Doctor: We don’t need to invade countries to find terrorists
Published: June 1, 2009
Updated 7 months ago
Following the murder of Dr. George Tiller by an anti-abortion extremist, his friend, Dr. Warren Hern of Boulder, CO, may be the only doctor left in the United States who performs late-term abortions.
Hern told MSNBC on Monday, “This was not the act of a lone, deranged gunman. This is a result of thirty-five years of relentless and merciless anti-abortion harassment and violence and intimidation. … This is the absolutely predictable consequence of that kind of mindless harassment and fanaticism. … The anti-abortion people will stop at nothing, including assassination, to impose their will on other people.”
With his voice choking up, Hern said of Tiller, “He was a wonderful person who was very dedicated and this shouldn’t happen. … Dr. Tiller’s crime was that he helped women, and the man who killed him tried to kill an idea. The idea is freedom.”
“We don’t have to invade other countries to find the terrorists,” Hern concluded. “They’re here killing doctors who do abortions. The main difference between the American anti-abortion movement and the Taliban is about 8000 miles.”
Hern’s depiction of Tiller’s murder as domestic terrorism may draw fresh attention to a controversial Department of Homeland Security report (pdf) issued in April. That report offended many conservatives by suggesting that political positions such as opposition to abortion had historically been exploited by white supremacists and militia groups as a mean of recruiting members and promoting violent acts.
Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele told Fox News’s Sean Hannity at the time, “This is the height of insult here. … I mean to segment out Americans who dissent from this administration, to segment out conservatives in this country who have a different philosophy or view from this administration, and labeling them as terrorists … while you refuse to call the terrorists — the real terrorists — terrorists, to me it’s the height of insult.”
Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly — who has himself spent the last four years singling Tiller out as a “baby killer” — was similarly indignant. He called the report “unnecessary” and told Glenn Beck that it was concocted by “far left” liberals at DHS who were ignoring al Qaeda in their haste to pin the terrorist label on ordinary conservatives.
This video is from MSNBC’s News Live, broadcast June 1, 2009.
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When do we waterboard Bill O’Reilly, offer up Right to Life for extraordinary rendition and jail contributors to Catholic charities.
A terrorist’s a terrorist, right?
The scary thing is how close right wing Christian fundamentalists and the Taliban/al-Qaeda are in their views: anti-woman, anti-abortion, anti-evolution, anti-science.
Both insist on governing human behavior based on absurd fairy tales written more than 1,000 years ago.
Lord, please deliver us from your servants . . . .
I stumbled across a really cool comic yesterday online. The comic part is unimportant, what’s important is what it said (and I can’t find the url where I saw it so I’m gonna have to guesstimate a bit but you’ll get the gist):
“If you could turn water into wine or feed 100 people with 2 fishes and 2 loaves of bread 2000 years ago, you’d be considered a god and people would write about you and worship you.
If you could turn water into wine of feed 100 people with 2 fishes and 2 loaves of bread 400-500 years ago, you’d be considered a witch and burned at the stake.
Which just goes to show you: timing is everything.”
stupid typo, 3rd paragraph. My apologies.
Here it is, I found it (accidentally; i stumbled across *another* page and recognized it’s style, erased everything after the original url and let Firefox bring up my history from that site)
http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson336.html
“If you pulled off a miracle about 2000 years ago — something like raising the dead or turning water to wine — they’d be ready to call you a prophet and make you their leader.
If you pulled off a miracle in the dark ages or in the late 1600s in Salem, Massachusetts, you’d be called a witch and they’d be ready to drown you or burn you at the stake.
So, it really is true what they say; there’s a time and place for everything.”
hey bob, you ever heard of Countess of Bathory?
“”accounts of the Countess bathing in the blood of virgins in order to retain her youth.”"
This is pagan witchcraft. This is what Christianity stopped. Sure religion has tons of problems, but do you really think humans have the moral code and civility to behave without a “god” ? I don’t. We torture and kill innocents as it stands now. Our freaking elite leaders do this, while they starve the poor and make medicine unattainable.
Don’t throw the jesus baby out with the bathwater. Check Huffpost’s front page attack on Buddhism today.
Religion by any other name…
Agree Natty, the world would be a much happier and safer place if everyone lined up each sunday to pray allegiance to your story of supernatural, eroticism, death, salvation and omnipotence. Nobody would have an opposing thought, nobody would be left to indoctrinate, nobody would be left to kill.
I thank your god for stopping the pagan gods from sacrificing virgins so that they may be deflowered post nuptials…. or sooner if I had my way.
natty,
natty, natty, natty…
Just because you CALL this misguided psychopath’s (e.g. Countess of Bathory) practices “pagan witchcraft” doesn’t mean you have the definition of “pagan” or “witchcraft” correct. In fact you don’t have the definition even remotely close. You’ve lumped two terms together and knowwingly/unknowingly created a shock value for the mis-informed cowans, and christians.
Paganism (from Latin paganus, meaning “country dweller, rustic”)
Is planting “pinus seeds” on a full moon killing people? Perhaps you need to work at a plant nursery.
Witchcraft on the other hand really isn’t a very well agreed upon term even by witches. Because there are many definitions of this word, it depends on WHO’S version of the word your using.
Christians are taught to lump together satanism with witchcraft. They don’t truly have an accurate definition of either one. Being uninformed creates great fear though.
Wiccan’s sometimes call themselves witches. Nothing wrong with that, then again, calling yourself a witch doesn’t make you one.
But ask witches, “are you a satanist”, and you will find they want nothing to do with satanism.
Many times satanists, really don’t care if they get lumped in with witches, because the witches unwittingly provide civil rights which extend to them. Since they worship themselves. By the way your stated religion can be satanism in the US ARMY. I know many satanists and none of them are psychopathic killers.
There have been more deaths on this planet because of christian beliefs, than there ever will be from wiccan’s, witches, satanists.
You note that I didn’t start lumping Catholics, protestants, baptists, and the Waco Texas cult together? (But I am sure someone will disagree)
Not to let Islam get away from the bloodbath…
Probably one of top worst on earth right next to christian.
Then again, many people who call themselves. “christian” are not by their own definition “christian.”
Forget about religion.
If you really want to find and label dangerous cults.
START HERE
http://www.neopagan.net/ABCDEF.html
Fill out the chart with your favorite organization. Perhaps starting with corporate media. By definition, corporate media is a dangerous cult.
For the record: I didn’t get my religious knowledge from Huffington post.
Natty,
How ironic that you bring up the Countess of Bathory. She was a sadistic serial killer who tortured her victims then made sure her they had proper christian burials!!! (Torture was wide spread during medieval times. And it seems to be making a comeback thanks to US.)
The blood baths were rumors - no eye witness accounts were documented during her trials (1610-1611). There was no tie to paganism.
And Christianity didn’t STOP paganism…it PLAGIARIZED it from Egyptian mythology! Take a look at the parallels between Jesus and Horus (http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5b.htm).
Even in the old testament (Hosea 13:4) it states God came from Egypt:
Original Literal Translation: “And I [am] Jehovah thy God from the land of Egypt, And a God besides Me thou dost not know, And a Saviour — there is none save Me.”
King James version: “…I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.”
And you think that “humans have the moral code and civility to behave” WITH a god? “As long as there has been one true God, there has been killing in his name.”
This world would be a better place if everyone believed in reincarnation and karma.
Hey, natty, you ever hear of the Spanish Inquisition? Or the Spanish conquest of the New World accompanied by their in-house priests, ready to absolve them of their crimes against humanity? And I did specify I was talking about fundamentalists, now didn’t I?
A nation of retards that babbles endlessly about 9/11 and Britney spears or whatever while murdereing hundreds of thousands of civilians is a terrorist. Watching American Idol with that stupid look on your face makes you a terrorist, you don’t need to be a Christian in America to be a terrorist, you just need to pay your taxes. Every American is a terrorist. Go cry about your economy.
Let’s face it, extremeist nutjobs like the Christian retard who murdered the doctor are harder to find than the Taliban or Al Qaeda, and we know there’s hardly any of them. Get real, the U.S. Army is far more of a terrorist than any of them.
the “christian retard” that you mentiona are far more numerous than you realize.
I always figured that Satan was an asshole and I’m happy to report that I was not incorrect!! Now I’m beginning to think that most Christians are assholes as well, could it be???
There is no god. (Ergo, there is no Satan.) Get over it.
Remember the “we have to fight them over there so we won’t have to fight them here [in our own backyards]? Well, guess what? They are already here….in the form of our own government, e.g. legislators, judges and most importantly, police. I had an incident with a police officer a few weeks ago and the minute I mentioned the Constitution, you would have thought I had converted to Satanism right before his very eyes. The fact is, this is already a done deal. These “peace officers” have no idea what the Constitution says. They don’t even know the laws (many of which are in complete contempt of the Constitution).
I posted my incident on another website and 90% of the respondents were police officers and they said everything from, “my badge and my gun demand respect….we have every reason to arrest, search, confiscate anything.”…to other comments like (and this I heard time after time)…”your ‘rights’…get off your high horse and just comply…if you just comply you have no reason to fear police.” Three of our “peace officers” even said, [paraphrasing] “you should have been tazed, beaten, etc. for questioning authority.” I was outraged about the “just comply” mentality frrom most people - even non-police. Comply with unConstitutional search and seizure? In this incident, I had nothing to hide, but regardless, it’s the principle of the matter. Why in the world would I be subject to unlawful searches for a light out on my license plate? Ridiculous!
I used to think the American people were a people versed in rights and principle. I’ve lost all faith. Now they are these gloriously deluded drones who spout, just “comply, comply, comply.” Makes me wonder if 1984 or Brave New World aren’t exactly right. What this country used to be about is now in a lost world and continues to be a disgrace to all that is good and just in this world. We seriously need a revolution in this country to remind these overpaid, overweght, bottomfeeders of tax-payer dollars that their days of preying on the hand that feeds them is OVER. As my mother used to say, don’t s*** where you eat. But unfortunately, this will never happen, I saw more of an uprising when the weatherman broke in to Dancing with the Stars to report that tornadoes were hitting our city. An uprising will NEVER EVER happen in this country because most Americans are of the “just comply” mentatlity. There’s no changing this horrific display of “authority.” In my opinion, you just need to just get out. Move…go somewhere, anywhere where you don’t have to fear a beating or worse just for pointing out the Consitution.
natty
**This is pagan witchcraft. This is what Christianity stopped. Sure religion has tons of problems, but do you really think humans have the moral code and civility to behave without a “god” ? I don’t. We torture and kill innocents as it stands now. Our freaking elite leaders do this, while they starve the poor and make medicine unattainable.**
Don’t throw the jesus baby out with the bathwater. Check Huffpost’s front page attack on Buddhism today.”
That’s child’s play compared to what the Christians did in the inquisition.
Identifying a witch during the inquisition was much like the way the military identifies terrorists in Iraq, people that have a grudge hand them over.
If you were suspected of being a witch, you simply were and you would be tortured severely with fire, water, the rack, and these expanding clamps that they would insert in your mouth and crank up till your bones began to crack and beyond (or in any and all other orifices).
You would be expected to confess at your leisure with the additional requirement to provide a mandatory list of acquaintances that were also alleged witches.
Upon the receipt of your confession, the torture would end and then you would be mercifully killed.
Unfortunately, the mercy didn’t begin till you actually died because it was a slow and very painful death. You and all the ‘witches’ you turned in under duress would be taken to a hillside and bound to very tall stakes, your feet about 5 or 6 feet off the ground and a fire lit and tended around the clock beneath each of you.
The fire would be too far beneath you to cause ignition so instead you would be slow-roasted for 5 or 6 days with an invited audience present.
Your feet would begin to cook slowly first and of course you would be shrieking continuously in agony, something you’d expect to make the audience a little squeamish but quite simply mitigated by indoctrination.
You see, the clerics, or whatever they were, taught their flock in Sunday school that because witches were actually servants of Satan, they were gifted with the power to feel no pain and their cries were purely sociopathic in nature and to pay them no heed, which was widely believed.
One other way you might be accused could be if you were seen alone away from the crowds and a thunderstorm blew in, you’d be blamed for conjuring it. The only prerequisite to be a suspect really, was to be female or simply annoy someone.
Fear of women and their subsequent eradication was rivaled only by the hatred for Jews in early Christendom.
The author writes:
Like witches, the Jews of Europe were often accused of incredible crimes, the most prevalent of which has come to be known as the ‘blood libel’-born of the belief that Jews req’d. the blood of Christians (generally newborn) for use in a variety of rituals. Throughout the middle ages, Jews were regularly accused of murdering Christian infants, a crime for which they were duly despised. It was well-known that all Jews menstruated, male and female alike, and required the blood of a Christian to replenish their lost stores. They also suffered from hemorrhoids and oozing sores as a punishment for killing Christ……Christian blood was also said to ease the labor pains of any Jewess fortunate enough to have it spread on parchment and clenched in her fists.
It was common knowledge that all Jews were born blind and that, when smeared on the eyes, Christian blood granted them the faculty of sight.
This reflects to me the results of this kind of holy-roller invective in the tragic events of this week with the murder of Dr. Tiller and the records of this arcane nonsense was also handy for the likes of Hitler and other foamers in re-educating the tragically ignorant and fearful.
Christianity: gotta take your hat off to an belief system with that kind of providence. Not.
What’s the difference if you kill a kid at 2 months or just drown em minutes after they’re born?
Seriously - what’s the difference?
Here’s an interesting operation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NVSrDWnxV4