actions scream: HE IS A REPUBLICAN.
I’d say Impeach him NOW, but the replacement is an avowed “Zionist too.”
Right on down the succession chain: Crooks and conmen, scam artists of both sexes.
Sea Change, a complete disinfecting of D.C. is in order. Start by heeding this advice: Vote for ANYONE EXCEPT a Democrat or Republican in 2010. Then again in 2012.
poman: go play chess with your hero…..we’ll find a REAL POTUS.
You get it! Bushbama is the next faze in the enslavement of “We the People of the Republic”. When Bushbama got the Democratic nomination he came out with his family in the Fascist colors red and black! To those that still believe in this left/right paradigm wake up the Republic is in its last days and we are becoming the New Reich along with the UK and Australia! The enemy of the Republic is the private central banksters and there think tanks and the anti American organization the Council on Foreign Relation which Cheney is a member of!
Oh my goodness, it’s the Cheney snarl again! See how mean and dastardly he looks as he curls his lips back and hisses. This man is a snake needing a a stepping on. This is the man who ordered the deaths of 70,000 salmon when he refused them entry to their breeding streams. How many people and other wild critters could 70,000 salmon feed? Worse, the salmon could not breed so next year’s salmon run will be miniscule. Yes, it takes a man of courage and strength to order the deaths of so many fish. Those of us who have followed Cheney’s illegal activities know him to be a coward who has never faced an enemy in combat, yet he knows precisely how to torture “enemy combatants.”
Are you feeding a rat when you put cheese in the trap?
The Obama folks are getting nuttier than the Bushies.
What kind of pathetic scoundrel politician cites The Daily Show as a reason to keep his comments secret?
Cheney knows there are indictments coming aginst him.
The Administration is going through the motions.
They don’t want the fascist Right to accuse them of exposing the criminal Bush-Cheney Administration, but it will happen, slowly but surely.
I just want Cheney imprisoned before his ticker gives out.
poman
“Some people get it here and others, well?”
**In general, how much one criticizes Obama is largely a function of the areas on which one tends to focus. If I had spent the week writing about Iran, I would be largely defending — and praising — Obama’s very wise restraint, even in the face of bipartisan political pressure, when it comes to interfering in Iran’s internal political disputes. His private and public refusal to cheer on all of Israel’s policies is also commendable. Conversely, those who focus on gay issues have been understandably furious with the administration, and in the areas of civil liberties, secrecy, and his Justice Department generally, the administration has been nothing short of abysmal. Criticizing the Right for its support of these positions is understandable, but in our modern political culture, the President is, far and away, the driving force, and those who supported him can have far more of an impact pointing out, rather than ignoring, the role he is playing in advancing these policies.**
– Glenn Greenwald
“Get it”, poman? It’s called criticism.
No, repeat, NO President is above criticism, even if you worship or adore him/her as you seem to.
Chess…..LOL. Cling to that happy thought.