Former CIA station chief challenges claims that torture thwarted terror attacks
Two current CIA officers agree
Milton Bearden, a former Central Intelligence Agency Pakistan station chief who served at the agency for three decades, says claims that the Bush administration’s so-called enhanced interrogation techniques saved American lives are likely false.
The retired senior CIA officer also says that the former administration’s repeated assertions that attacks were foiled through torture are hurting US credibility abroad, endangering alliances and aiding the cause of would-be terrorists.
Bearden, who formerly headed the CIA’s Soviet/East European Division and served as station chief in Pakistan, Nigeria and Sudan, was a key figure in the funding and training of the mujahedeen in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation. He retired in 1994 but says he has communicated with contacts who agree they’ve heard of no evidence to support Bush officials’ claims.
If the Bush administration had proof of a plot stopped by enhanced interrogation, they would have produced it, Bearden says. “I cannot imagine that the system would not have leaked such a story,” he insists. “It would have been leaked in a New York minute.”
Former President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney publicly defended their harsh interrogation approach last month. However, the techniques approved by Bush administration lawyers in 2002 appear to be prohibited by both the Geneva Conventions and the United Nations Convention against Torture, to which the US is a signatory.
Slapstick plots
Bearden is intimately familiar with the countries that some of the most prominent terror suspects have hailed from. He dismisses many of the alleged terror plots which have been made public.
“They dredge up the slapstick plot of the Liberty Seven or the strange Lyman Faris plot which included a blowtorch,” Bearden said. “But when asked for something more substantive, the [Bush administration] retreated behind the screen of protecting sources and methods. We are told to trust them.”
“When challenged on any aspect of national security,” he added, “the standard collection of administration acolytes instantly dredged up the now well known list of interdicted attacks against us.”
Vice President Dick Cheney has vigorously defended the interrogation program in recent months. In May, the former VP said the specter of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 caused the Bush administration to respond far more aggressively to avoid any future attacks and claimed that many attacks were thwarted as a result of harsh interrogation tactics.
“Every senior official who has been briefed on these classified matters knows of specific attacks that were in the planning stages and were stopped by the programs we put in place,” Cheney insisted.
Alleged damage to national security
Bearden argues that since we already know the methods used — in some cases including waterboarding — there should be no reason to hold back on exposing more substantive thwarted plots. He also believes that making claims of a thwarted plot but being unable to lay the “intelligence on the table” is harmful to US national security.
“Ronald Reagan laid his intelligence on the table almost immediately after his retaliatory attack against Tripoli following the Libyan attack of 1986 on the La Belle Disco in Berlin,” Bearden said. “Reagan let it be known that we had the Libyan codes and did this before he felt even a twinge of heat from the public or Congress because it was the right thing to do.”
Perhaps most significantly, Bearden believes that by making unsubstantiated claims of success in preventing attacks, the Bush administration has actually undermined US alliances with other nations. Bearden and the others he’s communicated with have not heard of any significant plots against the United States that were uncovered by the Bush administration’s harsh techniques — and that, he says, weakens US standing in the world.
“I have never been able to understand how any responsible leaders could so vehemently stick to the excuse of protecting sources and methods while that very position accounted for a weakening not only of this nation’s alliances, but potentially strengthened our enemies,” he said.
Two active CIA officers agree
Two other CIA officers, who have asked to remain anonymous due to their ongoing involvement in covert operations, seconded Bearden’s skepticism that any domestic plots of significance were disrupted during the Bush administration.
“Certain officials of the Bush administration would have had no qualms about exposing any of our officers, operational methods and sources of information if it meant scoring political points,” said one CIA covert officer, whose focus is the Middle-East, referring to the outing of CIA officer Valerie Plame Wilson. “The fact that [the Bush administration officials] continue to use the protection of sources and methods as a reason for why they can produce no evidence of a serious plot is not believable given what they have already made public.”
Another current CIA officer who works the Near East agreed that if any plot had actually been disrupted, someone from the Bush administration would certainly have leaked the proof, noting, “Nothing is sacred to them.”
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a message for dick;
preach on, brother treasonous hypocritical war criminal. preach on.
trooper
Isn’t it great when we need one scumbag to dish out the dirst on even scummier scumbags?
“Ronald Reagan laid his intelligence on the table almost immediately after his retaliatory attack against Tripoli following the Libyan attack of 1986 on the La Belle Disco in Berlin,” Bearden said. “Reagan let it be known that we had the Libyan codes and did this before he felt even a twinge of heat from the public or Congress because it was the right thing to do.”
- It’s long been alleged that a transmitter was snuck on to Libyan soil to transmit the ‘codes’. Also, any moron could see that it would be more secure to simply place a phone call than to broadcast an order to blow up a disco via radio to Europe. Anyway, who gives a shit, we made up with Gaddafi. Will we make up with Osama too? What did Reagan do when asked about Iran-Contra? Did he lay it out on the table? No, “he forgot”, that’s why they say the weapons transfers to Iran were not authorized by the president. Bullshit.
The thing about CIA agents is that they are bags of human shit born to perpetuate and legitimize war and grand scale theft. It’s pretty simple, the war continues, the torture is misdirection.
Bravo, bro! Well and fitly said
satan: “The thing about CIA agents is that they are bags of human shit born to perpetuate and legitimize war and grand scale theft.”
i seem to remember a lot of CIA people trying to de-legitimize the iraq war…(valerie plame wilson helping get joe wilson to Niger to check on the uranium story for example)…. as well as expose and describe a lot of US foreign policy, a good example being Bob Baer, whose story the film Syriana is based on…
i dont understand how you can argue that all CIA agents are ‘bags of human shit’.
There’s truth in that. You could include Ray McGovern in there.
But on the other hand, even the best of them knows full well that “the Company” is 90% about subversion, and 10% about legitimate intel.
Even McGovern, whom I like and admire, and Phillip Agee, who blew the whistle on them better than all others, believed in what they were doing at least at the beginning.
But none of them can deny that the CIA has been a net disgrace. I wanna hear them deny it.
Further evidence of the guilt of the Bush-Cheney cabal.
TORTURE Is a Federal Capital Crime
punishable by 20 years to life, and death if the prisoner dies of torture.
Similar penalties apply just for conspiracy to torture, which certainly happened. Bush, Cheney and their Lawyers were all in on it.
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And their Bush-accomplice Dems in congress. You deliberately left them out. It’s best to be objective and NOT partisan because the “Dem Team” is no better than the “Repug Team.” In reality, it’s one big, corrupt, pro-war, pro-corporate, pro-Bush “team.” They just charade as two “teams.”
satan:
You know, I used to appreciate both Raw Story and the commentary I’d find here from fellow liberals. Increasingly, I’m appreciating Raw Story independent of the comments from readers, largely as a result of people such as yourself.
We torture; rightfully, you are outraged. A former CIA officer comes out of the woodwork to add his voice to those shouting down the advocates of torture, and… how do you respond? With more outrage? Is there anything you are *not* angry about? This man is speaking out AGAINST torture. Why are you angry?
CIA officers are people like any other: most are good people and most do what they do for the right reasons. CIA officers do not make US policy. They execute US policy. They’re soldiers like any other, albeit without a uniform.
It’s terribly amusing that you have such hubris as to purport to know what happened more accurately than the officer who came forward, as though you were on the ground in Libya or something, and for what reason? Because you heard “rumors?” This individual was simply trying to make a point in order to try and counter Cheney — aren’t you the LEAST bit happy about that? Can we not go into crazyland for just a second and let the man simply make a god damn point?
I’m seriously giving some deep thought to my politics these days, particularly after finding such a dearth of intelligence in the liberal world. We had all this solidarity under the Bush administration — increasingly, now all I’m seeing is that many of you want an excuse to hate and nothing more. You hate *everything* — you hate torture, you hate those who step forward to speak out against torture… and all that hate is anamthema to me. I’ll never be a social or political conservative…. but I feel orphaned in this place as a liberal.
Where are the people using their heads? Where are the people who don’t hate everything and everyone? Are you out there? Am I alone here?
“CIA officers are people like any other: most are good people and most do what they do for the right reasons. CIA officers do not make US policy. They execute US policy. They’re soldiers like any other, albeit without a uniform.” - You must be mistaking me for someone who actually has respect for soldiers, sorry pal, I have zero. The whole ‘break their legs and hand them a crutch’ aspect of their duties hold no water with me whatsoever. Why would they? Because they’re ‘just doing their job?’ Fuck their job. BTW, the intelligence they collect is used to shape policy, everything they do is about shaping policy, get a clue.
“It’s terribly amusing that you have such hubris as to purport to know what happened more accurately than the officer who came forward, as though you were on the ground in Libya or something, and for what reason?” - I’m simply parroting intelligence and information that’s been in the publics eye for 20 years. There’s nothing I said that would lead anyone to believe I was trying to make it sound like I was ‘on the ground’, that’s just dumb. Bearden didn’t “come forward”, he just made some comments that have been made before. What did he come forward with in respect to Libya that’s not been in newspapers? How about torture? So, the terrorist Gaddafi is our pal now, even after we dropped a bomb directly on his 3 year old Hannah. We’ve formalized relations with the guy who bombed the disco, don’t you think that’s odd? Lol, I think the way you started that sentence, “It’s terribly amusing that you have such hubris as to purport” is about the most arrogant thing I’ve read in a long time. Does you shit not stink? Would you like some Grey Poupon with that shit?
This idea you have that CIA officers are just a bunch of swell guys engaging in criminal activity all over the planet on behalf of wealthy U.S. corporations is what’s hubris, and as for your ‘rumors’ thing, perhaps you should spend more time reading the declassified memos that are available at the ODCI’s website. It’s pretty obvious they only hire sociopaths and scumbags and their levels of intelligence are really not all that impressive.
And are you calling me a liberal? Lol, go label someone else, call me an asshole or whatever, but don’t pretend you know my politics asswipe. I didn’t vote for Obama.
“You hate *everything* — you hate torture, you hate those who step forward to speak out against torture” - blah blah, I’m so fucking upset about the torture of three guys that I could almost forget there’s two wars on and that we just recently dropped some bombs on a whole bunch of little kids.
I don’t think the torture of those three men is anywhere as bad as one of our troops murdering one innocent civilian during combat. I don’t think their torture warrants 24-hour news coverage month after month with no coverage at all of the war. This kind of reporting just panders to the 9/11 truthers and other wing nuts obsessed with Cheney and completely ignores the war. To bad people weren’t as obsessed with him when he was in office, when it could have made a difference.
Gee, wonder what’s going to be on MSNBC tonight! Fuck the troops, fuck the CIA agents, fuck their contractors, fuck their mothers.
I must say I’m inspired by what you are writing. Not seeing the forest for a hollow tree you have your head inside is truly a liability to one having an opinion.
Counting actual deaths of innocents, numbers of ruined lives, numbers of people plundered by US corporations, going back a hundred years and more, number of democratically elected governments overthrown for the benefit of wall st.
Why isn’t School of the Americas on the top of the news? What about the fact that every war is started with the connivance of the government? Mexican War? Abe Lincoln’s “Spot Resolutions”. Spanish-American War? Yellow Journalism and dubious evidence for a mine in the harbor. WWI? The Germans ran an ad in the NYTimes declaring their intent to sink the Lusitania, which Churchill had filled with ammo, not hiding the fact. WWII? The Pearl Harbor event was known in advance. Vietnam? It’s now declassified, at the Gulf of Tonkin Incident the guests of honor never showed up. We sank them in absentia.
And how about this? The Pentagon accrues more cash than all other militaries combined, but can’t stop a big lumbering airliner from hitting its headquarters WITH TWO HOURS NOTICE?? Yeah, right.
you forgot the Revolutionary War…. that was total connivance of that evil slave owner / baby killer George Washington, to rebel against the People’s Comrade King George III. You also didn’t talk about WWII in Europe, how Roosevelt was secretly sucking Mussolini’s cock in the back seat of a Volkswagen Bus made by slaves at Auschwitz. You also forgot Korea (no wonder they call it the forgotten war, even righteous fire and brimstone peace activists can’t properly work it into their routine), where the evil United Nations and its globalized blue smurf hats conspired to overthrow Dear Leader Kim, the People’s Democratic Representative for Love and Kitty Cats.
but you know, its hard to remember all that stuff some times, with all the lies Dick Cheney is beaming into our heads through the evil NPR subliminal messaging protocol.
I get the distinct impression you are skeptical about some of my historicities.
Would you like to be specific about which ones you dispute, or are you content to appear as if you don’t base your posts on proven historical facts in the public record?
You have in effect, Madame, shown contempt, not for me, but for the public record itself.
From the tone of your post, it seems your thought processes stem from, are generated by, public sentiment, rather than factual evidence, and emotion is at the core of all your decision making. Is that a fair assessment?
is there anyone you don’t want to fuck?
i wouldn’t give up on liberal philosophy just because of a few kooky things people write on the internet. besides a lot of these folks would not describe themselves as ‘liberals’.
The Bush cronies are idiots and their idiocy is shining on for all to see and discriminate against… GO FOOLS!!
To restore trust in our judicial system both at home and abroad, the criminals must be prosecuted. To look the other way is to be an acomplis afterthe fact.
“Ronald Reagan laid his intelligence on the table almost immediately after his retaliatory attack against Tripoli following the Libyan attack of 1986 on the La Belle Disco in Berlin,” Bearden said. “Reagan let it be known that we had the Libyan codes and did this before he felt even a twinge of heat from the public or Congress because it was the right thing to do.”
Jct: And we know that the information he was so good to present was false. Inserting it in Libyan communications and getting donkey Reagan to bomb Khadafi’s daughter was one of the Mossad’s greatest coups. Sad to see these so-called experts repeat the same standard lies we’ve known about for years.
Yeah Reagan, he showed the information before he killed Khadafi’s kid. But he never apologized when he found out he’d been played for a fool. Besides, America hasn’t apologized for framing Khadafi for the Lockerbie plane crash and imposing UN sanctions until Khadafi confessed to the frame-up. I still feel like puking every time I hear them point out that Khadafi pleaded guilty (without mentioning he wasn’t guilty and only because of UN sanctions on his country.)
A little bit of reality to choke on.
Why, I do believe Dickhead just got bitch-slapped!
Here is the biggest problem I see for Mr. Bush and & Mr. Cheney. The truth ALWAYS comes out.
Right now, the Bush/Cheney fans are still stuck on stubborn.
In this instance when it becomes widely known that they’d made us more prone to attack, they (Bush/Cheney) will have no defenders left, as it will be too unpopular a position to take to defend them. Even “stuck on stubborn” has a breaking point. That point usually always comes when you have no, or too few friends left.
God save Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney when that happens.
God save Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney when that happens.
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Well, at the speed at which “the truth” comes out, they will both be dead when it does, so it won’t matter.
And I would hope that the Floating Cloud Being would not “save” either one of these repugnant international war criminals should “the truth” seep out before they die.
Nothing is going to happen to either one of these war criminals. Obushma will guarantee that considering he served as their accomplice as a senator (see his voting record). Speaking of his voting record, the Obamabots didn’t want to hear about his voting record during the campaign. They only wanted to hear “hope” and “change we can believe in” manure. Now some are expressing buyer’s remorse. Tough luck, Suckers. You had two other credible and truly progressive choices: Nader and McKinney. But you didn’t have the intelligence or foresight to vote for either of them. You stayed in the “Dem Team” rut like all the other sheep and then expect “Change?” Duh.
“Tough luck, Suckers. You had two other credible and truly progressive choices: Nader and McKinney.”
Well, to say Nader leaves women in the dust is an understatement. It is too bad, but it’s reality, so he would be a horrible president for many of us who are women or care about women. At times it’s almost as if he detests women.
giselle, i suppose next you are going to tell me that patrick fi… i mean bill clinto.. i mean uhm.. err.. john edwar.. ,,,, JFK… martin luther ki… oh forget it
go hillary!
Different matter, but thanks for taking note. I’m not talking about personal weakness and foibles re. a powerful man and the women in his life. I’m talking about social policy and the status of women here and across the world, and Nader has been clear in saying this is not a useful priority in his scheme. Maybe it’s that profound oversight that had him acting so angry and discombobulated this time around.
so you are saying that you believe in a heaven and a hell, not in universal salvation….
Aww — Grandpa Dick - that old guy who used to scare you all the time when you were little - is now just that old guy in a wheelchair now, wetting his pants all over the place. Give’m a break!
Like maybe install him in one of those retirement jails (high security in his case) ’til the end of his days. Have mercy! - - on us all.
Cheney is one “Dangerous” old geezer
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